| IVOD_ID |
168045 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168045 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-31T10:43:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-31T11:13:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/107bfa5c42886b5fe915cc8736f4fdd722f7b5da982353915d0fbff94ffda3026d9aedde2b1829865ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:01 - 11:13:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「要求行政院院長卓榮泰即刻核准各部會動支業經通過之新興民生計畫預算共計718億元，並依法編列『警察人員人事條例』及軍人志願役待遇調整等法律之相關預算，以維護國家整體利益，確保人民基本福祉，並回復憲政體制之正常運作。」是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月27日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝江副院長我們有請卓院長有請農業部陳部長還有我們工程會主委陳金德主委上台卓院長還有陳部長陳主委請備詢 |
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王委員好院長好院長我要先幫嘉義縣的災民請命但那是風災到現在你知不知道在嘉義縣還有一些農民他們的溫往事沒有得到任何的補助 |
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主要是農業部的規定太嚴格那這個我在今年還下去跟這些農民進行座談他們真的是很辛苦溫網市被摧毀之後因為農業部的一些相關法規他是相對比較嚴格的而且他是把他這塊土地如果他有任何存在一些設施他通通把他綁在一起你沒有改善你的溫網市即使被摧毀了他就不給予補助這個是在嘉義縣易竹鄉還蠻嚴重的還有 |
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很多農民他們到現在也不敢提案也得不到補助院長我希望你今天主持公道是不是這件事情可以讓農業部可以讓這個陳主委他們回去盡快的來幫這些農民解套可以嗎 |
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好謝謝委員提醒任何災害發生我們都希望從速從速從快從優來處理那我知道溫王市嘉義這個部分目前申請案件是五千七百多件但最終核准到現在是一千七百多件左右那其中有一些是退件那有一些是因為可能還有一些存在一些不適格的問題那至於說為什麼 |
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申請數跟核准數會有這個落差那一定有它的原因出現我們請部長來做說明部長你們農糧署有跟你回報啦我想我跟委員報告就是委員所關切的最主要的一個問題就是農地的容許的部分它可能有一些 |
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違規的地方那我們也曾經想要用專案的方式去解套但是在討論的過程中在法規單位來講那個本身的最上位的法是沒辦法去處理的部分所以我們換一個方式就是我們主動協助縣市政府就是就他溫室本身如果沒有問題我們就應該可以同意不要去看其他的 |
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盡量去做這樣的一個切割啦所以現在的部分我想我已經有跟農糧署還有跟地方政府也經過溝通大家可以認同我不去處理整塊地我去處理溫室那個地方如果說它溫室本身沒有違規的部分的話我們就盡量的盡快同意這第一點 |
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第二點我也要求我們的農糧署把所有的申請案能夠上網我更希望用類似物流追蹤的方式讓我們的申請者能夠了解他申請的進度啦才不會說每天一直擔心說什麼時候可以好那這個部分我想農糧署也已經在做這樣子的一個系統規劃未來我想任何的申請案他都可以查到現在在哪一個階段以上 |
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所以部長是說你現在已經跟嘉義縣政府就是也成立一個專案願意只針對文廣市的這個部分就是來給予這個補助跟處理嘛對不對不是整塊土地整個合起來看嘛可以切割處理了嘛 |
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對 我是用這樣的一個方式去做溝通那你已經告訴嘉義縣政府了嗎沒有 嘉義縣政府這邊他也要問他們的法治的部分所以我想我們盡可能的那個部長 我跟你報告我開過協調會嘉義縣政府就是看中央主管機關只要你農業部同意 他們就照辦你不要再推回去給嘉義縣政府了對 我知道 我會用這個原則再去跟嘉義縣政府這邊做確認我也會通知農藥署你星期之內 好不好 |
