| IVOD_ID |
168096 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168096 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T09:45:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T09:57:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106c2deca0d17fcc89b4e62ad2ff7c6948154047e563c2ae1609e0df1a73c0e558f55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李昆澤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:32 - 09:57:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就「清明連續假期疏運方案規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、審查委員許智傑等22人擬具「引水法第六條條文修正草案」案。【本次會議僅進行詢答】【4月1日及2日二天一次會】） |
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好 我們請部長 |
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委員長部長好最近國人對於高鐵漲價的問題甚有疑慮那對於台鐵的安全的狀況也深表擔心那高鐵的漲價當然它有一個調整的機制那每年的四月當然是由交通部來訂定票價的一個基準然後高鐵來做調整票價與否的決定然後再送董事會 |
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如果同意之後最後是要送到立法院來核備那當然在2026高鐵的一個基本匯率如果按照推算他從台北到高雄大概有290元的一個漲價空間那這個問題我們在過去我在交通委員會對於高鐵10多年來多次提到漲價的議題的時候我就有一個中心的原則 |
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就是高鐵的問題是在運量不在於票價那我們看到高鐵的旅客總能吃 |
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逐年的增加2024年的總人次啊達到7825萬那2025呢上漲到8207萬高鐵每天搭乘的日均人次啊在2025年的時候是22萬人次左右那2026 2月啊已經提升到24萬人次那高鐵的營收啊也提升了2024年是531億 |
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那2025年提升到546億那我請教一下部長對於高鐵漲價的這個問題你有什麼看法好 向委員報告我們目前高鐵它的這個基本費率交通部已經有訂定了它確實還有可以漲價的這個空間那不過它到底要漲或不漲這個由高鐵公司來決定那我目前聽石總市長的說明應該目前公司還沒有提出這樣子的案子 |
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那詳細的部分請董事長說明一下好 謝謝委員的關心我想每一年基本這個票價的基準都會進行檢討依照物價指數不過長期以來高鐵目前是都沒有提出漲價的方案尤其是我們現在預量攀升以及我們現在目前的重點是在新車的導入 |
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那今年7月出場 8月到港 明年中會即將開始分批上路因此我也多次的宣布 宣示就是我們會在新車成功導入上路之後我們才會提出票價的檢討那現在旅客的人次增加 營收也增加那今年年底 我們現在原本有34組的高鐵的這些車輛 |
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那在年底預計12組的車輛會再進來12組通通在年底都會進來嗎12組他在今年中會陸續到港之後還要進行相關的測試到明年完成測試在明年中開始才會分批上路完全上路要到2028年 |
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所以到2028年來上路所以票價調整的議題在2028年之前沒有漲價的問題是不是來說明我們目前是以新車成功上路導入之後我們要開始檢討票價的問題而票價的問題特別是要處理我們既有34組車輛的這個太久換行好 謝謝董事長我現在再請教陳部長對於台鐵的問題 |
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台鐵每天有66萬到70萬的人次來搭乘對於台鐵旅客的準時送達目的地以及他的安全的維護是我們交通部跟台鐵公司最基本最重要的責任那我們看到3月27號發生了急電工跟電車線的脫落的議題我記得在2014年 |
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台鐵的集電供跟電車線也發生過嚴重的脫落以及相關的故障問題我記得當時的台鐵局長是周永輝局長謝謝周局長在當時經過我們的督促全面的一個更新那經過10多年現在又出現問題這個造成列車霧點20小時 |
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這個台鐵的形象真的是被受打擊然後在3月30號芙蓉往大理站的方向車輛沿邊坡滑落這個真的讓我們嚇了一大跳這個想到2021年4月2號太魯閣的這種工程車滑落造成重大傷亡的事件明天是週年紀念了不知道 |
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大理有很多廳公廟,有地下有保庇那個滑落真的是問題會非常的嚴重那其實運安會現在也立案併案調查不管是3月13號3月30號啊認為這已經不是偶發事件這是系統性的問題啊是台鐵公司安全系統性的問題啊部長來說明一下我們你有沒有掌握狀況啊 |
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報告委員您所說的這三件事我們都有掌握狀況而且在發生的同時我們也跟董事長跟總經理密切在聯繫看怎麼樣協助讓我們的旅客能夠順利的來通行那另外針對後續的檢討的部分其實我們對於三二七現在不只是集電供之亂不只是電車線之亂 |
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還有吊車場之亂吊車場造成這種車輛的互相的撞擊造成嚴重的損害車輛甚至直接衝上站台 |
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這都是系統性的安全問題你們有提出什麼改善的方案嗎或是調查什麼時候會出來我們針對3月27號的調查已經出來了而且有提出幾項方案第一就是說我們SOP不足的部分標準作業流程不足的部分我們要檢討那第二我們針對設備到底有沒有問題部長口頭的檢討民眾已經無法接受了 |
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我看台鐵的吊車事故2023年有6件2024年有8件2025年去年有10件今年到現在為止已經有5件 |
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我們的人力是否應該要增補相關的人力我們的吊車人員的訓練是不是要加強我們的教練制度就是他受完訓之後也必須要有資深的這種教練來陪伴至少兩個月然後他才能去獨立作業還有我們的對於員工的照顧是否足夠我們應該啊對於 |
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員工的機率措施也要加強啊例如說這種無責任事故的獎勵或是提高夜點費讓我們的工作人員有好的這種作業的狀態來部長那你整理說明一下好 報告委員其實您說的這個夜點費的部分我們已經做了那另外針對您剛剛所提的每一項人力夠不夠教育夠不夠然後他的這個教練制度做得好不好我認為台鐵公司現在即刻來 請台鐵公司說明一下台鐵公司說明一下 |
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這個委員跟您報告那在這個教育訓練方面我們現在積極在做那剛才您提的這些我們發生這個不管是3月27號或者3月30號吊車場這個問題其實都是人為的似乎 |
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SOP都有那但是沒有操作所以針對這一點的話我們現在3月26號開始的已經有一個巡查每個九五運安處還有相關主管單位然後到各處去就這個SOP的落實度那如果沒有落實的話那主管還有這個人員董事長我們現在台鐵長期的人力不足也是一個嚴重的問題我們薪資的競爭力差然後職員的結構老化 |
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而且少子化也造成社會的整體的一個缺工那有經驗的熟練的這些員工逐漸的退休新進的人也補不進來而且新進人員的離職率是非常的高那人力短缺我們應該要導入新興的科技來減少作業的一個負擔 |
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不管是遠端的控制系統或是群島的關閉裝置等等的自動控制系統防止這種導入車輛防止碰撞的一個技術建立自動煞停的機制還有我們電車線 |
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這種環境風險的感知方面也必須要加強啊不是裝了之後等到他壞了再來換新我們有沒有這種智慧鐵道的監控系統來導入AI的影像辨識針對這些急電工或者是電車線老化的現象我們能夠及時的去做維修來說明一下 |
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各位報告事實上我們在人力不足的方面我們先用是從基層的一些主管等人員譬如說電車線的處理電路上的公路上的機路的我們用鼓勵一些從業人員用各地方直接去招募而不是由總公司這邊在招募這個成果在過去半年內有相當的成效我們先希望把基層的員工先把它補齊 |
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那至於說在智慧化這方面呢我們也陸續在但是這一部分的話恐怕我們要再晚一點再做因為現在我們最重要的是把教育訓練整個60度的把它做好現在那個鐵道局也有導入這種鐵道的智慧監控系統 |
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那我們針對這種集電工或電車線它的這種張力的異常電車線的張力異常或是設備的鬆脫或者是相關的結構變形我們有一些前期徵兆要來進行監測不是等到有故障的再來做維修然後一故障就造成 |
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霧點達到快20個小時這對旅客的行程衝擊非常大跟委員報告確實這在用這種AI這個技術我們有一部分的在譬如說在東岸這邊的話我們已經中華電信那麼有一個系統已經在做這個影像的辨識那像這個我們也都會逐漸的來擴展到其他的地方 |
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部長要全力的督促不管是在清明節相關交通的輸運而且是高鐵的服務效率以及台鐵的安全狀況都必須做一個精準的掌握在過去在連假或是清明節的假期常常會發生特別的這樣的一個交通異常的事故請部長要全力的督促以上謝謝委員 |