| IVOD_ID |
167964 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167964 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T11:36:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T11:51:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/62ea4221ea272c4e736fcaafd91cc16cc30e9bbc489b48f659fafa764ae08f53aa0c9bef82072cda5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃秀芳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:41 - 11:51:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部長及勞動部部長就「在職照顧者支持體系是否完善、長照3.0服務輸送與長照安排假評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請洪部長有請洪部長 |
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本席想請教一下 從4月13號起 家中有一名未滿12歲的兒童就可以申請外籍幫傭你們會宣布這樣的一個政策 你們是已經討論很久 |
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那可能也許會有一些你們需要的一些配套措施嗎那有這樣的一個想法你們是討論多久然後才推出這樣的一個政策出來其實從去年去年其實就已經開始研議了那包括我們跟衛福部跟行政院其實也一直在做這些相關的研議的討論那這個會影響的家庭有多少 |
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先跟委員說明第一個是以目前的這個開放的這個適用的有申請資格的是144萬戶可是並不是有申請資格就會來申請那麼你們預計會有多少人會來申請 |
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第一個是其實因為的確都會涉及到這些家庭他的需求狀態也包括他的經濟負擔是也包括涉及到他家裡有沒有空間所以不是那麼容易有一個公式可以套進去說可以有個具體的數字那你們預計你們自己應該我們認為的確因為現在方用是2000的確會比這個數字應該會增加不少這樣子 |
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那我們現在能夠做的事情是我們會先把相關的資源就是說假設會有受到比方說本國的工作者他需要我們多幫助的話這個就業的或者是擴大他勞務市場的計畫我們會跟衛福部一起先來把它準備好 |
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好那部長就是之前我們也有提到就是說80歲免巴士量表那現在我們又開放這個外籍幫傭那這個會不會排擠到就是說我之前一直在提到就是說可能一些家裡面真的需要的這個重症或者是急重症的這樣的一個這個有這樣的一個家庭的 |
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會不會受到排擠那部長當然我記得我是上一次有特別有問過你那這一次我們又放寬這個外籍幫傭的這個部分那我想請教就是說你們會去評估那到底這個外籍移工來到台灣之後這個外籍幫傭或者是外籍看護工那他會不會去選擇他的雇主那當然會選擇他比較好照顧的嘛 |
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跟文說明其實在去年這個舊法46條修正後我們其實有研議的一個六個方向的配套那在8月的時候上路確實經過這半年的時間半年多的時間來看的話其實我們看到我們的配套確實是有效果的配套的目的當然就是希望能夠減少過去大家擔心的那個所謂器重則輕的這個狀況我們其實 |
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因為大家會擔心這件事情所以我們透過一些方式讓重症可以優先包括是現在我們這個如果這個外籍看護他他這個要媒合的時候我們其實是14天內是優先給重症的雇主來去做登記承接你這個外籍幫傭的部分因為你有這一次有針對 |
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家裡面就是特殊的這個家庭那也有做一些放寬嘛對不對那這個的話一般家庭跟比較特殊的這種部分你們會有去做區分嗎就像你說重症的可能會優先那這個的部分你們也會有這樣子一個 |
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也會 我們在比較是特殊需求跟弱勢的家庭我說弱勢的指的是他可能是單親的家庭 特定的家庭或者是有家長生長或者是他的小孩有罕病 少療 發展遲緩可能之類的我們把他的救安費給降低到2000塊 |
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那在我們的這個行政的審核上面我們也有專案的人員會把他提前優先來做審理那也包括在相關的這個人力假設進入到承接轉換承接的時候重症的家庭或特殊需求家庭我們其實也是讓他是優先承接的 |
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好 那我想請教就是說你們這個政策出來之後你們有去評估就是說會對原本在這個職場我們講的這個外籍放寬這個外籍幫傭那原本在做保姆或者是做家庭幫傭的本國勞工會有多大的影響你們有做這樣的一個評估嗎有 跟委員說明第一個是我們認為可能對於既有的托育人員 |
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或者是這個家事服務的本國的人員其實如果我們都沒有任何配套可能的確會對他們可能服務的時數會有一點影響可能會有一點影響所以這是為什麼我們其實才要你一個配套然後包括我們也編列會編列資源來去協助他們擴大他們現在勞務市場包括我們會設我們會有規劃跟一個跟他們的這個媒合的平台 |
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那衛福部現在應該就有這個拖圓圓的媒合的平台他們應該會擴大的來進行可是現在的媒合平台不是就直接交給仲介去處理嗎目前我們如果要聘僱外籍不是不是現在我指的是本國給本國的工作者的部分 |
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這是給本國工作者的部分他們其實會有媒合的平台他們也會擴大那勞動部這邊我們也會對本國的家事的服務員的部分其實我們也會設計這個媒合的平台一個服務的專區讓他們目的是讓他們擴大他們可以服務的勞務市場我們也希望就是說當然我相信你們就是說你們這個政策推動出來是要補我們的這個 |
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勞力不足的部分是這樣子嗎你們有去做評估嗎其實跟原本你這樣的一個政策你應該是要就是補這個我們原本的可能本勞他對於這個家事這個可能 |
