| IVOD_ID |
168045 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168045 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-31T10:43:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-31T11:13:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/107bfa5c42886b5fe915cc8736f4fdd722f7b5da982353915d0fbff94ffda3026d9aedde2b1829865ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:01 - 11:13:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「要求行政院院長卓榮泰即刻核准各部會動支業經通過之新興民生計畫預算共計718億元，並依法編列『警察人員人事條例』及軍人志願役待遇調整等法律之相關預算，以維護國家整體利益，確保人民基本福祉，並回復憲政體制之正常運作。」是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月27日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝江副院長我們有請卓院長有請農業部陳部長還有我們工程會主委陳金德主委上台卓院長還有陳部長陳主委請備詢 |
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王委員好院長好院長我要先幫嘉義縣的災民請命但那是風災到現在你知不知道在嘉義縣還有一些農民他們的溫往事沒有得到任何的補助 |
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主要是農業部的規定太嚴格那這個我在今年還下去跟這些農民進行座談他們真的是很辛苦溫網市被摧毀之後因為農業部的一些相關法規他是相對比較嚴格的而且他是把他這塊土地如果他有任何存在一些設施他通通把他綁在一起你沒有改善你的溫網市即使被摧毀了他就不給予補助這個是在嘉義縣易竹鄉還蠻嚴重的還有 |
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很多農民他們到現在也不敢提案也得不到補助院長我希望你今天主持公道是不是這件事情可以讓農業部可以讓這個陳主委他們回去盡快的來幫這些農民解套可以嗎 |
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好謝謝委員提醒任何災害發生我們都希望從速從速從快從優來處理那我知道溫王市嘉義這個部分目前申請案件是五千七百多件但最終核准到現在是一千七百多件左右那其中有一些是退件那有一些是因為可能還有一些存在一些不適格的問題那至於說為什麼 |
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申請數跟核准數會有這個落差那一定有它的原因出現我們請部長來做說明部長你們農糧署有跟你回報啦我想我跟委員報告就是委員所關切的最主要的一個問題就是農地的容許的部分它可能有一些 |
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違規的地方那我們也曾經想要用專案的方式去解套但是在討論的過程中在法規單位來講那個本身的最上位的法是沒辦法去處理的部分所以我們換一個方式就是我們主動協助縣市政府就是就他溫室本身如果沒有問題我們就應該可以同意不要去看其他的 |
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盡量去做這樣的一個切割啦所以現在的部分我想我已經有跟農糧署還有跟地方政府也經過溝通大家可以認同我不去處理整塊地我去處理溫室那個地方如果說它溫室本身沒有違規的部分的話我們就盡量的盡快同意這第一點 |
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第二點我也要求我們的農糧署把所有的申請案能夠上網我更希望用類似物流追蹤的方式讓我們的申請者能夠了解他申請的進度啦才不會說每天一直擔心說什麼時候可以好那這個部分我想農糧署也已經在做這樣子的一個系統規劃未來我想任何的申請案他都可以查到現在在哪一個階段以上 |
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所以部長是說你現在已經跟嘉義縣政府就是也成立一個專案願意只針對文廣市的這個部分就是來給予這個補助跟處理嘛對不對不是整塊土地整個合起來看嘛可以切割處理了嘛 |
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對 我是用這樣的一個方式去做溝通那你已經告訴嘉義縣政府了嗎沒有 嘉義縣政府這邊他也要問他們的法治的部分所以我想我們盡可能的那個部長 我跟你報告我開過協調會嘉義縣政府就是看中央主管機關只要你農業部同意 他們就照辦你不要再推回去給嘉義縣政府了對 我知道 我會用這個原則再去跟嘉義縣政府這邊做確認我也會通知農藥署你星期之內 好不好 |
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可以吧這件事情已經很久了我希望這些農民齁當時這個院長剛剛也特別提到我們那麼加速通過這一筆特別預算就是從寬從幽從速這些原則但是現在苦苦等不到這個補助款的這些可憐辛苦的農民們我覺得應該要被重視好不好盡快去處理好院長可以嗎 |
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謝謝委員 您應該知道陳部長是很會為農民來照顧農民權益的所以我今天才特別提出來他經常會想出一個好的方法來解決這個難以解決的問題只要農業部講出來有利於農民的行政院是全力支持好 那我希望你們全力以赴一星期之內跟嘉西縣政府達成共識不要讓這些農民再苦苦的在那邊等候我們要努力加油 |
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今天我看到我們經貿總談判代表楊珍妮總談判代表今天有出席了是不是院長我們可以請這個總談判代表也一起上台 |
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總諮詢的規定他是總談判代表不是政委他們都要有雙重身份總諮詢的規定應該是 應該可以剛剛陳經德主委他也是政委有雙重身份應該都可以上來因為我們今天是總諮詢他今天身份算政府委員但剛剛陳經德委員也是是工程會主委對啊 就是身兼兩職嘛那照這樣來講台灣總經貿談判代表也是可以接受諮詢的因為過去楊真理總談判代表也有來到過立法院 |
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我們正式是工程會主委、國發會主委跟國科會主委對,他們都有雙重身份,所以我想應該是可以的其他的經常會有一些工作上的分配,是沒有這樣的例子這我解釋一下,因為我們如果是針對上次談判的專案會議專案報告的時候那他用總談判代表的身份,那時候是可以備詢上台 |
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因為今天是總諮詢我有一個議題是跟經貿談判有關他可以提供資料,但他不上臺備詢不上臺嗎?他今天身份是政務委員因為外界都很想了解這個事件,如果可以,或者是楊政委是不是願意上臺? |
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不過我也請委員能夠體諒因為這件案子社會矚目行政院有非常的重視我們已經委由外聘的委員在展開這個職場相關的一些調查調查期間所有談判辦公室的人他對外的任何講話都可能成為調查一部分所以我們是認為如果能夠謹言慎行而且能夠檢查在這個地方引起討論或許是一個比較好的方式 |
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好 這個因為是外界非常的關注那既然這個楊貞妮政委就是沒有上台的話那院長我只好請教你了這個我們痛失了這個一位副總談判代表痛失這樣的經貿人才大家社會都覺得非常的惋惜那我們現在就來檢討這整個事情 |
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這個都是透過爆料者他提出來的但是去對比這個顏惠欣副總談判代表他所遞出的辭職信其實有些東西是吻合的首先我就請教院長你收到他的辭職信是不是2月19號我不是收到紙本我收到一個訊息傳真我不曉得是LINE還是什麼是由辦公室的同仁給我看的一個手機上面的資料 |
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那是辭職信完整的內容嗎?是,是辭職信也是完整的內容那你有好好的讀這個信的內容嗎?有有,那個時候2月19號就是過年年假的期間所以是2月19號嘛,你收到的簡訊內容就是辭職信我手機上收到的是2月19號的日子辭職信本身我記得沒有寫日期 |
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你2月19號收到那那個辭職信是更早嗎這個是我們人事行政總統你什麼時候收到的 |
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我是沒有收到這基本上是在院長辦公室收到2月19收到然後院長有看到這樣的一個資訊然後院長本來應該我在想應該是要慰留他嘛因為他表現也非常好尤其在台美談判的過程中這是一個非常對台灣非常重要的關鍵時刻那院長一方面希望他留下來繼續幫忙也請他好好的照顧身體 |
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基本上在這個前提下就是有這樣的一個過程因為報告委員他後面寫到說未來身體如果康復有需要他還是會竭盡來為國家服務所以我再接到這個實質性雖然是在過年的期間我還是請我的同仁趕快跟原副總談判代表說好好的養病珍惜自己的身體那希望他早日恢復再回到工作上面來 |
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他信的內容其實有特別提到就是說他的意見沒有獲得採納還遭受到嚴厲的駁斥指的就是楊真理總代表他並沒有寫哪一個人那現在你了解的是不是他 |
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不是 非常抱歉因為第一個這個是在年假的期間而且他身上那時候是不舒服的基於人性我沒有在第一時間去詢問他內容我只請他好好的珍惜保重身體再回來上班我們會再有機會再談 |
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之後他就一直還在請假當中所以當時看到這個信的內容一個是他有指出他的建議遭到嚴厲的駁斥另外一個就是CPTPP一直消極一對連一個工作小組都沒有就是院長讀到這些資訊的時候你那時候沒有想到進一步去了解到底發生什麼事吧或者是把楊真理總談判代表 |
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叫來問話一下就是說我辭職信有看到這些訊息你沒有去核對嗎當然過年幾年假期我是沒有去做任何的接觸那我看到這兩部分一部分CPTPP就政府而言我們持續在各種的場合面對任何的外賓或是國際場合我們都持續希望能夠協助我們進入這個CPTPP因為現在最重要的是是成員國的共識這個是現在唯一我們所欠缺的 |
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但是沒有方法也沒有計畫也沒有工作小組這個是顏慧欣副總談判代表他指出來的我也說過我們過去這一年雖然我們很大的力量跟時間是用在跟對面的談判但CPBWP這個工作我們還是持續的讓它存在是我們的目標性跟計畫性的這個目標當中 |
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好所以就是當時你只有想要慰留他你並沒有針對他辭職信的內容就是仔細去讀或者是去查證我當然有看內容我只說兩個一個是連假期間我當然不會就干擾他再來就是連假之後他還持續的請假我認為那個時候他還是以身體養他的身體為重那個時間你也沒有追查好那我們現在回過來檢討現在要開始追查了 |
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這個爆料人我發現他的訊息還蠻準確的第一個他講說立法院的這個會議都是這個言會心來但是就是赴美談判他被刻意排擠了赴美談判美方限制只有四個人員 |
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然後呢我今天要當面問院長的就是說這個四位人員是哪四位到底有沒有顏慧欣她到底有沒有去跟美國方面作為四位的談判代表之一有或沒有我只能跟委員報告 |
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談判的工作第一方面是由政府院長所領軍楊振宜政委是總談判代表當然是兩位是我們的主力那我們在所有重要的時節節點前後我們在院內都會召開各種的會議了解要去談的內容議題以及我們做什麼樣的決定但是在談判第一線的現場 |
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當然由現場的總指揮他們去執行包括人員包括現場情勢的應對或現場能夠解決的問題這個當然交由全線的指揮全權來處理我們在這裡沒有辦法去跟他說 |
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哪些人才能進到哪些的場合去這個到底是所以這件事你是完全授權鄭麗君副院長就是去統統我想一般的談判都是這樣子現場有現場的指揮系統所以你根本不知道成員有誰對不對他們有沒有告訴你說這四位成員有誰你之前到底知不知情在爆料者講之前你知不知道我們對美的談判代表他們帶了兩個紀錄人員寧可兩個紀錄人員一個名額也不要給副總談判代表 |
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這件事你知不知道因為他一定有另外的考量那這個部分未來在調查過程當中我希望委員如果有詢問他們會據時來答覆所以爆料者講的是真的對不對就是說這四位的談判代表有兩位記錄一位是正副院長一位是楊珍妮總談判代表就是沒有顏惠欣副總談判代表這個是事實對不對委員說爆料者所談的是真的這件事情我沒有辦法證實 |
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你到現在沒辦法證實有沒有說要進去不被進去或是被怎麼樣我只問你說這四位到底是誰是不是兩個紀錄加上鄭麗君加上楊真銘是不是就這四位我想基於談判的過程大家都知道政府院長跟楊政委楊總裁在兩位那其他的 |
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我覺得其他的應該交由調查去內容去處理原因我們當然不知道我也不需要院長去講因為你也不是當事人但是我只是要院長證實是不是這四位就是爆料者所說那現在看起來就是嘛那外界在質疑的就是為什麼沒有這樣的等號我覺得還是要調查啦 |
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你們到現在還掌握不到,你問副院長就坐在你旁邊,你問他一問就知道這四位,那有沒有說誰要進去後來不被要求出來原因理由我們先不講就是爆料者所言,就是這四位因為我是對照他講的,就是說 |
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這個有事副代表扛來立法院都是他來我查證了我整理出這個表格的確是從這個113年的11月一直到114年他請假之前都是由顏惠欣副代表來到立法院這個是沒有錯的我要請教這個院長就是說 |
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如果一個公務體系部門你今天也肯定顏惠欣副總談判代表能力很好她是經貿的人才那副美談判她去不了她去過但是她不是代表那四個的代表 |
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然後他又要負擔來立法院報告跟說明你認為未來你所帶領的行政院底下還會繼續發生這種就是如果有人上面長官試圖要架空他下面的部署有些職權把他拿掉責任讓他扛這種情況你允許未來再繼續發生嗎 |
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如果不是針對今天說的這個案任何人去架空別人那當然不應該發生在公務體系但我覺得這兩個字不要跟現在就扯扯在一起我知道你的原則嘛我問的是你的原則那當然是是嗎好像我我的工作我都非常倚重這個副院長還有張東海秘書長我們就說合理的分工我也相信在 |
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OTA裡面也是一樣合理的分工顏慧欣副總裁表是一個非常優秀的國際貿易的人才所以他來面對立法院做一些詢問的回答我認為這也是他專業專長之一應該表現得非常非常的專業這麼優秀的人才我相信他也希望在國際的舞台上面有他可以發揮的空間他既然這麼的優秀 |
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所以我也覺得現在大家要幫他報物品的是為什麼這麼優秀的人在這麼重要的市民我們對美談判的這個席次上面這麼珍貴為什麼他連一席都不給他也不讓他去代表所以今天我要要求院長這個個案一定要徹查清楚 |
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當我看到家屬這個不克領受就是政院要頒給這個顏慧欣副代表這樣的一等的功勳的時候我覺得家屬的心情某種程度可以體會完全了解我也完全體會他可能覺得女兒有受到委屈他可能覺得真相比這個功勳更重要所以這個真相我就問這個院長你什麼時候可以給家屬可以給社會大眾一個交代 |
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上個禮拜四我們已經請四位外聘委員組成這個調查委員會依照院內的規定調查委員會我們這次完全有外聘委員那他們在上禮拜五就開過視訊的會議總共有幾位外聘委員現在目前聘幾位這一次是四位有四位是四位好那他們在上個禮拜五也開過視訊會議有排定了後續的相關的期程跟議程怎麼去調查方式內容等等已經在展開了 |
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預計什麼時候完成依照我們的規定是兩個月內要完成調查必要時再延長當然我希望這個事情及早能夠讓家屬得到了解事實是好的所以我希望一個月內就要把這件事情調查清楚好不好不要再讓這件事情委員今天的表示調查委員都有聽到但法定給他們時間是兩個月以內越快越好然後針對這一個個案我有四點我提供給院長做參考謝謝 |
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霸凌個案最重要的是找到真相然後還原事實你才可以給這個被霸凌者真正的公道過去在勞發署所爆發的基層的公務員因為霸凌案輕生就是這樣處理的第一個我要求楊貞妮這個總談判代表她現在應該要暫時調離限制或請假 |
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這個就像你剛剛講的今天他現在任何的發言可能都會影響他下面這些被調查者就是到底敢不敢繼續講真話過去在勞發署案件的時候謝一榮我就是要求他要調離限職或暫時請假 |
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就是讓他下面的人敢說真話這是在霸凌案調查非常重要的一點特別是這個還牽涉到最高權位者的詮釋的問題所以這一點我希望這個院長你要注意到調查結果有沒有效 |
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能不能讓相關人講真話這個才是重點這件事情我希望可以做到第二個必須擴大調查範圍不是只有這個經貿辦過去在國貿局時代的同事還有經貿辦已經離職的同事還有外交部跟他互動的這個範圍你應該是要擴大你的全貿其實才會清楚這個部分我的要求第三個一定要保護好吹哨者 |
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經濟部技術師之前傳出來說還要追查吹哨者此風不可長我們今天是要還原真相如果有人還在私底下想要去找到說爆料者是誰還要加以報復我覺得這個真相就會石沉大海 |
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就會讓真正知道事情的人不敢出聲第四個就是我剛講的這件事情社會高度關注你應該用最快的時間最有效的方式去完成調查在一個月之內就完成這樣的一個調查這四點的訴求我要提供給院長參考可以嗎好 謝謝我都聽到了 |
