| IVOD_ID |
167962 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167962 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T11:24:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T11:33:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/62ea4221ea272c4e735625ced0a4fe681db4e8dc12ee0255144d5468a2b72bfd334a1e86bb4a3c825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:24:57 - 11:33:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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對 人大要召委我們可以給你時間盡情發揮謝謝主席 是不是有請公平會這個陳代理主委好 請公平會主委 謝謝 |
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委員好這個主委辛苦那幾個問題就從你的這個業務報告裡面來跟您請教就是說這個淨零啊淨零轉型跟ESG這是目前的趨勢但是會打著淨零跟ESG的這個口號或者這個大旗啊然後這個進行綠色行銷啊 |
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綠色行銷當然你會有那種greenwashing 就是說漂綠那你們報告裡面也說這個變成這個市場競爭秩序的一些新興的威脅所以你的報告裡面說碳中和淨零這些未來會列為不實廣告的查核重點但是事實上數據來看這個是哪一個業務處在主管 |
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它是我們不公平競爭處就是涉及到不實廣告的部分所以過去這一年有沒有針對這個所謂greenwashing的行為有沒有任何的採取我們有採取過我印象中應該是兩件 |
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那個案子 它是涉及到對外宣稱創造一些實際上不存在的那個跟那個禁令有關的執行 譬如說整個綜合屍等等事實上以這個東西來吸引消費者來那有沒有裁罰呢有 有裁罰裁罰的金額是多少錢我們目前沒有罰還上的裁罰我們只是告訴他你違法 那我們用金額去罰那就是沒有裁罰嘛 |
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這個口頭告誡警示我們用警示的方式警示那一點效果都沒有嘛那你有沒有後續最終他這個類似的行為有沒有繼續存在他們的東西大概都已經他們的廣告都下架了在我們處分有沒有法則就是他們不再進行這個條例的我是覺得像這個絕對不是個案你如果沒有公權力發揮的這個這個嚇阻力或者制裁力他這個一定是我頂多被口頭警告而已 |
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所以他的行為會繼續存在可能變本加厲所以我未來我希望今天質詢之後是不是公平會針對這個Greenwashing的行為一定要用採取的方式所以我們會密切注意但是因為有時候業者他的那個有時候他已經沒有在營業或者說營業金額非常的低然後第一次出販等等我們在罰款的決定上有一些標準我們會綜合考慮當然委員談到如果說企業夠大 |
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態度不佳或是說經常在從事這個行為我們就會重罰因為你報告說這是你們一個不時廣告的查核重點重點你就是要這個實際上去全面的去查核只要有人檢舉或者你們發現你們就要去主動去查核這部分我們都持續有在監測但我覺得目前你們相關的做法這個在你們報告裡面我覺得相對是被動消極你要看其他國家它有它的這個事前的這些防治 |
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然後有相關的作業準則所以這個部分 主委我希望你們未來事前管理跟可驗證性這兩個方向你們要去研究事前管理還有可驗證性還有一個比較公平或者比較客觀的查核標準 |
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謝謝委員的指導我們持續會監控這方面的行為那當然這個所有的作為都會持續的進進監控要有效果要有效率效率就是及時去處理那效果你監控的時候你要有一個相對相對的查核手冊讓我們同仁依據這個手冊馬上去你這可能要跟環境部合作製定一個國外都有這個所謂廣告查核手冊 |
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還有一個標準所以這個部分我覺得是不是在未來三個月把它完成會同這個衛福部我們回去研究一下看這個該怎麼做會比較好那當然這也涉及到可能我們必須要跟環境部那邊來是啊所以我已經提出這個建議我把想法跟你講那你不是說回去研究一下這不可行又完全沒有任何動作 |
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所以查核要有效果跟效率你要有一個所謂的這個查核守舍這個其他國家都有這個相關以科學作為根據所以這部分我拜託主委三個月之內 |
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跟衛福部一個月之內跟衛福部去研究怎麼樣去制定一個查核的指引或者查核的手冊我們跟環境部會共同來思考然後就是在委員的三個月內給委員一個報告另外你這個宣導也是很重要不要讓這個企業用這個greenwashing去作為不實廣告破壞公平競爭第二項問題就是說 |
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這個不動產不動產跟這個加盟的招募你們這個財閥過去最多就是大概不動產嘛對不對是不論是服務業還是製造業服務業競爭處是服務競爭處好這個這個部分 |
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變成一個105件是一個重災區啊所以你那違法的樣態都集中在不實加成或者未提供這個加盟的重要資訊房地產的部分不動產的部分就是不實加成那這個所謂加盟的招募是未提供加盟重要資訊因為這個已經出來105件 |
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除了裁罰金額是多少錢 裁罰金額是多少 總共1580億元所以代表說這個部分普遍存在你們除了實施加罰之外 你們要有更好的防止的措施包括警示機制的預警功能也好 或者你要累犯要罰還要加倍 |
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這個部分這個有沒有在考慮我們的罰緩就是剛剛跟委員報告大概依照我們的施行細則36條我們會綜合各個因素考慮那當然我也了解委員的關切就是這些不動產生產可能資本額非常大然後沒有辦法達到嚇阻的效果那這些東西我們在委員會討論罰緩的時候都會有去具體的考慮那這個累犯呢累犯當然會加重 |
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現在是加重比例多少其實並沒有說一個固定要加多少比例但是只要他過去曾經犯過我們一定會把這個法案再加重 |
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罰則就是要給他們有嚇阻效果他是因為才會收斂這類似的行為才不會再發生如果你連罰則都沒有善用的話那恐怕他不會他不會理會你的這個行政的管理行政管理不夠一定要用比較高強度的這個行政裁罰是我們要注意這個問題另外加盟資訊的這個透明化2.0這部分你有沒有想法你要包括比較具體的平均收啦或者過去的違約比例等等 |
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把這個資料庫把它建立起來讓這個加盟的陷阱能夠減少我想因為一些宣導是有在做就是跟這些加盟事業有談到說哪些資訊是你在加盟當下必須要可以跟他要來了解的那這些相關的資訊我們也都持續會去注意到底是不是有些新的要進來 |
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那通常這些資訊是在整個加盟產業協商過程當中普遍大家都會重視的一些那這些東西我們要求加盟業者要揭露給加盟企業加盟陷阱存在如果受到這個加盟陷阱受到傷害的都是中小企業或者是小資本或者是一些中南部很多是加盟商如果先是陷阱他可能血本無歸 |
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所以我們大概事前我們積極有在宣導這個加盟的一些相關的原則讓業者可以知道還有很多議題要跟您請教因為實際上的關係我必須要遵守事件好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-03-26T11:25:18.669000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-03-26T11:25:21.750000+08:00 |
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是不是有請公平會陳代理主委？ |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-26T11:25:22.290000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-26T11:25:23.371000+08:00 |
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好，請公平會主委，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-26T11:25:27.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-26T11:25:28.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-26T11:25:29.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-26T11:25:29.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
