| IVOD_ID |
167947 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167947 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T09:52:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T10:04:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/62ea4221ea272c4eee895aec4c451ca91db4e8dc12ee02550f073324919e7b6ed538382fbf97c6c75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:52:46 - 10:04:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝召委請工評會的代理主席我們的陳主委陳主委謝謝 |
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委員長主委我剛剛延續我們陳委員剛剛問的現在塑膠袋一個多少錢你如果有去調查你怎麼不知道多少錢如果你沒有到市場買東西你說你不知道多少錢那你有責任耶這個調查的責任在公平會你現在把這個責任推給檢舉者去舉證 |
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那就我們公平會存在的意義沒有了嘛那公平會就廢掉就好啦可以依職權調查啦現在我們到超市去買東西本來說你要提供袋子的話一個是一塊錢現在變成一個人兩塊錢了這是不是漲價你們要去調查公平會主動出擊啊不要等到大家把政經拿到你面前的時候你才說喔 是 |
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那就公平化不用存在了嘛沒有 剛剛這個議題出現我們就有去了解了解 了解要知道事實所以所有交代一個多少錢你不知道我現在告訴你了好 我要先問我的議題啦齁 主委去年九月的時候發生了高雄市美濃 |
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大峽谷這個有不肖的業者去非法的去採石殺石獲取暴利然後讓我們整個青島的廢土造成了整個地形跟我們的生態環境的一個破壞所以整個峽谷就形成一個很大的一個坑洞在這邊所以國土署特別為了防止這個違法的棄土 |
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事件在重演所以在今年的1月1號開始就實施了營建剩餘土石方全流向的管理政策要求砂石車必須安裝GPS的系統並使用這個電子連單來取代這個紙本的這個單據希望能夠掌握到砂石車的行車的這個動向來提升管理的這個功能所以國土署在公布但是 |
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太過於倉促所以造成整個業界來不及安裝GPS而且全台的土石方堆置處理廠也沒有安排好所以能量處理不足的情況之下供需失衡所以導致了大量的土方在短時間內沒有辦法去消化讓土方的清運成本暴增 |
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暴增所以根據我們營造業跟建設業他們的估計現在的每立方公尺的土方的這個清理的費用有分北中南北部原來是1800的現在漲到4500中部是800塊的漲到3000元南部的話是280元漲到2000元這幅度大概三到六倍所以請問 主委 |
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你認為這一波的土方之亂這土方的資源堆置處理業者有沒有趁這個情形而去聯合哄抬價格的這個嫌疑這個就是我們在跟國土署在開會協商的過程當中本會負責就是有沒有聯合哄抬價格那我們在事情一出現以後我們就積極的到市場去了解這個價格的狀況初步的了解是目前的價格並沒有出現一致 |
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所以剛剛本席把這資料呈現在你前面你說也沒有這漲了三五倍是很正常的委員講的是價格提高幾倍但是我們看的是同業之間的價格有沒有漲得一樣聯合啊所以同業價格是一樣啊假設一個三千塊一個兩千五北中南為什麼價格北中南不一樣主委你有去調查你請教你為什麼不一樣北中南請教你跟這個營運的成本都有關係啊 |
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為什麼有營業成本不一樣大家都裝了GPS啊 還有什麼不一樣為什麼價格不一樣 你有去調查你應該知道一樣是土石啊 一樣是安置處理廠堆置啊哪裡不一樣 |
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為什麼價格不一樣同樣的土石它有不同的價值為什麼它有不同的回收價值為什麼所以價格可能不一樣一樣是泥土啊廢土啊有些土石回來以後可以重新再利用對啊啊有些土石是填海而已主委所以你不了解吧 |
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你有去調查 我要你了解的為什麼就是距離也是問題啊有的站得比較遠為什麼北部會比較貴因為北部的話都市區域嘛 沒有堆置這個處理廠所以會站得比較遙遠的那個安置這個堆置這個廢土的地方所以距離遠 價格就高嘛南部的話 因為空曠的地方比較多堆置的場所 只要合法的地方會比較容易取得所以這距離的問題 價格就不一樣所以 主委 |
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我們不要每次都要等到人家檢舉你們才來調查調查的話你就自圓其說自己一套好像不死人間煙火跟民眾的思想思維軌道都不一樣我們民眾大家都認為是哄抬我們委員接到了很多的陳情報章雜誌登出來了你還說沒有為什麼你們的思維都不一樣呢今天不管是經濟部也好包括著我們的國土署都新聞叫你調查了 |
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我們跟國安署有開會過我在這地方還是要釐清一件事情我公平會從來沒說價格沒有哄抬我公平會強調的是說你的哄抬是不是聯合的哄抬所以我們的執法重點在於聯合行為的調查你聯合要怎麼樣我們不能去介入價格的合理性價格的合理性我們這個在分工商我們是針對聯合哄抬這部分 |