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好 謝謝院長那最後我還要追問一個還有另外一案 一案未平 一案又起我們的駐美代表余大磊到底他的霸凌案件現在整個社會也是沸沸揚揚因為他已經不只第一次被爆料者講出這些訊息但是我看到外交部的態度非常的消極 |
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外交部說我們又沒有接到這個投訴所以我沒有辦法啟動調查我們的機制都在就是非常的官方但是院長我要提醒顏惠欣這個案子也不是透過正式的申訴管道但是因為爆料者指證非常的確實你們就啟動專案的調查了那我就請問余大雷案要不要正式立案調查 |
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他講出來的內容其實還蠻離譜的離譜的是說為了口腹之慾去解雇員工餐宴打包不合他意就把這個主管降為副主管還有他的夫人對於外交人員以止氣使這些都不應該是一個我們最大的這個駐美代表處應該展現出來的一個外交官該有的高度跟格局這件事情外交部不自己主動去了解嗎 |
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媒體都包成這樣子了報告委員那麼我們外交部那麼有良好的這個申訴的管道事實上你不要再重複同樣的話我就問你要不要立案調查 |
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我們不會根據傳言就來做這樣的一個調查那除非是有當事人正式的這個申訴所以就是不調查就對了好那我就請問院長那為什麼這個顏慧欣案你也主動說要立案調查那外交部這個案子你管得到嗎你可以叫他們調查嗎還是要總統下令 |
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外交事務當然是屬於總統之權但是這個人事上的行政行政院跟外交部還是一體的我們還是希望外交部能夠主動了解一下到底是不是有所誤解或是誤會如果當中有需要外交部來進行調解的部分所以應該主動去約產了解要找相關人員來了解過去也有一段這樣的一個過程嘛過去也有一些類似的那外交部也有經過了解之後有一些說明包括坐車啦 當然都有些說明 |
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那也能夠接受那這一次是新的市政他對於對於這一些解雇的員工或把人家降級都是因為這個餐點處理不好就大發雷霆然後把這個其他的外交官就是這樣子使喚來使喚去這個新的市政要不要再重新調查這個要經過了解否則這種情節是比較難以想像 |
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對啊 真的啊 大家沒辦法接受大家沒有辦法接受但是一位外交官身負國家重任的外交官怎麼會用這麼一個事情來做這樣的處理我們基本上都應該相信我們的外交官都是專業都是為國家在做事情的所以了解一下對當事人也是好的 |
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本席主張還是應該要調查外交部要不要去調查你至少要傳相關人員來瞭解吧我們遵從院長指示我們會去完整的好我希望你們也要深入去瞭解沒有就還給這個代表一個公道有的話這個完全不符合一個外交官該有的風範在那邊作威作福這是怎樣我們不是要我們的工廠要一個駐外代表在那邊作威作福然後把外交人員不當外交人員看這個我們是絕對不能接受的是 |
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因為我們外交部的立場一向也是要能夠維持一個友善的職場環境好 那你們趕快去了解跟國有公布你們了解的情況到底是怎麼樣 好不好好 接下來這個我要問的是現在大家民眾都很恐慌的這個今天的報紙可能這個這個院長應該看到我們現在連米價米的這個包裝連這個 |
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包裝袋就是又貴又缺貨這一波的民營醫戰爭川普總統他說一個月要結束一開始就說我們蘇州一個月結束現在結束不了這個院長你們有沒有做最壞的打算這個戰爭你們整個國安團隊評估還要持續多久 |
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無法評估這個戰爭雙方在膠著的狀態雖然一開始說兩到三週三到四週那現在看下去時間應該會更為超越我們當初的這個想像跟預期對所以也就是因為這樣子對於整體台灣的衝擊我覺得就是會比原來的預判又更嚴重 |
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現在在這樣的情況底下 上個禮拜是塑膠袋之亂去菜市場買這些塑膠袋也是缺貨到現在這個櫃子上面也是空空主要是上游的原料已稀 其實是大缺貨的一個情況所以原料缺貨 然後現在輻射出來連這個裝米的米袋可能就缺貨現在廠商不是擔心它貴的問題 |
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是上游的供貨直接給他減一半那以後我們就是要自己帶著鍋子去裝你這樣子所以這個的輻射的範圍是很大的我要請教院長的就是我們現在到底是如何的嚴正一帶我們現在這個一個禮拜我們開幾次會來討論這件事情 |
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基本上我們禮拜一的政務會議還有禮拜三政府院長組織的物價穩定小組的會議還有禮拜四的院會這三個是固定的其他我們還會不定期召開各種狀況那我跟委員報告兩件事情第一個油氣的部分因為二月二十八號發生戰爭之後油氣部分我們從三月四月穩定五月穩定現在到六月也幾乎是穩定 |
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都沒有問題嗎?到6月,6月只差一點點,我們現在再努力油氣大概都穩定,油比較沒有問題,是LNG的問題那另外現在看到的就是塑膠袋以及這個包裝米的包廠那這個是上油化工的製品它的乙烯,那我們現在是第一個要求中油它能夠恢復 |
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1567.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1589.25 |
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生產也請台塑也能夠恢復增加生產這樣的原物料出來以後那雙方經過協調之後應該在四月份馬上就可以把原物料生產出來我們就提供給這個製造廠商來做生產量可以有多大中油現在生產量一個月是六萬那如果經過這樣生產會增加到7.9萬至8萬之間應該增加兩萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1593.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1594.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
這件事情我是要提醒院長事實上他的影響程度不比這個新冠疫情 |
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1610.351 |
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1628.35 |
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來得更輕微其實嚴重程度可能是更高的為什麼因為這一個整個石油它的原物料它是最上游它輻射到了包括我們的半導體包括我們這一些的民生產業包括很多其他的然後它另外會帶動就是我們的物價的上漲 |
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1629.051 |
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1647.768 |
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這一波其實是很嚴峻的那我們常常說好想贏韓國在這件事情我覺得韓國他們的嚴正以待我也讓這個院長看我們應該是要更上緊發條來嚴肅看待這件事情韓國他們在3月25號清華臺他就成立了緊急經濟狀況室 |
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1649.85 |
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1669.377 |
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他的最高指揮是總統就是總統府總統主持緊急的經濟檢討會議那他是用這麼高的一個規格來看而且他的那個執行端主導者就是國務總理就等同是院長他是緊急經濟本部各部會首長都擔任組長他分了五大組 |
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1670.177 |
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1697.753 |
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就是在這個輻射的範圍他看到的是宏觀的經濟然後物價對應還有能源供應金融穩定民生福利還有海外情勢的管理他是透過由上而下很緊密的一個成立這樣的一個對策小組每一週固定開兩次會議你剛剛說行政院也有開會但你不是針對這件事你行政院要討論的事情很多我們的政務會議第一天禮拜一的一早的第一案就是這個會議 |
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1698.433 |
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1716.578 |
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你是第一案嘛他是這個小組都在討論這件事不是第一案我的意思就是說你是好幾案其中一案是這件事最重要的這一案對昨天早上公正案討論了將近兩個鐘頭對所以我覺得你應該要成立專門的跨部會的工作小組了而且定期的開會像 |
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1717.978 |
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1743.182 |
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那個韓國他其實是每週召開兩次會議我覺得你應該要這樣子做而且把你開會的結果就定期的行政院告訴大家你針對哪一個方面你做了什麼事情因應了哪些你這樣子定期的一個訊息的溝通跟你定期的會議我覺得會讓民眾是更安心知道行政院是有步驟有策略不是且戰且走的 |
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1743.502 |
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1771.093 |
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就是你是用一個很宏觀的很清楚的責任分工定期的開會告訴大家這一波的危機大家共同面對行政院有最壞的打算但是你們也有最完整的準備我希望你們可以做出這樣子而不是譬如說問一下這個央行央行回答一個然後問了誰回答一個就是各部會看起來我覺得現在是沒有統整的這件事情行政院可以做到嗎 |
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1771.912 |
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1797.618 |
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我們這個每週固定的會議之後我會定時跟不定時向總統回報重大的一個決定那現在我也決定要如何跟民眾了解因為時間拖這麼長大家會越來越焦慮我們勢必要做一個更清楚的工作讓民眾了解我覺得我們在防疫期間那樣的方式讓民眾取得安心是一個很好的方式我們會把它組成起來 |
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1798.049 |
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1822.524 |
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好 我覺得這個就是這一次的確挑戰是非常嚴峻的就是我本期看到就是真的是要嚴正以對各部會其實都要很嚴肅的看待這個問題我們不希望這一次的梅伊伊戰爭真的讓我們的物價就是上升太快然後台幣貶值太多然後我們的能源就是受到很嚴重的一個 |
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1829.414 |
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1840.073 |
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謝謝王委員 謝謝卓院長報告院會蔡其昌委員之質詢已書面提出 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:02.615000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:10.643000+08:00 |
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謝謝江副院長，有請卓院長、農業部陳部長及工程會陳金德主委上臺。 |
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0.964 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:11.705000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:13.567000+08:00 |
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卓院長、陳部長及陳主委請備詢。 |
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0.923 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:19.891000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:20.171000+08:00 |
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王委員好。 |
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1 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:20.972000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:21.312000+08:00 |
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院長好。 |
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1 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:21.592000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:34.922000+08:00 |
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院長，我要先幫嘉義縣的災民請命，丹娜絲風災到現在，你知不知道在嘉義縣還有一些農民的溫網室沒有得到任何的補助？ |
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0.9 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:35.562000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:38.224000+08:00 |
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主要是農業部的規定太嚴格。 |
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1 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:43:39.465000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:09.990000+08:00 |
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我在今年還下去跟這些農民進行座談，他們真的是很辛苦，溫網室被摧毀之後，因為農業部的一些相關法規是相對比較嚴格的，而且這塊土地如果有存在任何一些設施，就通通把它綁在一起，他的溫網室即使被摧毀了，他沒有改善就不給予補助，這個在嘉義縣義竹鄉還蠻嚴重的，還有很多農民到現在也不敢提案、也得不到補助。 |
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0.91 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:10.630000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:20.418000+08:00 |
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院長，我希望你今天主持公道，是不是這件事情可以讓農業部、陳主委回去後儘快地來幫這些農民解套，可以嗎？ |
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0.933 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:21.566000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:53.099000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員提醒，任何災害發生，我們都希望從速、從快、從優來處理，我知道嘉義縣溫網室這個部分目前申請案件是五千七百多件，但最終核准到現在是一千七百多件左右，其中有一些是退件，有一些是因為可能還存在一些不適格的問題，至於為什麼申請數跟核准數會有落差，一定有它的原因出現，我們請部長做說明。 |
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0.969 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:53.099000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:54.099000+08:00 |
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我簡單跟委員…… |
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0 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:53.199000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:54.501000+08:00 |
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部長，你們農糧署有跟你回報了嗎？ |
