| IVOD_ID |
167973 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167973 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T13:27:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T13:37:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:27:06 - 13:37:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部長及勞動部部長就「在職照顧者支持體系是否完善、長照3.0服務輸送與長照安排假評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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現在的制度當下的制度這個制度就是形同虛設因為一個家庭有三個小孩都很困難的何況是三個六歲以下的所以行政院大概就已經拍板要放寬 |
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統計大概適用的家庭有144萬戶應該是符合資格的所以大概在下個月13號就開始申請那我有一些問題請教跟部長討論一下就是說我們有資格放寬了可是根據 |
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近期的民調指出台灣的女性假如聘僱外籍幫傭 |
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就是有四成沒有就業的人大概僅僅會有四分之一的人返回職場顯示這個放寬家庭看護工的部分對於振興理性的就業率好像成效有限那政策上路以後大概可以提高多少 |
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根本說明就是希望我們提高讓現在可能沒有工作的女性返回職場或能夠投入到這個職場裡面工作但我們有很多相對應的計劃在執行那當然這個 |
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外籍帮佣制度的这个心智或者说放宽其实它主要的目的我们自己在看它主要的目的其实是比较是在这些目前已经是双薪家庭的劳工里面那他们可能常常会遇到他照顾家庭照料家务然后跟他的工作里面会忙不过来会焦头烂额的状况所以我们比较是希望说这个如果你 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
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願意請或者是你有條件請然後你想要請的話讓他可以因為要照顧家家務而必須要離開職場的人數更減少所以主要是我們是希望讓更多的雙薪家庭他們可以更安心的 |
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工作然後對於家務的部分對家庭的部分能夠也可以減緩他們照顧跟這個做家務的壓力所以就是安心工作然後家庭減壓那我現在講的就是因為有一部分婦女因為現在單負責家庭照顧的責任 |
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所以她並沒有投入職場嘛我現在是想說等到新制上路了以後呢部裡面這邊應該要有相對應的措施跟政策來鼓勵或輔導這些想要投入職場的女性 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
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根本說明我們其實我們也一直在規劃甚至接下來會來精進這些婦女二度就尤其二度作業的婦女回到職場相關的計畫我想我們已經規劃到一個程度近期應該就會來做這個精進計畫的公布那放寬的外籍看護工大概對於對於現在現在的從事保姆工作的的人呢可能會有一些一些衝擊會不會 |
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如果都沒有任何配套的話可能會有一些在他們可能服務時數上或服務案員上面可能會有一點影響這可能會有所以這是為什麼要提出這個配套措施的原因那你們目前有配套嗎因為4月13號就上了我們其實這個配套大概怎麼樣 |
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部長簡要說第一個是我們會來協助讓這些托育人員開發更多的案源那增加他們勞務服務的機會那所以衛福部這邊其實也有相關的托育的媒合的平台那勞務部這邊我們也會針對家事的工作者本國的家事的工作者來建置這個媒合的平台讓他們找到更多可以服務的機會 |
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這部分那也包括我們可能包括也可能把它轉為育兒指導員我想那個衛福這邊有討論是不是能夠讓他能夠投入到育兒指導員的工作那勞動部這邊我們也目前近期其實也推動這個企業托育的政策企業托育政策可能也會創造更多托育相關的職缺那我們也會主動的來看假設他有意願的話就是現在現在的從事保姆工作的的相關人員哎就是 |
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保姆或托育員相關的如果他有機會如果他有意願的話那我們都可以願意進一步的來增加他的這個工作的這個勞務市場所以這個平台的建立就是很重要然後怎麼讓這些人不要因為移工政策的改變反而讓他們的工作有問題 |
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時間沒有關係我最後跟部長討論一下長照安排價就是說現在我們長照安排價是不是部裡面這邊的看法是怎麼樣我看民團呼籲除了必須要儘速推動以外還包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
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30天六成薪的假還有150天無薪彈薪請假對民營團體或各界其實的訴求跟期待我們都清楚了那但這部分我們只是跟衛福部也在討論因為衛福部的長照3.0剛上路那過去其實很多在長照在協助處理的過程裡面可能會有的空裝或者一些需求的狀況其實可能也會做蠻大程度的改善 |
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那應該衛福這邊目前也在盤點這個長到三年上路以後這些改善的狀況就是這空窗可能會縮短那可能會縮到多短這可能需要一點時間去做盤點也把需求的樣帶盤出來那我們再站照這樣子盤點的狀況大概再綜合的來思考那是不是要透過一個職場的制度或工作的制度來去做相關的因應但這部分確實是需要一些評估的過程對 |
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部長是這樣子因為台灣就是根據你們114年的調查有超過六成的勞工會因為家中長輩有長照需求考慮離職所以長照安排假好像是一個必須要做的要走的政策那有四成的雇主贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
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現在問題是在大概要抓多少天數 |
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懂我的意思嗎所以這要看需求的樣態這要看新的我們長照制度上路以後需求的樣態到底還有多少需求這部分確實是需要跨部會議來做討論部長的意思就是長照3.0國家的長照制度推的越好長照安排價的需求就越低就是說可能就沒有這麼多大家讓他很煩惱的時間 |
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對啦就是說長照3.0我再講一次長照3.0覆蓋面越廣空窗期越短連接的越緊密需要的長照安排架就天數可能我們在討論的時候就相對可以短一點嘛是不是這樣子當然所以目前你們可能也沒有長照安排架的內容的想像 |
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想要推動的初衷我們是了解的你們會贊成去推我們還是跟委員說明還是我們要先做這個需求的評估這個新的長照制度下的需求的評估需求我剛才已經講了你們的調查是六成以上的老公會因為家中長輩有長照需求而考慮彼此 |
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對 所以就像剛剛衛福部有回答過去可能你從出院到有長照的資源可能要50天左右可是他們現在大幅的把它縮短到4天 3天可能後來再縮短 對長照 |
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不僅限於出院的不只對所以有各種樣態所以這些各種樣態我們要先去做了解不然因為時間的關係我大概講一下就是說我們當然希望長到3.0 |
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退變以後可以覆蓋面更廣一點可是呢 承載安排價的部分你們可能也必須要我們都會綜合的思考及早做思考那至於我覺得就是說 |
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我向來主張勞工跟企業必須要同時兼顧那天數的部分你們可能在討論的時候也要一併就是長短啦假如說我在看台灣高齡化的速度還有長照3.0的覆蓋面 |
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長照安排價一定會經常被提出來討論那你們應該要及早做討論跟因應好不好好謝謝補習謝謝主席好謝謝楊耀維 |
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楊委員曜 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:06.410000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:06.571000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
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楊委員曜 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:07.113000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:08.639000+08:00 |
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主席，我請一下勞動部洪部長。 |
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0.917 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:08.639000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:08.799000+08:00 |
