| IVOD_ID |
167960 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167960 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T11:00:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T11:20:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:20:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
廖偉翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:00:19 - 11:20:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部長及勞動部部長就「在職照顧者支持體系是否完善、長照3.0服務輸送與長照安排假評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席剛剛這個淑芬委員其實她在探討這個議題我覺得的確是一個值得你可以在另外排個時間好好的演繹我想這個今天難得有兩個這麼大的部會的部長都來我相信很多人想問的事情很多所以這個建議主席你可以之後再排一天那我想要先請衛福部時部長來有請時部長 |
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部長好今天講這個長照其實是蠻重要因為我國已經進入高齡化社會所以我這個長照體系常常面臨人力增長幅度追不上需求的狀況這跟昨天這跟昨天很多相關的這個醫事人員或是這個需求都有相關性那我想問一下這個幾副標準有關於長照這個實務上面臨幾副標準是有多久沒有調整了 |
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這個應該是每年都是在做一些新增沒有 相關的工會跟我說從上路過來到現在其實已經有九年沒有完全的沒有全方面的去調整過應該是說應該是這樣講就是跟這個健保是一樣啦就是有提案的時候那我們就調整那不然的話它是隨著那個那個 |
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部長我跟你說其實有很多這個居服人員居服聯盟策略聯盟相關的工會其實都有反應長年沒有調整了那這幾年物價漲了多少 |
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也漲了很多喔那這個部分是不是可以盡速去全面的檢討和調整服務給付的價格而且他們希望因為沒有定期的去檢討這個機制常常導致他們反映了你們也沒有想要調整或是認真的去研究要怎麼調整 |
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所以這個部分我要把這個意見民間意見帶給你因為這個需求變得越來越多但是人員的待遇也是一樣並沒有獲得提升對這個可以理解因為這個 |
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我們在這個健保方面它是有一個總額的成長率那成長率裡面會去考慮到CPI去調整它每年的幅度那但是這個長照的給付呢它是用這個10支10付1.1塊錢的方式在操作 |
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那所以如果這個CPI我們可以考慮說如果你這個CPI的變動達到多少或者是定期多久來做一個檢討對 我覺得定期這件事情是要做的好不好我們來考慮部長可不可以答應本席趕快去研議跟相關的工會我請那個創造師來討論這個就是我本席的具體要求很明顯啦在這個簡報上第一個就是我要爭取這個看是不是依物價指數你每兩年檢討一次和調整然後 |
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這個第二個是希望也趕快去建立所謂的造福員的分級跟進修的這個機制啊好這個部分我也希望可以鼓勵新人也可以讓資深造福員願意久任喔所以部長這兩個意見我要代表這個造福或是長照相關的作業人員來跟你爭取好不好您可不可以回去研議 |
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好 這個我們研議一下你可不可以給我一個月之內給我明確的答覆你們的時間表是什麼好 我們來研議一下看看這個如何來融入到隨著這個物價的檢討機制部長那你可不可以給我一個時間表好不好 你可不可以給我一個時間表好不好就是說你這個研議的時間表是什麼這兩個具體的需求 |
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好 那就一個月一個月內給本席因為我還會再找這些相關的工會來討論好不好好 |
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那再來因為這個長照我也是進入細節來問喔部長在過去幾年其實全台的居扶機構的違規裁處啦查核不足啊甚至有很多系統資訊串聯不足的問題喔甚至有導致一些弊案的產生譬如說長照基金可能被詐領等等的我想要問一下這個你們的監察院之前有要求你們做建全國裁罰統一平台你們建了嗎 |
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這個平台已經有了在這個今年會去完成系統的開發啦大概在年底之前就可以你們現在已經有了嘛對不對監察院去年的九月有說過你們要去做這個平台所以你說已經有了是不是我請那個市長說明一下 |
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跟委員報告因為監察院去年有下這樣的一個意見那我們去年的那個新增的經費排不進去所以我們是在今年今年的新的案件裡面有把它放進去那整個按照期程的規劃在今年年底之前可以完成年底你確定嗎你要真的要到年底喔你先看一下其實你們現在就有所謂的裁罰平台了現在這個裁罰平台是連結地方政府而且是依法 |
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依法要公開的好依法要公開是不是好我再進來給你看這是你們有的所以我們進來看一下幾個亂象你看看你光台北市政府你就設定了兩個連結然後台東的點進去就只是他們的新聞資訊頁根本也不是財閥網頁然後我們再看一下高雄的高雄市政府的點進去只有五筆資料然後這五筆資料有三筆它是違反食安法的違反食品廣告 |
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違規的 還有時評宣傳廣告不實的那至今跟長照有關的裁罰公告案件也只有兩件喔所以請問一下你們在做什麼東西這個資訊平台請問食安也是你們的這個平台的公佈範圍嗎 |
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那個可能連結有跑掉那跟委員報告當時我們希望就是因為案件會不斷的出來所以我們期待的是我們連結到地方的裁罰的一個專區那直接都是那你沒有去督導你好像是沒有督導我我隨便點了好幾個都是亂七八糟的根本就沒有根本就沒有所謂 |
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真的需要的資訊在裡面是 也跟委員報告因為昨天我們其實是試著上我們的專區那我們這邊非常完整的其實都是長照的那總共有67案沒有 我剛剛才進了你們的我們剛才進了你的網站點進去就是現在這個樣子好 那我們會回去馬上這個已經是能力的問題了這個資訊的整理有很大的問題好 我們改善 |
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對部長你知道這個問題嗎我想這個大概是過度性質的因為真正的會在年底之前完成那個那個才是真正完整的部長這是理由部長這是理由我跟你講這個東西你們要負督導責任你不是丟給地方政府他隨便舔然後你好像都不關你的事大家是依賴你中央政府的網頁看資訊的 |
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所以我要跟你分享有兩個縣市一個是台中市一個是嘉義縣的社會局其實他們在公告的表格格式上面至少也做得很好一個是台中一個是嘉義縣他們違反了什麼法令違規者是誰他一看就知道那你們是不是應該要給各個縣市政府一個統一的表格統一的格式呢 |
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這個跟委員說明我們未來在開發這個系統的時候就會讓它比較有標準式的現在這個只是急救章先讓它有連結的方式而已急救章過渡企業應該也有所作為那我問你你建構系統要多少錢 |
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這個是配搭我們的系統因為這個整個是我們的照管系統所以這個只是裡面的一項資料好部長我跟你講坦白講現在各縣市裁罰跟公告的案件數真的也沒有到那麼多我們有去查很多縣市甚至是一件都沒有那也根據你們回傳給我的資料過去五年加總起來是78件 |
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要公開的可能還更少所以到底有沒有認真在追蹤我先不問的情況之下在這麼少的資料的情況之下你這個過渡其實應該一張表格就可以搞定了還需要去外包什麼資訊工程嗎那當然你說你要整合其他的功能OK但是你這個過渡的部分你應該這樣處理就可以了不是嗎 |
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跟委員說明一下大概這中間有一些資訊上的落差這78件只是在申報這個長照的幾戶上的虛符報案件而已那當然還有一些長照機構的一些違法的樣態那個都是在地方去裁罰所以長照師會再去彙整其他的這個違法樣態把它彙整起來這78件只是指的是在虛符報的案件而已 |
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是啊,但是你整個加起來會有多少?你這個同意表格應該就是做得出來了。這個可能要大家了解一下才知道。不過未來是希望他查的時候是比較能夠一次性的,現在都是用連結的方式。對,所以你很亂,然後再來就是每個,你們沒有去督導。那所以我要再詢問一下,在這些裁罰裡面,其實連一件主動公告詐領案件的資訊都沒有。 |
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這個是很嚴重了吧 這個應該要公告了吧就根據你們提供給我的資料喔屏東縣裁罰的案件近四年有十七二二七件就是十七件 兩件 兩件 七件喔那你知道你們的裁罰網頁裡面屏東的部分怎麼寫的嗎你們知道嗎 你有去看嗎 你沒讀到對不對屏東寫的是零件喔 屏東的地方政府給你的是零件 |
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那甚至在台南的這個乍領5400萬的廠商呢民眾也不知道到底是哪一間所以我想要說的事情是這個公告標準在民眾的認知裡就是有問題的那你們內部有資訊流通的機制嗎或者是如果你在台南這個乍領了5400萬的這個外部廠商如果還或者是高雄的這個長照機構AB表 |
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領的這些社會的詐領案在你們的平台上是完全沒有公告的而且站在民眾的立場今天不管詐領登錄不實或各種這些重大爭議其實只要未達公告門檻那其實你們而且你們資訊也沒有真的落實登錄上去其實民眾要怎麼辨別這個風險他怎麼有安心的說讓自己家中的長輩去接受這個服務的單位有沒有違規的紀錄而且甚至你現在的這個狀況就跟昨天我們討論的有點像 |
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一家機構 特約單位 他如果這個長照人員在A縣市被查到有虛報 有這些問題 相關問題的時候B縣市是不能夠馬上查到的所以你就可能導致後面的事情發生喔所以我剛剛說的事情是 你現在說年底要建好這個系統 其實 |
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你們這個是推託因為你在這個過程中你這一年發生了任何事情你們可以負責嗎所以這一年你其實剛剛我像我說的你就是告訴地方政府你的表格要有哪些內容回報回來的時候你要有人去審查 |
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是不是可以做到至少你短期可以做到這件事情是跟委員說明齁那先跟委員釐清幾個觀念我們長福法裡面母法有授權裁罰的樣態才可以在我們現在要求他公開讓民眾可以查這我知道這個是前提這個是但是我剛剛已經講到很多那對對 |
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那您舉的這個屏東的那個樣態他並不在我們的財閥的這個長福法授權可以去公開這樣的一個單位所以剛剛委員關心到說有一些這個業者我只是舉幾個例子給你聽但是我剛剛已經把你按進去這些連結看過了所以你現在是要用這個理由來說所以你們的平台做的 |
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我們沒有說我們只是說現階段因為裁罰是地方的權責所以我們其實是希望裁罰是地方的權責但是資訊透明是你的責任你的得到責任也是需要及時的如果地方政府都要透過送到中央中央再來公佈的話 |
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事實上會有時效的問題你還是沒有回答我的問題我剛剛說你給他們統一的表單格式然後他們報回來你要去督導這樣子你聽得懂我的意思嗎因為我感覺你一直在找很多理由喔我理解委員的意思委員希望我們能夠做得更精準能夠更完善你說讓他們回報問題是你說你依法讓他們回報結果他回來給你一個連結難道你都不用查嗎 |
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難道你都不用去看他連結到底合不合理嗎那每個縣市回來的表的不同然後資訊還有這種違反食品安全的違反食安法那是你要的資訊嗎當然不是都不是對不對那你跟我扯這個對嗎其實一剛開始連結都是正確的那我相信是地方政府可能又有一些異動然後沒有讓我們知道所以早自這個連結發生現在委員看到的這種樣態那我們會來改善 |
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好 部長所以我要表達的事情是其實長照的需求越來越高那今年的預算也高達了一千一百多億但是現在發生的就是管理漏洞也會越來越多 |
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因為根本預算你根本在執行量當然就是需求很大所以你在這個人力資源管理上面甚至是你連這個管理這樣子資訊的表格都出了問題有人去造假就能夠領錢變成名副其實的Excel Pay他就可以隨便上網中央跟你申請然後到地方再另外拿錢炸領了五千多萬 |
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這個我相信大多數在這個長照領域服務的人都是本於愛心本於熱情而且都是兢兢業業在做這些事情但是你現在管理不當就是讓不孝業者有機會去鑽漏洞 |
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請部長在年底出來前你現在馬上請你們去做這件事情把這個資訊的漏洞都把它補起來然後也要讓跨縣市的整合垂直整合都要可以清除資訊透明可不可以這個資訊的揭露的部分我們來這個檢討改善 |