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0.857 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-31T10:44:55.983000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:45:28.908000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，委員所關切的最主要問題，就是農地的容許部分可能有一些違規的地方，我們也曾經想要用專案的方式去解套，但是在討論的過程中，在法制、法規單位來講，本身最上位的法是沒辦法去處理的部分，所以我們換一個方式，就是我們主動協助縣市政府，如果它的溫室本身沒有問題，我們就應該可以同意，不要去看其他的。對。 |
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0.949 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-31T10:45:29.548000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:45:42.100000+08:00 |
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儘量去做這樣的切割，所以現在這個部分我已經有跟農糧署，還有跟地方政府也經過溝通，大家都可以認同，我不去處理整塊地，我去處理溫室…… |
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0.931 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:45:42.100000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-31T10:45:43.100000+08:00 |
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對，針對溫網室來處理。 |
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0 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-31T10:45:42.440000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:45:48.586000+08:00 |
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那個地方如果溫室本身沒有違規的話，我們就儘量儘快同意，這是第一點。 |
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0.9 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-31T10:45:49.186000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:14.084000+08:00 |
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第二點，我也要求我們農糧署把所有的申請案上網，我更希望用類似物流追蹤的方式，讓我們的申請者能夠了解他申請的進度，才不會每天一直擔心什麼時候可以好，這個部分農糧署已經在做這樣子的系統規劃，未來我想任何的申請案都可以查到現在在哪一個階段。以上。 |
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1 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:14.764000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:25.635000+08:00 |
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好，所以部長是說你現在已經跟嘉義縣政府成立了一個專案，願意只針對溫網室的部分給予補助跟處理，對不對？ |
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0.891 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:25.635000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:26.635000+08:00 |
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對，我們一定以這個方向。 |
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0 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:25.635000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:29.179000+08:00 |
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不是整塊土地、整個合起來看，可以切割處理了，對不對？ |
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0.864 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:30.279000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:32.500000+08:00 |
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對，我是用這樣的方式去做溝通，但是…… |
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0.867 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:32.920000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:34.780000+08:00 |
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你已經告訴嘉義縣政府了嗎？ |
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1 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:34.780000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:39.681000+08:00 |
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沒有，嘉義縣政府也要問他們法制的部分，所以我想我們儘可能地…… |
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0.889 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:39.901000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:50.623000+08:00 |
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部長，我跟你報告，我開過協調會，嘉義縣政府就是看中央主管機關，只要你農業部同意，他們就照辦，你不要再推回去給嘉義縣政府了。 |
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1 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:50.683000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:55.564000+08:00 |
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對，我知道，我會用這個原則再去跟嘉義縣政府做確認，我也會通知農糧署。 |
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0.967 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:55.904000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:56.904000+08:00 |
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一星期之內，好不好？ |
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0.875 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:57.644000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:58.024000+08:00 |
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可以吧？可以。 |
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0.6 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T10:46:58.404000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T10:47:18.412000+08:00 |
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這件事情已經很久了，我希望這些農民……院長剛剛也特別提到，我們當時加速通過這筆特別預算，就是以從寬、從優、從速這些原則，但是現在卻苦苦等不到補助款，這些可憐、辛苦的農民們，我覺得應該要被重視，儘快去處理，好不好？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:18.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:19.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
院長，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:19.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:23.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
謝謝委員，你應該知道陳部長是很會為農民、照顧農民權益的。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:23.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:26.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
對啊，所以我今天才特別提出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:26.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:33.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
所以他會儘可能想出一個好的方法來解決這個難以解決的問題，只要農業部講出來，有利於農民的，行政院是全力支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:33.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:41.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
好，我希望你們全力以赴，一星期之內跟嘉義縣政府達成共識，不要讓這些農民苦苦地在那邊等候。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:41.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:42.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我們會努力加油。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:42.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:43.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:43.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:44.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
部長、陳金德政委先請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:44.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:45.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
接下來，我要問的就是現在社會高度矚目的霸凌議題。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-31T10:47:43.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-31T10:47:48.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
今天我看到我們經貿總談判代表楊珍妮有出席，院長，我們是不是可以請總談判代表也一起上臺？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:09.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:09.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
總質詢的規定…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:09.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:13.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
他是總談判代表，不是政委身分，他們都有雙重身分。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:13.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:14.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
總質詢規定應該是首長…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:15.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:18.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
這個應該可以，剛剛陳金德主委也是政委，有雙重身分應該都可以上臺。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:18.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:24.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
王委員，因為我們今天是總質詢，他今天的身分算是政務委員，可以提供意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.548 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:24.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:25.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
但剛剛陳金德政委也是。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:26.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:26.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
他是工程會主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:27.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:36.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
對啊，就是身兼兩職嘛，照道理來講，臺灣總經貿談判代表也是可以接受質詢，因為過去楊珍妮總談判代表也有到過立法院。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:37.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:40.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我們正式是工程會主委、國發會主委跟國科會主委…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:41.005000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:43.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
對，他們都有雙重身分，所以我想應該是可以的。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:44.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-31T10:48:47.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
其他的經常會有一些工作上的分配，是沒有這樣的例子，請主席裁示。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-31T10:48:47.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-31T10:49:02.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
這個我要解釋一下，上次的經貿談判專案會議、專案報告的時候，他是用總談判代表的身分，那時候他是可以上臺備詢的，但因為今天是總質詢，他身分…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.738 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-31T10:49:02.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-31T10:49:05.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我有一個議題是跟經貿談判有關的。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-31T10:49:05.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-31T10:49:09.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