主委辛苦。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-26T11:25:31.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-26T11:26:18.588000+08:00 |
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幾個問題，從你的業務報告裡面來跟您請教，淨零轉型跟ESG是目前的趨勢，但是會打著淨零跟ESG的口號或大旗進行綠色行銷，綠色行銷當然會有greenwashing（漂綠），你們報告裡面說這個都變成市場競爭秩序的一些新興威脅，所以你的報告裡面說碳中和、淨零未來會列為不實廣告的查核重點，但是實際上以數據來看，是哪一個業務處在主管？ |
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0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-26T11:26:20.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-26T11:26:23.609000+08:00 |
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是我們的公平競爭處，就是涉及到不實廣告的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-26T11:26:23.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-26T11:26:31.058000+08:00 |
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在過去這一年針對所謂的greenwashing的行為，有沒有任何的裁處？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-26T11:26:32.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-26T11:26:47.751000+08:00 |
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我們有裁處過，我印象中應該是兩件案子，它是涉及對外宣稱創造一些實際上不存在跟淨零有關的職銜，譬如中和師等等，事實上以這個東西來吸引消費者。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-26T11:26:48.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-26T11:26:48.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
有沒有裁罰呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-26T11:26:49.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-26T11:26:50.112000+08:00 |
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有裁罰。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-26T11:26:50.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-26T11:26:53.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
裁罰金額是多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-26T11:26:53.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-26T11:26:59.598000+08:00 |
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我們目前沒有罰鍰上的裁罰，我們只是告訴他違法，我們用警示的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.793 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:00.198000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-26T11:27:03.112000+08:00 |
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那就是沒有裁罰嘛，這個口頭告誡…… |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:04.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-26T11:27:04.993000+08:00 |
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是，我們用警示的方式。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:05.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-26T11:27:09.497000+08:00 |
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警示一點效果都沒有，你有沒有後續追蹤後？ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:09.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-26T11:27:11.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
他類似行為有沒有繼續存在？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:12.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-26T11:27:15.882000+08:00 |
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他們的廣告都已經下架了，在我們處分後就下架了。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:15.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-26T11:27:18.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
有沒有罰則？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:18.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-26T11:27:20.185000+08:00 |
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就是他們不再進行漂綠的行為。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:20.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-26T11:27:44.678000+08:00 |
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我是覺得像這個絕對不會是個案，如果沒有公權力發揮嚇阻力或者制裁力，他一定是……頂多被口頭警告而已，所以他的行為會繼續存在，可能變本加厲，所以未來我希望在今天質詢之後，公平會是不是針對這一些greenwashing行為一定要用裁處的方式？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:45.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-26T11:27:56.060000+08:00 |
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是，我們會密切注意，但是因為有時候業者已經沒有在營業，或者營業金額非常地低、第一次初犯等等，我們在罰鍰的決定上有一些標準，我們會綜合考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-26T11:27:56.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-26T11:28:01.982000+08:00 |
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當然委員談到如果企業夠大、態度不佳，或者經常在從事這個行為，我們就會重罰。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-26T11:28:01.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-26T11:28:14.104000+08:00 |
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因為你們的報告說你們會針對不實廣告為查核重點，重點就是要實際去全面查核，只要有人檢舉或者你們發現就會主動去查核。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-26T11:28:14.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-26T11:28:16.745000+08:00 |
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這部分我們都持續有在監測。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-26T11:28:16.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-26T11:28:30.309000+08:00 |
