| IVOD_ID |
168011 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168011 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-30T10:06:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-30T10:20:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d0265d86f2f18c67f17442fd85b90023117671a01da40a1397994c33887c7127d104b08215f3295d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:47 - 10:20:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部警政署就「法院安全秩序維護與法警職權行使」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席我們請祕書長好,有請祕書長民進黨早安我想我們今天本委會所安排的這個主題這個當然剛剛前面委員都提到了之所以會安排這樣子的專題報告最主要就是因為兩個禮拜前發生在台中地院的案件引起社會的矚目 |
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但是這個案件基本上我們今天的主題設定也把這個案件這個列出其實是兩個不同的面向第一個面向是有關法院安全維護的問題這是第一個面向另外一個獨立的一個面向就是有關於法警職權行使的問題剛才大概很多委員都是針對這些問題有的混雜在一起談把這個法院安全維護跟這個 |
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罰警職權刑時兩個混在一起談那我覺得我們還是把它分開來談比較清楚我們把這個案子分開來所以我先就這個法院安全維護的部分來就教於秘書長我看我們今天司法院的專題報告其實很簡單只有幾頁但是大概你們大概就分成三大點第一點就是針對這個製造事件你們已經採取的相關措施這是你們第一點 |
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第二點是針對這個個案你們的處置跟檢討這是第二點第三點就是你們後續要精進的作為因為這個案件你們後續要做什麼事情大概就是三個主題而已那我就針對這三個主題大概跟第一個部分我先針對這三個主題來討論有關於法院安全秩序的維護其實它的法源依據大家現在討論其實這個案件它是發生在法庭外 |
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對不對 它是發生在法庭外嘛 對不對所以我們有關發生在法庭內的這個在法庭內的這個安全秩序跟法庭外的安全秩序它其實有不同的法源依據法庭內它其實很清楚就是法院組織法 |
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這個第88條跟89條審判長在法院這個有關於開閉審理訴訟他都有指揮之權第89條就是說這個法庭開庭的時候審判長有維持秩序之權這個所有法源大概就在這一條所以整個法庭內基本上他的執行這個法庭內法庭安全的秩序執行基本上就是由審判長進行訴訟指揮 |
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這在法庭內就是審判長負權責那法警就是輔助的執行而已但在法庭外呢法庭外的在這個簡單講就是法院裡面但是在法庭外如果在法院外面當然就屬於一般的警察啦但在法院裡面但是在法庭之外的這個安全維護呢這個目前是沒有法律的依據的 |
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目前我看到的我們的法院依據就是法條依據大概就是各個法院大家自己制定的安全維護實施要點對不對是不是這樣就有關法院內但是法庭外就這次發生事情的這樣子的這個狀況它沒有法律依據它就是各個法院大家自己制定的所謂安全維護實施要點這就是他們的法條依據而已這個 |
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這個整個法條依據最好它的執行就是由法警負責依這個要點來執行所以它的依據就只有這樣子這個說起來是我個人認為說這個是在法源上面有點不足這個部分這個 |
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我希望司法院這個部分就這個法院內法庭外的安全維護的法源依據的部分能夠是不是在法院組織法或是相關的修法裡面把它做一個制定讓它具有一個真正法律的依據而不是依照實施要點這是第一點第二點我看你們剛剛講到這個書面報告你們針對這個我們剛剛講的第一點就是針對這個案子你們已經採取了相關措施 |
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你們在講說,其實在鑑於114年,也就是去年7月間發生的法庭內外的暴力滋擾事件你們在去年7月就發函要求各法院確實落實法院安全維護改善方案對不對你們去年發文是要求落實那這個改善方案,法院安全維護改善方案是在什麼時候制定的呢 |
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在105年9月30號制定這個法院安全維護的方案這個方案我等一下後續跟你討論這個方案其實所謂的這個法院安全維護改善方案其實跟這次的個案幾乎沒有關係因為他的這個改善方案是什麼?他其實規範的就是第一個法庭外面的 |
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入口處他就規範入口處的安全檢查而已喔還沒有你剛剛講的收身啊調查這是對你們所以所以這個這個所謂所謂安全改善方案就是有關於法院的入口處的安檢這是第一個另外一個就是有關於人犯在法庭內的相關規範以及他的在法院裡面人犯的動線大概就這個規定而已在這一次的案子 |
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他並不是人犯 他還是訴訟主體他並不是在押人犯所以並不在你們的這個安全維護改善方案裡面所以其實你要求他落實這個安全維護改善方案也跟這次的案子無關 對不對是不是這樣 秘書長 |
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其實要跟委員報告這個其實那個是強化法院安全維護方案其實剛剛委員提到的對於這個法警在法庭外 |
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怎麼一個處理其實我們都有規定沒有沒有剛剛那個改善方案沒有啊改善方案是沒有可是這個是就像委員剛剛提到的各法院他們對於法庭以外法院內的秩序安全的維護都有自己的辦法我知道我現在就可以討論你們接下來你們在第三點你們提到後續的經營作為裡面你們第一個說 |
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你們就是說第四點 你們說要研議制定標準化的指引 要優化訴訟指揮的效能這裡面你們提到 第一個要制定法院安全維護指引也就是相關的SOP 目前沒有 這目前沒有 所以你們要制定第二個你們要強化法庭內脫序行為訴訟指揮指引你為什麼寫強化 就是現在已經有了 |
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就法庭內的這個指引其實你們已經有了但是在法庭外就是這次發生事情的法庭外的部分你們目前沒有指引對我們對於這就是真的是各法院在我們並沒有制定指引這個我們要改進所以這個部分你們要制定是是是 |
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那這個部分我是希望說我們把這個法源依據大家都搞清楚在哪個部份我們需要加強哪個部份的指引法庭內法庭外我們把它分清楚才有辦法才不會說整間的喇喇就會住像今天有的在談法庭內的秩序然後再談這個然後把他拉來這個個案其實都不是這次的個案很簡單就是法庭內 |
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在法院內但是在法庭外這個是目前法治上面的漏洞這部分我希望說能夠做補強那我們今天的第二個主題是有關法警的職權行使 |
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剛剛大概也有委員整個討論就是有委員大家就著重在這個法警職權刑事法的部分但是其實我們目前我們這些法警法警的任用資格其實他的任用資格的法源就跟一般警察不一樣他的任用資格是按照司法人士條例 |
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的這個第四條第一項第九款他所制定那他的任用資格也跟一般警察一般警察是用警察人員任用條例但是我們這個法警他是用司法人員人事任用條例的這個第26條有關這個這個其任用資格有法律定資那有法律定資之後呢我們這個這個這個就就 |
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定在哪個法律裡面呢 定在法院組織法裡面對不對 就定在法院組織法裡面那所以這個 |
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目前大家所認為說現在法警執行上面他們的法源依據不足這個法警執行職務的法源依據不足確實是法源依據不足那要如何改善這個法源依據不足過去其實司法院並不是沒有做司法院在108年就提出了法院組織法的這個修法草案而且受到立法院來審查 |
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但在立法院審查的時候就分成不同的意見有的意見是支持盡快的由法院組織法修法來明定這個法警的這個職權行使但是有的意見就認為說不應該在法院組織法裡面訂定他應該要另訂這個法警職權行使法對不對 |
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好 那我個人認為這樣子啦 你要訂在哪裡都可以但是你就是要把現在目前法警執行這個執行職權他的這個法律上面目前的缺漏的部分在法制上面趕快把它補足 對不對所以你們認為應該訂在法院組織法也很好那時候因為屆期不連續沒有送是不是再送經濟法院來 |
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好不好 是什麼時候送進來我們在這會期這會期 要送進來這會期把法對 看是我們就回去你現在要訂定你要重新訂定一個法警職權刑事法可能又要經過一個一個你們內部的程序又要這個匯嫌匯嫌各個單位但是我們其實108年的法院組織法修正草案它已經是都經過這些程序了你只要送進來就可以了是對不對 |
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所以這個部分先送進來大家我們委員會來討論我們立法院大家來討論有意見的話大家再來決定是不是要通過你們的法院組織法你看你們法院組織法的修正草案完不完備嘛對不對非常謝謝委員那這個部分齁其實 |
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現在的這個警察跟這個法警他職權行使實在是警察你有警察職權行使法法警現在目前執行的依據都是一個行政規則而已啊所以當然是這個法律位階不足啦那最後一點點再一點點時間就是說談到法警了我們就來談法警人力的問題啊我們法警人力現在目前法警人力的配置這個秘書長你看這個這個 |
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我按照我們的統計每年的案件量我們目前法警的配置最多的是台北地方我拿這個資料是檢察署不好意思可能請法務部法務部其實法院你一樣我們法院也是一樣我這個統計資料目前這個法警的配置台北地方台北地檢署 |
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台北地院法警的人數是最多 |
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高等法院這裡104台北地方法院是104人最少的金門分院一個法警而已我們剛剛前面的那些安全指引甚至人犯的押解要求兩個有相關案件要求兩個法警押解但是在金門只有一個法警要哪裡生第二個法警來押解公務員報告應該是七個 |
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現在已經有七個法警了但是你看看台北地方法院一百零四個法警他一年的案件有多少案有六十一萬個案件六十一萬個案件有一百零四個法警來負擔那顯然再加上法警其實除了維持法庭的資訊他還有巡邏還有值班還有等等還有很多的其他的職務 |
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我個人認為說法警這個量是絕對人力是絕對不足這部分我希望說你們能夠有一個改善的規劃現在我們有點依賴說要依賴保全人員那保全人員完全沒有法律依據 |
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保全人員的法律指責完全沒有任何法院在法院裡面保全人員說要輔助法警他連輔助法警的法律依據都沒有這部分我希望說我們司法院把這部分都把這些漏洞把它補起來好不好是是是好 以上好 謝謝沈委員的詢答 |