他可以提供資料，但他不上臺備詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-31T10:49:09.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-31T10:49:09.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
不上臺嗎？本人…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-31T10:49:09.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-31T10:49:12.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
對，他今天的身分是政務委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-31T10:49:12.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-31T10:49:18.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
因為外界都很想了解這個事件，如果可以，或者楊政委是不是願意上臺？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-31T10:49:20+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-31T10:49:38.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我請委員能夠體諒，因為這件案子社會矚目，行政院也非常重視，我們已經委由外聘的委員在展開職場相關的一些調查，調查期間所有談判辦公室的人對外講的任何話都可能成為調查的一部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-31T10:49:38.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-31T10:49:44.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
所以我們是認為，如果能夠謹言慎行，而且能夠減少在這個地方引起討論，或許是一個比較好的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-31T10:49:45.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-31T10:49:54.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
好，因為這個外界非常的關注，既然楊珍妮政委沒有上臺的話，院長，我只好請教你了。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-31T10:49:55.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:18.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我們痛失了一位副總談判代表，痛失這樣的經貿人才，社會大家都覺得非常惋惜，所以我們現在就來檢討這整個事情，這個都是透過爆料者提出來的，但是去對比顏慧欣副總談判代表所遞出的辭職信，其實有些東西是吻合的。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:19.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:24.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
首先我請教院長，你收到他的辭職信是不是在2月19號？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:24.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:34.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我不是收到紙本，我是收到一個訊息傳真，我不曉得是LINE還是什麼，是由辦公室的同仁給我看的一個手機上面的資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:34.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:38.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
那是辭職信完整的內容嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:38.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:38.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
是，是辭職信。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:38.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:42.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
是完整的內容，那你當時有好好的讀信的內容嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:42.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:48.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
有，因為2月19號應該就是過年連假的期間。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:48.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:51.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
所以是2月19號，你收到的簡訊內容就是辭職信的內容？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:52.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:57.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我手機上收到是2月19號，辭職信本身我記得沒有寫日期。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:58.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-31T10:50:59.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
你2月19號收到？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-31T10:50:59.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-31T10:51:00.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
對，我收到的。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-31T10:51:00.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-31T10:51:01.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
那個辭職信是更早嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-31T10:51:02.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-31T10:51:05.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
這個是我們人事行政總處？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-31T10:51:05.049000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-31T10:51:06.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
對，人事長。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-31T10:51:05.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-31T10:51:05.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
你什麼時候收到的？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
蘇人事長俊榮 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-31T10:51:10.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-31T10:51:32.022000+08:00 |
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我是沒有收到，基本上院長辦公室是2月19日收到，然後院長有看到這樣的一個資訊，我在想院長本來應該是要慰留他，因為他表現也非常好，尤其在臺美談判的過程中，這是對臺灣非常重要的關鍵時刻。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
蘇人事長俊榮 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-31T10:51:33.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-31T10:51:45.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
院長一方面希望他留下來繼續幫忙，也請他好好的照顧身體，基本上在這個前提下，有這樣的一個過程。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-31T10:51:46.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:05.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
報告委員，他後面寫到，未來身體如果康復，有需要他還是會竭盡來為國家服務，所以我接到這個辭職信，雖然是在過年的期間，我還是請我的同仁趕快跟顏副總談判代表說好好的養病，珍惜自己的身體，希望他早日恢復再回到工作上面來。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:06.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:17.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
他信的內容其實有特別提到，他的意見沒有獲得採納，還遭受到嚴厲的駁斥，指的就是楊珍妮總談判代表…… |
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0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:17.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:19.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
他並沒有寫是哪一個人、他沒有寫。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:19.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:20.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
他沒有寫？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:19.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:21.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
那現在你了解的是不是他？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:22.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:23.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
不是，非常抱歉。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:23.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:24.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
所有的證據都指向是他。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:23.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:38.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
因為第一個，這個是在連假的期間，而且他身體那時候是不舒服的，基於人性，我沒有在第一時間去詢問他內容，我只請他好好的珍惜保重身體再回來上班，我們有機會再談。 |
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0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:39.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:41.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
但之後他一直還在請假當中，從連假之後我都沒有辦法跟他…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.44 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:44.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-31T10:52:59.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
所以當時你看到這個信的內容，一個是他有指出他的建議遭到嚴厲的駁斥，另外一個就是CPTPP一直消極以對，連一個工作小組都沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-31T10:52:59.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-31T10:53:05.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
院長，你讀到這些資訊的時候，你那時候沒有想到要進一步去了解到底發生什麼事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-31T10:53:05.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-31T10:53:14.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
或者是把楊珍妮總談判代表叫來問話一下，就是你在辭職信有看到這些訊息，你沒有去核對嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-31T10:53:14.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-31T10:53:31.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
當然過年連假期間我是沒有去做任何的接觸，但我看到這兩部分，一部分CPTPP就政府而言，我們持續在各種的場合，面對任何的外賓或是國際場合，都持續希望能夠協助我們進入CPTPP，因為現在最重要的是…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-31T10:53:31.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-31T10:53:32.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
當然，但是就是沒有工作小組。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-31T10:53:32.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-31T10:53:35.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
是成員國的共識，這個是現在唯一我們所欠缺的，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-31T10:53:35.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-31T10:53:41.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
但是沒有方法，也沒有計畫，也沒有工作小組，這個是顏慧欣副總談判代表指出來的。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-31T10:53:41.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-31T10:53:54.015000+08:00 |
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我也說過我們過去這一年，雖然我們很大的力量跟時間是用在跟對美的談判，但CPTPP這個工作我們還是持續地讓它存在我們計畫性的目標當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-31T10:53:56.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-31T10:54:04.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
