| IVOD_ID |
168097 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168097 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T09:57:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T10:08:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106c76fd0cb30c823a6fe62ad2ff7c6948154047e563c2ae1609f2f941b50267ca495ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:45 - 10:08:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就「清明連續假期疏運方案規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、審查委員許智傑等22人擬具「引水法第六條條文修正草案」案。【本次會議僅進行詢答】【4月1日及2日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席那請我們那個部長陳部長好請陳部長部長好部長好我想部長跟我一樣來自台中來自地方那地方民眾的心聲我們應該有共同的感受那我跟部長提到 |
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我的感受 民眾的感受就是我們的罰單啊 |
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這個開例這個越開越多那事故的死傷這個案件並沒有明顯的下降人行地利的這樣的一個惡名還是無法抹除我這邊簡單的一個統計資料保證你看一下那我們在民國111年的時候 |
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我們的交通發展開了1385萬件我們的事故也達到47萬件 |
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整個罰單的開立是整個往上升到我們去年罰單開到1631萬件死傷事故的案件來到了53.6萬件整個統計 |
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事實就告訴我們你罰單開得越多你的交通事故並沒有減少那這樣的一個過程我們就發覺到其中的一個狀況我們的整個罰單的罰款收入依照我們目前這個高度級交通違規罰款收入分配及運用辦法 |
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那麼多的一個交通罰款收入75%是來分配到我們各地方政府那24%分配給我們的處罰機關1%結繳國庫那我們在這樣的一個罰站分配給地方75%的一個部分我們只有 |
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12%要求他分配給地方政府的正義派要來強制助於交通安全的改善 |
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在這樣的一個現象我相信部長來自地方也了解你認為這樣的分配合理嗎取之於我們全民的發展收入那麼多的罰款收入你其中分配給地方75%之後你只強制12%要來助於交通安全的改善這樣的分配合理嗎 部長 |
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請問一下我認為相當不合理我認為相當不合理所以這個部分其實我們有提要修法因為說實在話交通的罰單的目標跟目的是希望交通能夠更安全更安全啊不是為了罰款 要罰款啊應該要放在交通安全相關的這個部門看要怎麼樣去改善交通這個部分我們已經有提出修法我們希望提高到百分之三十 |
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我也提出修法我在這個會期一擔任一就任我就提出修法為什麼要提出修法我們來看我們現在我以六都直轄市為例子你看從台北、新北、桃園、台中、台南、高雄我們分配給地方的金額 |
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台北24億多 新北24億 桃園17億 台中20億 台南11億 高雄16億多我們目前啊 以目前分配辦法 強制用在交通安全改善 12% |
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分別只有差不多兩億元左右的這樣的經費我提出的修法我認為75%給地方地方的75%應該就要來做交通安全的改善你認為合理嗎 |
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報告委員我認為應該要全部放在這個交通安全的改善我認為很合理那你認為是百分之百還是百分之七十我們目前還是剛剛你所說你要修法的幾趴三十趴對兩個數據跟委員報告 |
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實際上地方所得到的不是只有75%以直轄市來說他們得到99%所有的罰款他得到99%那我們目前提啦因為根據是12我們希望至少要提到30不過我們也很歡迎也很感謝委員在提出能夠更高的版本人權經濟交通安全 |
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既然這些罰單都是我們人民他辛苦的血汗錢不得不來繳罰款那他因為違反交通安全而被罰款這些款項拿來做交通安全的改善是理所當然而且也是一定必然的嘛對不對 |
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好 那我們從這個比例來看如果今天各地方政府有這樣的一個專款這樣的一個費用所以交通的一個改善我相信人民的感受也會比較好是 沒錯那整個交通安全提升在硬體工程方面的改善速度就可以加快很多 |
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對啊 我相信你來自地方現在各地方政府常常就把這個罰款的收入納入他財政缺口變成小金庫對 變成那個小金庫你各地方政府的財政缺口用人民罰款的費用作為他的財政缺口的挹注變成小金庫而不用再交通安全的改善所以我才會就任之後就提出修法 |
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希望這樣的款項直接用於交通安全 道路安全的改善好不好 我們一起來努力讓這個修法能夠通過好 謝謝部長接下來我來請我們這個開設公司我們曾董事長我想這兩天 應該這個禮拜 |
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我們真的還蠻辛苦的啦連續的開會剛剛我們有委員也提到光這個禮拜從327、328、330包括昨天連我們在新烏日站那個旁邊還有 |
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還會有這個火災的發生而且是我們台鐵的協力廠商的一個戰車廠的一個問題產生火災造成列車的延誤汙點跟安全變成我們台鐵的指標那我請問曾董事長 |
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當初過去我們對台鐵這樣的百年成科我們覺得用公司化的治理能夠來改善台鐵的一個文化那三二七這樣的一個事件 |
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5.2萬分鐘整個改革整個台鐵的要求3月4月你說要求我們台鐵要認真研讀行車規章要防止路線電車線的故障你越要求越是重點 |
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結果就月出包那整個這樣的過程連續一個禮拜時間一直發生那我問鄭董事長你是交通的專業你的專業大家都不以置疑那你知道台鐵一年了吧 今天啊各位不到一年九個月期待你的改革你認為公司的話真的可以解決台鐵目前的一個狀況嗎 |
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我想台鐵現在這幾次的發包這幾次的出包呢完全就是一個SOP沒有落實那換句話說譬如說像3月17號這個部分的話呢應該在這個集電工的這個檢修方面呢一定要檢修但是呢它沒有完全落實檢修另外一個司機員呢遇到了這個我們的這個真空電路器啊壞掉的時候啊 |
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應該要求要馬上停車檢查都沒有說SOP在做嗎那我就告訴副市長你們SOP給我的都非常OK都非常好你們SOP都做得很好啊但是人員沒有確實去依這個SOP去進行嘛 |
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很明顯而且最重要的我以旅客我作為一個台鐵的一個旅客的一個感受你們事故發生你們的通報你們對困在車廂裡面的旅客還有繼續要可能要去救我們台鐵的旅客你們整個通報的機制都不完整 |
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通報提示整個後續的一個辦理我只感受到不然你就退票就好了你就是退票就好了這樣的一個惡性循環一直在道歉 |
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檢討 抱歉 檢討這樣的過程啊 所有可以來解決是 我想 謝委員抱歉不是能夠解決問題我們現在最重要的是針對這個問題怎麼來做像以這個case我們現在來做的話就是說我們要強化我們整個應變的機制 |
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應變的機制說在整個有一個小組那麼在行動中心裡面協助他把我們的整個後續的車班的這個規劃重新調整調整以後的資訊很快的能夠到報告給這個車站跟列車上的行動的列車長讓旅客知道所以分農車長 |
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希望用你的專業真的可以徹底的改善台鐵啦讓你可以重拾對台鐵的信心啦不然你所有人都跑去搞台鐵啦連我就不敢寫你台鐵啦 |