| IVOD_ID |
167960 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167960 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T11:00:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T11:20:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:20:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/62ea4221ea272c4efb78180887cad4aec30e9bbc489b48f6144d5468a2b72bfd1932705a9722646d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖偉翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:00:19 - 11:20:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部長及勞動部部長就「在職照顧者支持體系是否完善、長照3.0服務輸送與長照安排假評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席剛剛這個淑芬委員其實她在探討這個議題我覺得的確是一個值得你可以在另外排個時間好好的演繹我想這個今天難得有兩個這麼大的部會的部長都來我相信很多人想問的事情很多所以這個建議主席你可以之後再排一天那我想要先請衛福部時部長來有請時部長 |
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部長好今天講這個長照其實是蠻重要因為我國已經進入高齡化社會所以我這個長照體系常常面臨人力增長幅度追不上需求的狀況這跟昨天這跟昨天很多相關的這個醫事人員或是這個需求都有相關性那我想問一下這個幾副標準有關於長照這個實務上面臨幾副標準是有多久沒有調整了 |
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這個應該是每年都是在做一些新增沒有 相關的工會跟我說從上路過來到現在其實已經有九年沒有完全的沒有全方面的去調整過應該是說應該是這樣講就是跟這個健保是一樣啦就是有提案的時候那我們就調整那不然的話它是隨著那個那個 |
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部長我跟你說其實有很多這個居服人員居服聯盟策略聯盟相關的工會其實都有反應長年沒有調整了那這幾年物價漲了多少 |
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也漲了很多喔那這個部分是不是可以盡速去全面的檢討和調整服務給付的價格而且他們希望因為沒有定期的去檢討這個機制常常導致他們反映了你們也沒有想要調整或是認真的去研究要怎麼調整 |
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所以這個部分我要把這個意見民間意見帶給你因為這個需求變得越來越多但是人員的待遇也是一樣並沒有獲得提升對這個可以理解因為這個 |
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我們在這個健保方面它是有一個總額的成長率那成長率裡面會去考慮到CPI去調整它每年的幅度那但是這個長照的給付呢它是用這個10支10付1.1塊錢的方式在操作 |
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那所以如果這個CPI我們可以考慮說如果你這個CPI的變動達到多少或者是定期多久來做一個檢討對 我覺得定期這件事情是要做的好不好我們來考慮部長可不可以答應本席趕快去研議跟相關的工會我請那個創造師來討論這個就是我本席的具體要求很明顯啦在這個簡報上第一個就是我要爭取這個看是不是依物價指數你每兩年檢討一次和調整然後 |
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這個第二個是希望也趕快去建立所謂的造福員的分級跟進修的這個機制啊好這個部分我也希望可以鼓勵新人也可以讓資深造福員願意久任喔所以部長這兩個意見我要代表這個造福或是長照相關的作業人員來跟你爭取好不好您可不可以回去研議 |
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好 這個我們研議一下你可不可以給我一個月之內給我明確的答覆你們的時間表是什麼好 我們來研議一下看看這個如何來融入到隨著這個物價的檢討機制部長那你可不可以給我一個時間表好不好 你可不可以給我一個時間表好不好就是說你這個研議的時間表是什麼這兩個具體的需求 |
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好 那就一個月一個月內給本席因為我還會再找這些相關的工會來討論好不好好 |
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那再來因為這個長照我也是進入細節來問喔部長在過去幾年其實全台的居扶機構的違規裁處啦查核不足啊甚至有很多系統資訊串聯不足的問題喔甚至有導致一些弊案的產生譬如說長照基金可能被詐領等等的我想要問一下這個你們的監察院之前有要求你們做建全國裁罰統一平台你們建了嗎 |