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可以吧這件事情已經很久了我希望這些農民齁當時這個院長剛剛也特別提到我們那麼加速通過這一筆特別預算就是從寬從幽從速這些原則但是現在苦苦等不到這個補助款的這些可憐辛苦的農民們我覺得應該要被重視好不好盡快去處理好院長可以嗎 |
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謝謝委員 您應該知道陳部長是很會為農民來照顧農民權益的所以我今天才特別提出來他經常會想出一個好的方法來解決這個難以解決的問題只要農業部講出來有利於農民的行政院是全力支持好 那我希望你們全力以赴一星期之內跟嘉西縣政府達成共識不要讓這些農民再苦苦的在那邊等候我們要努力加油 |
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今天我看到我們經貿總談判代表楊珍妮總談判代表今天有出席了是不是院長我們可以請這個總談判代表也一起上台 |
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總諮詢的規定他是總談判代表不是政委他們都要有雙重身份總諮詢的規定應該是 應該可以剛剛陳經德主委他也是政委有雙重身份應該都可以上來因為我們今天是總諮詢他今天身份算政府委員但剛剛陳經德委員也是是工程會主委對啊 就是身兼兩職嘛那照這樣來講台灣總經貿談判代表也是可以接受諮詢的因為過去楊真理總談判代表也有來到過立法院 |
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我們正式是工程會主委、國發會主委跟國科會主委對,他們都有雙重身份,所以我想應該是可以的其他的經常會有一些工作上的分配,是沒有這樣的例子這我解釋一下,因為我們如果是針對上次談判的專案會議專案報告的時候那他用總談判代表的身份,那時候是可以備詢上台 |
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因為今天是總諮詢我有一個議題是跟經貿談判有關他可以提供資料,但他不上臺備詢不上臺嗎?他今天身份是政務委員因為外界都很想了解這個事件,如果可以,或者是楊政委是不是願意上臺? |
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不過我也請委員能夠體諒因為這件案子社會矚目行政院有非常的重視我們已經委由外聘的委員在展開這個職場相關的一些調查調查期間所有談判辦公室的人他對外的任何講話都可能成為調查一部分所以我們是認為如果能夠謹言慎行而且能夠檢查在這個地方引起討論或許是一個比較好的方式 |
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好 這個因為是外界非常的關注那既然這個楊貞妮政委就是沒有上台的話那院長我只好請教你了這個我們痛失了這個一位副總談判代表痛失這樣的經貿人才大家社會都覺得非常的惋惜那我們現在就來檢討這整個事情 |
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這個都是透過爆料者他提出來的但是去對比這個顏惠欣副總談判代表他所遞出的辭職信其實有些東西是吻合的首先我就請教院長你收到他的辭職信是不是2月19號我不是收到紙本我收到一個訊息傳真我不曉得是LINE還是什麼是由辦公室的同仁給我看的一個手機上面的資料 |
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那是辭職信完整的內容嗎?是,是辭職信也是完整的內容那你有好好的讀這個信的內容嗎?有有,那個時候2月19號就是過年年假的期間所以是2月19號嘛,你收到的簡訊內容就是辭職信我手機上收到的是2月19號的日子辭職信本身我記得沒有寫日期 |
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你2月19號收到那那個辭職信是更早嗎這個是我們人事行政總統你什麼時候收到的 |
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我是沒有收到這基本上是在院長辦公室收到2月19收到然後院長有看到這樣的一個資訊然後院長本來應該我在想應該是要慰留他嘛因為他表現也非常好尤其在台美談判的過程中這是一個非常對台灣非常重要的關鍵時刻那院長一方面希望他留下來繼續幫忙也請他好好的照顧身體 |
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基本上在這個前提下就是有這樣的一個過程因為報告委員他後面寫到說未來身體如果康復有需要他還是會竭盡來為國家服務所以我再接到這個實質性雖然是在過年的期間我還是請我的同仁趕快跟原副總談判代表說好好的養病珍惜自己的身體那希望他早日恢復再回到工作上面來 |
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他信的內容其實有特別提到就是說他的意見沒有獲得採納還遭受到嚴厲的駁斥指的就是楊真理總代表他並沒有寫哪一個人那現在你了解的是不是他 |