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不想去參與這樣或者是從事這樣的一個家事的一個工作那是要去補充我們勞力不足的這個部分那你們確實是有去評估過有我跟委員說明其實我們跟很多他其實潛在可能有需要的家庭我們其實也跟他做訪談我自己親自也訪談那的確我舉個例子比方說夜間 |
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夜間是比較不容易找到本國的工作者來協助的那也有很多他其實雙薪家庭的老公他會跟我們反映說他其實晚上有這樣的需求比方說他可能晚上他有跟我們表達說他希望能夠有他自己想要進修或者是 |
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他有夜班或者是他其實晚上會有兼差的接案他其實晚上也有這樣的需求可是晚上的部分夜間的部分就是很難找到本國的工作者來去協助他那也會有一些剛才講到特進的家庭他的需求是特別高的所以他也會特別需要希望有人可以來幫他做家務上面的分擔的部分所以我們其實在這幾個月裡面就是針對這需求的部分進行相對應的這些評估 |
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好我們一方面也不希望就是說因為我們有放寬這個外籍幫傭的這個條件之後然後去衝擊到本國勞工的這個工作機會那另外一方面就是說又是另外一個層次的就是說原本這個勞動市場會不會因為我們有這樣子的一個外籍幫傭那剛剛部長有特別提到就是說也會讓這個本籍的 |
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本級的我們的勞工好的這個市場能夠再更加的一個擴大更多的機會好那我想請教就是說我們放寬這個外籍幫傭然後來到台灣那剛剛部長有特別提到就是說讓本 |
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本國的勞工的這個工作機會能夠比較大原本他可能從事這樣的一個工作的這個工作機會更大那我想請教就是原本如果這個你們有其中有一項就是說你們有相關的配套那其中有一項就是確保家務工作品質 |
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那你們有說這個基本就是要幫庸就培訓或者是育兒指導員 倒宅指導服務技巧這是其中的一項配套嗎是 但是它比較是基本的對 那我想請教就是說這個主責單位到底是地方政府或者是衛福部那你們可以做到這麼吸到倒宅沒錯 |
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我跟委員報告啦因為我們少子女化我們現在知道現在很多新手爸媽他們現在目前其實很需要有一些倒宅的指導這個我們是學日本我跟委員報告他的倒宅指導主要是就是說他從孕婦產期第三期第四期就開始進入做一些相關諮商到時候你們要做嫁禮你們要做嫁禮其實是說你孩子你現在已經在做了還是阿伯未來我們現在開始 |
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現在開始 那個經費就是我們從社安網的那個經費來處理那一般的民眾他要怎麼申請他現在就是說你要申請那個各項育兒津貼的時候我們就請說問問問說政府現在有提供這個服務我們現在是委託各地方政府迎來所以你也是4月13號以後才會去推動這個我們現在目前應該現在就已經開始了嘛對不對 到來之後那只是說對象會擴大因為他現在比較是弱勢的 |
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如果是個案的需求我們現在是倒載指導的部分在市安網那未來的話我想我們在少子女化的對策裡頭會擴大到一般的家庭也跟委員報告我們現在目前就是說我們也希望就是說保姆因為他都有年輕的這個經驗嘛現在來做這個育兒製造員非常非常好所以說我們這個本文的行業勞動部兩邊我們密切密切配合讓我們的這一個我們的保姆他可以有更多元的一個整個就業選擇 |
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好,我希望就是說不要因為放寬外籍幫傭然後衝擊到本國勞工的工作機會這是我們絕對放在很優先的事情所以我們不管不只是計畫,包括相關的經費那我們都會盡量的來去做協助 |
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好那另外就是說部長以前我們都在講說0到6歲國家一起養就是孩子那這樣的一個政策的一個轉變就是可能這個國家政策子女是國家要跟這個我們人民一起來努力一起來協助的那這樣子的話我們現在就是說放寬這個外籍幫傭好像就是說把這個育兒的這個部分就是 |
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轉到私領域就是說好像就是把這個責任轉嫁到就是說你自己去處理這樣這種感覺就是說整個政策是不是有點轉彎不是我們並沒有轉彎是我想衛福部也很清楚這個我們的包括我們的整體的這個托育的資源包括其實就像我們也在推動這個職場的彈性化是 |
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其实都是希望更大程度的用政府的制度去支持这些可能需要育儿或有家务需求的这个家庭那以劳动部来说我们其实也是在几周前三周前我们其实也是强化一个企业托育的政策把它提出来就是希望鼓励更多的企业投入到 |
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托育设施里面去投资到托育设施企业投入到托育设施政府就大力的来支持企业所以这都是在扩大我们整体的托育资源公共托育资源的部分我想这部分我们不会松手而且包括卫福部包括整个行政院我们都还这还是非常非常重要的方向的对没有改变 |
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好 那我們希望就是說今天最主要我是希望就是說我們放寬這樣的一個政策之後絕對不可以去衝擊到我們本國勞工的一個工作機會不論是保母也好或者是家事這個家庭幫傭本勞的一個家庭幫傭我覺得不要去衝擊到這樣因為確實你外籍幫傭他的這個薪資當然是比本國的勞工的薪資還低嘛 |
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那也許他就會轉到有資格他可能就會請這個外籍幫傭這個我覺得一般的常情應該都是這樣子然後我要請一個比較熟的也不一定其實我們其實問下來也不一定因為其實因為我們做了一些訪談其實他們蠻多跟我們說其實他有這個家務幫傭的需求可是他還是會把小孩送托 |
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因为现在托育中心跟托育机构它的功能其实很多包括对小孩的早期的发展包括其实对于一些安全的保护健康的部分其实这都是现在很多托育的功能这都不一定都是能够这个家务帮佣可以帮得上的事情所以他们都说他即便需要 |
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外籍幫助 可是他還是會把他送托蠻多都跟我們表達這樣的事情那當然就是說我們也要持續去評估啦這個會不會造成什麼樣的影響我希望就是衛福部跟勞動部這邊都要去持續的去評估然後去看到底是不是真的會對於整個就業市場會有一些影響當然 我們會一直隨時觀察然後我想我們接下來的工作就是把配套跟支持的方案給做足是 好 謝謝 |
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好 谢谢黄秀芳委员发言接下来请图全级委员发言 |