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這個平台已經有了在這個今年會去完成系統的開發啦大概在年底之前就可以你們現在已經有了嘛對不對監察院去年的九月有說過你們要去做這個平台所以你說已經有了是不是我請那個市長說明一下 |
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跟委員報告因為監察院去年有下這樣的一個意見那我們去年的那個新增的經費排不進去所以我們是在今年今年的新的案件裡面有把它放進去那整個按照期程的規劃在今年年底之前可以完成年底你確定嗎你要真的要到年底喔你先看一下其實你們現在就有所謂的裁罰平台了現在這個裁罰平台是連結地方政府而且是依法 |
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依法要公開的好依法要公開是不是好我再進來給你看這是你們有的所以我們進來看一下幾個亂象你看看你光台北市政府你就設定了兩個連結然後台東的點進去就只是他們的新聞資訊頁根本也不是財閥網頁然後我們再看一下高雄的高雄市政府的點進去只有五筆資料然後這五筆資料有三筆它是違反食安法的違反食品廣告 |
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違規的 還有時評宣傳廣告不實的那至今跟長照有關的裁罰公告案件也只有兩件喔所以請問一下你們在做什麼東西這個資訊平台請問食安也是你們的這個平台的公佈範圍嗎 |
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那個可能連結有跑掉那跟委員報告當時我們希望就是因為案件會不斷的出來所以我們期待的是我們連結到地方的裁罰的一個專區那直接都是那你沒有去督導你好像是沒有督導我我隨便點了好幾個都是亂七八糟的根本就沒有根本就沒有所謂 |
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真的需要的資訊在裡面是 也跟委員報告因為昨天我們其實是試著上我們的專區那我們這邊非常完整的其實都是長照的那總共有67案沒有 我剛剛才進了你們的我們剛才進了你的網站點進去就是現在這個樣子好 那我們會回去馬上這個已經是能力的問題了這個資訊的整理有很大的問題好 我們改善 |
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對部長你知道這個問題嗎我想這個大概是過度性質的因為真正的會在年底之前完成那個那個才是真正完整的部長這是理由部長這是理由我跟你講這個東西你們要負督導責任你不是丟給地方政府他隨便舔然後你好像都不關你的事大家是依賴你中央政府的網頁看資訊的 |
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所以我要跟你分享有兩個縣市一個是台中市一個是嘉義縣的社會局其實他們在公告的表格格式上面至少也做得很好一個是台中一個是嘉義縣他們違反了什麼法令違規者是誰他一看就知道那你們是不是應該要給各個縣市政府一個統一的表格統一的格式呢 |
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這個跟委員說明我們未來在開發這個系統的時候就會讓它比較有標準式的現在這個只是急救章先讓它有連結的方式而已急救章過渡企業應該也有所作為那我問你你建構系統要多少錢 |
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這個是配搭我們的系統因為這個整個是我們的照管系統所以這個只是裡面的一項資料好部長我跟你講坦白講現在各縣市裁罰跟公告的案件數真的也沒有到那麼多我們有去查很多縣市甚至是一件都沒有那也根據你們回傳給我的資料過去五年加總起來是78件 |
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要公開的可能還更少所以到底有沒有認真在追蹤我先不問的情況之下在這麼少的資料的情況之下你這個過渡其實應該一張表格就可以搞定了還需要去外包什麼資訊工程嗎那當然你說你要整合其他的功能OK但是你這個過渡的部分你應該這樣處理就可以了不是嗎 |
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跟委員說明一下大概這中間有一些資訊上的落差這78件只是在申報這個長照的幾戶上的虛符報案件而已那當然還有一些長照機構的一些違法的樣態那個都是在地方去裁罰所以長照師會再去彙整其他的這個違法樣態把它彙整起來這78件只是指的是在虛符報的案件而已 |
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是啊,但是你整個加起來會有多少?你這個同意表格應該就是做得出來了。這個可能要大家了解一下才知道。不過未來是希望他查的時候是比較能夠一次性的,現在都是用連結的方式。對,所以你很亂,然後再來就是每個,你們沒有去督導。那所以我要再詢問一下,在這些裁罰裡面,其實連一件主動公告詐領案件的資訊都沒有。 |
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這個是很嚴重了吧 這個應該要公告了吧就根據你們提供給我的資料喔屏東縣裁罰的案件近四年有十七二二七件就是十七件 兩件 兩件 七件喔那你知道你們的裁罰網頁裡面屏東的部分怎麼寫的嗎你們知道嗎 你有去看嗎 你沒讀到對不對屏東寫的是零件喔 屏東的地方政府給你的是零件 |