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所以我第一個要你給我就是具體的承諾一個是一個月內可以上線可搜尋的全國採訪查詢功能的完善的這個資訊然後要有一個檢討的配套機制也就是說它上線的時候是不是你在資訊平台上就要有一個log說有更新的資料所以你就要去核對 |
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他給的資料對不對這個在資訊上很簡單它不是一件很難的事第二個是你三個月內要趕快建立這個跨縣市的裁罰預警的通報機制跨縣市裁罰的時候你應該讓地方政府彼此知道不要A縣市罰了B縣市不知道 |
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第三個是你們在這個本會期前也可以提出你這個所謂長照集合人力的補足方案因為剛剛所謂的很多問題是集合的問題對不對有人可能通報了你們沒有辦法集合沒有足夠人力集合所以導致有這樣的漏洞所以這個部分希望 |
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包含昨天我講的兒少的質詢你們CRC的採訪平台這些資訊其實是同一件事這顯示衛福部在資訊管理治理上面的能力是有待加強我們不要講得太難聽你們資訊治理能力真的要加強好不好好最後我還是要邀請一下我們的這個請石部長回座我要請一下洪森漢部長 |
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六人好部長好部長這個最後還是要請教一下部長其實針對現在重啟核能成為討論的議題話題 |
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好議題熱點那有不少的學者投出投書投書指出因為非核家園是民進黨一貫的方向那核能的人才伴隨現在AI產業興起然後能源重新這個檢討那世界爭搶也造成了台灣核能的相關專業人才出走或者轉行現在要重新培育迫切急需加速喔甚至投書也提出勞動部應該建立 |
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這個核能級的特殊技術人才培訓專案所以這部分呢勞動部也有不可或缺的角色包含第一個是技術標準的提升譬如說現有的焊接啦配管啦非破壞檢測等國家技術式的檢定那可能需要針對所謂核能級的高規格需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
998.9 |
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1019.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
跟核安會合作開發更高等的培訓課程這是第一個技術標準提升第二個是人才缺口的補足所以面對核能人才這個斷層勞動部需要透過執訓體系加速培養機電還有移控等基礎工程人力來才能支撐核電廠的興建或者是重啟工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1020.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1039.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
第三個是移工與專業外籍人才的審核勞動部負責核發外國專業人才的工作許可若需要引進國外的核能工程團隊勞動部需要配合經濟部簡化或優化相關的申請流程請問一下部長你對這個方向有做規劃或研議的打算嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1040.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1070.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
根本說明關於這些相關的這個專業技能的人才當然我們都我們當然願意來跟目的世界主管機關當然看他們有沒有相關的類似需求有沒有我們要配合協助的地方那這也不是只是在核能的部分而是綜合的這些專技的人才我們都會跟目的世界主管機關來做討論看他們有沒有這個需求因為有些人才的訓練他有他一定的體系跟他一定的這個相關的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1070.526 |
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1082.498 |
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副部長配合是被動的現在我們看到賴清德總統願意起義來歸檢討能源政策那你們除了被動配合你們勞動部有沒有主動規劃有沒有相關的時間表因為培訓人才並不是現在說要就馬上有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1087.763 |
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1092.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
這個培訓人才是3到5年你等到定案還來得及嗎會有一些專業的人才其實是會要來自目的事業主管機關提出他們的需求比方說勞動部絕對不會去培訓醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1108.62 |
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1136.198 |
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討論部不會去...醫師有他...所以委員我說的是說醫師有他這個養成的體系專業養成的體系討論部不會去培訓醫師這個部分嗎?那我當然可以來跟目的世界主管一般討論他們有沒有在人才需求這個人才上面他們要怎麼來去做克服這部分可以討論部長我想這個是國家發展國家安全還有能源安全的相關重要的議題這個社會大家都很關心喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1136.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1155.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
所以我才會問出這樣的問題請你們回去跟相關部會去演繹去問他們有沒有需要你趕快提出這些培訓的包含技術提升標準還有包含人才缺口有沒有需要補足包含著移工跟專業外籍人才有沒有需要審核這三件事情要提醒部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1156.076 |
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1181.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
像這樣子的專業的特定的專業的領域的確就是要是目的社會主管評估他的需求包括他人才養成的方式那這個部分我們第一個會尊重目的社會主管機關那如果有他們有需要我們幫忙的地方我們當然願意來去做我們可以做的所以部長會願意配合他們就是培養就是看他們提出這個相關的需求然後他們提出你就會配合就是我剛才舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1182.945 |
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1203.95 |
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醫生可能很多地方現在也覺得沒有我只是問說那如果今天勞動部會來培訓醫生今天經濟部和河安會需要這些人才他主動跟你提你配合嗎當然我們可以一起討論一起討論那你會配合嗎我們會一起討論看需求跟彼此的分工所以意思就是說你身為勞動部長你會配合他們然後彼此分工跨部會之間本來就有很多業務需要一起討論 |
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1204.99 |
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OK 所以我是針對這個問題就是核能專業人才的部分跨部會有很多議題我們會開放性的討論謝謝部長 這個主席剛剛有一點差別待遇剛剛蘇芬委員講了半個多小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1220.316 |
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1233.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
那我想要跟你說一下說部長 紅部長社會大眾其實也很想了解啊當初的反核少年跟現在沒有立場願意配合行政部的行政院的勞動部長哪一位才是真正的紅身漢謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-03-26T11:00:21.928000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-03-26T11:00:22.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
（11時）謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-03-26T11:00:22.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-03-26T11:00:39.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
其實剛剛淑芬委員在探討的這個議題，我覺得的確是一個值得你再另外排個時間好好研議的，今天難得有兩個這麼大的部會的部長都來了，我相信很多人想問的事情很多，所以這個建議主席之後可以再排一天。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-26T11:00:41.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-26T11:00:42.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
我想要先請衛福部石部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-26T11:00:43.027000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-26T11:00:43.047000+08:00 |
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請石部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-26T11:00:43.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-26T11:00:50.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
廖委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-26T11:00:50.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-26T11:00:51.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-26T11:00:51.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-26T11:01:09.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
今天講的這個長照議題其實滿重要的，因為我國已經進入高齡化社會，所以長照體系常常面臨人力增長幅度追不上需求的狀況，這跟昨天很多相關的醫事人員或是需求都有相關性。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-26T11:01:10.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-26T11:01:16.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
我想要問一下，有關長照實務上的給付標準有多久沒有調整了？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-26T11:01:20.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-26T11:01:23.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
這個應該是每年都在做一些新增，或者是如果有提…… |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-26T11:01:23.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-26T11:01:30.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
沒有，相關的工會跟我說，從上路以來到現在，其實已經有9年沒有全方面調整了。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-26T11:01:32.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-26T11:01:42.834000+08:00 |
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應該這樣講，就是跟健保是一樣的，就是有提案的時候我們就調整，不然的話，它是隨著…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-26T11:01:46.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-26T11:01:54.460000+08:00 |
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部長，我跟你說，其實有很多居服人員、居服聯盟、策略聯盟相關的工會，都有反映長年沒有調整。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-26T11:01:55.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-26T11:01:56.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
