iVOD / 167975

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IVOD_ID 167975
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167975
日期 2026-03-26
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-26-3
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 3
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 社會福利及衛生環境委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-03-26T13:44:17+08:00
結束時間 2026-03-26T13:59:28+08:00
影片長度 00:15:11
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
支援功能[1] gazette
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委員名稱 劉建國
委員發言時間 13:44:17 - 13:59:28
會議時間 2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議(事由:邀請衛生福利部長及勞動部部長就「在職照顧者支持體系是否完善、長照3.0服務輸送與長照安排假評估」進行專題報告,並備質詢。【3月25日及26日二天一次會】)
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 我自己的內心當然我們當然認為也不是我自己的內心包括我們其實部裡面我想包括現在其實相關的部會其實都希望要因為照顧而離職的勞工可以減少我覺得這是一個最重要的方向因為我們最不樂見的事情就是勞工因為他要做家庭的照顧而必須被迫離開職場這其實對我們整體的勞動力產業的發展都不是好事
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 我想這件事情是我們一個很重要的初衷的邏輯跟原則在這個地方那至於進行或者現在大家討論到是長照的安排要是假還是留庭還是用各種其他的做法我想這部分我們就是需要跟衛福部再做更進一步的討論所以簡單講你的內心深處到現在就是還沒有辦法做一個定奪啦應該是這樣嘛因為我們看不進你的內心所以你講出來的時候就是還是沒有結論啦
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 就是制度要走哪一個路徑去幫忙這件事情的確還需要演繹對啦 演繹多久其實今天因為剛剛委員會的時候林耀群委員其實有一個提案那大概會有三個月的時間其實我們對於相關的可行性會做出一些演繹三個月對 就是今天早上的提案對對 我知道 會不會太久了
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 你的內心會不會感受到這樣是有點過久了?是不是需要縮短一些時間?當然提讓我們尊重啦我為什麼這麼講?因為你自己講的也非常清楚嘛這個數據應該是正確嘛家庭照顧者公園總會提供的全國231萬的勞工有五分之一因為照顧私人私自身心障礙家人而影響工作
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 每年約有13.3萬因照顧離職這是勞動部的資料所以我們也是在這個基礎下面去做這些思考那這個數據如果是正確你看一年你引進多少外勞現在一年嘛 淨增加的大概幾萬大概3萬3、4萬你說國外引進3萬 近3萬左右也沒關係嘛 對不對那我們每年一會這樣
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 要照顧兒離子的13.3萬你再怎麼進是3萬多你因照顧兒離子13萬多你看這個落差多大所以台灣永遠在缺工啊怎麼補你都補不到啊 補不滿嘛補不足啊
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 這是現狀,這是現實嘛所以今天我想這個絕對不是要單純你跟衛福部部長兩個有共識之後的一個處理啦我覺得這個是可能要拉到整個院的層級來看待台灣的勞動力整體因為這一塊那個缺角的擴大的範圍是越來越嚴重
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 還是你可以跟我講說三個月評估轉之後我們可能下半年度還是明年開始我們每年不會因為要照顧失能失智身心障礙的家人離此的這樣的一個數額他是會
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 明年開始可能會減大致上剩下10萬那你剩下10萬那你補消融過來那就還好我這麼講我這麼講是也沒有算是很精準但是只是看到這個數據我們用數據來做對比來做評估來做因應嘛
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 因為我這邊可能沒有辦法跟你說明年就一定會怎麼樣因為都是缺工缺到非常非常的嚴重嘛對不對所以我說我們希望在這裡因為其實剛剛我們在講的很多的概念其實我也都是完全同意的那也是我們的一個方向跟目標但對於具體的做法跟制度的路徑那要做哪個選擇這的確我們會需要一點時間來去做這部分的評論而且這也是需要跨部會的討論
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 我再用一個對照,我是覺得部長絕對有那個魄力,包含市部長都是非常有魄力,做事情的這種因應的
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 過去累積上的經驗我看到都是很正面的也是很快速的你看你承擔起來有拿出破例再改革就會看到成果一月期運營假從過去必須一個月然後申請單位一個月改為一日來申請所以將近兩個月而已藍心的申請比例從過去的全年27.8%大幅增加到44.3%