好，所以當時你只有想要慰留他，你並沒有針對他辭職信的內容仔細去讀，或者是去查證到底他所言…… |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
卓院長榮泰：我當然有看內容、有看內容，我只說兩個 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-31T10:54:06.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-31T10:54:17.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
一個是連假期間，我當然不會去干擾他；再來就是連假之後他還持續地請假，我認為那個時候他還是以安養身體為重，所以就沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-31T10:54:17.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-31T10:54:18.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
所以沒有追查，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-31T10:54:18.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-31T10:54:19.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
後來到…… |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-31T10:54:18.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-31T10:54:29.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
好，那個時間點沒有追查，我們現在回過來檢討，現在要開始追查了，這個爆料人我發現他的訊息還滿準確的。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-31T10:54:29.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-31T10:54:52.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
第一個，他講立法院的會議都是顏慧欣來，但是赴美談判他被刻意排擠了，赴美談判美方限制只有四個人員，我今天要當面問院長，這四位人員是哪四位？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-31T10:54:53.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-31T10:54:55.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
到底有沒有顏慧欣？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-31T10:54:56.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-31T10:55:02.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
他到底有沒有作為四位談判代表之一去跟美國方面，有或沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.577 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-31T10:55:03.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-31T10:55:45.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
跟委員報告，談判的工作第一方面是由鄭副院長所領軍、楊珍妮政委是總談判代表，兩位當然是我們的主力，我們在所有重要的節點前後，院內都會召開各種會議去了解要談的內容、議題以及要做什麼樣的決定，但是在談判第一線的現場，當然由現場的總指揮去執行，包括人員、現場情勢的應對或現場能夠解決的問題，這個當然交由前線的指揮全權來處理，我們在這裡沒有辦法去跟他說哪些人才能進到哪些場合，這個不是我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-31T10:55:45.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-31T10:55:51.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
所以這件事情是完全授權鄭麗君副院長去統籌？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-31T10:55:51.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-31T10:55:53.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
一般談判都是這樣子，現場有現場的指揮系統。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-31T10:55:53.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-31T10:55:57.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
所以你根本不知道成員有誰，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-31T10:55:57.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:00.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
他們有沒有告訴你這四位成員有誰，你之前到底知不知情？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:00.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:11.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
在爆料者講之前，你知不知道我們對美的談判代表帶了兩個紀錄人員，寧可兩個紀錄人員，一個名額也不要給副總談判代表，這件事你知不知情？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:11.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:20.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
不是，因為他一定有另外的考量，這個部分，未來在調查過程當中，我希望委員如果有所詢問，他們會據實來答復，目前…… |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:21.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:23.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
所以爆料者講的是真的，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:23.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:34.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
就是這四位談判代表，有兩位紀錄、一位是鄭副院長、一位是楊珍妮總談判代表，就是沒有顏慧欣副總談判代表，這個是事實，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:34.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:38.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
委員說爆料者所談的是真的，這件事情我沒有辦法證實，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:39.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:40.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
你到現在沒辦法證實？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:40.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:44.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
有沒有說要進去而不被進去或是被怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:44.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:45.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
那個我沒辦法回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:44.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:46.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
我只問你這四位到底是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:46.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:50.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
是不是兩個紀錄，加上鄭麗君、加上楊珍妮，是不是就這四位？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:51.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:55.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
我想基於談判的過程，大家都知道鄭副院長跟楊總談判代表兩位…… |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:55.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-03-31T10:56:56.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
所以就是嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-03-31T10:56:56.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:00.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
其他的，我覺得其他的應該要調查內容再去處理，不要…… |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:01.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:07.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
我們當然不知道原因，我也不需要院長去講，因為你也不是當事人，但是我只是要院長證實是不是這四位？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:07.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:13.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
就是爆料者所說的，現在看起來就是嘛，外界在質疑的就是為什麼…… |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:13.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:15.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
不能這樣，沒有這樣的等號，我覺得還是要調查，是這四位…… |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.652 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:16.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:19.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
你們到現在還掌握不到，你問副院長…… |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:19.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:20.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
不是，這四位…… |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:19.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:21.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
副院長就坐在你旁邊，你問他，一問就知道了。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:22.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:25.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
這四位，有沒有誰要進去，後來被要求出來，這個要去調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:25.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:50.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
原因、理由我們先不講，爆料者所言就是這四位，因為我是對照他講的有事副代表扛，要來立法院都是由他來，我查證並整理出這個表格，的確是，他從113年11月一直到114年請假之前，都是由顏慧欣副代表來到立法院，這個是沒有錯的。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:50.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-03-31T10:57:51.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
顏副總談判代表有跟我講…… |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-03-31T10:57:51.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-03-31T10:58:06.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
我要請教院長，如果一個公務體系部門，你今天也肯定顏慧欣副總談判代表能力很好、是經貿人才，赴美談判他去不了，他沒有辦法…… |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-03-31T10:58:08.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-03-31T10:58:09.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
他去過。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-03-31T10:58:09.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-03-31T10:58:30.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
對，但是他不是那四個的代表，然後他又要負擔來立法院報告跟說明，你認為未來你所帶領的行政院底下，還會繼續發生這種如果有上面長官試圖要架空他下面的部屬，有些職權把他拿掉，責任讓他扛，這種情況你允許未來再繼續發生嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-03-31T10:58:31.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-03-31T10:58:40.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
如果不是針對今天說的這個個案，任何人去架空別人，當然不應該發生在公務體系，但我覺得這兩個字不要跟現在扯在一起，現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-03-31T10:58:41.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-03-31T10:58:43.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
我知道，我問的是你的原則。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-03-31T10:58:43.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-03-31T10:58:44.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
當然是。是嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-03-31T10:58:45.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-03-31T10:58:56.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
像我的工作都非常倚重副院長，還有張惇涵秘書長，我們就做合理的分工，我也相信在OTN裡面也是一樣合理的分工。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-03-31T10:58:57.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-03-31T10:59:09.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