這幾年物價漲了多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-26T11:01:57.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-26T11:02:05.116000+08:00 |
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也漲了很多，這個部分是不是可以儘速全面檢討和調整服務給付的價格？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-26T11:02:05.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-26T11:02:23.326000+08:00 |
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而且因為沒有定期去檢討這個機制，常常導致他們反映了，你們也沒有想要調整，或是認真地去研究要怎麼調整，所以這個部分我要把這個民間意見帶給你，因為這個需求變得越來越多。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-26T11:02:23.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-26T11:02:24.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
我了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-26T11:02:24.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-26T11:02:27.829000+08:00 |
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但是人員的待遇也是一樣，並沒有獲得提升。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-26T11:02:29.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-26T11:02:50.206000+08:00 |
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對，這個可以理解，因為我們在健保方面是有一個總額的成長率，成長率裡面會考慮到CPI，去調整它每年的幅度，但是長照的給付是用實支實付、1點1塊錢的方式在操作。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-26T11:02:53.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-26T11:02:59.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
我們可以考慮如果CPI的變動達到多少，或者是定期多久來做檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-26T11:02:59.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:01.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
對，我覺得定期這件事情是要做的，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:02.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:02.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
這個我們來考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:02.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:05.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
部長，可不可以答應本席趕快去研議，跟相關的單位…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:05.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:07.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
好，我請長照司來討論這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:08.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:17.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
本席的要求很具體，都在這個簡報上，第一個就是我要爭取長照給付標準是不是能依物價指數，每兩年檢討一次和調整。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.796 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:20.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:32.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
第二個是希望趕快去建立照服員分級跟進修的機制，這個部分我希望可以鼓勵新人，也可以讓資深照服員願意久任。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:33.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:41.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
所以部長，這兩個意見我要代表照服員或是長照相關作業人員來跟你爭取，您可不可以回去研議？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:42.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:43.664000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
好，這個我們研議一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:43.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:50.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
你可不可以一個月之內給我明確的答復，你們的時間表是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:50.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:56.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
好，我們來研議一下，看看這個如何融入隨著物價調整的檢討機制，還有實際成本的做法。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.694 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-26T11:03:56.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-26T11:03:58.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
部長，你可不可以給我一個時間表？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-26T11:04:01.590000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-26T11:04:03.790000+08:00 |
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就是你這個研議的時間表，就這兩個具體的需求。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-26T11:04:09.677000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-26T11:04:10.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
好，那就一個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-26T11:04:11.658000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-26T11:04:16.242000+08:00 |
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一個月內給本席，因為我還會再找相關的工會來討論，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-26T11:04:17.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-26T11:04:20.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
再來，長照這塊我要進入細節來問。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-26T11:04:21.326000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-26T11:04:34.633000+08:00 |
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部長，過去幾年其實全臺居服機構的違規裁處及查核不足，也有很多系統資訊串聯不足的問題，甚至導致一些弊案的產生，比如長照基金可能被詐領等等。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-26T11:04:35.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-26T11:04:42.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我想要問一下，監察院之前有要求你們建全國裁罰統一平臺，你們建了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-26T11:04:45.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-26T11:04:52.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
這個平臺已經有了，今年會完成系統的開發，大概在年底之前就可以完成。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-26T11:04:52.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-26T11:04:54.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
你們現在已經有了，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-26T11:04:54.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:01.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
監察院去年9月說過你們要去做這個平臺，你說已經有了，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:01.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:03.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我請司長說明一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:04.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:22.395000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，因為監察院去年有下這樣的意見，但我們去年新增的經費排不進去，所以我們在今年新的案件裡面有把它放進去，按照期程的規劃，在今年年底之前可以完成。年底？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:22.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:23.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
你確定嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:23.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:24.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
真的要到年底喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:24.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:27.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
你先看一下，其實你們現在就有所謂的裁罰平臺，這裡！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:27.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:33.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