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 女性從72.2 降到55.6這兩個剛好合起來就男性提高16點多女性降16點多也讓整個照顧小朋友的責任不會只有著重在女性的身上對新手爸媽而言我想這個對家庭的整個融合啦然後對小朋友的親子等等等
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 其實都是很正向的這樣的發展這個就是有魄力啊這個就是政策趕快來做不管從幾個面向來做處理的時候那一實施出來我們就看到這樣的一個效益跟成果的展現嘛所以我才會在總執行的時候也特別跟院長提這個事情嘛然後也希望說原本到0到3歲那我們很多的這種規範是0到6歲那為什麼不能提高到6歲
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 對不對部長也欣然的答應我所以我們其實現在也在對於要把這個適用的範圍擴大然後再做研擬對這個我們就可以這麼快速來做營業來做處理也看到這樣成效那我們現在全國缺工這麼嚴重然後每年還要引進外勞將近三萬出
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 左右然後你們又要去開放這個什麼這個家庭的外勤辦公室12歲以下的今天有很多人提出這樣的一個討論嘛對不對而且不論這個政策的精準與否嘛那我們可以看到我記得市長那天有講一句話
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 他是這麼講,這是理事長答覆的各國生育率涉及因素複雜,提高生育率並列為放寬家庭幫庸的主要政策目標護療戰略也不是考量重點,因為已經有其他政策在推動女性老三率了開放外籍幫庸是在眾多協助安心續留的政策裡面再多加一項選擇
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 這你們初中講話嘛 安心續留 安心續留難道不是用於在本勞的身上嗎這個我們就好像事業你們就要處理的嘛 對不對 就要執行的嘛那你跟我講你這個研擬多久啊 評估多久啊 在你內心深處啊 放了多久嘛
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 今天還要有勞林月琴、渣偉再提一個臨時提案要求你們三個月他有沒有刺激到你的內心深處對廣泛的每年因為要照顧家人不管是知識人身心障礙而必須被迫離職的13.3萬的勞工而言情何以堪
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 每天有十幾萬欸十幾萬 十幾萬 十幾萬欸你一天補三萬 補三萬 補三萬三天有超過超過差三十萬欸所以你站不站不站得這麼嚴重的時候站在勞動的主管機關人力的整個這樣的一個穩定安心蓄流的權穩之下這事情你沒有辦法在你的內心深處放太久欸
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 今天沒有排這個案,坦白講,很多事情我們沒有辦法去凸顯出來,那今天已經排出來了,大家就從各個角度來做一個思考。我就單純從這個角度,因為台灣欠到你想不到的嚴重就對了。然後以農業外勞而言,大家都非常清楚嘛,對不對。那頭照有照到什麼程度?
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 然後這幾天的媒體陸續在報導以前淘寶外勞就是補足農業這個勞力不足的部分那農民部這邊也積極的在統一主管機關的申請的量能在擴大人數在擴大嘛但是怎麼擴大你都補不夠啊你都補不夠,那一十萬
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 將近十萬以下,你一年我就補多少六千,每年又六千以下你不是每年六六千喔那個落差,現在一萬的話還是一萬八萬計,差不多一萬五左右上下嘛對不對然後現在實際上有在台灣的農田裡面實際上的這些逃跑外勞將四十萬左右
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 你如果不處理暗示,遇到疫情的時候還不敢處理,現在是要處理,現在還浪漫時期,還浪漫時期,現在你不處理暗示的時候,這個逃走在我們台灣的國土裡面,已經有一定天堂的經驗了,所以他還自己活著,白天在台灣的農民宿營,
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 工廠會介紹你快做、快整、快修、快處理可能都中了因為不知道他看不到他未來在台灣還可以待多少天拚一天賺一天就是多一天
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 那這樣的惡性循環情況之下,很多的台灣的榮業狀況,它就會持續惡性的循環,不停止啦。好,我把這個問題拉回來,我是對照說,你針對這一個
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 應價的整體的這樣的一個放寬然後鼓勵更多的這些新手的爸爸媽媽來提出這樣的申請我們看到這樣成效所以我們希望下半年度我們就可以擴大這樣的一個範圍跟鏈局讓更多人都有這樣的
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 這樣的一個機會來提出這個申請對整體社會而言對每一個家庭而言都是一個正向的事情那我們現在要來處理這些非常辛苦的期待可以提出這個照顧假申請的我們勞工的朋友我覺得我們的速度一定要加快不會自己來演繹你看嘛日本我們多都是仿照日本對照日本比較日本學習日本
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 人家1999年就提出93天的有薪照顧假他們是在2008年邁入超高齡社會人家鐵渣高檔人家做這些事情這坦白講我是用一個數據來做比較不一定進入到超高齡社會才必須要做這些事情但是台灣是2025嘛進到超高齡社會我們沒有提早我們還是7天並7天的試假真的有道理