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有請洪部長。 |
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0.4 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:08.799000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:09.799000+08:00 |
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楊委員好。 |
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0 |
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楊委員曜 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:09.799000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:10.799000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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0 |
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楊委員曜 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:08.799000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:35.282000+08:00 |
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部長，因為現在家庭外籍幫傭的申請資格算是非常嚴格，必須要家裡有3個6歲以下的小孩子才可以申請，對不對？ |
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0.978 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:35.282000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:36.282000+08:00 |
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是，現制。 |
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0 |
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楊委員曜 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:36.282000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:37.282000+08:00 |
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對，現制。 |
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0 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:36.482000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:27:42.426000+08:00 |
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現在的制度、當下的制度。 |
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1 |
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楊委員曜 |
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這個制度就是形同虛設啦，因為一個家庭要有3個小孩都很困難了，何況是3個6歲以下的，行政院已經拍板要放寬，可是一下子就放寬為家中只要有一名未滿12歲的兒童就可以申請，現在政策方向是這樣嗎？是。是嘛。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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2026-03-26T13:28:11.563000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:28:22.969000+08:00 |
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可是每一個月必須繳交就業安定費5,000塊，勞動部這邊的統計，適用的家庭有144萬戶。 |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
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2026-03-26T13:28:22.969000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:28:27.153000+08:00 |
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應該是符合資格的。 |
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1 |
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楊委員曜 |
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2026-03-26T13:28:28.914000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:28:33.318000+08:00 |
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對，符合資格，大概在下個月13號就開始申請。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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2026-03-26T13:28:33.478000+08:00 |
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我有一些問題要跟部長討論一下，我們的資格放寬了，可是根據近期的民調指出，臺灣的女性假如聘僱外籍幫傭，有4成沒有就業的人，大概僅僅會有四分之一的人返回職場，顯示放寬家庭看護工的部分，對於振興女性的就業率好像成效有限，政策上路以後，大概可以提高多少？ |
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0.973 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-03-26T13:29:18.688000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:30:12.770000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，就是希望我們提高……讓現在沒有工作的女性返回職場，或是能夠投入到職場裡面工作，當然我們有很多相對應的計畫在執行，而外籍幫傭制度這個新制或者是放寬，其實它主要的目的，我們自己在判斷主要的目的，其實比較是在這些目前已經是雙薪家庭的勞工裡面，他們可能常常會遇到要照顧家庭、照料家務，然後跟他的工作之間，可能會忙不過來，會有焦頭爛額的狀況，所以我們比較希望如果願意請或者是有條件請，然後也想要請的話，讓因為要照顧家務而必須離開職場的人數可以更減少。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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1 |
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對，可以再投入。 |
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0.167 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-03-26T13:30:14.371000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:30:31.008000+08:00 |
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主要是我們希望讓更多雙薪家庭可以更安心的工作，對於家務的部分、對家庭的部分也可以減緩他們照顧跟做家務的壓力，所以就是安心工作，然後家庭減壓，這是最重要的目的。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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2026-03-26T13:30:31.188000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T13:30:39.698000+08:00 |
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我現在講的是因為有一部分婦女現在擔負著家庭照顧的責任，所以並沒有投入職場。是。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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我現在是說等到新制上路以後，部裡面應該要有相對應的措施跟政策來鼓勵或輔導這些想要投入職場的女性。 |