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不是 非常抱歉因為第一個這個是在年假的期間而且他身上那時候是不舒服的基於人性我沒有在第一時間去詢問他內容我只請他好好的珍惜保重身體再回來上班我們會再有機會再談 |
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之後他就一直還在請假當中所以當時看到這個信的內容一個是他有指出他的建議遭到嚴厲的駁斥另外一個就是CPTPP一直消極一對連一個工作小組都沒有就是院長讀到這些資訊的時候你那時候沒有想到進一步去了解到底發生什麼事吧或者是把楊真理總談判代表 |
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叫來問話一下就是說我辭職信有看到這些訊息你沒有去核對嗎當然過年幾年假期我是沒有去做任何的接觸那我看到這兩部分一部分CPTPP就政府而言我們持續在各種的場合面對任何的外賓或是國際場合我們都持續希望能夠協助我們進入這個CPTPP因為現在最重要的是是成員國的共識這個是現在唯一我們所欠缺的 |
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但是沒有方法也沒有計畫也沒有工作小組這個是顏慧欣副總談判代表他指出來的我也說過我們過去這一年雖然我們很大的力量跟時間是用在跟對面的談判但CPBWP這個工作我們還是持續的讓它存在是我們的目標性跟計畫性的這個目標當中 |
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好所以就是當時你只有想要慰留他你並沒有針對他辭職信的內容就是仔細去讀或者是去查證我當然有看內容我只說兩個一個是連假期間我當然不會就干擾他再來就是連假之後他還持續的請假我認為那個時候他還是以身體養他的身體為重那個時間你也沒有追查好那我們現在回過來檢討現在要開始追查了 |
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這個爆料人我發現他的訊息還蠻準確的第一個他講說立法院的這個會議都是這個言會心來但是就是赴美談判他被刻意排擠了赴美談判美方限制只有四個人員 |
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然後呢我今天要當面問院長的就是說這個四位人員是哪四位到底有沒有顏慧欣她到底有沒有去跟美國方面作為四位的談判代表之一有或沒有我只能跟委員報告 |
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談判的工作第一方面是由政府院長所領軍楊振宜政委是總談判代表當然是兩位是我們的主力那我們在所有重要的時節節點前後我們在院內都會召開各種的會議了解要去談的內容議題以及我們做什麼樣的決定但是在談判第一線的現場 |
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當然由現場的總指揮他們去執行包括人員包括現場情勢的應對或現場能夠解決的問題這個當然交由全線的指揮全權來處理我們在這裡沒有辦法去跟他說 |
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哪些人才能進到哪些的場合去這個到底是所以這件事你是完全授權鄭麗君副院長就是去統統我想一般的談判都是這樣子現場有現場的指揮系統所以你根本不知道成員有誰對不對他們有沒有告訴你說這四位成員有誰你之前到底知不知情在爆料者講之前你知不知道我們對美的談判代表他們帶了兩個紀錄人員寧可兩個紀錄人員一個名額也不要給副總談判代表 |
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這件事你知不知道因為他一定有另外的考量那這個部分未來在調查過程當中我希望委員如果有詢問他們會據時來答覆所以爆料者講的是真的對不對就是說這四位的談判代表有兩位記錄一位是正副院長一位是楊珍妮總談判代表就是沒有顏惠欣副總談判代表這個是事實對不對委員說爆料者所談的是真的這件事情我沒有辦法證實 |
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你到現在沒辦法證實有沒有說要進去不被進去或是被怎麼樣我只問你說這四位到底是誰是不是兩個紀錄加上鄭麗君加上楊真銘是不是就這四位我想基於談判的過程大家都知道政府院長跟楊政委楊總裁在兩位那其他的 |
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我覺得其他的應該交由調查去內容去處理原因我們當然不知道我也不需要院長去講因為你也不是當事人但是我只是要院長證實是不是這四位就是爆料者所說那現在看起來就是嘛那外界在質疑的就是為什麼沒有這樣的等號我覺得還是要調查啦 |
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你們到現在還掌握不到,你問副院長就坐在你旁邊,你問他一問就知道這四位,那有沒有說誰要進去後來不被要求出來原因理由我們先不講就是爆料者所言,就是這四位因為我是對照他講的,就是說 |
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這個有事副代表扛來立法院都是他來我查證了我整理出這個表格的確是從這個113年的11月一直到114年他請假之前都是由顏惠欣副代表來到立法院這個是沒有錯的我要請教這個院長就是說 |
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如果一個公務體系部門你今天也肯定顏惠欣副總談判代表能力很好她是經貿的人才那副美談判她去不了她去過但是她不是代表那四個的代表 |
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然後他又要負擔來立法院報告跟說明你認為未來你所帶領的行政院底下還會繼續發生這種就是如果有人上面長官試圖要架空他下面的部署有些職權把他拿掉責任讓他扛這種情況你允許未來再繼續發生嗎 |
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如果不是針對今天說的這個案任何人去架空別人那當然不應該發生在公務體系但我覺得這兩個字不要跟現在就扯扯在一起我知道你的原則嘛我問的是你的原則那當然是是嗎好像我我的工作我都非常倚重這個副院長還有張東海秘書長我們就說合理的分工我也相信在 |
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OTA裡面也是一樣合理的分工顏慧欣副總裁表是一個非常優秀的國際貿易的人才所以他來面對立法院做一些詢問的回答我認為這也是他專業專長之一應該表現得非常非常的專業這麼優秀的人才我相信他也希望在國際的舞台上面有他可以發揮的空間他既然這麼的優秀 |
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所以我也覺得現在大家要幫他報物品的是為什麼這麼優秀的人在這麼重要的市民我們對美談判的這個席次上面這麼珍貴為什麼他連一席都不給他也不讓他去代表所以今天我要要求院長這個個案一定要徹查清楚 |
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當我看到家屬這個不克領受就是政院要頒給這個顏慧欣副代表這樣的一等的功勳的時候我覺得家屬的心情某種程度可以體會完全了解我也完全體會他可能覺得女兒有受到委屈他可能覺得真相比這個功勳更重要所以這個真相我就問這個院長你什麼時候可以給家屬可以給社會大眾一個交代 |
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上個禮拜四我們已經請四位外聘委員組成這個調查委員會依照院內的規定調查委員會我們這次完全有外聘委員那他們在上禮拜五就開過視訊的會議總共有幾位外聘委員現在目前聘幾位這一次是四位有四位是四位好那他們在上個禮拜五也開過視訊會議有排定了後續的相關的期程跟議程怎麼去調查方式內容等等已經在展開了 |
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預計什麼時候完成依照我們的規定是兩個月內要完成調查必要時再延長當然我希望這個事情及早能夠讓家屬得到了解事實是好的所以我希望一個月內就要把這件事情調查清楚好不好不要再讓這件事情委員今天的表示調查委員都有聽到但法定給他們時間是兩個月以內越快越好然後針對這一個個案我有四點我提供給院長做參考謝謝 |
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霸凌個案最重要的是找到真相然後還原事實你才可以給這個被霸凌者真正的公道過去在勞發署所爆發的基層的公務員因為霸凌案輕生就是這樣處理的第一個我要求楊貞妮這個總談判代表她現在應該要暫時調離限制或請假 |
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這個就像你剛剛講的今天他現在任何的發言可能都會影響他下面這些被調查者就是到底敢不敢繼續講真話過去在勞發署案件的時候謝一榮我就是要求他要調離限職或暫時請假 |
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就是讓他下面的人敢說真話這是在霸凌案調查非常重要的一點特別是這個還牽涉到最高權位者的詮釋的問題所以這一點我希望這個院長你要注意到調查結果有沒有效 |
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能不能讓相關人講真話這個才是重點這件事情我希望可以做到第二個必須擴大調查範圍不是只有這個經貿辦過去在國貿局時代的同事還有經貿辦已經離職的同事還有外交部跟他互動的這個範圍你應該是要擴大你的全貿其實才會清楚這個部分我的要求第三個一定要保護好吹哨者 |
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經濟部技術師之前傳出來說還要追查吹哨者此風不可長我們今天是要還原真相如果有人還在私底下想要去找到說爆料者是誰還要加以報復我覺得這個真相就會石沉大海 |
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就會讓真正知道事情的人不敢出聲第四個就是我剛講的這件事情社會高度關注你應該用最快的時間最有效的方式去完成調查在一個月之內就完成這樣的一個調查這四點的訴求我要提供給院長參考可以嗎好 謝謝我都聽到了 |
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好 謝謝院長那最後我還要追問一個還有另外一案 一案未平 一案又起我們的駐美代表余大磊到底他的霸凌案件現在整個社會也是沸沸揚揚因為他已經不只第一次被爆料者講出這些訊息但是我看到外交部的態度非常的消極 |
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外交部說我們又沒有接到這個投訴所以我沒有辦法啟動調查我們的機制都在就是非常的官方但是院長我要提醒顏惠欣這個案子也不是透過正式的申訴管道但是因為爆料者指證非常的確實你們就啟動專案的調查了那我就請問余大雷案要不要正式立案調查 |
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他講出來的內容其實還蠻離譜的離譜的是說為了口腹之慾去解雇員工餐宴打包不合他意就把這個主管降為副主管還有他的夫人對於外交人員以止氣使這些都不應該是一個我們最大的這個駐美代表處應該展現出來的一個外交官該有的高度跟格局這件事情外交部不自己主動去了解嗎 |
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媒體都包成這樣子了報告委員那麼我們外交部那麼有良好的這個申訴的管道事實上你不要再重複同樣的話我就問你要不要立案調查 |
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我們不會根據傳言就來做這樣的一個調查那除非是有當事人正式的這個申訴所以就是不調查就對了好那我就請問院長那為什麼這個顏慧欣案你也主動說要立案調查那外交部這個案子你管得到嗎你可以叫他們調查嗎還是要總統下令 |
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外交事務當然是屬於總統之權但是這個人事上的行政行政院跟外交部還是一體的我們還是希望外交部能夠主動了解一下到底是不是有所誤解或是誤會如果當中有需要外交部來進行調解的部分所以應該主動去約產了解要找相關人員來了解過去也有一段這樣的一個過程嘛過去也有一些類似的那外交部也有經過了解之後有一些說明包括坐車啦 當然都有些說明 |
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那也能夠接受那這一次是新的市政他對於對於這一些解雇的員工或把人家降級都是因為這個餐點處理不好就大發雷霆然後把這個其他的外交官就是這樣子使喚來使喚去這個新的市政要不要再重新調查這個要經過了解否則這種情節是比較難以想像 |
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對啊 真的啊 大家沒辦法接受大家沒有辦法接受但是一位外交官身負國家重任的外交官怎麼會用這麼一個事情來做這樣的處理我們基本上都應該相信我們的外交官都是專業都是為國家在做事情的所以了解一下對當事人也是好的 |
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本席主張還是應該要調查外交部要不要去調查你至少要傳相關人員來瞭解吧我們遵從院長指示我們會去完整的好我希望你們也要深入去瞭解沒有就還給這個代表一個公道有的話這個完全不符合一個外交官該有的風範在那邊作威作福這是怎樣我們不是要我們的工廠要一個駐外代表在那邊作威作福然後把外交人員不當外交人員看這個我們是絕對不能接受的是 |
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因為我們外交部的立場一向也是要能夠維持一個友善的職場環境好 那你們趕快去了解跟國有公布你們了解的情況到底是怎麼樣 好不好好 接下來這個我要問的是現在大家民眾都很恐慌的這個今天的報紙可能這個這個院長應該看到我們現在連米價米的這個包裝連這個 |
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包裝袋就是又貴又缺貨這一波的民營醫戰爭川普總統他說一個月要結束一開始就說我們蘇州一個月結束現在結束不了這個院長你們有沒有做最壞的打算這個戰爭你們整個國安團隊評估還要持續多久 |
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1474.687 |
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無法評估這個戰爭雙方在膠著的狀態雖然一開始說兩到三週三到四週那現在看下去時間應該會更為超越我們當初的這個想像跟預期對所以也就是因為這樣子對於整體台灣的衝擊我覺得就是會比原來的預判又更嚴重 |
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現在在這樣的情況底下 上個禮拜是塑膠袋之亂去菜市場買這些塑膠袋也是缺貨到現在這個櫃子上面也是空空主要是上游的原料已稀 其實是大缺貨的一個情況所以原料缺貨 然後現在輻射出來連這個裝米的米袋可能就缺貨現在廠商不是擔心它貴的問題 |
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是上游的供貨直接給他減一半那以後我們就是要自己帶著鍋子去裝你這樣子所以這個的輻射的範圍是很大的我要請教院長的就是我們現在到底是如何的嚴正一帶我們現在這個一個禮拜我們開幾次會來討論這件事情 |
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基本上我們禮拜一的政務會議還有禮拜三政府院長組織的物價穩定小組的會議還有禮拜四的院會這三個是固定的其他我們還會不定期召開各種狀況那我跟委員報告兩件事情第一個油氣的部分因為二月二十八號發生戰爭之後油氣部分我們從三月四月穩定五月穩定現在到六月也幾乎是穩定 |
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都沒有問題嗎?到6月,6月只差一點點,我們現在再努力油氣大概都穩定,油比較沒有問題,是LNG的問題那另外現在看到的就是塑膠袋以及這個包裝米的包廠那這個是上油化工的製品它的乙烯,那我們現在是第一個要求中油它能夠恢復 |
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生產也請台塑也能夠恢復增加生產這樣的原物料出來以後那雙方經過協調之後應該在四月份馬上就可以把原物料生產出來我們就提供給這個製造廠商來做生產量可以有多大中油現在生產量一個月是六萬那如果經過這樣生產會增加到7.9萬至8萬之間應該增加兩萬 |
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這件事情我是要提醒院長事實上他的影響程度不比這個新冠疫情 |
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來得更輕微其實嚴重程度可能是更高的為什麼因為這一個整個石油它的原物料它是最上游它輻射到了包括我們的半導體包括我們這一些的民生產業包括很多其他的然後它另外會帶動就是我們的物價的上漲 |
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這一波其實是很嚴峻的那我們常常說好想贏韓國在這件事情我覺得韓國他們的嚴正以待我也讓這個院長看我們應該是要更上緊發條來嚴肅看待這件事情韓國他們在3月25號清華臺他就成立了緊急經濟狀況室 |
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他的最高指揮是總統就是總統府總統主持緊急的經濟檢討會議那他是用這麼高的一個規格來看而且他的那個執行端主導者就是國務總理就等同是院長他是緊急經濟本部各部會首長都擔任組長他分了五大組 |
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就是在這個輻射的範圍他看到的是宏觀的經濟然後物價對應還有能源供應金融穩定民生福利還有海外情勢的管理他是透過由上而下很緊密的一個成立這樣的一個對策小組每一週固定開兩次會議你剛剛說行政院也有開會但你不是針對這件事你行政院要討論的事情很多我們的政務會議第一天禮拜一的一早的第一案就是這個會議 |
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你是第一案嘛他是這個小組都在討論這件事不是第一案我的意思就是說你是好幾案其中一案是這件事最重要的這一案對昨天早上公正案討論了將近兩個鐘頭對所以我覺得你應該要成立專門的跨部會的工作小組了而且定期的開會像 |
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那個韓國他其實是每週召開兩次會議我覺得你應該要這樣子做而且把你開會的結果就定期的行政院告訴大家你針對哪一個方面你做了什麼事情因應了哪些你這樣子定期的一個訊息的溝通跟你定期的會議我覺得會讓民眾是更安心知道行政院是有步驟有策略不是且戰且走的 |
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就是你是用一個很宏觀的很清楚的責任分工定期的開會告訴大家這一波的危機大家共同面對行政院有最壞的打算但是你們也有最完整的準備我希望你們可以做出這樣子而不是譬如說問一下這個央行央行回答一個然後問了誰回答一個就是各部會看起來我覺得現在是沒有統整的這件事情行政院可以做到嗎 |
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我們這個每週固定的會議之後我會定時跟不定時向總統回報重大的一個決定那現在我也決定要如何跟民眾了解因為時間拖這麼長大家會越來越焦慮我們勢必要做一個更清楚的工作讓民眾了解我覺得我們在防疫期間那樣的方式讓民眾取得安心是一個很好的方式我們會把它組成起來 |
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好 我覺得這個就是這一次的確挑戰是非常嚴峻的就是我本期看到就是真的是要嚴正以對各部會其實都要很嚴肅的看待這個問題我們不希望這一次的梅伊伊戰爭真的讓我們的物價就是上升太快然後台幣貶值太多然後我們的能源就是受到很嚴重的一個 |
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謝謝王委員 謝謝卓院長報告院會蔡其昌委員之質詢已書面提出 |