顏慧欣副總談判代表是一位非常優秀的國際貿易人才，所以他來面對立法院做一些詢問的回答，我認為這也是他的專長之一，應該表現得非常、非常專業。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-03-31T10:59:09.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-03-31T10:59:15.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
這麼優秀的人才，我相信他也希望在國際舞臺上面有他可以發揮的空間，他既然這麼的優秀。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-03-31T10:59:16.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-03-31T10:59:30.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
所以我也覺得現在大家幫他抱不平的是，為什麼這麼優秀的人，在這麼重要的四名機會，我們對美談判的席次上面，這麼珍貴，為什麼連一席都不給他，也不讓他去代表？ |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-03-31T10:59:30.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-03-31T10:59:33.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
所以今天我要求院長…… |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-03-31T10:59:33.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-03-31T10:59:34.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
據我所知，他也出去談判過、也參與過。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-03-31T10:59:33.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-03-31T10:59:51.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
這個個案一定要徹查清楚，當我看到家屬不克領受行政院要頒給顏慧欣副代表一等功勳的時候，我覺得在某種程度可以體會家屬的心情。 |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-03-31T10:59:51.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-03-31T10:59:53.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
完全了解，我也完全體會。 |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-03-31T10:59:53.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:04.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
他可能覺得女兒有受到委屈，他可能覺得真相比功勳更重要，所以我就問院長，你什麼時候可以給家屬真相？ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:04.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:05.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
可以給社會大眾一個交代？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:05.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:17.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
上個禮拜四，我們已經請四位外聘委員組成調查委員會，依照院內的規定，調查委員會這次完全由外聘委員組成，他們在上禮拜五就開過視訊會議。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:17.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:17.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
總共有幾位？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:18.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:19.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
外聘委員目前聘幾位？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:20.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:21.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
這次是四位。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:21.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:22.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
有四位？ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:22.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:22.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
對，是四位。 |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:23.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:33.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
他們在上個禮拜五也開過視訊會議，有排定後續相關的期程跟議程，怎麼去調查、方式、內容等等，已經在展開了。 |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:34.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:34.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
預計什麼時候完成？ |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:35.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:45.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
依照我們的規定是兩個月內要完成調查，必要時再延長，當然我希望及早能夠讓家屬了解事實是好的。 |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:45.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-03-31T11:00:48.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
我希望一個月內就要把這件事情調查清楚，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-03-31T11:00:48.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:00:49.812000+08:00 |
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不要讓這件事情繼續再燒下去。 |
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0.538 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-31T11:00:51.633000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:00:56.696000+08:00 |
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委員今天的表示，調查委員都有聽到，但法定給他們時間是兩個月以內。 |
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1 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:00:56.696000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:00:57.497000+08:00 |
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越快越好。好的。 |
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0.667 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:00:58.918000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:01:02.640000+08:00 |
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針對這一個個案，我有四點提供給院長做參考。謝謝。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:01:03.421000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:01:11.843000+08:00 |
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霸凌個案最重要的是找到真相、還原事實，你才可以給被霸凌者真正的公道。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:01:12.403000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:01:18.144000+08:00 |
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過去在勞發署所爆發基層公務員因為霸凌案輕生，就是這樣處理的。 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:01:18.384000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:01:36.335000+08:00 |
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第一個，我要求楊珍妮總談判代表現在應該要暫時調離現職或請假，就像你剛剛講的，他現在任何的發言可能都會影響他下面被調查者到底敢不敢繼續講真話。 |
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0.955 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:01:36.335000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:02:02.799000+08:00 |
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過去在勞發署案件的時候，我就是要求謝宜容要調離現職或暫時請假，就是讓他下面的人敢說真話，這是在霸凌案調查非常重要的一點，特別是還牽涉到最高權位者權勢的問題，所以這一點，我希望院長要注意到調查結果有沒有效、能不能讓相關的人講真話，這個才是重點，這件事情我希望可以做到。 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:02:03.059000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:02:21.682000+08:00 |
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第二個必須擴大調查範圍，不是只有這個經貿辦，過去在國貿局時代的同事、經貿辦已經離職的同事，還有外交部跟他互動的人，範圍你應該要擴大，全貌才會清楚，這個部分是我的要求。 |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:02:21.862000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:02:46.276000+08:00 |
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第三個一定要保護好吹哨者，經濟部技術司之前傳出來要追查吹哨者，此風不可長，我們今天是要還原真相，如果有人還在私底下想要去找爆料者是誰，還要加以報復，我覺得真相就會石沉大海，就會讓真正知道事情的人不敢出聲。 |
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| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-03-31T11:02:46.276000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:02:56.563000+08:00 |
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第四個就是我剛剛講的，這件事情社會高度關注，你應該用最快的時間、最有效的方式去完成調查，在一個月之內就完成調查。 |
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0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-03-31T11:02:57.143000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:03:00.625000+08:00 |
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這四點訴求，我要提供給院長參考，可以嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-03-31T11:03:00.625000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:03:01.086000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝，我都聽到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-03-31T11:03:03.032000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:03:03.853000+08:00 |
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謝謝院長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-03-31T11:03:04.013000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:03:23.187000+08:00 |
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最後我還要追問一個……還有另外一案，一案未平一案又起，我們駐美代表俞大㵢的霸凌案件，現在整個社會也是沸沸揚揚，因為他已經不只第一次被爆料者講出這些訊息，但是我看到外交部的態度非常消極。 |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-03-31T11:03:24.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:03:31.272000+08:00 |
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外交部說，我們又沒有接到投訴，所以沒有辦法啟動調查，但我們的機制都在。 |
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0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-03-31T11:03:31.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:03:44.659000+08:00 |
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就是非常的官方，我要提醒院長，顏慧欣這個案子也不是透過正式的申訴管道，但是因為爆料者指證非常確實，你們就啟動專案調查了。 |
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0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-03-31T11:03:45.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-03-31T11:03:48.662000+08:00 |
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那我就請問俞大㵢案要不要正式立案調查？ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-03-31T11:03:49.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:04:16.222000+08:00 |
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他講出來的內容其實還滿離譜的，離譜的是說，為了口腹之慾解僱員工；餐宴打包不合他意，就把主管降為副主管；還有他的夫人對於外交人員頤指氣使，這些都不應該是我們最大的駐美代表處、一個外交官該應該展現出來的高度跟格局，這件事情外交部不自己主動去了解嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:18.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-03-31T11:04:19.671000+08:00 |