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 對不對,七天,又多一個七天,你要看留言嗎?我幫你看看,今天你宣導的留言,在去年的十月十三,播一個宣傳家庭照顧假的文章,那請部長看嘛,照顧假就照顧假,試假就試假,為什麼要一起計算,讓人之有機會在那邊囉哩啪嗦。
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 然後主管不准部署請照顧假說他的單位不准請就是只能以施加7天還對部署瘋狂咆哮標罵不然就滾去別單位所以以部長的積極做事的態度跟那個因應的
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 處理的方式我覺得這件事情真的不能拖了是真的不會拖了我們會盡快來研議產業或許有一些不一樣的意見產業也缺工啊你這個育嬰價的部分其實你調查起來是產業基本上也都支持嘛
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 那天在院會答詢的時候花了一些力氣說服所以在你的累積經驗裡面只要花了一些力氣應該就可以來說服這個家庭照顧假應該
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 應該可以快速的來做一個提高吧把這個換回去,把這個任期讓台灣的勞工不用再看到這種數據每年因為有13.3萬就五分之一的勞工,五分之一的勞工裡面又有13.3萬因為要照顧家裡的,甚至是等對象而被迫離職
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 我們如果這個會期可以決定把辦拿出來部長的內心深處應該是朝這個方向那我們下半年度就可以實施那我們明年就可以馬上看到成效我們會努力啦,我們會努力OK?我們會努力
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transcript.whisperx[38].text OK 拜拜
transcript.gazette[0].speaker 劉委員建國
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transcript.gazette[0].text 謝謝主席,有請洪部長。
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transcript.gazette[1].text 有請洪部長。
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transcript.gazette[2].speaker 劉委員建國
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transcript.gazette[2].text 石部長你休息一下,一個鐘頭之後再叫你,謝謝。
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transcript.gazette[3].speaker 洪部長申翰
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transcript.gazette[3].text 委員好。
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transcript.gazette[4].speaker 劉委員建國
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transcript.gazette[4].text 部長,今天謝謝主席特別排「在職照顧者支持體系是否完善、長照3.0服務輸送與長照安排假評估」。
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transcript.gazette[5].end 2026-03-26T13:44:48.572000+08:00
transcript.gazette[5].text 部長從早上到現在聽到這麼多委員的意見,不曉得有沒有評估出來了?
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transcript.gazette[6].speaker 洪部長申翰
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transcript.gazette[6].end 2026-03-26T13:45:20.004000+08:00
transcript.gazette[6].text 跟劉委員說明,其實我們也一直在跟衛福部討論,對於現在新的長照制度上路後,接下來民眾尤其是受僱勞工還會遇到的一些狀況,包括可能需要等待的時間,或者是需要協助的樣態,我們希望有進一步的盤點以後,就一併來評估是不是要透過職場及工作的制度給予幫助跟支持,它會有一個評估的過程跟邏輯。
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transcript.gazette[7].text 我是請教你,因為從一早到現在嘛!
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transcript.gazette[8].text 對不對!對。
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transcript.gazette[9].text 你的回答是最後有一個評估跟邏輯,這樣的答復我聽不太懂,當然一定要評估啊!
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transcript.gazette[10].text 我是指現在你的內心,從早上聽到現在是不是有一個方向、一個範圍?
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transcript.gazette[11].text 我自己的內心,當然我們認為……也不是我自己的內心,其實包括我們部裡面及相關的部會,都希望因為照顧而離職的勞工可以減少,我覺得這是一個最重要的方向。對。
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transcript.gazette[12].text 因為我們最不樂見的事情,就是勞工因為要做家庭照顧而必須被迫離開職場,其實這對我們整體的勞動力及產業的發展都不是好事,這是我們很重要的初衷、邏輯跟原則。
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transcript.gazette[13].text 至於進行或者現在大家討論到長照的安排,是要假、留停還是用各種其他的作法,這部分我們需要再跟衛福部做更進一步的討論。
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transcript.gazette[14].text 所以簡單講,你的內心深處到現在還沒有辦法做一個定奪啦!
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transcript.gazette[15].text 應該是這樣嘛!
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transcript.gazette[16].speaker 劉委員建國
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transcript.gazette[16].text 因為也看不進你的內心,所以講出來就還是沒有結論啦!
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transcript.gazette[17].speaker 洪部長申翰
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transcript.gazette[17].text 制度要走哪一條路徑去幫忙,這件事情的確還需要研議。
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transcript.gazette[18].speaker 劉委員建國
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transcript.gazette[18].text 要研議多久?
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transcript.gazette[19].start 2026-03-26T13:46:39.341000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[19].text 剛才委員會林月琴委員其實有一個提案,我們大概會以三個月的時間對於相關的可行性會做出一些研議。
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transcript.gazette[20].text 三個月。
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transcript.gazette[21].start 2026-03-26T13:46:48.246000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[21].text 對,是今天早上的提案。
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transcript.gazette[22].text 我知道,會不會太久?
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transcript.gazette[23].text 的確會需要一點時間……
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transcript.gazette[24].start 2026-03-26T13:46:52.311000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[24].text 你的內心會不會感受到這樣有點過久?
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transcript.gazette[25].speaker 劉委員建國
transcript.gazette[25].start 2026-03-26T13:46:56.433000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[25].text 是不是需要縮短一些時間?
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transcript.gazette[26].speaker 劉委員建國
transcript.gazette[26].start 2026-03-26T13:46:58.314000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[26].text 提案我們當然尊重啦!
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transcript.gazette[27].start 2026-03-26T13:47:00.416000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[27].text 為什麼這麼講,因為你自己也講得非常清楚,這個數據應該是正確嘛!
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transcript.gazette[28].start 2026-03-26T13:47:05.679000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[28].text 家庭照顧者關懷總會提供的,全國有五分之一約231萬的勞工因為照顧失能、失智、身心障礙家人而影響工作,每年約有13.3萬因照顧而離職。
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transcript.gazette[29].text 這是勞動部的資料,所以我們也是在這個基礎上做這些思考。
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transcript.gazette[30].speaker 劉委員建國
transcript.gazette[30].start 2026-03-26T13:47:22.569000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[30].text 好,這個數據如果是正確,你一年引進多少外勞?
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transcript.gazette[31].speaker 洪部長申翰
transcript.gazette[31].start 2026-03-26T13:47:28.013000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[31].text 現在一年淨增加的大概三、四萬。
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transcript.gazette[32].speaker 劉委員建國
transcript.gazette[32].start 2026-03-26T13:47:30.935000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[32].text 從國外引進3萬……
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transcript.gazette[33].text 每年狀況不一樣……
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transcript.gazette[34].text 淨3萬,淨3萬左右也沒關係,我們每年因為要照顧而離職的有13.3萬,你再怎麼淨……因照顧而離職有十三萬多,你看這個落差多大,所以臺灣永遠在缺工啊!
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transcript.gazette[35].start 2026-03-26T13:47:56.755000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[35].text 怎麼補你都補不到、補不滿、補不足啊!
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transcript.gazette[36].start 2026-03-26T13:48:00.789000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[36].text 這是現狀,也是現實嘛!
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transcript.gazette[37].start 2026-03-26T13:48:03.332000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[37].text 所以這絕對不是單純你跟衛福部部長兩個人有共識之後就能處理,我覺得可能要拉到整個院的層級來看待臺灣的勞動力,整體因為這一塊缺角的擴大範圍是越來越嚴重了,還是你可以跟我說:三個月評估完之後,可能下半年度還是明年開始,我們每年不會因為要照顧失能、失智、身心障礙的家人出現這樣的離職數額,明年開始可能會減,大致上剩下10萬,那你補3萬過來,那就還好……
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transcript.gazette[38].text 委員,我可能沒有辦法……
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transcript.gazette[39].text 我這麼講也沒有算是很精準,只是看到這個數據,我們用數據來做對比、評估及因應嘛!
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transcript.gazette[40].text 委員,我這邊可能沒有辦法跟你說明年一定會怎麼樣。
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transcript.gazette[41].start 2026-03-26T13:49:03.621000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[41].text 因為臺灣社會大家很清楚,各行各業、所有產業都是缺工缺到非常、非常的嚴重嘛!
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transcript.gazette[42].start 2026-03-26T13:49:08.664000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[42].text 對不對!
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transcript.gazette[43].start 2026-03-26T13:49:09.224000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[43].text 所以我們希望在這裡……因為其實剛剛我們講的很多概念,我也都是完全同意的,也是我們的方向跟目標,但對於具體的做法、制度的路徑及要做哪個選擇,我們的確會需要一點時間做這部分的評估,尤其這也是需要跨部會的討論。
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transcript.gazette[44].start 2026-03-26T13:49:28.415000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[44].text 我再用一個對照,我覺得部長絕對有那個魄力!
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transcript.gazette[45].start 2026-03-26T13:49:32.584000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[45].text 石部長也是非常有魄力,包含做事情的因應及過去累積的經驗,我看到都是很正面也很快速的,你看嘛!
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transcript.gazette[46].text 你承擔起來,有拿出魄力在改革就會看到成果,1月起育嬰假從過去必須一個月……申請單位一個月改為以日來申請,所以將近兩個月而已,男性的申請比例從過去的全年27.8%大幅增加到44.3%,女性從72.2%降到55.6%,這兩個剛好cover起來,就男性提高百分之十六點多,女性下降百分之十六點多,也讓整個照顧小朋友的責任不會只有落在女性身上,對新手爸媽而言,對家庭的融合、對小朋友的親子關係等等,其實都是很正向的發展,這個就是有魄力啊!
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transcript.gazette[47].text 這個就是政策趕快來做,從幾個面向來處理之後,我們就一直看到效益跟成果的展現。
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transcript.gazette[48].text 所以我才會在總質詢的時候特別跟院長提這個事情,然後也希望原本0到3歲,我們很多的規範是0到6歲,那為什麼不能提高到6歲,部長也欣然的答應我。
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transcript.gazette[49].text 是,所以我們現在也在研擬要把適用範圍擴大。
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transcript.gazette[50].text 對啊,這個我們就可以這麼快速來做因應、來做處理,也看到成效,那現在全國缺工這麼嚴重,但是每年還要引進外勞將近3萬出頭,還要去開放有12歲以下兒童的家庭可聘用外籍幫傭,今天有很多委員提出討論,姑且不論這個政策精準與否,我記得呂次那天有講一句話,他說各國生育率涉及因素複雜,提高生育率並未列為放寬家庭幫傭的主要政策目標,婦女勞參率也不是考量重點,因為已經有其他的政策在推動女性勞參率了,開放外籍幫傭是在眾多協助安心續留的政策裡面再多加一項選擇,這是你們次長講的話。是。
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transcript.gazette[51].text 對嘛,安心續留難道不適用於在本勞身上嗎?
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transcript.gazette[52].text 當然,這是我們的一個目標。
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transcript.gazette[53].text 對,這個好像4月你們就要執行了嘛。對。
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transcript.gazette[54].text 那你跟我講,你這個研擬多久?
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transcript.gazette[55].start 2026-03-26T13:52:17.154000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[55].text 評估多久?
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transcript.gazette[56].text 在你內心深處放了多久?
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transcript.gazette[57].text 一個月?
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transcript.gazette[58].start 2026-03-26T13:52:22.287000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[58].text 兩個月?
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transcript.gazette[59].start 2026-03-26T13:52:23.637000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[59].text 三個月?
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transcript.gazette[60].start 2026-03-26T13:52:24.987000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[60].text 今天還要有勞林月琴召委再提一個臨時提案,要求你們三個月,他有沒有刺激到你的內心深處?
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transcript.gazette[61].text 對廣泛的、每年因為要照顧家人,不管失智、失能或身心障礙而必須被迫離職的13.3萬勞工而言,情何以堪?
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transcript.gazette[62].text 每一年都有十幾萬耶!
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transcript.gazette[63].text 十幾萬、十幾萬、十幾萬耶!
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transcript.gazette[64].speaker 劉委員建國
transcript.gazette[64].start 2026-03-26T13:52:53.565000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[64].text 你一年補三萬、補三萬、補三萬,三年就超過差三十萬耶!
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transcript.gazette[65].start 2026-03-26T13:53:01.171000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[65].text 所以在缺工缺得這麼嚴重的時候,站在勞動主管機關的立場,人力的穩定、安心續留的權衡之下,這個事情沒有辦法在你內心深處放太久。
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transcript.gazette[66].text 今天沒有排這個案,坦白講很多事情我們也沒辦法去凸顯出來,今天已經排出來了,大家就從各個角度來做一個思考,我就單純從這個角度,因為臺灣缺工缺到你想像不到的嚴重就對了,然後以農業外勞而言,大家都非常清楚偷跑跑到什麼程度,這幾天的媒體陸續在報導,以前逃跑外勞就是補足農業勞力不足的部分,那勞動部這邊也積極的同意主管機關申請的量能再擴大,人數再增加,但是不管怎麼擴大,你就補不到啊!
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transcript.gazette[67].start 2026-03-26T13:54:14.591000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[67].text 將近十萬在那裡,你一年有辦法補多少?六千?
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transcript.gazette[68].start 2026-03-26T13:54:18.073000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[68].text 明年又六千?
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transcript.gazette[69].start 2026-03-26T13:54:20.795000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[69].text 而且你不是每年六千,那個落差,現在是一萬二還是一萬八,我忘記了,差不多一萬五上下,對不對?嗯。
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transcript.gazette[70].text 然後現在實際上在臺灣的農田裡面的逃跑外勞有將近40萬左右耶!
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transcript.gazette[71].start 2026-03-26T13:54:35.916000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[71].text 然後要處理不是,不處理也不是,遇到疫情的時候更不敢處理,現在想要處理,結果現在又是農忙時期了,對不對?
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transcript.gazette[72].start 2026-03-26T13:54:40.258000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[72].text 如果現在你還不處理,這些逃跑的外勞在臺灣國土上已經有一定程度的經驗了,所以他自己有辦法租地耕種來跟臺灣農民拚輸贏耶!
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transcript.gazette[73].start 2026-03-26T13:55:09.186000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[73].text 降低價格,因為他趕快做、趕快種、趕快收、趕快出去,賺的都多的,因為他看不到他未來在臺灣還可以待多少天,拚一天賺一天就多一天,這樣惡性循環的情況之下,臺灣的農業狀況就會持續的惡性循環不停止。
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transcript.gazette[74].text 好,我把這個問題拉回來,我是對照你針對育嬰假整體的放寬,鼓勵了更多的新手爸爸媽媽提出申請,我們看到了成效,所以我們希望下半年度就可以擴大範圍,讓更多人都有機會提出申請,對整體社會、對每一個家庭而言都是一個正向的事情。
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transcript.gazette[75].start 2026-03-26T13:56:07.465000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[75].text 我們現在要來處理這些非常辛苦的、期待可以提出照顧假申請的勞工朋友,我覺得我們的速度一定要加快啦!