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但你們目前相關的做法，在你們報告裡面，我覺得相對是被動、消極，你要看其他國家有事前防制、有相關作業準則。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-26T11:28:30.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-26T11:28:42.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
所以這個部分，主委，我希望你們未來針對事前管理跟可驗證性這兩個方向，你們要去研究。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-26T11:28:44.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-26T11:28:50.747000+08:00 |
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事前管理還有可驗證性，要有一個比較公平或客觀的查核標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-26T11:28:52.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-26T11:28:59.677000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝委員的指導，我們持續會監控這方面的行為，當然所有的作為都會持續地精進。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-26T11:28:59.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-26T11:29:30.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
監控要有效果、要有效率，效率就是及時去處理，至於效果，你監控的時候要有相關的查核手冊，讓同仁依據這個手冊馬上去……你這個可能要跟環境部合作，制定一個……國外都有所謂的廣告查核手冊，它有一個標準，所以這個部分，我覺得是不是在未來三個月把它完成，會同衛福部？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-26T11:29:31.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-26T11:29:36.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我們回去研析一下，看該怎麼做會比較好，當然這也涉及到我們可能必須要跟環境部來…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-26T11:29:36.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-26T11:29:44.611000+08:00 |
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是啊，所以我已經提出這個建議，我把想法跟你講，你不要回去研究後說這不可行，你又完全沒有任何動作。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-26T11:29:45.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-26T11:29:56.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
所以查核要有效果跟效率，你要有一個所謂的查核手冊，其他國家都有相關的，以科學作為根據……是。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-26T11:29:56.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-26T11:30:07.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
所以這部分我拜託主委三個月之內……一個月之內跟衛福部去研究怎麼制定查核指引或者查核手冊。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-26T11:30:07.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-26T11:30:13.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
好，我們跟環境部會共同思考，在委員說的三個月內給委員一個報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-26T11:30:13.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-26T11:30:22.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
另外，宣導也是很重要，不要讓企業用greenwashing去作為不實廣告，破壞公平競爭。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-26T11:30:22.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-26T11:30:38.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
第二個問題，不動產跟加盟招募，你們過去裁罰最多的大概就是不動產嘛，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-26T11:30:39.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-26T11:30:40.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
不動產是服務業還是製造業？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-26T11:30:40.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-26T11:30:40.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
服務業競爭處？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-26T11:30:40.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-26T11:30:41.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
是服競處。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-26T11:30:41.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-26T11:30:50.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
投影片上的部分，105件是重災區啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-26T11:30:52.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-26T11:31:05.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
違法樣態都集中在不實夾層，或者未提供加盟重要資訊。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:05.429000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:11.461000+08:00 |
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不動產部分就是不實夾層，所謂加盟招募未提供加盟重要資訊，你們已經處分105件，裁罰金額總共是多少？ |
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0.238 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:11.461000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:17.493000+08:00 |
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一千五百多吧，1,581萬。 |
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0.125 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:17.493000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:38.528000+08:00 |
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所以代表這個部分普遍存在，你們除了持續加罰之外要有更好的防制措施，包括警示機制的預警功能也好，或者累犯罰鍰要加倍，有沒有往這個方向考慮？ |
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0.857 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:38.528000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:57.016000+08:00 |
