| IVOD_ID |
168046 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168046 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-31T14:30:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-31T15:01:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/107bfa5c42886b5fd4e8d5edac43f3c522f7b5da9823539196d82b0db3b768455539fcaadf5c76f55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃仁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:20 - 15:01:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「要求行政院院長卓榮泰即刻核准各部會動支業經通過之新興民生計畫預算共計718億元，並依法編列『警察人員人事條例』及軍人志願役待遇調整等法律之相關預算，以維護國家整體利益，確保人民基本福祉，並回復憲政體制之正常運作。」是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月27日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝院長有請我們行政院長麻煩請卓院長備選請園民會主委請園民會主委備選謝謝主席黃委員好 |
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從早上已經體會到就是院長在目前的執行回應給所有的立委已經有相當的誠意這應該的我是異於肯定那當然待會針對原住民議題我相信你也可以聽得進去那目前來講 |
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到現在從3月14號我們賴總統在出席台灣總統執行30週年以民主任性的研討會全國的原住民到目前都還在憤怒那如何化解 |
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中央總統行政院還是要坦白從寬要老實以對我們針對這個至此的時候是總統就說台灣是一個主權獨立的國家 |
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國民政府只將台灣當成反攻大陸的一個跳板那更直言國民黨對待台灣人民比日本殖民還要差本席執意身為國家元首卻引用日本帝國的時期正式宣傳框架來描述歷史 |
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那此时此举不请失格也恐加剧的社会对立那在此呼吁国家当选的面临的是什么是能源经济与国际局势等多重的一个挑战 |
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政府應該將心力放在解決民生的問題而非是片段歷史作為政治一個攻防的一個攻勁那民進黨不是才說要修補裂痕團結台灣嗎 |
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結果總統帶頭用歷史當武器把歷史當選舉工具這樣的一個政治格局實在令人失望對我們全國的原住民來講情何以堪我待會兒我講從歷史的角度我們反觀看一看 |
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作為一個長年向台灣原住民族歷史學學習的原住民的後代我們也是一個後代之一聽到賴總統這種冷血的一個評論本席感到憤怒也傷心族人也傷心在此要嚴正地指控賴總統這種說法是對我們原住民 |
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祖先辈抵抗日本殖民者历史的无知更是对日本人所杀掉的原住民祖先辈的不敬和侮辱无知更是对日本人所杀掉的原住民祖先辈不敬的一个非常不尊重过去院长所谓你们知不知道日清曾经用什么 |
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殺光 搶光 燒光的傷光陣色毀掉了 摧毀我們的部落掠奪了我們所有的土地這樣的一個歷史的傷痛我們從另外一個角度來看 |
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我們過去台灣所屠殺的原住民的一個事實第一個太魯閣戰爭約六百到一千人死亡霧社事件約六百到八百人原住民的死亡 |
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第三 第二次霧社事件從兩百到五百個人死亡第四 李潘戰爭整體約數千人到兩萬人死亡尤其是屠殺台灣人將近六十萬賴總統你對這樣的一個被屠殺的幾十萬人對得起這樣的一個我們真正的屬於台灣人嗎院長 等一下 主委你再回應 |
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你要回答我請委員能夠理解對歷史我們只有了解歷史才能從了解真相之後從各個角度去寬恕去原諒過去歷史帶來的各種災難 |
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台灣這塊土地從荷蘭人、西班牙人到滿清、到日本、到國民政府承受了太多太多的苦難不同族群、不同世代的人民有不同的記憶 |
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他們的記憶都存在他們的生命當中所以總統從歷史的角度來說出台灣歷代以來所有的遭遇代表的一種記憶代表的一種對歷史追求真相我們現在重要的當然這是你的論述 |
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如果從歷史角度應該先講台灣的主人原住民過去傷害被傷害被殺害的被殺光的被搶光的被裸獵的這樣的一個歷史傷害應該呈現在國人面前應該總統要講我們原住民是最受傷害的然後你先抬到台灣來那把歷史根據再來做一個係數 |