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媒體都爆成這樣子了。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:20.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-03-31T11:04:25.355000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們外交部有良好的申訴管道，事實上…… |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:25.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:04:28.538000+08:00 |
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你不要再重複同樣的話，我就問你要不要立案調查？ |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:29.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-03-31T11:04:37.433000+08:00 |
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我們不會根據傳言來做調查，除非是由當事人正式申訴…… |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:37.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:04:38.813000+08:00 |
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所以就是不調查就對了！ |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:39.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:04:45.296000+08:00 |
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好，那我就請問院長，為什麼顏慧欣案你主動說要立案調查？ |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:45.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-03-31T11:04:48.038000+08:00 |
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外交部這個案子你管得到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:48.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-03-31T11:04:49.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
你可以叫他們調查嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:49.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-03-31T11:04:50.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
還是要總統下令？ |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-03-31T11:04:51.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-03-31T11:05:03.957000+08:00 |
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外交事務當然屬於總統職權，但是人事行政上，行政院跟外交部還是一體的，我們還是希望外交部能夠主動了解一下到底是不是有所誤解或是誤會？ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-03-31T11:05:03.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:05:06.859000+08:00 |
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如果當中有需要外交部進行調解的部分，也應該…… |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-03-31T11:05:07.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:05:10.961000+08:00 |
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所以應該主動去約談、了解，要找相關人員來了解，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-03-31T11:05:11.341000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:05:20.867000+08:00 |
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會，過去也有類似這樣的過程，外交部經過了解之後有一些說明，包括座車等等都有一些說明，也能夠接受。 |
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0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-03-31T11:05:21.188000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:05:37.477000+08:00 |
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這一次是新的事證，他對於這些解僱的員工或把人家降級，都是因為餐點處理不好就大發雷霆，把其他的外交官使喚來、使喚去，這個新的事證要不要再重新調查？ |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-03-31T11:05:38.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:05:41.399000+08:00 |
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要經過了解，否則這樣情節是比較難以想像，因為餐點的問題難以想像…… |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0.586 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-03-31T11:05:42.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:05:43.891000+08:00 |
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對啊，大家沒辦法接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-03-31T11:05:45.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:05:51.297000+08:00 |
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但是因為身負國家重任的外交官，怎麼會這樣的事情做這樣的處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-03-31T11:05:51.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
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2026-03-31T11:05:58.743000+08:00 |
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我們基本上都應該相信我們外交官都是專業為國家在做事情的，所以了解一下對當事人也是好的。 |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-03-31T11:05:59.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-03-31T11:06:02.285000+08:00 |
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本席主張還是應該要調查，外交部要不要去調查？ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-03-31T11:06:02.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-03-31T11:06:04.846000+08:00 |
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你至少要傳相關人員來了解吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-03-31T11:06:05.066000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:06:08.308000+08:00 |
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我們遵從院長指示，我們會完整了解。 |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-03-31T11:06:08.428000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:06:19.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].text |
好，我希望你們要深入去了解，沒有就還給這個代表一個公道，有的話，這完全不符合一個外交官該有的風範，在那邊作威作福是怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-03-31T11:06:19.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-03-31T11:06:27.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
我們不要我們的公帑雇用一個駐外代表在那邊作威作福，把外交人員不當外交人員看，我們是絕對不能接受的，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-03-31T11:06:27.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-03-31T11:06:33.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
是，我們外交部立場一向也是要維持一個友善的職場環境。 |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-03-31T11:06:33.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2026-03-31T11:06:35.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
好，你們趕快去了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
陳次長明祺 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-03-31T11:06:35.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2026-03-31T11:06:36.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].text |
不管在國內還是國外都一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2026-03-31T11:06:35.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2026-03-31T11:06:38.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
跟國人公布你們了解的情況到底是怎麼樣，好不好？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-03-31T11:06:39.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-03-31T11:07:06.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
接下來，我要問的是現在民眾都很恐慌的，這是今天的報紙院長應該有看到，現在米的包裝袋又貴又缺貨，這一波美、以、伊戰爭，川普總統一開始就說我們數週、一個月結束，現在結束不了。 |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-03-31T11:07:07.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2026-03-31T11:07:10.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
院長，你們有沒有做最壞的打算？ |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-03-31T11:07:12.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-03-31T11:07:14.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
這個戰爭你們國安團隊評估還要持續多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-03-31T11:07:15.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2026-03-31T11:07:28.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
無法評估，戰爭雙方在膠著的狀態，雖然一開始說兩到三週、三到四週，現在看起來時間應該會更超越我們當初的想像跟預期。 |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
0.961 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-03-31T11:07:28.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-03-31T11:08:12.610000+08:00 |
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對，也就是因為這樣，對於整體臺灣的衝擊，我覺得會比原來的預判更嚴重，這樣的情況下，上個禮拜是塑膠袋之亂，去菜市場買這些塑膠袋缺貨，到現在櫃子上面還是空空，主要是上游的原料乙烯大缺貨的情況，所以原料缺貨，現在輻射出來，連裝米的米袋都可能缺貨，現在廠商不是擔心貴的問題，是上游的供貨直接減一半，那以後我們就要自己帶著鍋子去裝米，所以輻射的範圍是很大的。 |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2026-03-31T11:08:13.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2026-03-31T11:08:17.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
我要請教院長，你們現在到底如何嚴陣以待？ |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2026-03-31T11:08:19.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2026-03-31T11:08:21.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].text |
現在一個禮拜你們開幾次會來討論這件事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[205].start |
2026-03-31T11:08:23.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[205].end |
2026-03-31T11:08:37.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].text |
基本上，我們禮拜一的政務會議、禮拜三鄭副院長主持的物價穩定小組會議還有禮拜四院會，這三個是固定的，其他我們還會不定期召開因應各種狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[205].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[206].start |
2026-03-31T11:08:37.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[206].end |
2026-03-31T11:08:46.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].text |
我跟委員報告兩件事情，第一個油氣的部分，因為2月28號發生戰爭之後，油氣部分我們從3月、4月、5月穩定，現在到6月也幾乎是穩定。 |
| transcript.gazette[206].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[207].start |
2026-03-31T11:08:47.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[207].end |
2026-03-31T11:08:49.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].text |
供應來源都沒有問題嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[207].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[208].start |
2026-03-31T11:08:49.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[208].end |
2026-03-31T11:08:55.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].text |
6月只差一點點，我們現在在努力，油氣大概是穩定，油比較沒有問題，是LNG的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[208].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[209].start |
2026-03-31T11:08:55.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[209].end |
2026-03-31T11:09:03.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].text |
另外，現在看到塑膠袋以及包裝米的包材，這是上游化工的製品，它的乙烯，我們現在是…… |
| transcript.gazette[209].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[210].start |
2026-03-31T11:09:03.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[210].end |
2026-03-31T11:09:04.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].text |
乙烯很缺。 |
| transcript.gazette[210].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[211].start |
2026-03-31T11:09:04.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[211].end |
2026-03-31T11:09:22.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].text |
我們現在第一個要求中油恢復生產，也請台塑也恢復增加生產原物料，雙方經過協調後應該在4月份馬上就可以把原物料生產出來，我們就提供給製造廠商。 |
| transcript.gazette[211].quality |
0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[212].start |
2026-03-31T11:09:22.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[212].end |
2026-03-31T11:09:23.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].text |
生產量可以多大？ |
| transcript.gazette[212].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2026-03-31T11:09:23.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[213].end |
2026-03-31T11:09:28.837500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].text |
中油乙烯的生產量有多大？ |
| transcript.gazette[213].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[214].start |
2026-03-31T11:09:28.837500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[214].end |
2026-03-31T11:09:34.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].text |
中油已經增加生產量，原本一個月生產量是6萬，如果生產增加會到7.9萬至8萬之間，應該多增加2萬；但台塑部分增加的量還沒有那麼多，我們再持續協調，對中油我們是可以直接要求更多，台塑我們除了協調、要求，也要配合它整個商業…… |
| transcript.gazette[214].quality |
0.298 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[215].start |
2026-03-31T11:09:34.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[215].end |
2026-03-31T11:09:51.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].text |
這件事情我要提醒院長，事實上它的影響程度不比新冠疫情來得更輕微。 |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2026-03-31T11:09:51.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[216].end |
2026-03-31T11:09:52.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].text |
因為時間很長。 |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2026-03-31T11:09:52.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[217].end |
2026-03-31T11:09:56.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].text |
其實嚴重程度可能是更高的，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[217].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[218].start |
2026-03-31T11:09:56.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[218].end |
2026-03-31T11:10:11.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].text |
因為整個石油原物料是最上游的，所輻射到的包括我們半導體、一些民生產業及很多其他的產業，另外會帶動物價的上漲，這一波是很嚴峻的。 |
| transcript.gazette[218].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[219].start |
2026-03-31T11:10:12.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[219].end |
2026-03-31T11:10:24.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].text |
我們常常說好想贏韓國，針對在這件事情，我覺得韓國是嚴陣以待的，我們應該要更上緊發條來嚴肅看待這件事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[220].start |
2026-03-31T11:10:25.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[220].end |
2026-03-31T11:10:50.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].text |
我也讓院長看一下，韓國在3月25日青瓦台就成立了緊急經濟狀況室，它的最高指揮是總統，就是總統府總統主持緊急經濟檢討會議，它是用這麼高的規格來看，而且它執行端的主導者就是國務總理，就等同是院長，它的緊急經濟本部是由各部會首長來擔任組長，它分了五大組。 |
| transcript.gazette[220].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[221].start |
2026-03-31T11:10:51.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[221].end |
2026-03-31T11:11:15.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].text |
在這個輻射的範圍，它看到的分別是宏觀經濟與物價對應、能源供應、金融穩定、民生福利及海外情勢管理，它是透過由上而下很緊密地成立這樣的對策小組，每一週固定開兩次會議，你剛剛說行政院也有開會，但你不是針對這件事，行政院要討論的事情很多…… |
| transcript.gazette[221].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[222].start |
2026-03-31T11:11:15.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[222].end |
2026-03-31T11:11:18.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].text |
我們政務會議在每週第一天，禮拜一的一早第一案就是這個。 |
| transcript.gazette[222].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[223].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[223].start |
2026-03-31T11:11:19.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[223].end |
2026-03-31T11:11:20.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].text |
你是第一案嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[223].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[224].start |
2026-03-31T11:11:21.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[224].end |
2026-03-31T11:11:26.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].text |
這一個小組都在討論這件事，不是第一案；我的意思是說你是好幾案，其中一案是這件事…… |
| transcript.gazette[224].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[225].start |
2026-03-31T11:11:27.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[225].end |
2026-03-31T11:11:28.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].text |
最重要的這一案。 |
| transcript.gazette[225].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[226].start |
2026-03-31T11:11:29.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[226].end |
2026-03-31T11:11:29.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].text |
對，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[227].start |
2026-03-31T11:11:29.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[227].end |
2026-03-31T11:11:31.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].text |
昨天早上光這案就討論將近2個鐘頭。 |
| transcript.gazette[227].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[228].start |
2026-03-31T11:11:31.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[228].end |
2026-03-31T11:11:52.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].text |
所以我覺得你應該要成立專門跨部會的工作小組，而且要定期開會，像韓國是每週召開2次會議，我覺得你應該要這樣做，而且把你行政院開會的結果，定期告訴大家，你針對哪一個方面做了什麼事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[228].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[229].start |
2026-03-31T11:11:52.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[229].end |
2026-03-31T11:11:53.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].text |
因應了哪些？ |
| transcript.gazette[229].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[230].start |
2026-03-31T11:11:54.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[230].end |
2026-03-31T11:12:18.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].text |
你這樣定期的訊息溝通跟定期的會議，我覺得會讓民眾更安心，知道行政院是有步驟、有策略，不是且戰且走的，就是你用一個很宏觀的、很清楚的責任分工及定期開會，告訴大家這一波的危機，大家共同來面對，行政院有最壞的打算，但是你們也有最完整的準備。 |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
0.981 |
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王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:12:18.708000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:12:32.093000+08:00 |
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我希望你們可以做出這樣子，而不是譬如問一下央行，央行就回答一個，然後問了誰，誰又回答了一個，我覺得現在各部會看起來是沒有統整的，針對這件事情，行政院可以做到嗎？ |
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0.847 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[232].start |
2026-03-31T11:12:32.912000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:12:51.956000+08:00 |
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好，我們每週在固定會議之後，我會定時跟不定時向總統回報重大的決定，現在我也決定，如何讓民眾了解，因為時間拖這麼長，大家會越來越焦慮，我們勢必要做更清楚的工作，以讓民眾了解。 |
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0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[233].start |
2026-03-31T11:12:52.417000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:12:58.618000+08:00 |
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我覺得我們在防疫期間那樣的方式，讓民眾取得安心是一個很好的方式，我們會把它組成起來。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
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2026-03-31T11:12:59.049000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:13:23.404000+08:00 |
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好，我覺得這一次挑戰的確是非常嚴峻，本席看到就是真的是要嚴陣以對，各部會都要很嚴肅的看待這個問題，我們不希望這一次美、以、伊戰爭真的讓我們物價上升太快及臺幣貶值太多，我們能源也受到很嚴重的衝擊，我們希望好好嚴陣以對，好不好？ |
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0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[235].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[235].start |
2026-03-31T11:13:23.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-31T11:13:30.414000+08:00 |
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好，非常謝謝委員的提醒，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-31T11:13:30.414000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:13:35.343000+08:00 |
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謝謝王委員、謝謝卓院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[236].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[237].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-31T11:13:35.343000+08:00 |
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2026-03-31T11:13:41.053000+08:00 |
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報告院會，蔡其昌委員之質詢以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。 |
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0.471 |