| IVOD_ID |
167967 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167967 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T12:13:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T12:20:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/62ea4221ea272c4ec0e83b5f328c1840c30e9bbc489b48f659fafa764ae08f5331d4186e9443af555ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:13:07 - 12:20:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部長及勞動部部長就「在職照顧者支持體系是否完善、長照3.0服務輸送與長照安排假評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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我還是跟你先請教一下放寬家庭幫傭的申請資格你已經看到大概至少有34個民間團體出來反對他們反對的理由包括他們覺得這個做法沒有辦法有助於女性的就業環境的改善甚至可能影響臺灣本勞的市場 |
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甚至他們還提到了加深階級的不平等有關這一點就讓我想起來因為過去政府在阻擋代孕法案的時候性別跟人權影響評估常常被拿出來做理由那我請教洪部長這次開放外籍幫傭的政策好像你沒有做性別跟人權影響評估就直接宣布上路了不是這樣子的有嗎 你有做嗎有在進行我也覺得 |
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可是已經宣布了不是 跟委員說明第一個因為性別相關的這些評估是行政院的性評會提出要求的所以我們會在下一次行政院性評會的時候把報告定稿提到性評會裡面我希望不要太針對性就是性別跟人權評估不要太針對性如果要做就是原則上來做不是原則上來做 是要做 |
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要做 部長那上個會期其實我已經跟您提到了就是說這個政策當時我問你多少人那因為那時候沒有官方數字我是用學術界資料那當然今天你估出144萬戶可能受賄不是不是不是144萬戶可能受賄是 |
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他們符合有就是至少符合這個條件申請的資格符合條件可是他還要看他的意願包括他的能力包括他家庭空間所以並不是我不敢說這114萬因為這個相對因為成本那剛剛前面的委員都提到相對這個成本是高的那負擔的起的是有限的我們認為可能是前20%才有能力來處理那所以我們會懷疑說這個到底是全民政策還是真的幫助 |
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比較相對高收入的家庭等於用相對廉價的勞動力來達到這個多元說明其實在很多照顧喪志的政策它本來就會是分眾的所以它不是只是靠單一個政策可以解決所有人的問題那你有評估過嗎會有不同的政策去處理不同的痛點需求 |
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所以的確有一群人是有這個需求沒有錯但也有人也有其他勞工有別的需求我們也為他設計其他的政策有資格但是未必是要甚至我了解但是我想先請教勞動部你有能力引進多少家庭這個外籍幫助人你有多少能力能夠引進來你有盤點過或插盤推演過嗎 |
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跟委員說這不是要說我有能力引進多少但是的確我們也是在跟我們的母國這個來源的母國來討論因為我跟委員說因為就像之前在談這個免巴士量表的議題的時候我們其實當時其實也跟來源母國來討論是不是能夠擴大這個來源的這個來源量跟來源母國來做討論所以我們也跟他討論了幾個月的這個時間所以這一併是會有很多的配套要進行的 |
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不是 我知道當然你們同時在做這些是很辛苦但是我總要問你 你說我們沙盤推廣過你有能力引進多少那大概再來看我們需求多少因為這個變成國家政策第一個是我們認為這個申請的它可能會是比較漸進式的不好意思 那個請衛副次長也能夠上來一起 |
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因為衛福部規劃最近最快今年4、5月開放醫院要聘這個外籍互佐要減輕護理師的壓力所以這個部分也是跟勞動部有關的請問現在是次長請問次長你覺得我們要多少人力才夠外籍互佐已經宣布了報告委員我們會開放是中階勞動力不是那個技術人力不是這個外籍互佐沒有 |
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所以在第四四五月你規劃是這個時候要因為要外籍護醫院聘嘛醫院需要外籍護佐當然有一些阻力可是衛福部已經講了其實我都有數字119年前要2000人我跟委員報告我們在長照這邊確實在夜間人力這邊我們會引進外籍 |
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總結勞動力這個是確定的市長您現在是否認說有外籍戶左這件事嗎因為當然護理師本身有很多的關注跟委員報告是外籍照服員不是戶左照服員 |
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那也是勞動部要影響嗎我們現在知道的資料是應該是衛福部的住院整合計畫這一支計畫裡面要有外籍的補佐員應該不是外籍補佐你們彼此的政策有互相理解嗎 |
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你們有做橫向的聯繫嗎我們收到的資料是他們是住院整合照護計畫這個計畫裡面會有一個比較像是照顧的輔佐 |
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但是他一樣要有專業跟語言上面的訓練所以不是外籍互左部長我再談一下這個泰伯他開除工會幹部的時候你看看這個左邊這個投影片勞動部說絕不容忍那部長你知道最近泰伯不斷的透過媒體跟輿論等各種方法來試圖打壓工會董事長甚至祭出一億元的獎金 |
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鼓勵社會各界來輸出資方或打壓工會那勞動部隊這個資方這些動作有處理嗎因為你當時說絕不容忍啊你看這個標題我請市長來說明我們現在那個進入裁決的時候然後請簡短說明 |
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另外一個報告目前他工會有提出兩個裁決申請案第一個案子有關教唆會員退會的這個部分我們會在4月17號再召開一次詢問會議後會盡快的做一個裁決決定第二有關是解雇理事長這個案子我們也受理了那我們也盡快的審理也會盡快的來做處理 |
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你們不可以冷眼旁觀我們絕對是依法處理部長我最後一個提醒是少子化的社會會仰賴更多的移工移工的勞錢問題會越來越多如果勞動部沒有做好準備整個國際都非常關心我們非常關注這部分 |
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影響我們的很多貿易協定尤其是大家現在在談強迫勞動尤其捷安特是一個非常重要的例子這個前車之鑒那請勞動部多加注意謝謝兩位接下來請侯孟愷委員發言 |
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謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:09.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:11.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
麻煩請洪部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:11.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:13.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
陳委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:13.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:15.740000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:15.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:16.841000+08:00 |
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部長，我先請教有關放寬家庭幫傭申請資格一事。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:16.861000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:38.639000+08:00 |
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你已經看到大概至少有34個民間團體站出來反對，至於反對的理由，包括覺得這樣做無助於改善女性就業環境，有時候甚至可能影響臺灣本勞的就業市場，還有人提到加深階級的不平等。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:38.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:41.820000+08:00 |
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這一點讓我想起過去政府在阻擋代孕法案時，性別與人權影響評估常常被拿出來當作理由。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:41.901000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.001000+08:00 |
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我請教洪部長，這次開放外籍幫傭的政策，好像沒有做性別與人權影響評估就直接宣布上路了，部長…… |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
不是這樣子的！有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
你有做嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
有在進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
我也覺得…… |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-26T12:13:43.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:05.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
有在進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:05.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:07.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
可是已經宣布了！不是！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:07.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:20.341000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，第一，與性別相關的評估是行政院性平會所提出的要求，所以我們會在下一次行政院召開性平會時，把報告定稿提到性平會。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:20.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:21.481000+08:00 |
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我了解，我希望不要太有針對性。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:21.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:27.404000+08:00 |
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也就是性別與人權評估不要太有針對性，如果要做就是原則上來做…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:28.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:29.945000+08:00 |
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不是原則上來做，是要做！要做？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:30.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:33.968000+08:00 |
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部長，上會期我已經跟您提過有關這個政策的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:34.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:38.652000+08:00 |
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當時我問你有多少人，不過那時候沒有官方數字，所以我希望你能引用學術界資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:39.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:41.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
今天你估出可能有144萬戶受惠…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:43.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:52.279000+08:00 |
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不是144萬戶可能受惠，而是他們的申請資格符合條件…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:52.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:53.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
就是他們符合條件。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:52.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:57.180000+08:00 |
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可是還要看意願，包括能力，包括家裡的空間，所以我不敢說這144萬…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:57.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-26T12:14:58.660000+08:00 |
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我非常清楚，畢竟相對的成本是高的，這點前面已經有委員提到，所以負擔得起的家庭是有限的。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.41 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-26T12:14:58.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:15.185000+08:00 |
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我們認為可能是前20%的家庭才有能力來處理，所以我們會懷疑這到底是全民政策，還是在幫助相對比較高收入的家庭？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:15.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:18.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
等於用相對廉價的勞動力來達到…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:19.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:27.432000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，其實在很多照顧政策上本來就是分眾的，所以並非只靠單一政策就可以解決所有人的問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:27.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:28.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
你有評估過…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:28.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:31.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
會用不同的政策去處理不同的痛點需求。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:33.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:38.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
的確，有一群人是有這個需求沒有錯，但也有人、也有其他勞工有別的需求…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:39.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:39.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
我了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:39.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:40.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我們也為他設計其他的政策…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:40.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:42.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
也就是有資格，但未必要申請，這點我了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:42.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:47.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
但我想請教勞動部，你有能力引進多少家庭外籍幫傭人力？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:47.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:49.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
你有多少能力能夠引進來？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:49.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-26T12:15:49.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
你有盤點過或沙盤推演過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-26T12:15:52.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:00.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
跟委員說明，這不叫我有能力引進多少，但我們也是在跟來源的母國討論…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:01.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:02.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我認為…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:02.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:21.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
就像之前在談免巴氏量表的議題時，我們當時其實也跟來源母國在討論是不是能夠擴大來源量，我們也討論了好幾個月的時間，所以一併會有很多配套要進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:22.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:27.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
部長，我知道你們同時在做這些事情時是很辛苦的，但我總要問你有沒有經過沙盤推演，你有能力引進多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:28.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:31.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
之後再來看我們的需求是多少，因為這已經變成國家政策了。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:31.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:34.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
第一個，我們認為來申請的可能會是比較漸進式的…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:34.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:36.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
不好意思，請衛福部次長也一起上台。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:40.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:50.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
衛福部規劃最快在今年4、5月開放醫院可以聘外籍護佐，以減輕護理師壓力，這也跟勞動部有關。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:52.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:53.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
請問次長，你覺得要有多少外籍護佐的人力才夠？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:53.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:53.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這已經宣布了。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
呂次長建德 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:53.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:54.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
報告委員，我們開放的是中階勞動力，不是那個…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:54.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:55.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
你預估…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
呂次長建德 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:54.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:55.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
是技術人力，不是外籍護佐…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:55.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:56.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
外籍護佐…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
呂次長建德 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-26T12:16:56.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-26T12:16:56.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
沒有、沒有、沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-26T12:17:11.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-26T12:17:19.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
你們規劃4、5月……因為醫院需要外籍護佐，這當然會有一些阻力，可是衛福部已經講了啊……其實我都有數字，119年前要2,000人…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
呂次長建德 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-26T12:17:19.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-26T12:17:33.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我跟委員報告，在長照這部分，尤其是夜間人力方面，我們會引進外籍中階勞動力，這是確定的。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-26T12:17:33.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-26T12:17:37.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
次長現在是否認有外籍護佐這件事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-26T12:17:38.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-26T12:17:40.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
護理師對此當然會有很多關注。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
呂次長建德 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-26T12:17:40.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-26T12:17:41.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
請副司長說明一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳副司長青梅 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-26T12:17:41.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-26T12:17:44.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
跟委員報告，是外籍照服員，不是護佐。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
呂次長建德 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-26T12:17:46.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-26T12:17:46.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
對，照服員。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-26T12:17:47.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-26T12:17:48.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
這也是勞動部要引進的…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-26T12:17:49.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:02.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我們現在知道的資料是，衛福部的住院整合計畫裡有外籍輔佐員…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:02.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:03.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
其實是同一件事，跟剛剛盧委員講的…… |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:02.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:02.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
應該不是外籍護佐。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:04.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:06.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
請問衛福部跟勞動部對彼此的政策有互相理解嗎？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:08.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:09.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
你們有做橫向聯繫嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:09.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:10.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
你負責引進，他…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:09.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:13.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我們收到的資料是住院整合照護計畫裡面會有一個比較像照顧的輔佐人員…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:13.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:19.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
陳昭姿委員請注意時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:19.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:25.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
謝謝，最後一個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:25.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:25.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
可是一樣要有專業跟語言上的訓練，所以不是外籍護佐。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:25.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:26.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
次長請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:26.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:26.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
對泰博開除工會幹部一事，勞動部說絕不容忍，請部長看一下投影片。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.607 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:27.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:53.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
最近泰博不斷透過媒體跟輿論等各種方法試圖打壓工會，董事長甚至祭出一億獎金鼓勵社會各界來…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:53.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:54.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
陳委員，請縮短發言讓他們回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:54.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:55.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
打壓工會，勞動部對資方的這些動作有處理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:55.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:55.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
因為你們當時說絕不容忍，你看一下標題。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:55.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:56.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
我請司長說明我們現在裁決的狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-26T12:18:57.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-26T12:18:57.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
請簡短說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
王司長厚偉：跟委員報告，目前工會提出兩個裁決申請案 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:11.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:24.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
第一個，有關教唆會員退會的部分，我們會在4月17日召開諮詢會議後，會儘快做出裁決決定；第二個，有關解僱理事長的案子我們也受理了，也儘快在審理，會儘快來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:26.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:27.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
你們不可以冷眼旁觀，因為你們當初也…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:27.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:28.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
委員，我們絕對依法處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:28.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:29.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
我了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:29.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:30.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我們絕對依法處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:28.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:32.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
我最後提醒，少子化社會就是會仰賴更多的移工，所以移工的勞權問題會越來越多！ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:32.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:33.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
如果勞動部沒有做好準備的話……畢竟整個國際都非常關心外籍移工的問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.645 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:33.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:33.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
我們非常關注這部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:46.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:47.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
這會影響我們很多貿易協定。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:47.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:49.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
尤其是大家現在在談強迫勞動。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:49.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:53.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
尤其捷安特是一個非常重要的例子！當然！ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:53.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:53.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
前車之鑑，請勞動部多加注意。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
陳委員昭姿 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:53.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:53.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
謝謝兩位，謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:53.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:54.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
謝謝陳昭姿委員的發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-26T12:19:53.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-26T12:19:54.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
接下來請洪孟楷委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.818 |