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所以我們並沒有說你們公平會總是有一套自圓其說跟我們廣大的民眾的想法都不一樣所以我要請你們去調查不要等到人家檢舉很多事情市場上的出來了包裝雜誌也登出來了鬧轟轟的時候你們可以主動出局嗎你們責任在哪裡我們已經在進行了解跟調查當中了 |
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所以我們有跟郭杜池在配合調查這麼久現在結果呢我剛剛跟委員講過初步我們發現了解結果並沒有價格一致的情況所以我告訴你北中南不一樣的情形就是沒有辦法一致會有其他的因素嗎有沒有聯合一致 |
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運輸成本也會考慮本席今天會這麼氣憤的是因為你們都不處理我們地方的營造商已經因為這車輛價格再運的土方的價格飆漲的情況之下他沒辦法經營下去他跟政府標到一個標案他願意自動解約被罰幾百萬他也沒辦法再運這個土方 |
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這個情形都已經發生了 你要到多嚴重的情況之下 你才說沒有聯合的情況專科GPS為什麼價格飆漲到三至五倍呢這個請你們嚴格去查一下 再來我再問一下 |
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就是不實的廣告也是我們公平會的業務之一對不對不實的廣告就是頭尾都不一樣不實的廣告就是有欺騙嘛引導消費者不了解而去購買到不一樣的或去消費到不一樣的東西對不對 |
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是不是你們的業務是啦不實廣告所以本席在這邊要請教一下那因為我們公平會對於商品的標示跟價格的訊息跟各種的這個宣傳內容都有浮誇不實的情況之下違法情形之下我們公平會都會來處理是屬於我們的業務範圍那本席在這邊想請教如果一部影片 |
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前導片與正片嚴重的出入不一樣的話 算不算不實廣告我想這個案子喔 因為最近才剛出來是不是允許我 我們事後會議會去調查我先問你 我的問題你先回答前導片跟正片如果完全不一樣 連演員都不一樣 |
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針對這個問題我兩點做一下說明第一點就是說前導片跟電影本身算不算是個別前導片算不算廣告後面的電影本身是內容還是說前導片本身實質上是整個影片的一部分這個我們後續會去了解一下到底是什麼情況那即使前導片是具有廣告的性質 |
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那剛剛委員有講到廣告是會誤導消費者去做出消費的決定好那接下來問題就是說那前導片是怎麼樣去誤導消費者去相信他要去看這部影片這個問題的調查就會涉及到很多觀眾的主觀上的評價也許在前導片我想要看到這個他要看到那個每個人是不一樣的這個我們都需要進一步去了解 |
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你都沒有注意聽我發問的問題我是告訴你前導片跟正片所有的劇情 角色 內容 演員都不一樣這有沒有算不實不一樣啊就是剛剛我跟文人講的嘛是不是前導片這個不是觀眾的主觀意思欸你的劇情 你的演員前導片跟正片都不一樣還要怎麼樣是要主導意思的 |
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據我們初步的了解 前導片有時候是一個創造氛圍所以是不是一定前導片裡面所談的 一定會在後續的影片中出現這個就是我們要去進一步的 |
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這個我們要去了解 因為前導片是不是一定百分之百完全全部落入到後面的影片當中這個可能要請問相關業者的了解才知道主委你好像真的是跟我們民眾的思維不太一樣喔前導片就屬於是個預告片 |
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預告我現在的證片的內容最精華的再要出來給民眾看民眾覺得有吸引他他就會來這個消費會到戲院去看證片這個是這樣子的叫預告片怎麼可以這個預告片前導片跟證片不一樣你還無法判斷我真的不曉得主委你的思維是怎樣我想這一點我們會後我們會去進一步了解到底這兩者之間的關係是什麼好那我們現在 |
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你現在講到這邊 我就告訴你 給你調查比較正確的方向就是有一部影片 叫臨日攻擊我們不講它的內容有沒有偏頗或者意識形態我們以戲劇的角色跟情節有沒有缺乏邏輯性跟合理性在網路上 已經很多很多的民眾都說批評它這個都不死 演員都不一樣我強調再強調 演員不一樣 |
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劇情內容的角色也不一樣所以我們希望我們諸位在這個片子裡面你一定要給廣大的消費者給個一正視聽啦如果是這樣子的片子喔未來很多影片都會出來前導片就叫做預告片希望諸位你們都要主動出擊我們真的很用心良苦一再一再這麼講每次大家為什麼執行公平會的時候沒有人要來執行 |
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686.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
699.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
真的 就像陳薇講的 雞同鴨講我們跟你講的那個對焦 那個軌道好像都不一樣啊我們民間生活不死人間煙火民眾的反應跟你的反應會不一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
700.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
722.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
請公平會把你們責任擔當拿出來好不好不要從外民眾來舉證你才去查證不管是我們的行政部門查證之後的話你才做事證實事了你才是事你們責任擔當都沒有請公平會自己要加油一點我們會回歸去了解教長好 謝謝劉燕委員 |