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transcript.gazette[76].start 2026-03-26T13:56:18.974000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[76].text 我們會積極來研議。
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transcript.gazette[77].speaker 劉委員建國
transcript.gazette[77].start 2026-03-26T13:56:20.495000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[77].text 你看嘛,我們很多都是仿照日本、比照日本、學習日本,人家1999年就提出93天的有薪照顧假,他們是在2008年邁入超高齡社會,人家提早9年就在做這些事情。
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transcript.gazette[78].start 2026-03-26T13:56:40.323000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[78].text 坦白講我是用一個數據來做比較,不一定進入到超高齡社會才必須要做這些事情,但是臺灣是2025年進入超高齡社會,我們沒有提早,我們還是7天併7天的事假,這哪有道理?
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transcript.gazette[79].start 2026-03-26T13:56:57.362000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[79].text 7天再多一個7天,你要看留言嗎?
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transcript.gazette[80].speaker 劉委員建國
transcript.gazette[80].start 2026-03-26T13:57:00.863000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[80].text 我放給你看一下,這是去年10月13日po的一個宣傳家庭照顧假的文章,請部長來看,「照顧假就照顧假,事假就事假,為什麼要一起計算?
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transcript.gazette[81].start 2026-03-26T13:57:14.227000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[81].end 2026-03-26T13:57:25.009000+08:00
transcript.gazette[81].text 讓人資有機會在那邊囉哩八唆」、「主管不准部屬請照顧假,就是只能事假7天,還對部屬瘋狂咆哮、飆罵:不然就滾去別單位」。
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transcript.gazette[82].text 所以以部長積極做事的態度跟處理方式,我覺得這件事情真的不能拖!是。
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transcript.gazette[83].text 這真的不能拖啦,我坦白講。
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transcript.gazette[84].start 2026-03-26T13:57:53.309000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[84].text 我們會儘快來研議。
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transcript.gazette[85].start 2026-03-26T13:57:57.331000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[85].text 產業或許有一些不一樣的意見,但是產業也缺工啊,這個育嬰假的部分,其實你調查起來,產業基本上也都支持嘛,那天在院會答詢的時候……
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transcript.gazette[86].start 2026-03-26T13:58:13.781000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[86].text 花了一些力氣說服。
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transcript.gazette[87].start 2026-03-26T13:58:17.383000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[87].text 是、是、是,所以在你累積的經驗裡面,只要花一些力氣應該就可以說服產業接受家庭照顧假,所以應該可以快速的來提高吧!
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transcript.gazette[88].text 把這個範圍擴大,讓臺灣的勞工不會再看到這種數據,每年有五分之一的勞工,這五分之一裡面又有13.3萬因為要照顧家裡的失能、失智等對象而被迫離職。
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transcript.gazette[89].start 2026-03-26T13:58:53.181000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[89].text 這個會期如果可以決定,把辦法提出來,部長的內心深處應該是朝這個方向,那我們下半年度就可以實施,明年就可以馬上看到成效。
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transcript.gazette[90].start 2026-03-26T13:59:10.927000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[90].end 2026-03-26T13:59:11.527000+08:00
transcript.gazette[90].text 我們會努力啦,我們會努力。
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transcript.gazette[91].start 2026-03-26T13:59:12.027000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[91].text Your smile is beautiful. Ok?
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transcript.gazette[92].speaker 劉委員建國
transcript.gazette[92].start 2026-03-26T13:59:18.898429+08:00
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transcript.gazette[92].text Thank you. Ok. Bye-bye.
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transcript.gazette[93].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[93].start 2026-03-26T13:59:24.627000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[93].end 2026-03-26T13:59:27.198429+08:00
transcript.gazette[93].text 謝謝劉建國委員發言。
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transcript.gazette[94].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[94].start 2026-03-26T13:59:27.498429+08:00
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transcript.gazette[94].end 2026-03-26T13:59:32.355571+08:00
transcript.gazette[94].text 楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員,楊瓊瓔委員不在。
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transcript.gazette[95].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[95].start 2026-03-26T13:59:32.655571+08:00
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transcript.gazette[95].end 2026-03-26T13:59:35.227000+08:00
transcript.gazette[95].text 接著請陳瑩委員發言。
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