現在這個裁罰平臺是連結地方政府，而且依法是要公開的。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:34.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:35.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
對，你連結了嘛，依法要公開是不是？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:35.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:39.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
好，這是你們有的，我們再進來看一下幾個亂象。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:40.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-26T11:05:49.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
你看看，光臺北市政府你就設定了兩個連結，然後臺東的點進去就只是他們的新聞資訊頁，根本也不是裁罰網頁。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-26T11:05:51.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:05.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我們再看一下高雄的，高雄市政府的點進去只有5筆資料，然後這5筆資料有3筆是違反食安法、食品廣告違規，還有食品宣傳廣告不實的。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:06.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:13.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
至今跟長照有關的裁罰公告案件也只有2件，所以請問一下，這個資訊平臺你們在做什麼東西？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:13.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:16.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:16.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:18.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
請問食安也是你們這個平臺的公布範圍嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:20.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:21.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
可能連結有跑掉。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:22.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:31.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
跟委員報告，當時就是因為案件會不斷地出來，所以我們期待的是我們連結到地方裁罰的專區，直接都是執行的最新資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:31.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:32.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
你們有沒有去督導？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:32.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:34.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你好像是沒有督導喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:34.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:41.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我隨便點了好幾個，都是亂七八糟的，根本就沒有真的需要的資訊在裡面。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:42.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:51.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
跟委員報告，昨天我們其實有試著上我們的專區，我們這邊是非常完整的，其實都是長照的案件，總共有67案。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:51.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:55.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
沒有，我剛剛才進了你們的網站，點進去就是現在這個樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:55.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:57.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
好，我們回去馬上要求地方政府更新。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:57.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:59.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
這已經是能力的問題了，這個資訊的整理有很大的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-26T11:06:59.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-26T11:06:59.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
好，我們改善。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-26T11:07:05.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-26T11:07:06.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
部長，你知道這個問題嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-26T11:07:06.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-26T11:07:15.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我想這是過渡性質的，因為真正的專區會在年底之前完成…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-26T11:07:15.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-26T11:07:16.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
部長，這是理由，其實…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-26T11:07:16.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-26T11:07:20.939000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
那個才是真正完整的，這個只是用連結的方式…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-26T11:07:22.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-26T11:07:30.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
部長，這是理由，我跟你講，這個東西你們要負督導責任，你不是丟給地方政府隨便填，然後好像都不關你的事，大家是依賴你中央政府的網頁看資訊的。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-26T11:07:33.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-26T11:07:48.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我要跟你分享，有兩個縣市，一個是臺中市，一個是嘉義縣的社會局，其實他們在公告的表格格式上面做得很好，違反了什麼法令、違規者是誰，一看就知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-26T11:07:48.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-26T11:07:54.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
你們是不是應該要給各縣市政府一個統一的表格、統一的格式？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-26T11:07:58.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-26T11:08:08.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
跟委員說明，我們未來在開發這個系統的時候就會有標準格式，現在這個只是急就章，先讓它用連結的方式而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-26T11:08:08.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-26T11:08:08.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
急就章？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-26T11:08:09.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-26T11:08:11.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
部長，過渡期也應該有所作為。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-26T11:08:11.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-26T11:08:12.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
我問你，你建構系統要多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-26T11:08:17.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-26T11:08:23.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
因為這整個是我們的照管系統，所以這只是裡面的一項資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-26T11:08:23.487000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:08:31.074000+08:00 |
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部長，我坦白跟你講，現在各縣市裁罰跟公告的案件數真的也沒有到那麼多，我們有去查，很多縣市甚至是1件都沒有。 |
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0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-26T11:08:31.535000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-26T11:08:41.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
根據你們回傳給我的資料，過去5年加總起來是78件，公開的可能還更少，所以你們到底有沒有認真在追蹤？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-26T11:08:41.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-26T11:08:50.916000+08:00 |
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我先不問，但在資料這麼少的情況之下，過渡期應該一張表格就可以搞定了，還需要去外包什麼資訊工程嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-26T11:08:51.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-26T11:08:56.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
當然，你說你要整合其他的功能，OK，但是這個過渡的部分你應該這樣處理就可以了，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-26T11:08:57.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-26T11:09:24.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
跟委員說明一下，這中間有一些資訊上的落差，這78件只是在申報長照給付上的虛浮報案件而已，當然還有一些長照機構違法的樣態，那個都是地方去裁罰，長照司會再彙整其他的違法樣態，再把它彙整起來，這78件只是指虛浮報的案件而已。 |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-26T11:09:24.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-26T11:09:26.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
是啊，但是整個加起來會有多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-26T11:09:27.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-26T11:09:28.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
你這個統一的表格應該做得出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-26T11:09:28.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-26T11:09:35.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
這可能要再了解一下才知道，我希望未來查的時候是能夠一次性的查詢，現在都是用連結的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-26T11:09:36.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-26T11:09:37.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
對，所以很亂。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-26T11:09:37.525000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:09:47.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
再來就是你們沒有每個去督導，所以我要再詢問一下，在這些裁罰裡面，其實連一件主動公告詐領案件的資訊都沒有，這個是很嚴重了吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-26T11:09:48.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-26T11:09:48.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
這個應該要公告了吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-26T11:09:48.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-26T11:09:49.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
對，這個都…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-26T11:09:49.603000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:10:04.387000+08:00 |
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根據你們提供給我的資料，屏東縣裁罰的案件近4年分別有17件、2件、2件、7件，但你知道你們的裁罰網頁裡面關於屏東的部分是怎麼寫的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:04.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-26T11:10:05.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
你們知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:05.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-26T11:10:05.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
你有去看嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:05.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-26T11:10:06.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
你沒督導，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:06.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-26T11:10:23.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
屏東寫的是0件，屏東地方政府給你的是0件，甚至在臺南詐領5,400萬的廠商，民眾也不知道到底是哪一間，所以我想要說的是這個公告標準在民眾的認知裡就是有問題的。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:24.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-26T11:10:26.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
所以你們內部有資訊流通的機制嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:28.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-26T11:10:40.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
就像這件臺南詐領了5,400萬的外部廠商，或者是高雄長照機構用AB班表詐領的這些案件，在你們的平臺上是完全沒有公告的。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:40.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-26T11:10:53.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
而且站在民眾的立場，今天不管詐領、登錄不實或是各種重大爭議，其實只要未達公告門檻……而且你們資訊也沒有真的落實登錄上去，民眾要怎麼辨別這個風險？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:53.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-26T11:10:55.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
他怎麼會安心？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:55.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-26T11:10:56.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
怎麼知道自己家中的長輩去接受服務的這個單位有沒有違規的紀錄？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.793 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-26T11:10:56.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-26T11:11:14.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
甚至你現在的這個狀況就跟昨天我們討論的有點像，一家機構、特約單位，如果長照人員在A縣市被查到有虛報，有這些相關問題的時候，B縣市是不能夠馬上查到的？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-26T11:11:14.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-26T11:11:17.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
所以就可能導致後面的事情發生。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-26T11:11:18.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-26T11:11:29.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
我剛剛說的事情是，你現在說年底要建好這個系統，其實這個是推拖，因為在這個過程中，這一年發生的任何事情，你們可以負責嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-26T11:11:31.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-26T11:11:39.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
就像我剛剛說的，你就是要告訴地方政府表格要有哪些內容，等回報回來的時候要有人去審查，是不是可以做到？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-26T11:11:39.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-26T11:11:41.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
至少你短期內可以做到這件事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-26T11:11:41.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-26T11:11:55.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
是，先跟委員釐清幾個觀念，長服法的母法有授權裁罰的樣態，才可以讓我們現在要求它公開讓民眾可以查詢，這個是前提。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-26T11:11:55.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-26T11:11:57.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
這個我知道，但是我剛剛已經講到很多…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-26T11:11:57.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-26T11:12:00.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
對，對，您舉屏東的那個樣態，它並不是長服法授權可以去公開的一個單位，所以剛剛委員關心到有一些業者…… |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:00.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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2026-03-26T11:12:01.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
我只是舉幾個例子給你聽，但是我剛剛已經按進去把這些連結看過了，所以你現在是要用這個理由來說你們平臺做的…… |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:19.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-26T11:12:20.154000+08:00 |
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我們沒有說，我們只是說現階段因為裁罰是地方的權責，所以我們其實是希望資訊…… |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:20.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-26T11:12:20.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
裁罰是地方的權責，但是資訊透明是你的督導責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:20.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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2026-03-26T11:12:38.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