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那甚至在台南的這個乍領5400萬的廠商呢民眾也不知道到底是哪一間所以我想要說的事情是這個公告標準在民眾的認知裡就是有問題的那你們內部有資訊流通的機制嗎或者是如果你在台南這個乍領了5400萬的這個外部廠商如果還或者是高雄的這個長照機構AB表 |
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領的這些社會的詐領案在你們的平台上是完全沒有公告的而且站在民眾的立場今天不管詐領登錄不實或各種這些重大爭議其實只要未達公告門檻那其實你們而且你們資訊也沒有真的落實登錄上去其實民眾要怎麼辨別這個風險他怎麼有安心的說讓自己家中的長輩去接受這個服務的單位有沒有違規的紀錄而且甚至你現在的這個狀況就跟昨天我們討論的有點像 |
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一家機構 特約單位 他如果這個長照人員在A縣市被查到有虛報 有這些問題 相關問題的時候B縣市是不能夠馬上查到的所以你就可能導致後面的事情發生喔所以我剛剛說的事情是 你現在說年底要建好這個系統 其實 |
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你們這個是推託因為你在這個過程中你這一年發生了任何事情你們可以負責嗎所以這一年你其實剛剛我像我說的你就是告訴地方政府你的表格要有哪些內容回報回來的時候你要有人去審查 |
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是不是可以做到至少你短期可以做到這件事情是跟委員說明齁那先跟委員釐清幾個觀念我們長福法裡面母法有授權裁罰的樣態才可以在我們現在要求他公開讓民眾可以查這我知道這個是前提這個是但是我剛剛已經講到很多那對對 |
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那您舉的這個屏東的那個樣態他並不在我們的財閥的這個長福法授權可以去公開這樣的一個單位所以剛剛委員關心到說有一些這個業者我只是舉幾個例子給你聽但是我剛剛已經把你按進去這些連結看過了所以你現在是要用這個理由來說所以你們的平台做的 |
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我們沒有說我們只是說現階段因為裁罰是地方的權責所以我們其實是希望裁罰是地方的權責但是資訊透明是你的責任你的得到責任也是需要及時的如果地方政府都要透過送到中央中央再來公佈的話 |
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事實上會有時效的問題你還是沒有回答我的問題我剛剛說你給他們統一的表單格式然後他們報回來你要去督導這樣子你聽得懂我的意思嗎因為我感覺你一直在找很多理由喔我理解委員的意思委員希望我們能夠做得更精準能夠更完善你說讓他們回報問題是你說你依法讓他們回報結果他回來給你一個連結難道你都不用查嗎 |
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難道你都不用去看他連結到底合不合理嗎那每個縣市回來的表的不同然後資訊還有這種違反食品安全的違反食安法那是你要的資訊嗎當然不是都不是對不對那你跟我扯這個對嗎其實一剛開始連結都是正確的那我相信是地方政府可能又有一些異動然後沒有讓我們知道所以早自這個連結發生現在委員看到的這種樣態那我們會來改善 |
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好 部長所以我要表達的事情是其實長照的需求越來越高那今年的預算也高達了一千一百多億但是現在發生的就是管理漏洞也會越來越多 |
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因為根本預算你根本在執行量當然就是需求很大所以你在這個人力資源管理上面甚至是你連這個管理這樣子資訊的表格都出了問題有人去造假就能夠領錢變成名副其實的Excel Pay他就可以隨便上網中央跟你申請然後到地方再另外拿錢炸領了五千多萬 |
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這個我相信大多數在這個長照領域服務的人都是本於愛心本於熱情而且都是兢兢業業在做這些事情但是你現在管理不當就是讓不孝業者有機會去鑽漏洞 |
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請部長在年底出來前你現在馬上請你們去做這件事情把這個資訊的漏洞都把它補起來然後也要讓跨縣市的整合垂直整合都要可以清除資訊透明可不可以這個資訊的揭露的部分我們來這個檢討改善 |
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所以我第一個要你給我就是具體的承諾一個是一個月內可以上線可搜尋的全國採訪查詢功能的完善的這個資訊然後要有一個檢討的配套機制也就是說它上線的時候是不是你在資訊平台上就要有一個log說有更新的資料所以你就要去核對 |
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他給的資料對不對這個在資訊上很簡單它不是一件很難的事第二個是你三個月內要趕快建立這個跨縣市的裁罰預警的通報機制跨縣市裁罰的時候你應該讓地方政府彼此知道不要A縣市罰了B縣市不知道 |
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第三個是你們在這個本會期前也可以提出你這個所謂長照集合人力的補足方案因為剛剛所謂的很多問題是集合的問題對不對有人可能通報了你們沒有辦法集合沒有足夠人力集合所以導致有這樣的漏洞所以這個部分希望 |