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1 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-03-26T13:30:56.420000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-26T13:31:10.410000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，我們也一直在規劃，甚至接下來會精進，尤其是二度就業的婦女回到職場相關的計畫，我想我們已經規劃到一個程度，近期應該就會做精進計畫的公布。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-26T13:31:12.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-26T13:31:24.839000+08:00 |
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放寬了外籍看護工的申請，大概對於現在從事保母工作的人可能會有一些衝擊，會不會？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-26T13:31:26.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-26T13:31:38.673000+08:00 |
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如果都沒有任何配套的話，在他們的服務時數上或服務案源上可能會有一點影響，這可能會有，所以這是為什麼要提出配套措施的原因。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-26T13:31:39.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-26T13:31:40.875000+08:00 |
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你們目前有配套嗎？有。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-26T13:31:40.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-26T13:31:42.056000+08:00 |
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因為4月13號就上路了。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-26T13:31:42.196000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-26T13:31:42.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
有，我們其實…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-26T13:31:44.158000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-26T13:31:44.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
大概怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-26T13:31:45.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-26T13:31:46.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
請部長簡要說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-26T13:31:46.920000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-26T13:32:30.732000+08:00 |
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第一個是我們會協助讓這些托育人員開發更多案源，增加他們勞務服務的機會，所以衛福部這邊其實也有相關的托育媒合平台，勞動部這邊也會針對本國家事工作者建置媒合平臺，讓他們找到更多可以服務的機會，也包括可能把他們轉為育兒指導員，我想衛福部這邊也有討論，是不是能夠讓他們投入到育兒指導員的工作，勞動部這邊近期也推動企業托育政策，企業托育政策可能也會創造更多托育相關的職缺，我們也會主動……假設他有意願的話。 |
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0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-26T13:32:30.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-26T13:32:35.133000+08:00 |
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就是現在從事保母工作的相關人員？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-26T13:32:35.733000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-26T13:32:47.699000+08:00 |
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就是保母或托育相關人員，如果有機會、如果他有意願的話，我們都願意進一步增加他工作的勞務市場。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-26T13:32:47.699000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-26T13:32:59.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
所以這個平臺的建立就是很重要，然後怎麼讓這些人不要因為移工政策的改變，反而讓他們的收入和工作有問題。當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-26T13:33:02.346000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-26T13:33:20.863000+08:00 |
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因為時間的關係，我最後跟部長討論一下長照安排假，對於長照安排假，部裡面的看法是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-26T13:33:20.863000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-26T13:33:34.053000+08:00 |
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我看民團呼籲除了必須要儘速推動以外，還包括30天6成薪的假，還有150天無薪彈性請假。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-26T13:33:36.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-26T13:33:40.095000+08:00 |
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民間團體或各界的訴求跟期待，我們都清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-26T13:33:41.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-26T13:34:02.501000+08:00 |
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針對這部分我們跟衛福部也在討論，因為衛福部的長照3.0剛上路，過去很多在長照協助處理過程裡面會有的空窗或者一些需求的狀況，可能也會做滿大程度的改善，衛福部目前也在盤點長照3.0上路以後這些改善的狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-26T13:34:02.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-26T13:34:21.670000+08:00 |
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就是這個空窗可能會縮短，至於會縮到多短，可能需要一點時間去盤點，也把需求的樣態盤出來，我們再按照這樣子的盤點狀況綜合思考，是不是要透過一個職場的制度或工作的制度去做相關的因應，但這部分確實是需要一些評估的過程。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-26T13:34:24.229000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:01.874000+08:00 |
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部長，是這樣子，根據你們114年的調查，臺灣有超過6成勞工會因為家中長輩有長照需求考慮離職，所以長照安排假好像是一個必須要走的政策，有4成雇主贊成，現在問題是在大概要抓多少天數，懂我的意思嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:02.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:05.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
這要看需求的樣態。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:05.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:10.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
這要看我們新的長照制度上路以後需求的樣態，到底還有多少需求？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:11.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:16.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