對，資訊也是需要即時的更新，如果地方政府都要透過送到中央，等中央再來公布的話，事實上會有時效的問題，所以我們現階段才會用連結。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.649 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:38.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-03-26T11:12:44.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
你還是沒有回答我的問題，我剛剛說你給他們統一的表單、格式…… |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:44.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-26T11:12:45.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
這個沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:44.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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2026-03-26T11:12:48.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
然後他們報回來，你要去督導，這樣子你聽得懂我的意思嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:48.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-03-26T11:12:51.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
因為我感覺你一直在找很多理由喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:51.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-03-26T11:12:57.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
是，我理解委員的意思，委員希望我們能夠做得更精準，能夠更完善，這個部分我們會…… |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-03-26T11:12:58.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-03-26T11:13:01.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
沒有，你說你依法讓他們回報，結果回給你一個連結，難道你都不用查嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-03-26T11:13:02.716000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:13:05.518000+08:00 |
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難道你都不用去看它連結到底合不合理嗎？ |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-03-26T11:13:06.298000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:13:12.642000+08:00 |
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每個縣市回來的表格不同，還有這種違反食品安全的、違反食安法的，那是你要的資訊嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-03-26T11:13:12.642000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:13:12.782000+08:00 |
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當然不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-03-26T11:13:12.902000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-03-26T11:13:13.922000+08:00 |
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都不是，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-03-26T11:13:13.922000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-03-26T11:13:16.123000+08:00 |
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那你跟我扯這個對嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
祝司長健芳 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-03-26T11:13:16.123000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:13:28.497000+08:00 |
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其實一剛開始連結都是正確的，我相信是地方政府可能又有一些異動沒有讓我們知道，所以導致這個連結發生現在委員看到的這種樣態，我們會來改善。好。 |
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0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-03-26T11:13:29.038000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:13:58.438000+08:00 |
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部長，我要表達的事情是長照需求越來越高，今年的預算也高達一千一百多億，但現在發生的管理漏洞也會越來越多，因為在執行量上當然就是需求很大，所以你在人力資源管理上面，甚至連管理資訊的表格都出了問題，有人去造假就能夠領錢，變成名副其實的Excel Pay，他就可以隨便上網來中央跟你申請，然後到地方再另外拿錢，詐領了五千多萬。 |
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0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-03-26T11:13:59.926000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:14:12.298000+08:00 |
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我相信大多數在長照領域服務的人都是本於愛心、本於熱情，而且都是兢兢業業在做這些事情，但是你現在管理不當就是讓不肖業者有機會鑽漏洞。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-03-26T11:14:15.758000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:14:30.223000+08:00 |
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部長，請你們現在馬上去做這件事情，在年底之前把這個資訊的漏洞都把它補起來，然後也要讓跨縣市的垂直整合都要清楚、資訊透明，可不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-03-26T11:14:30.543000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:14:32.703000+08:00 |
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好，資訊揭露的部分我們來檢討改善。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-03-26T11:14:35.494000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:14:58.155000+08:00 |
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我要你給我具體的承諾，第一個，一個月內可以上線、可搜尋全國裁罰功能完善的資訊，然後要有個檢討的配套機制，也就是它上線的時候，是不是你在資訊平臺上就要有一個log、有更新的資料，要去核對它給的資料對不對，這個在資訊上很簡單，不是一件很難的事。 |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-03-26T11:14:58.716000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:15:09.164000+08:00 |
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第二個，三個月內要趕快建立跨縣市裁罰預警的通報機制，當跨縣市裁罰的時候，你應該讓地方政府彼此知道，不要A縣市罰了但B縣市不知道。 |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-03-26T11:15:10.405000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-03-26T11:15:19.989000+08:00 |
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第三個，在本會期前，你們也可以提出長照稽核人力的補足方案，因為剛剛很多是稽核的問題，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-03-26T11:15:19.989000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:15:25.392000+08:00 |
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有人可能通報了，但你們沒有辦法稽核，因為沒有足夠的人力可以稽核，所以導致有這樣的漏洞。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-03-26T11:15:26.853000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:15:43.073000+08:00 |
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針對這個部分，包含昨天我在兒少質詢你們CRC裁罰平臺資訊，其實是同一件事，這顯示衛福部在資訊治理的能力是有待加強，我們不要講得太難聽，你們資訊治理能力真的要加強，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-03-26T11:15:47.755000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:15:49.336000+08:00 |
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請石部長回座，最後我要請一下洪申翰部長。 |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-03-26T11:15:49.336000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-26T11:15:59.511000+08:00 |
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廖委員好。 |
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0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-03-26T11:15:59.511000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:15:59.751000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-03-26T11:16:01.393000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:16:41.685000+08:00 |
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最後我還是要請教一下部長，針對現在重啟核能成為熱門討論的議題，有不少學者投書指出，因為非核家園是民進黨一貫的方向，伴隨現在AI產業興起，能源重新檢討，導致世界爭搶核能的人才，也造成了臺灣核能相關專業人才出走或者轉行，現在要重新培育、迫切並亟需加速；甚至投書也提出，勞動部應該建立核能級特殊技術人才培訓專案。 |
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0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
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2026-03-26T11:16:42.907000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:17:02.661000+08:00 |
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關於這部分勞動部也有不可或缺的角色，包含第一個是技術標準的提升，譬如說現有的焊接、配管、非破壞檢測等國家技術士的檢定，可能需要針對所謂核能級的高規格需求，跟核安會合作開發更高等的培訓課程，這是第一個關於技術標準提升。 |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-03-26T11:17:03.161000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:17:18.906000+08:00 |
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第二個是人才缺口的補足，面對核能人才斷層，勞動部需要透過職訓體系加速培養機電還有儀控等基礎工程人力，才能支撐核電廠的興建或者是重啟工程。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-03-26T11:17:19.606000+08:00 |
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2026-03-26T11:17:35.094000+08:00 |
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第三個是移工與專業外籍人才的審核，勞動部負責核發外國專業人才的工作許可，若需要引進國外的核能工程團隊，勞動部需要配合經濟部簡化或優化相關的申請流程。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-03-26T11:17:35.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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2026-03-26T11:17:38.876000+08:00 |
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請問一下部長，你對這些方向有做規劃或研議的打算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-03-26T11:17:40.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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2026-03-26T11:18:01.523000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，關於這些相關專業技能的人才，我們當然願意跟目的事業主管機關詢問他們有沒有相關的需求，有沒有需要我們配合協助的地方，這也不只是在核能的部分，而是綜合的，對於這些專業技術人才，我們都會跟目的事業主管機關來討論，看他們有沒有這個需求。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:01.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-03-26T11:18:09.126000+08:00 |
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因為有些人才的訓練，有他一定的體系，跟他一定相關的要求…… |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:09.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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2026-03-26T11:18:20.057000+08:00 |
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部長，配合是被動的，現在我們看到賴清德總統願意起義來歸檢討能源政策，你們除了被動配合，勞動部有沒有主動規劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:20.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-03-26T11:18:20.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
有沒有相關的時間表？ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:20.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-03-26T11:18:30.245000+08:00 |
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因為培訓人才並不是現在說要就馬上有的，培訓人才是3到5年，你等到定案還來得及嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:30.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-03-26T11:18:31.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
廖委員，是不是可以請洪部長提供報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:30.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-03-26T11:18:30.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
委員會有一些專業的人才…… |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:30.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-03-26T11:18:31.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
剛才淑芬講很久喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:30.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-03-26T11:18:31.925000+08:00 |
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其實是要目的事業主管機關提出他們的需求，比方說勞動部絕對不會去培訓醫師…… |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:31.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-26T11:18:50.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
部長，我剛剛提的那三件事情都跟勞動部有關喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:50.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-03-26T11:18:58.587000+08:00 |
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所以委員，我要說的是醫師有他專業養成的體系，我們不會去培訓醫師…… |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:58.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-03-26T11:18:59.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
你有要主動跟他們溝通這個部分嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-03-26T11:18:59.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-03-26T11:19:08.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
我們當然可以跟目的事業主管機關討論他們有沒有人才需求，在人才上面他們要怎麼去克服，這部分可以討論…… |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-03-26T11:19:08.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-03-26T11:19:29.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
部長，我想這是國家發展、國家安全，還有能源安全相關的重要議題，社會大家都很關心，所以我才會問出這樣的問題，請你們回去跟相關部會研議，去問他們有沒有需要，趕快提出這些培訓需求，包含技術提升標準，還有包含人才缺口有沒有需要補足？ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-03-26T11:19:29.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-03-26T11:19:32.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
包含移工跟專業外籍人才有沒有需要審核？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-03-26T11:19:32.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-03-26T11:19:34.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
這三件事情要提醒部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-03-26T11:19:35.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-03-26T11:19:43.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
像這樣子特定的、專業的領域，的確就是要目的事業主管評估它的需求，包括人才養成的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-03-26T11:19:44.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-03-26T11:19:52.990000+08:00 |
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這個部分第一個我們會尊重目的事業主管機關，如果有他們有需要我們幫忙的地方，我們當然願意去做我們可以做的事…… |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-03-26T11:19:53.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-03-26T11:19:55.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
所以部長會願意配合他們培養核能人才？ |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-03-26T11:19:56.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-03-26T11:19:57.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
看他們提出相關的需求…… |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-03-26T11:19:57.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-03-26T11:19:58.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
他們提出你就會配合？ |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-03-26T11:19:59.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:03.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
我剛才舉例，可能很多地方現在也覺得需要醫生…… |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:03.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:07.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
沒有，我只是問說今天經濟部…… |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:07.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:08.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
可是勞動部不會來培養這些醫師。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:07.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:11.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
今天經濟部、核安會需要這些人才，他們主動跟你提，你會配合嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:11.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:12.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
當然我們可以一起討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:12.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:13.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
一起討論，你會配合嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:13.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:15.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