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包含昨天我講的兒少的質詢你們CRC的採訪平台這些資訊其實是同一件事這顯示衛福部在資訊管理治理上面的能力是有待加強我們不要講得太難聽你們資訊治理能力真的要加強好不好好最後我還是要邀請一下我們的這個請石部長回座我要請一下洪森漢部長 |
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六人好部長好部長這個最後還是要請教一下部長其實針對現在重啟核能成為討論的議題話題 |
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好議題熱點那有不少的學者投出投書投書指出因為非核家園是民進黨一貫的方向那核能的人才伴隨現在AI產業興起然後能源重新這個檢討那世界爭搶也造成了台灣核能的相關專業人才出走或者轉行現在要重新培育迫切急需加速喔甚至投書也提出勞動部應該建立 |
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這個核能級的特殊技術人才培訓專案所以這部分呢勞動部也有不可或缺的角色包含第一個是技術標準的提升譬如說現有的焊接啦配管啦非破壞檢測等國家技術式的檢定那可能需要針對所謂核能級的高規格需求 |
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998.9 |
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跟核安會合作開發更高等的培訓課程這是第一個技術標準提升第二個是人才缺口的補足所以面對核能人才這個斷層勞動部需要透過執訓體系加速培養機電還有移控等基礎工程人力來才能支撐核電廠的興建或者是重啟工程 |
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第三個是移工與專業外籍人才的審核勞動部負責核發外國專業人才的工作許可若需要引進國外的核能工程團隊勞動部需要配合經濟部簡化或優化相關的申請流程請問一下部長你對這個方向有做規劃或研議的打算嗎 |
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根本說明關於這些相關的這個專業技能的人才當然我們都我們當然願意來跟目的世界主管機關當然看他們有沒有相關的類似需求有沒有我們要配合協助的地方那這也不是只是在核能的部分而是綜合的這些專技的人才我們都會跟目的世界主管機關來做討論看他們有沒有這個需求因為有些人才的訓練他有他一定的體系跟他一定的這個相關的要求 |
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副部長配合是被動的現在我們看到賴清德總統願意起義來歸檢討能源政策那你們除了被動配合你們勞動部有沒有主動規劃有沒有相關的時間表因為培訓人才並不是現在說要就馬上有的 |
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這個培訓人才是3到5年你等到定案還來得及嗎會有一些專業的人才其實是會要來自目的事業主管機關提出他們的需求比方說勞動部絕對不會去培訓醫師 |
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討論部不會去...醫師有他...所以委員我說的是說醫師有他這個養成的體系專業養成的體系討論部不會去培訓醫師這個部分嗎?那我當然可以來跟目的世界主管一般討論他們有沒有在人才需求這個人才上面他們要怎麼來去做克服這部分可以討論部長我想這個是國家發展國家安全還有能源安全的相關重要的議題這個社會大家都很關心喔 |
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所以我才會問出這樣的問題請你們回去跟相關部會去演繹去問他們有沒有需要你趕快提出這些培訓的包含技術提升標準還有包含人才缺口有沒有需要補足包含著移工跟專業外籍人才有沒有需要審核這三件事情要提醒部長 |
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像這樣子的專業的特定的專業的領域的確就是要是目的社會主管評估他的需求包括他人才養成的方式那這個部分我們第一個會尊重目的社會主管機關那如果有他們有需要我們幫忙的地方我們當然願意來去做我們可以做的所以部長會願意配合他們就是培養就是看他們提出這個相關的需求然後他們提出你就會配合就是我剛才舉例 |
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醫生可能很多地方現在也覺得沒有我只是問說那如果今天勞動部會來培訓醫生今天經濟部和河安會需要這些人才他主動跟你提你配合嗎當然我們可以一起討論一起討論那你會配合嗎我們會一起討論看需求跟彼此的分工所以意思就是說你身為勞動部長你會配合他們然後彼此分工跨部會之間本來就有很多業務需要一起討論 |
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OK 所以我是針對這個問題就是核能專業人才的部分跨部會有很多議題我們會開放性的討論謝謝部長 這個主席剛剛有一點差別待遇剛剛蘇芬委員講了半個多小時 |
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那我想要跟你說一下說部長 紅部長社會大眾其實也很想了解啊當初的反核少年跟現在沒有立場願意配合行政部的行政院的勞動部長哪一位才是真正的紅身漢謝謝 |