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這才是一個對我們原住民這當然也是歷史過程中的一部分我原住民記得我說過原住民是台灣過去的主人現在台灣是我們共同的家園我希望我們更能尊重原住民的未來的發展既然政府要這樣的對原住民尊重可是他們現在的生活咧依然到現在沒有任何的進步對地方的部落的發展包含任何的產業經濟到目前 |
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政府對原住民的照顧是有增加的院長你看得清楚到目前沒有進步反而是退步因為太有政治手段在裡面參差了我們原住民的議題我們原住民非常善良而且也配合國家整個推動的政策 |
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他不是沒有聲音今天我們身為民意代表我們要廣納全國的原住民的民意來這個地方對院長給你報告希望往後希望你們在執政的過程對原住民的尊重包含歷史的定位包含現在要帶我們怎麼樣如何把我們的生活過得更好諸位 |
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陳志偉你承認這歷史的傷痛我想這樣我想這總統相關的話言他是希望社會來正視這個危險時期我們所受的人權的侵害我們最主要是從中記起教訓 |
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要珍惜今天得來不易的民主憲政的這個體制那院裡面我們也透過轉型正義的匯報來督導落實戰後原住民的轉型正義我現在回答你我現在回答我是這些是不是事實歷史過去裡面所發生的剛剛我念的幾項被殺害的是不是事實 |
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你回答就好了對我們從中就是要記起這個教訓當然危險時代總是有一些有這樣的事情發生過我們是要記起這個教訓所謂記起教訓是怎麼樣台獨嗎台獨嗎不是就是希望說我們從這個教訓當中我們怎麼樣來珍惜我們現在的這個民主憲政的這個成果啦好謝謝 謝謝主委我想交通部部長 |
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主委請下部長是部長,你當我是菜鳥還是什麼?我從來不覺得你是菜鳥我再三延伸的來親口的告訴你了綠島現在的問題所在我從來沒有要求你要做什麼 |
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福果利民的事情當然我一定要珍惜所以我很客氣的告訴你我曾經跟你是一個同事念在一個同事當中所以不找你任何的議題但今天我只是拜託你公平正義在哪裡我拜託你 你當我是傻瓜你不要浩呆浩呆的專業 專業都沒有做得到只要求你來幫忙你連一個幫忙都沒有 |
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委員我們就您指教的事情我們共同來討論我本來很客氣的當面在這個地方來拜託你今天針對綠島的事情現在我們來看一下為提升台東往返綠島海星能量以舒適感綠島是相公所經營的公船大五輪日前已在高雄的交船進入整修那本席二度 |
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在這個地方 我要讓院長知道本來這個事情不是鋪上檯面因為這個預算沒有那麼多然後整修以購買的補助的經費至今乃為獲得同意根據調查所有的外 這個外領導 |
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現僅有立島沒有公傳按照比例原則是立島的民眾極度不滿這個本來你們應該比例原則而且我要你們重新檢討你們有來報告給我了沒有你一個報告都沒有 |
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委員我在這邊跟您說明你當我是什麼你要不要讓我說要不然我現在你讓我盯上你們交通部你不要讓我客氣你要不要讓我說明請讓部長說明你看一下嘛不要讓你說明這艘船幾年的你知道嗎為什麼他們現在現在你要猜數要補數給他們他們要補數要買來的船已經幾年的您知道嗎那你說你現在買來評估要猜數然後要給他們補數他們不要補數 |
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我們要按照福國利民要長久久安,讓他們能夠比例人選,以豐平的立場上的角度,你應該要初心思考,重新檢討才對啊28年,修理起來要6000多萬,目的符合經濟效益你們單位有沒有跟我們報告?沒有嘛那你要我跟你們報告啊,我現在要跟你們報告,你們要不要聽? |
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那為什麼一定要在這個地方執行呢你要我去你辦公室報告你也可以來要求我們去報告你專業在哪裡所有現在的離島都有公傳 |
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那我要你們檢討,然後你們再思考然後今天就算是你們蘋果這個舊船不能使用那就不能使用,你們可以再提另一個方案,不是說要拆屬拆屬然後來補助給他們,他們要的是這樣的嗎?補助這個我們要看綠島相關所的提出申請啊要看綠島相關所的提出申請啊 |
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我邀求過你交通部你任何道路嗎只有這一件而已第一件我要盯上你們交通部了您跟我說這件事那我們的航港也確實評估了怎麼處理啊也跟您說的評估就是目前船已經28年要花6000多萬 |
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為什麼當我在等你告訴我的時候你卻沒有來跟我報告現在一定要在檯面上來指責你越造輪目前載客率五成而已貨輪載客率三成而已委員我聽起來部長對現狀是了解的 |
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而且對您提出的這個方式他也有進行相當的調查所以他知道花這麼一筆錢修一部的舊船或許將來在使用上在安全上都值得勝利只是部長他應該進一步能夠提出一個跟委員商討如何來解決這個問題我剛才就是應該這樣子嘛可是為什麼一定要再次質詢你沒有 我要質詢你你要讓他瞭解之後在此前你讓我委員相見告訴你然後你把我當成菜牛是不是啊 |
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他了解事實調查清楚他也可以下一步再提出一個方案這不是調查報告院長院長從去年到現在已經一年多了 |
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時間暫停 黃委員 |
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副院長 陳部長 我想我們就互相彼此尊重理系溝通 展開有優質的政策對話好不好 黃委員 左院長 陳部長是 我報告很多委員對部長都相當的肯定他一定會有後續的謝謝主席 保安院長本來我是好言相欠我想當面跟教文部長告訴他有這麼一回事 |
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這個不是一算多寡是對立島要公平正義人口縱然是沒有那麼多但是為他們的交通公算 |
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絕對有利這是長久久安的事情不是為了這個船已經老舊28年了然後我必須要翻修必須要付出這樣的這一筆錢可能好不值得必須我就用拆除的方法來補助給你 |
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那請問一下在比例原則在哪裡公傳就是沒有嘛那你應該要檢討那你們內部裡面應該要跟我報告喔我等了一年多了委員這件事要看綠島鄉公所他們希望怎麼做您也可以來開協調會我已經跟你們講了嘛本務卿的祖密都已經跟你講 跟你報告了嘛你現在還當什麼不知道當不知道 當傻瓜是不是不要在那邊好呆你看什麼 |
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政府對綠島的各種的應該有的建設實在是不會落後不會少的 |
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950.629 |
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我記得我去的時候關於學校的整建我們每一年都因為颱風來也撥下了相當的款項這都是應該的況且我記得好像綠島整個鐵路線的地下化我們也做了很多那要不要重新檢討公平正義要不要重新檢討我看部長在瞭解清楚沒有問題我們可以來商討啊您也可以開協調會啊我們一起來商討嘛找綠島鄉公署大家一起來討論看要怎麼解決給你兩個禮拜好不好 |
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所以您不參與這件事,我們直接找綠島相公所嗎? |
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987.916 |
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還是你們檢討 討論出來啊討論出來兩個禮拜你們分析看能不能啊對不對以現況的要求我們已經分析出來沒有經濟價值我跟你講沒有經濟價值是公平正義的問題嘛因為我要新的版本沒問題我們來討論嘛好 給你一個禮拜好 請下所以到底是兩個禮拜還是一個禮拜一個禮拜好了好 沒有問題我們來商討好好 謝謝 |
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有請國防部長麻煩請國防部備選跟黃委員報告今天部長下午接見貴賓現在副部長徐部長好黃委員好 |
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首先先強調一個對美採購武器沒有人反對但很多人卻有質疑和擔心那副部長你知不知道為什麼主要是交貨的進度讓大家擔憂根據今年的二月這個TVBS所民調的將近59%的民眾同意經過對台灣的安檢 |
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有幫助但是同時也有56%受訪者擔心美國經受延宕交貨其實就是證明本行所剛剛所說的支持對美軍的侵購但是有所餘力以目前你們所訂出來的 |
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第2是 |
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AMG-154C聯合具外精準的一個武器原定2025-26交付限制拖延到2027-28那另外第三是 |
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委員那個是這樣 |
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關於目前延宕的品項的確是您所說的這三項那我們持續的跟美方溝通那麼相關的這個延宕這幾個產線F16我剛去看過了 |
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目前F16的產線在物料跟人員上面並沒有什麼摯愛主要是因為F16不大可拐動這個是為我們台灣設計的所以它是一個新的構型它必須要不斷去是非才能把新的系統調教好然後再回饋產線去做調教所以它的時間沒有辦法確定但是我去看了產線 產線上面 |
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66架裡面已經59架都在裝修了那我問你武器的交付好延宕是不是一個事實回答我就好這三項這三項的確但是呢這個今年是像那個F16嘛是到今年要交付但是到今年為止目前是還沒有可是已經有在是非了對嘛現在回答我 |
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這三項也好武器沒有交付是不是一個四十四就好了嘛但是很多也已經交付啦很多正常還有一項是超前的當中有三項剛剛副長提到其中一項的因素那因為這個跟國際的因素也相當關係我們講一個必須要一個承認齁即使以合約來看只有三項延宕但是這個三項對國軍 |
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的戰力非常的影響很大因為這三項你們提出的剛剛講的是225億但是現在我們以美國卡托研究所2025的11月報告表示延宕金額高達1億 |
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新台幣6773億元那雖然這個未交付的累積金額包含生產中因美方產能排期而延後的一個這個督算進去但是實際上也反映出美國對外經濟受益系統長期低效風險規避加上產業基礎無法快速擴產的系統問題在於 |
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德朗公司戰略暨國際研究中心的智庫報告也多出指出美國工業基礎無法對台灣的和烏克蘭的一個高需求所以這個就是一個問題所在那延宕就是延宕那今天剛提到的6730億就是我們購買的武器到現在是吧 |
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不過我們的付款是隨著他的交付而進行的所以如果還沒有交付我們的錢還是並沒有轉移過去這是第一個事情第二個事情呢如果說美國的產線這個有所摯愛這不是只對於中華民國台灣啊他對全球都是一樣這是第二點第三點如果我們不向美國買有什麼別的來源可以買嗎問題是現在沒有 |
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所以並不表示說某些武器延宕大部分武器都是按時交因為這樣我們就不購買武器了我想不能因噎廢食吧我想延宕就是延宕這國人都已經知道現在我們重新的檢討儘快把武器交付給國內增加我們國際的戰力這才是一個真正要解決問題的人好請坐那個原民會主委麻煩再請原民會備詢 |
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我想這也跟院長知道外交部都提出總和外交外交的這樣的一個政策在林部長在總和外交的過程裡面我想一定有一套的績效因為我在外交國防我常常去了解在外交國防的一些總和外交包含南東以西民主推動的一些政策 |
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本席在這個地方特別提出對於整個原民會會要不要再增加而且如何做一個橫向聯繫因為南島語系民主我想這是一旦在從委上任跟外交部的部長都已經提到既然你們提出的總和外交那我就提出原民外交包含南島語系如何結合 |
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这一些南岛语系的民族将近三四亿人口的这样的一个过程因为我们常常对着我们的外交困境一直处在一个没有办法再拓展那如何借用我们南岛语系的民族里面做结合 |
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然後總和外交包含原民會的扮演的角色非常重要原民會的扮演角色也是要跟外交部做一個橫向聯繫所以應該要設置原住民國際處 |
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1469.703 |
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因為現在原住民的這個國際組只有預算只有兩千萬而且你如何把我們的南島語系的民族再推展到這個亞太民族裡面按照我們不能依賴著外交部外交部有外交部的專責我想原民會原民會本身就有專責 |
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1496.554 |
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对常常推动的南岛语系的民主而且如果成立我们人民会成立一个国际组然后跟外交部配合总和外交来对整个亚太民主的南岛语系我想有助于我们国内国家对于外交的政策的困境扩展到我们的事业我想院长你认不认同我的想法 |
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謝謝委員肯定林佳龍部長率領外交部推出總和外交甚至還有榮邦計畫等等這都是過去幾年我們很少有的一個外交接觸目前也持續在運作當中至於原名 |
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1534.211 |
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的部分在人民會的綜合規劃處當中就有一個國際事務的專職機構所以國際事務組現在要退展的沒有辦法發揮嗎但是所有的部會對外的關係都應該在外交部總和外交大的計畫當中逐步推動 |
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那我認為我也會要求外交部不會去忽略南島國家對我們應該有的接觸甚至他跟我們有某些文化的相同更有利於我們互相的接觸這個我請外交部可以再補充一下好 待會你再回答我我也會 |
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1568.299 |
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原住民事務委員會自民國86年1997年設立至今已經28年了原住民農漁林因分屬各部會業者導致有五個問題長期的 |
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存在那既然很多現在是業務都在圓明會重重之務為什麼因為圓明會直接對整個全國的原住民的一些農漁林包含南島語系的民主的推展他們是一個直接跟他們有關係的所以我的意思說既然28年了那我應該要設立的是什麼就是國際組配合 |
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1610.54 |
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我們總體外交總和外交跟這個外交部那農漁林那配合農業部應該要增設原住民委員會增設農漁林處這樣的話更能夠貼近 |
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1635.304 |
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民意貼信農人貼信漁民包含南島以西的民意所裡面推展我想 四位好 謝謝委員謝謝委員對我們這個延民會這邊對外交跟農漁業的能量的這個考量但我要跟委員報告依據這個中央行政機關的組織基準法的規定 |
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1638.167 |
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1655.366 |
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我們會裡面最多就是成立六個處但是我跟委員報告有沒有這個處跟有沒有做這個事情是不一樣的我們一樣像譬如講在這個中長城的計畫在原住民的國際外交的部分我們院裡面也編列了5.2億的 |
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1657.611 |
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1677.378 |
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未來的六年來處理這個事情因為我沒有辦法再增加處但是有這樣的預算你不要固本也不要固守長期的傳統的概念從蔡英文總統到現在我們的賴總統設置了多少部門設置了多少部門 |
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1678.905 |
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1693.625 |
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我們要創造新的議題讓我們民眾百姓老百姓尤其是農人漁民最能直接感受原民會的恩澤德正啊是吧 |
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1694.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1719.926 |
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你要去創造你要去徵詢那你可以說服我們這些立法委員我們要跟行政院來報告請行政院拜託拜託能夠徵涉原住民事務委員會的農漁林署包含我們的國際署結合外交部的總和外交不就是一個解決之道嗎那要不然我們的範圍沒有跨出去我跟委員報告 |
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1721.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1728.018 |
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農業部本來就是在照顧我們所有的農民農業部請叫部長來農業部部長我直接講一句話就好農業部長來外交部請回農業部部長請備詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1762.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
我們這個中央政府組織啊他設定是一定的數目一定的量人所以是不是有外交或是農業部的事情不能做檢討院長你們就要思考從蔡英文總統包含賴總統現在設置多少的部門都是依法設置那你現在的很多的一些章程憲法要怎麼改的就要看你們怎麼改啊部長農業部長部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1768.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1773.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
農業部長有我跟委員說明一下你不要聽馬沙羅 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1778.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1787.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
我聽不到啦我聽不到啦聽不到嘛但是事情做得到啦可以做事情啦我跟委員報告農業部針對原民部落特別提出一個原地再現 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1800.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1823.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
只知道原民會的原民化那我今天我要求補助我要跟眾你不會聽我們原住民的辛苦跟他們內心的吶喊裡面你如何了解所以嘛農藝林署是不是成立一個嘛現在最簡單了嘛如果原民會什麼步道成立一個那就跟院長一樣啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1824.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1849.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
沒有 今天我們講一個貼近民意 貼近原住民的事務我們很多原住民不會懂得國語不會懂得講的台語但是 原民會貴罪能夠貼近原住民事務可以聆聽他們的辛苦 他們需要的是什麼我跟委員報告在原住民輔導的時候我們都有原住民的同仁一起來協助我問你 原住民的同仁 現在要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1862.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1865.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
方委員報告時間已到諮詢時間時間已到原住民話怎麼說 |