我們會一起討論，看需求跟彼此分工。 |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:16.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:19.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
所以意思就是你身為勞動部長，你會配合他們、彼此分工。 |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:20.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:22.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
跨部會之間本來就有很多業務需要一起討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:24.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:25.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
我是針對這個問題，就是核能專業人才的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:25.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:26.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
廖委員，可以請洪部長提供書面報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:25.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:25.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
跨部會本來就有很多議題，我們會開放性討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:25.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:25.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:25.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:26.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
主席有點差別待遇，剛剛淑芬委員講了半個多小時。 |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:26.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:42.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
我們是秉公處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
廖委員偉翔 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:42.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-03-26T11:20:52.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
洪部長，社會大眾其實也很想了解，當初的反核少年跟現在沒有立場、願意配合行政院的勞動部長，哪一位才是真正的洪申翰？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-03-26T11:20:53.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-03-26T11:21:03.855429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
針對我們剛剛講的照服員跟薪資福利給付的議題，我們也開過記者會，請衛福部儘快回復。 |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-03-26T11:21:04.155429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-03-26T11:21:05.298286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
休息5分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-03-26T11:21:05.598286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-03-26T11:21:06.741143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
休息（11時21分） |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-03-26T11:21:07.041143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-03-26T11:21:08.755429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
繼續開會（11時33分） |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-03-26T11:21:09.055429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-03-26T11:21:10.769714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
現在繼續開會。 |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-03-26T11:21:11.069714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-03-26T11:21:13.926857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
處理臨時提案1案，請宣讀。 |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-03-26T11:21:14.226857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-03-26T11:21:35.084000+08:00 |
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一、鑑於我國已邁入高齡化社會，長期照顧需求持續攀升，惟現行制度對於勞工因應長照安排之支持措施仍顯不足，特別是在照顧初期之制度銜接與經濟支持方面，尚有明顯缺口。 |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-03-26T11:21:35.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-03-26T11:21:49.669714+08:00 |
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為強化勞工於家庭照顧責任與就業之間之平衡，並降低因照顧而退出職場之風險，爰有推動「長照安排假」試辦計畫之必要。 |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-03-26T11:21:49.969714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-03-26T11:22:10.826857+08:00 |
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二、建請勞動部、衛福部研擬「長照安排假試辦計畫」，並應於指定期限內提出具體方案，內容應包含適用對象、申請條件、給假期間、薪資補貼機制及行政配套措施，以利後續制度化推動。 |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-03-26T11:22:11.126857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-03-26T11:22:41.126857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].text |
三、另為使政策設計更貼近實務需求並兼顧各方意見，於提案通過後，請主管機關於兩週內邀集民間團體、專家學者及相關利害關係人，召開試辦計畫研商會議，針對適用對象、薪資補貼比例、企業負擔分攤方式及財務來源等重要議題進行充分討論，凝聚共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-03-26T11:22:41.426857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-03-26T11:22:57.998286+08:00 |
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四、綜上，建請主管機關積極推動本案，並於規劃過程中納入多元利害關係人意見，以建立兼顧勞工權益、企業負擔及制度永續之長照支持機制。 |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-03-26T11:22:58.298286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-03-26T11:22:59.298286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].text |
林月琴 |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-03-26T11:22:59.598286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-03-26T11:23:01.312571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].text |
王正旭 劉建國 |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-03-26T11:23:01.612571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-03-26T11:23:05.612571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].text |
請問行政單位對於本案有無意見？ |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-03-26T11:23:05.912571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-03-26T11:23:39.341143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].text |
跟召委報告，關於這個提案第二段跟第三段的部分，我們有一些修改意見，我們是建議稍稍修改為「建請勞動部和衛福部研擬長照安排假試辦計畫評估可行性，並於三個月內提出評估方案，內容應包括適用對象、申請條件、給假期間、薪資補貼機制及行政配套措施等，以利後續制度化推動。 |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-03-26T11:23:39.641143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-03-26T11:23:41.926857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].text |
」這是第二段的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-03-26T11:23:42.226857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-03-26T11:24:09.941143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].text |
第三段的建議是「另為使政策設計更貼近實務需求並兼顧各方意見，於提案通過後，請主管機關評估過程應蒐集民間團體、專家學者及相關利害關係人，針對適用對象、薪資補貼比例、企業負擔方式及財務來源等重要議題意見」，這是第三段。 |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-03-26T11:24:10.241143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-03-26T11:24:15.098286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].text |
我們有點修正意見，可不可以請召委確認？ |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-03-26T11:24:15.398286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2026-03-26T11:24:19.112571+08:00 |
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因為這是我的提案，就修正通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-03-26T11:24:19.412571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-03-26T11:24:26.555429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
臨時提案全部處理完畢，接下來繼續詢答，請黃秀芳委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0 |