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我們的罰鍰，就是剛剛跟委員報告，依照施行細則第三十六條會綜合各個因素考慮，當然我也了解委員的關切，就是這些不動產建商可能資本額非常大，沒有辦法達到嚇阻的效果，這些東西在委員會討論罰鍰的時候，都有具體地考慮。 |
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0.905 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:57.016000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:31:59.177000+08:00 |
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那累犯呢？ |
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1 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:00.017000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:00.838000+08:00 |
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累犯當然會加重。 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:01.838000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:03.081000+08:00 |
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現在加重比例是多少？ |
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0.889 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:04.605000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:10.319000+08:00 |
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並沒有說固定要加多少比例，但是只要他過去曾經犯過，一定會把罰鍰再加重。 |
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0.938 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:12.310000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:17.154000+08:00 |
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罰則就是要給他們有嚇阻效果，行為才會收斂，這類似行為才不會再發生。是。 |
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0.935 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:18.054000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:29.602000+08:00 |
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如果你連罰則都沒有善用的話，恐怕他不會理會你的行政管理，行政管理不夠，一定要用比較高強度的行政裁罰。 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:29.602000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:30.783000+08:00 |
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是，我們會注意這個問題。 |
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0.9 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:30.783000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:35.026000+08:00 |
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另外加盟資訊透明化2.0，這個部分你有沒有想法？ |
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0.95 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:35.567000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:47.176000+08:00 |
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包括比較具體的平均營收，或者過去的違約比例等等，資料庫把它建立起來，讓加盟陷阱能夠減少。 |
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0.975 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-03-26T11:32:49.658000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:02.330000+08:00 |
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我想宣導應該是有在做，就是跟這些加盟事業有談到說，哪些資訊是你在加盟當下可以跟他要來了解的，這些相關資訊，我們也都持續會去注意到底是不是有一些新的要進來。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:03.571000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:12.776000+08:00 |
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通常這些資訊在整個加盟產業協商過程當中，是普遍大家都會重視的，這些東西我們要求加盟業者要揭露給加盟企業。 |
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0.98 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:12.776000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:26.303000+08:00 |
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因為加盟陷阱存在，受到傷害的都是中小企業、小資本，或者中南部很多是加盟商，如果陷入陷阱他可能血本無歸。 |
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0.913 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:29.061000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:32.928000+08:00 |
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在事前我們有積極宣導加盟的一些相關原則，讓業者可以知道。 |
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0.923 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:33.248000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:36.934000+08:00 |
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還有很多議題要跟你請教，但因為時間上的關係，我必須要遵守時間。謝謝。 |
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0.8 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:36.934000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:37.035000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:37.535000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:39.535000+08:00 |
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謝謝邱志偉委員。 |
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0.286 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:39.835000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-26T11:33:43.263571+08:00 |
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請洪孟楷委員質詢，時間4分鐘。 |
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