這部分確實是需要跨部會一起討論。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:16.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:24.844000+08:00 |
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部長的意思就是長照3.0、國家的長照制度推得越好，長照安排假的需求就越低嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:24.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:26.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:26.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:32.080000+08:00 |
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可能就沒有這麼多讓大家很煩惱的時間。對嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:33.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:40.505000+08:00 |
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我再講一次，就是長照3.0覆蓋面越廣，空窗期越短…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:41.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:42.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
銜接得越緊密。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:42.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-26T13:35:52.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
需要的長照安排假，在天數方面，可能我們在討論的時候就相對可以短一點，是不是這樣？當然！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-26T13:35:53.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-26T13:36:00.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
所以目前你們可能也沒有長照安排假內容的想像，譬如說我剛剛講的…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.69 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-26T13:36:03.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-26T13:36:04.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
想要推動的初衷我們是了解的。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-26T13:36:06.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-26T13:36:08.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
你們會贊成去推？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-26T13:36:10.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-26T13:36:16.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
還是跟委員說明，我們要先做需求的評估，新的長照制度下的需求評估…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-26T13:36:16.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-26T13:36:25.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
需求我剛才已經講了啊，你們的調查是6成以上勞工會因為家中長輩有長照需求而考慮離職啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-26T13:36:26.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-26T13:36:38.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
對，就像剛剛衛福部有回答，過去從出院到有長照資源可能要50天左右，可是他們現在大幅地把它縮短到4天、3天，可能後面還會再縮短。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-26T13:36:38.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-26T13:36:44.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
可是長照不僅限於出院。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-26T13:36:44.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-26T13:36:48.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
對，不止，有各種樣態，所以針對這些各種樣態，我們要先去了解跟釐清。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-26T13:36:50.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-26T13:37:03.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
部長，因為時間的關係，我大概講一下，我們當然希望長照3.0蛻變以後可以覆蓋面更廣一點。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-26T13:37:03.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-26T13:37:07.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
可是長照安排假的部分，你們可能也必須要及早思考。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.682 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-26T13:37:07.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-26T13:37:08.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我們都會綜合思考跟研議。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-26T13:37:16.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-26T13:37:44.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我向來主張勞工跟企業必須要同時兼顧，至於天數的部分，你們可能在討論的時候也要一併考量，就是天數的長短，我看臺灣高齡化的速度還有長照3.0的覆蓋面，長照安排假一定會經常被提出來討論，你們應該要及早討論跟因應，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-26T13:37:44.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-26T13:37:45.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
是，謝謝委員提醒。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-26T13:37:44.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-26T13:37:44.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-26T13:37:45.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-26T13:37:45.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
謝謝楊曜委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-26T13:37:45.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-26T13:37:50.701143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員，鄭正鈐委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-26T13:37:51.001143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-26T13:37:53.858286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
接著請李坤城委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |