| IVOD_ID |
167934 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167934 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T13:32:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T13:40:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baaebdcb8a51e781e7922ba03baa58d693137d3a61a6651d0c53e901f84a635eded85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:32:52 - 13:40:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席我們請部長 工部長 台電我們的曾董事長我們請部長跟董事長 |
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來 部長好 董事長好 幾個小常識第一個 跳電不是缺電嘛 對不對跳電可以修完啊 修完電就來啦所以跳電不是缺電嘛這為什麼還會有人一直把這個跳電跟缺電把它搞在一起然後在一直在這個公共場合一直講這兩件事情不一樣跳電之後電來了 不會有缺電啦為什麼要把跳電跟缺電一起講現在還有這一種故意要在這邊亂講的 第二個 |
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就算現在這個台電開始這個核二廠核三廠的這個自主安全檢查那也是你說這個自主安全檢查至少要一年半到兩年的時間嗎我請教一下這是指核二還是核三核三廠嗎那核二廠是花更久的時間 |
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因為核二廠他的燃料棒還在這個爐心裡面可能要移出來以後才有辦法我等一下就講這一點所以呢就算現在要核電廠的因為核管法通過了那你們去做個自主安全檢查看他能不能未來來做運轉你們現在是評估說核二核三還有機會但是也確定 |
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未來是不是能夠真的運轉 因為最後還是有河岸未來做把關嘛 對不對那所以呢 不是說現在缺電 我現在趕快要河二河三重啟這也是兩件事情啊第一個 我相信你2032年之前台灣不會缺電第二個 就算有缺電 你現在重啟河二河三根本跟缺電的事情是兩件事情啊 |
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對不對所以啊所以外界很多人把這兩件事情混在一起尤其現在第二件事情就是說台灣要缺電了那所以現在要重啟這個核電沒有啊就是重啟核電N年之後的事情嘛當然是2加N年之後的事情嘛對不對 |
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是不是是好那請教一下部長我剛提到說核二因為核二在新北嘛那核二為什麼現在你剛有提到說為什麼他的自主的這個安全的這個檢查現在沒辦法做因為 |
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當初啊他那個燃料池放進去那個用過的燃料棒已經滿了啊因為原來要蓋那個蓋那個乾式儲存的新北新北當時新北一直打一直打那現在這個乾式儲存廠已經開也是動工了對不對這個預計何時會完成我們現在硬體的部分已經初步完成最重要是 |
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我們是連乾式儲存都要得到核安會的執照所以我們現在在做冷測試接下來做熱測試全部都測試完成核安會給我們執照我們就開始快速的把燃料棒退出好 所以硬體是完成了是硬體已經做好了乾式的室外乾式儲存的硬體做了好 那我們現在才在開始進行冷測試好 那你這些測試 |
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那要經過多久時間才能確定說這個是安全的幹事署是安全的我跟委員報告因為當然這個跟基礎運轉的危害程度不太一樣這相對低一些但是我們還是要和安會審查通過那你有預估大概多久的時間嗎 |
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我們只要是核安會的審查時程到現在他不會清楚告訴台電說他要審多久但我應該要這樣講就是台電在我們這些設備要符合規格然後符合安全以及他在冷測室熱測室上面我們的所有的操作要順利這一個事情是台電的責任這個我們會來做好我知道那所以 |
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還會通過之後染料棒才能拿出來是那所以也不知道要多久時間嘛要最少我覺得要今年要完成可能沒有辦法做到對啊那核二也是至少要等到染料棒先拿出來之後才能去做這個自主安全的檢查嘛對不對好那另外一個問題又出來了那請問一下核廢料就放在那裡嗎核廢料就放在該市儲存場那裡嗎 |
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這又是另外一個問題嘛目前是這樣中期因為乾式儲存是相對安全的儲存方式但是我們最終處置的那個部分也開始啟動那個是一定一併再走這個只能算是中間的中中期先放在萬里那邊 |
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對不對 不是最終放在那邊最終放在那邊一定反對的啊 我們一定反對的啊條件完全不一樣因為你們高中階的核廢料要怎麼去做處理現在有辦法了嗎國際上有辦法 但台灣要選址選址是最大的問題嘛 要放哪裡有人說可以放他家那開玩笑 怎麼可能去放他家 |
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核廢料要放哪裡是一個最重要的一個問題那選址是選址那對啊所以我就說要重啟核電啊社會共識是一個問題第一個核安第二個核廢料困難重重啊困難重重啊當然我們現在是因應核管法的這個修法先做這個自主安全檢查啊但是未來真的你說要到重啟核二核三 |
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我認為是一條漫漫長路所以這個跟目前Not ending 我再繼續講快結束了 再給我一分鐘所以呢 最後沒有啦 剛剛洪孟愷講了一分鐘啊我只跟他平等待遇而已那所以 不是說因為現在缺電 |
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所以我們才重啟核二核三嘛對不對那不是對兩件事情嘛好那最後問一下那個目前中油吸收了這個我們這個油價嘛對不對那不過這個禮拜還是動不動了嘛還是有小漲那下禮拜看的情況咧下禮拜還是按照公數現在我們還在動態調整動不動了 |
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跟委員報告我想我們就跟著油價的機制去走雅林最低價之後專案的平穩措施那目前這一週的整個油價的資訊還不完整所以現在也沒辦法跟委員做比較精確的報告那所以呢基本上當然可以動也要稍微動一下 |
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原則上我們都會雅林最低價之後我們會吸收百分之六十以上像上個禮拜就是好因為這個問題前面我也問過你們再並回復委員好不好好謝謝主席謝謝 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:07.084000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:07.966000+08:00 |
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請部長及董事長。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:07.966000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:13.039000+08:00 |
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李委員好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:13.039000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:13.780000+08:00 |
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部長好、董事長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:14.680000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:19.223000+08:00 |
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幾個小常識，第一個，跳電不是缺電，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:19.223000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:21.244000+08:00 |
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跳電可以修理，修完電就來了啊！ |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:22.185000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:23.245000+08:00 |
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所以跳電不是缺電嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:24.186000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:30.349000+08:00 |
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為什麼還會有人一直把跳電跟缺電搞在一起，然後在公共場合一直講？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:30.349000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:30.949000+08:00 |
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這兩件事情不一樣，跳電之後電來了，並沒有缺電啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-25T13:33:31.129000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:31.790000+08:00 |
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為什麼要把跳電跟缺電一起講？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-25T13:33:31.790000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-25T13:33:32.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
現在還有這一種故意在這邊亂講的。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:33:32.250000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-25T13:34:00.688000+08:00 |
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第二個，就算現在台電開始進行核二廠、核三廠的自主安全檢查，你說自主安全檢查至少要一年半到兩年的時間，我請教一下，這是指核二還是指核三？核三。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:00.688000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:01.688000+08:00 |
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這是指核三廠嘛！對。 |
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0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:00.768000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:01.509000+08:00 |
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那核二廠是不是要花更久的時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-25T13:34:07.296000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:12.077000+08:00 |
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因為核二廠的燃料棒還在爐心裡面，可能要移出來以後才有辦法…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:12.197000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:14.058000+08:00 |
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對，我等一下就是要講這一點。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-25T13:34:14.058000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:32.666000+08:00 |
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所以就算現在要核電廠的……因為核管法通過了，你們去做自主安全檢查，看它未來能不能運轉，你們現在是評估核二、核三還有機會，但是也不確定未來是不是真的能夠運轉，因為最後還是有核安會在把關，對不對？對。 |
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0.874 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-25T13:34:32.826000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:38.312000+08:00 |
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所以並不是說現在缺電，因此現在就趕快要讓核二、核三重啟，這也是兩件事情啊！ |
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0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-25T13:34:39.053000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-25T13:34:42.637000+08:00 |
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第一個，我相信到2032年之前，臺灣不會缺電。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-25T13:34:42.637000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:50.466000+08:00 |
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第二個，就算有缺電，你現在重啟核二、核三，根本跟缺電是兩件事情，對不對？對。 |
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0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-25T13:34:51.447000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:34:59.510000+08:00 |
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外界很多人把這兩件事情混在一起，尤其是第二件事情，就說臺灣要缺電了，所以現在要重啟核電，沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-25T13:35:00.230000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:35:07.536000+08:00 |
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就算重啟核電也是N年之後的事情，大概是2加N年之後的事情，是不是？是。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-25T13:35:09.178000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:35:20.431000+08:00 |
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請教一下部長，我剛剛提到核二，核二在新北，你剛剛是不是有提到為什麼它的自主安全檢查現在沒辦法做？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-25T13:35:20.571000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:35:35.153000+08:00 |
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因為當初它的燃料池放進那些用過的燃料棒已經滿了，原來要蓋乾式貯存槽，當時新北沒有給我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.756 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-25T13:35:35.893000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:35:36.773000+08:00 |
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一直擋、一直擋…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-25T13:35:36.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-25T13:35:38.614000+08:00 |
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對，一直擋…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-25T13:35:38.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-25T13:35:43.256000+08:00 |
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現在乾式貯存槽已經動工了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-25T13:35:43.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-25T13:35:44.256000+08:00 |
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對，已經動工了。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-25T13:35:43.256000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-25T13:35:43.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
預計何時會完成？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-25T13:35:47.659000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-25T13:36:04.136000+08:00 |
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現在硬體的部分已經初步完成，最重要的是連乾式貯存都要得到核安會的執照，所以我們現在在做冷測試，接下來做熱測試，等到全部都測試完成，核安會給我們執照，我們就會開始快速的把燃料棒退出。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-25T13:36:04.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-25T13:36:05.937000+08:00 |
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好，所以硬體是完成了？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-25T13:36:07.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-25T13:36:14.921000+08:00 |
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是，硬體已經做好了，室外乾式貯存的硬體做了，我們現在才在開始進行冷測試。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-25T13:36:15.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-25T13:36:23.445000+08:00 |
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這些測試要經過多久時間才能確定乾式貯存槽是安全的？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-25T13:36:24.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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2026-03-25T13:36:35.695000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，當然這個跟基礎運轉的危害程度不太一樣，這相對是第一線，但還是要經過核安會審查通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-25T13:36:35.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-25T13:36:36.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
當然啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-25T13:36:35.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-25T13:36:37.436000+08:00 |
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那你有預估大概多久的時間嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-25T13:36:39.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:02.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
主要是核安會的審查時程它不會清楚告訴台電說它要審多久，但我今天要這樣講，就是台電這一些設備要符合規格，然後符合安全，以及在冷測試、熱測試上面，我們所有的操作都要順利這件事情是台電的責任，這個我們會做好。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:02.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:06.944000+08:00 |
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我知道，所以核安會審查通過之後，燃料棒才能拿出來？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:08.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:09.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
所以也不知道需要多久時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:11.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:15.869000+08:00 |
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至少我覺得今年要完成可能沒有辦法做到。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:16.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:22.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
那核二至少要等到燃料棒先拿出來之後，才能去做自主安全檢查對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:23.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:29.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
