| IVOD_ID |
168016 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168016 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-30T10:20:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-30T10:34:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d0265d86f2f18c678337ddef66800695117671a01da40a1397994c33887c7127da94560aa36cc40e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張雅琳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:20:44 - 10:34:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部警政署就「法院安全秩序維護與法警職權行使」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請司法院秘書長好有請秘書長 |
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謝謝秘書長那我想今天大家其實都一直不停的在討論有關於台中定院律師在法院內遭施暴的案件那其實呢這位這位林姓被告呢他其實已經是累犯了在2024年2025年就已經多次對不同的律師有傷害恐嚇的行為甚至在2025年11月高人法院台中分院開庭的時候也曾經違反法官維持法庭秩序的命令也就是說他並不是一個毫無徵兆 |
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然後無法預見的個案它是一個具有高風險的對象2月10號才在法院炒過價3月17號開庭的時候竟然完全沒有完善的預防措施我想我們現在其實是有事前風險評估的機制對不對那到底這個風險評估是為什麼會失靈呢可以針對於我們事前已經發生那麼多次的訊息警告視而不見是不是可以請秘書長簡單說明一下 |
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我真的很抱歉,我這件事其實真的事前就知道訊息那就是,要怎麼說呢,他就是沒落實明明知道了,那應該要怎麼處理,都應該要做了那我只能說,他就是沒做 |
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但是我想這一件 因為已經不是第一次被打 也不是只有這個地方失靈而是整套系統在各個地方的落實都失靈可是我可以跟委員報告啦 真的這一件在台中地院發生因為我當過院長 其實在我的法院是不會發生 |
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我一定是落實我們出乎意料之外其實王院長也被我重重的責備了一下怎麼會失靈這個是各法院的SOP啊真的是SOP啊不應該失靈竟然失靈真的跟全國抱歉真的是我只能這樣說而已 |
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我想這個應該是要充分的檢討我們到底是這個訓練不落實沒有落實訓練還是我們的事前風險評估的機制不夠完善我想這個是需要 |
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這個司法院來好好的檢討不然說我覺得如果我們事前風險評估我就必須釐清真相問題在哪裡我們才能夠去確保我們的法院內的一個安全那再來就是說司法院其實事後已經對外表示未來會依案件性質還有當事人的身心狀況及相關情資強化事前風險評估 |
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並演繹更明確的法院安全指引也會考慮動線增派罰金等措施那我想問一下現在的指引進度到哪裡應該我們私刑廳對我們這個我想我們下個禮拜下個禮拜 |
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應該就會把指引公告給讓各法院能夠明確的他應該要各個點我想斷點一定要把它做好這個是我們希望下個禮拜能夠把它發佈出去發佈出去但是我想剛剛有講到我們事前風險評估這個機制以前都有但是沒有落實所以接下來這一套你要如何落實呢 |
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老實說啦因為公佈我想可能沒有什麼用啦所以落實的方法是什麼其實要落實其實不難 |
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第一個一定要告知其實這個SOP都有當事人提出對啦以前也都有嘛對不對所以我現在要問的是說以前也都有現在你的精進措施是什麼嗎我們才能夠確保說這不是只是一份文件嘛而是真的能夠保障我們法院內的人員的安全嘛對不對對所以老師我最簡單的方法 |
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你既然前面已經有評估這個訊息一定是送到院長室跟政風室這兩個單位一定就是立刻啟動那有時候就是在這邊有個斷點斷掉 |
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那竟然這斷點是什麼意思就是說其實這一件就指到行政廳長那行政廳長他我必須說有時候有些人對於風險的意識度 |
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沒有那麼高他交給法警去執行的時候他沒有再度的去check其實這個各法院應該要做到的其實就是他那個緊密度一定要維持住所以我們這個指引一定要每個等於是一節一個環節一個環節一個環節要告訴他們都要落實到 |
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我想這個就是回應到我剛剛講的啦我想一個完善的檢討然後還有再簡單一個報告給我們讓我們知道說接下來你如何針對這一些落掉的地方你們如何在這一次的風險評估指引出來之後如何的落實精進那再來還有就是說我也想請教法務部 |
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就是說這類的個案的精神評估狀況以及預防性的處置問題像它過去其實已經一再的出現了傷害恐嚇甚至在司法場域有反覆脫序暴力的傾向那其實檢察官在偵查的過程之中就應該不只一次處理過了那而是 |
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所以我想是不是應該要整體來評估這個人到底有沒有持續的危險性那如果已經有相當的跡象的顯示的時候呢其實制度上不是完全沒有工具可以使用嘛我們其實是可以申請暫時申請暫行安置或是採取更積極的強制處分理論上都應該要納入評估啦所以終結後來也認定這個被告有這個反覆犯罪之餘並向法院申請羈押而且獲准喔既然最後都能夠認定到這個程序那為什麼案發前呢我們沒有對這類的 |
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反覆傷害脫序的個案更早的做完整體性的危險性評估呢跟委員報告因為那個場域是發生在法院的所以我們現在講的就是說類似一個市警的案的提醒啦給到我們的司法院啦這個部分如果相關的那個被告 |
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有這樣子的一個記錄那可能有一些風險存在的話那事實上檢察官不管在公訴立庭的時候也都會有跟法院一些相關的聯繫來做提醒那在偵查的部分也都會有一些依照這個他的風險來做這個相關後續的處置作為所以意思聽起來是法務部其實有把應盡該做的事情都做了對不對相關的風險我們都會在所有的案件去做相關的考量 |
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好 了解好 謝謝好 那我想還是這個就是司法院的那個精進報告啦聽起來是這樣子謝謝 法務部可以請回了那我繼續回到司法院那我接下來就是要問這個法警的問題那剛剛其實審法會委員也有問一樣的問題就是說我們在法院組織法其實是應該要去明定他的一些職長啦因為他畢竟要有明確的授權他才能夠去做事情那剛剛也有聽到說這個會期會送進來 |
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那我想還有另外一個問題就是說因為其實我們在法警他有充分授權但是他能不能去判斷這個時候他可以做那這個部分應該也是要充分的之前訓練他才能夠做到這個判斷他才敢下這樣子的決定去做這件事情可是我們看了一下剛剛講的是人力的問題剛剛審發會委員講的是人力的問題現在我要講的是之前訓練的問題 |
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我們現在它的原則上訓練只有1到3週連同食物訓練合計4個月而平時的訓練目前則是至少40小時可是因為他們現在面對的風險狀況其實不是只是秩序維持包含剛剛講的那個突發暴力應變然後疑似精神狀況不穩定的這個情緒失控的個案他們都要處理所以我認為我們的之前訓練的內容跟時間 |
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是不是也應該要評估一致的去調整或者是延長呢不曉得女書長的看法是什麼是的從這件事件其實我們早期都過於重非常重視大部分時間其實會花在體力上的訓練比較多還有一些就是法規上的了解對於這個緊急應變這種概念的訓練真的我們是不足我們必須要承認所以這個事件以後也讓我們看到我們一定要讓法警去了解 |
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去訓練就說除了這個訓練以外其實我也強定非常的強力要求各法院其實每天都有值錢要跟法警談話其實每天在值錢談話的就說那應該叫名字叫做早上的那個勤務宣導勤務宣導每天早上都有 |
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其實那個時候應該就要有做得出來因為我們看了一下過去好像似乎也沒有真的罰警去執行過去你們現在可以授權他們使用的一些工具上面有警棍我不是說警棍而是在那些判斷那些情況下他可以執法我覺得這件事情是罰警他並不清楚 |
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所以我認為其實不是職勤務訓練這件事情而是說到底哪些狀況下要非常的明確讓他知道這種情況他是可以做的他可以執行的我覺得這才真正是可以維護我們法庭內的秩序那當然法庭外剛剛其實審判會委員也有提到我認為這也是我們現在缺乏的一塊因為現在出手的現場已經延伸到這個走廊這個通道的地方這個也是 |
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請一併放在我剛剛講的這個經濟報告裡面一起提供給我那想要知道大概什麼時候可以提供給我我們在指引發布的時候同時就會寫出但是經濟措施包含對於罰金這些所有的所以就是一個禮拜嗎還是兩個禮拜兩個禮拜兩個禮拜好不好謝謝 |
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那最後一題我想要再延伸一下就是這幾天網路上針對柯文哲案的判決結果出現了一些討論那有些人因為不滿判決結果不管是先回到法律程序啦不是談上訴談救濟而是直接把矛頭指向法官檢察官本人甚至喊出要人民直選法官直選檢察官要用 |
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選票把這些人淘汰掉那我今天其實我們要討論這個判決的結果我要講的是說在法治國家不服判決的正當程序就是上訴、抗告是循審及就據而不是由群眾的壓力去逼迫司法讓步更不是威脅檢察官、司法官去對他們發起政治動員或是網路霸凌 |
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所以我現在要考慮的其實是法官檢察官的人身安全因為現在已經社群上出現了對這個受命的法官許芳瑜的點名已經說記得給這位法官愛的關照這樣子的話其實就已經有非常明顯的一個威嚇的意味所以我認為現在講法院的秩序已經不是只有這個實體空間包含虛擬的空間都應該要一起的來考量 |
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因為這樣子的法官被網路上面點名霸凌不是只有他自己包括他的家人可能都有風險那我們看了一下美國有一些針對於高風險的案件上面他們對於法官其實是有一些保護措施那我不曉得說我們現在是不是也可以針對像一些比較高風險的案件把它盤點出來那我們也有一些相對應的保護措施來保護這些法官 |
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是的其實我們院內對於法官就個案除了有一個矚目案件的這個列表以外也會主動法官其實沒有說提出來也會主動詢問他需要有哪些保護措施我們甚至會派專員 |
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一段時間的可能上下班尤其是我們在公共空間送他上車或者是哪個階段他認為需要被保護我們也會跟警政單位聯繫這個我們一定要盡到最大的保護所以謝謝委員 |
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769.537 |
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794.994 |
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了解 但我想因為現在聽起來好像比較是針對於上下班的部分據我們了解也是上下班的部分但是美國好像有更擴充那我不曉得說我們是不是也可以參考一下這部分我尊重你們的專業判斷我們是不是可以針對其他國家對於這些注目案件上面提供給我們的法官這些司法人員更安全的保障那是不是也可以評估一下那大概可不可以在大概評估多久時間給我們一個評估的結果那我們應該也是兩個 |
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800.096 |
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803.728 |
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因為這個會要跟 沒錯 沒問題那大概多久 一個月好 了解 謝謝 |