另外一個問題又出來了，請問一下，核廢料就放在那裡嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:29.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:30.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
核廢料就放在乾式貯存槽那裡嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:32.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:33.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
這又是另外一個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:33.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:44.881000+08:00 |
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目前是這樣，因為乾式貯存是相對安全的貯存方式，而最終處置的部分也開始啟動了，那個是一併在走。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:45.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:51.507000+08:00 |
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這只能算是中期先放在萬里那邊，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:51.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:53.809000+08:00 |
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並不是最終放在那邊。不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:53.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:56.551000+08:00 |
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如果是最終放在那邊，我們一定反對的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:56.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:57.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
條件完全不一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:58.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-25T13:37:59.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
對，中高階的核廢料要怎麼做處理，現在有辦法了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-25T13:37:59.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-25T13:38:00.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
國際上有辦法，但臺灣要選址。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-25T13:38:00.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-25T13:38:00.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
選址是最大的問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-25T13:38:00.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-25T13:38:00.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
要放哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-25T13:38:00.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-25T13:38:01.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
有人說可以放他家，開玩笑！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-25T13:38:01.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-25T13:38:01.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
怎麼可能去放他家？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-25T13:38:16.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-25T13:38:33.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
核廢料要放哪裡是一個最重要的問題，所以我就說要重啟核電的話，社會共識是一個問題，第一個是核安，第二個是核廢料，困難重重啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-25T13:38:33.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-25T13:38:53.569000+08:00 |
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當然我們現在是因應核管法的修法先做自主安全檢查，但是未來真的要到重啟核二、核三，我認為是一條漫漫長路，所以這個跟目前……not ending，我再繼續講，快結束了，再給我1分鐘…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-25T13:38:53.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-25T13:38:55.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
30秒，快點！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-25T13:38:55.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-25T13:38:58.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
沒有啦，剛剛洪孟楷也講了1分鐘啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-25T13:38:59.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:00.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我只是跟他平等待遇而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-25T13:39:02.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:07.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
並不是說因為現在缺電，所以我們才要重啟核二、核三對不對？不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-25T13:39:08.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:09.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
這是兩件事情嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-25T13:39:10.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:17.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
最後問一下，目前中油有吸收油價，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-25T13:39:18.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:23.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
不過這個禮拜還是撐不住了，還是有小漲，你看下禮拜的情況呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-25T13:39:23.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:29.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
下禮拜還是按照公司…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-25T13:39:30.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:31.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
動態調整，撐得住還是撐不住？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-25T13:39:38.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:54.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
跟委員報告，我想我們就跟著油價的機制去走，亞鄰最低價之後有專案的平穩措施，目前這一週的整個油價資訊還不完整，所以現在也沒辦法跟委員做比較精確的報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-25T13:39:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:56.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
那所以呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-25T13:39:57.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-25T13:39:58.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
基本上可以凍也是要稍微凍一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-25T13:40:01.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-25T13:40:08.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
原則上，我們都會……亞鄰最低價之後，我們會吸收60%以上，像上個禮拜就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-25T13:40:08.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-25T13:40:10.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
好，因為這個問題前面的委員有問過，你們再一併回復委員，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-25T13:40:11.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-25T13:40:11.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
好，謝謝，謝謝主席。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-25T13:40:11.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-25T13:40:15.424286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
接下來我們請徐富癸委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |