| IVOD_ID |
167861 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167861 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T10:36:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T10:48:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baaed07a61c6eeb3251a5b6789160e7ad0a45dcddfbaa3ed0a43db08b1e8b7a4a0825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:53 - 10:48:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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本席請教部長對於小吃店要全面開立統一發票引發我們業者民眾極大的熱議 |
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財政部馬上就政策轉彎就髮夾彎在19日召開記者會說明原先宣布就是2029年起118年起要實施的全面大眾化的飲食店開立發票的政策要三年內緩衝期內收集各界意見借滿期待期滿前再通過 |
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再行通盤檢討與決議所以是不是在118年確定會上路因為你講說是期滿三年內你們要去收集各界意見期滿就會再行通盤檢討與決議所以到底是在118年會不會上路 |
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跟委員報告也不好意思因為這個過程當中我們一開始沒有說得很清楚所以引起一些紛擾那我還是要再一次的說明就是20萬以下的話依然是免開發票這個部分是非常重要那超過20萬以上的話那118年會不會確定會上路你再說明確告訴大家就127年屆期之前我們會再做審慎的評估 |
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還是會評估不是說一百期滿三年期滿馬上就實施我們會再做審慎評估跟委員報告部長我想我今天關心的是我們整體稅制的一致性與可預期性城鎮部一開始就是是否就是打算要全面實施 |
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所以這樣看起來你先釋放消息是在做民意的測試壓力反應嗎? |
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妳是在測試民意的壓力嗎不是的所以妳政策會這樣反覆就會讓我們大家覺得說財政部啊 |
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對於稅制的整體的一致性可預期性沒有做很周全的一個考量跟委員報告沒有這樣的用意其實部長我們政策在事務面上有公平性尤其這個議題你要如何放寬如何達到公平這之間的斟酌這個要慎重的一個考量 |
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我想部長我本席在我們的地方的選區啊我們在日常行程上去跑的時候中午我們就會停下來到小吃店去用餐嘛所以我們也常發現說部分的小吃店他生意非常的好 |
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但是他卻沒有去開發票但是有些排隊的這些網紅店他也不用被課稅反而部分巷口的麵攤巷口裡面的小麵攤他反而或者是這個滷肉飯的這些攤子他反而營業的營業額度剛好過20萬的門檻就被判定要開立發票並課成5%的這個營業稅 |
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部分營業性特殊的例外情形也可以暫時免開維持免開發票這樣的制度的設計之下公平性難免就產生爭議就是你要如何放寬 |
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這個制度的設計看起來就是很有爭議所以我要請問目前國稅局對於是否達到開立發票標準採用哪些具體的一個判準國稅局他們目前來說有用查定的嘛如果沒有開發票就用查定那他們都有 |
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279.939 |
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一套的計算方式這個部分那另外對於營業性質特殊的是否有明確公開且一致適用的標準我們也有第一個在營業稅法還有適應細則以及相關的財政部的函令裡面都有做一些明確的規定部長我建議就是說財政部未來是否應該要避免政策未定案前你就發布說 |
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就來發布啦 造成民眾的恐慌嘛我想稅制改革的重點 |
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不只要公平而且要穩定與可預期如果標準不夠明確那個訊息反覆就造成我們大眾的恐慌所以你這一次這樣發布就造成這樣一個情形所以未來政策的發布我是希望我們在做決策的時候要慎重的一個考量在做發布因為發布出來又馬上髮夾彎 |
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這樣不僅影響我們這些小吃店業者他的一個決策也會影響民眾對制度的一個信任所以未來我期待你能更慎重一點好不好謝謝委員的期許好 謝謝那接下來請台北101的賈永傑董事長請賈永傑董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
347.981 |
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348.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
好 起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
352.167 |
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379.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
賈董早 賈董我看你最近對政治的議題蠻有興趣的包含你過去製作李前總統的《是惡魔》的海報然後你最近對這個發表道歉並且在二二八期間你在社群平台發表你深入研究林載血案台灣近代史以及人權相關的議題這些都引發熱議 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
381.627 |
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406.875 |
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並且您在今年的大年初五您跟您的先生現身中正紀念堂參觀自由花蕊的展覽在社群平台曬出蔣中正的蠟像照更配上辛辣的文字很嗆繼續罰坐吧看大家多討厭你 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
408.656 |
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423.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
還有藉由台北101的點燈打字以為呼應民主自由的價值紀念總統全民直選30週年的重要時刻見證台灣民主發展的重要里程碑 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
424.54 |
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452.154 |
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我看到您對這些議題或者您的動作都蠻政治性的所以我想請教你未來年底的大選目前媒體發起網路的民調這民調的人選包括有謝聖武律師王世堅委員還有鄭義軍副院長以及你就是針對台北市長的一個選舉所以董事長我想請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
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您當時表示 您有表示 您有自知之明 從來沒有說要選所以今天站在立法院 我想請您很明確的告訴社會大眾您是否是樂於繼續擔任台北101的董事長還是未來您有參選台北市長的一個規劃跟打算 |
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報告委員,我完全沒有任何參選的打算,那台北市長也不在我的人生的規劃當中,謝謝,謝謝。是,所以你會繼續的在台北101,來為這個台北101的整個發展來做努力。是。絕對沒有參選的一個這樣的一個遐想。 |
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有這個遐想嗎 遐想應該不是遐想吧 應該是說我完全沒有這個想法沒有這個想法 好 以上 謝謝謝謝那接下來再請財政部再請賈董事長回座請財政部莊部長部長關於這個國票監控的議題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
524.715 |
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552.069 |
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這個剛才大家也很關心我想這個國票金控這個5月29號就要舉行股東常會改選董事有媒體稱這是一場經營權變天的戲碼那媒體的報導並指出幾位資深金融專家不喜反憂不約而同談到直施公司管理的財政部挑選有軍時若如法以值勢之對國票金控的發展又欠缺長遠的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
553.75 |
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576.375 |
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結果可能是贏了經營權卻失去國票監控的未來就此就算勝利又如何部長你對這樣的一個媒體的看法您的說法您的說明是怎麼樣跟委員報告我們的供股事業投資相關的其他的事業都是根據它內部的有關的管理規範來執行的 |
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578.815 |
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595.678 |
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那當然等5月29號會召開股東會那我想後續呢當然會根據這個股東的一個股權的實力來選任相關提名跟選任董事我想這個部分要做說明那至於媒體上面有各界的一個說辭那我們覺得不予評斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
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師父啊財政部為了推動國票金控的變天動員八大公股與公營事業機構大幅加碼國票金從原本的8%到22%砸下糟蹋新台幣80億元用工苦來進場資金來進場用委託書來操作部長這樣取得經營權的方式是否有經過公開收購的程序 |
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623.527 |
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是否有繞過市場機制之餘而不具正當性部長你的看法如何我想國票金控它是一個上市公司所有的交易都應該都在其中市場裡面交易並沒有所謂的不公開或就是說不公正的情況所以部長公股拿下國票金之後 |
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665.42 |
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是不是就是會有整體的規劃我想這個目前來說有沒有可能跟未來跟公股銀行整合的一個規劃我想要等到5月29號股東會以後按照所選任的董事才能做後續的一個說明好 以上 謝謝好 謝謝林委員現在休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:36:53+08:00 |
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1 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:36:54+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T10:36:55+08:00 |
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請財政部莊部長。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T10:36:56+08:00 |
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請財政部莊部長。 |
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莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-25T10:36:56+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-25T10:36:57+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0 |
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林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-25T10:36:57+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T10:36:58+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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0 |
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林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-25T10:36:58+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-25T10:36:59+08:00 |
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關於小吃店開立發票的政策，剛才大家問了很多。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-25T10:36:53.069000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:37:46.549000+08:00 |
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本席請教部長，對於小吃店要全面開立統一發票，引發業者與民眾極大熱議，財政部就馬上政策轉彎、髮夾彎，在19日召開記者會說明，原先宣布2029（118）年起要全面實施的大眾化飲食店開立發票政策，改為三年緩衝期內蒐集各界意見，屆期前再行通盤檢討與決議，所以是不是118年確定會上路？ |
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0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-25T10:37:47.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-25T10:37:59.441000+08:00 |
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因為你說三年內要蒐集各界意見，期滿會再行通盤檢討與決議，到底118年會不會上路？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:02.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:09.633000+08:00 |
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不好意思，因為在這個過程當中，我們一開始沒有說得很清楚，所以引起一些紛擾。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:09.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:14.458000+08:00 |
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我還是要再次說明，20萬以下依然免開發票，這個部分非常確定。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:14.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:14.918000+08:00 |
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超過20萬以上的話…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:14.938000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:15.218000+08:00 |
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你現在回答我，118年會不會確定上路？ |
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0.571 |
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林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:15.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:15.478000+08:00 |
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你再次明確告訴大家，還是還要評估？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:15.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:16.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
屆期之前，我們會再審慎評估…… |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:27.289000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:27.549000+08:00 |
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還是會評估？對。 |
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0.833 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:38:27.849000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:31.111000+08:00 |
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不是3年期滿馬上就實施嘛？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
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2026-03-25T10:38:31.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:32.892000+08:00 |
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對，我們會再審慎評估。 |
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0.889 |
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林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:32.892000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T10:38:34.313000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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0 |
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林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:34.313000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:45.659000+08:00 |
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部長，我今天關心的是整體稅制的一致性與可預期性，財政部是不是一開始就打算全面實施？ |
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0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:45.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-25T10:38:47.480000+08:00 |
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一開始我們有一個很重要的觀念是，我們希望小商店能引入行動支付或用KIOSK結帳，然後輔導他們…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-25T10:38:47.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-25T10:39:14.828000+08:00 |
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我知道，所以你們先釋放消息，是在測試民意的壓力反應嗎？ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-25T10:39:14.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-25T10:39:14.968000+08:00 |
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沒有，不是。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-25T10:39:16.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-25T10:39:28.325000+08:00 |
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政策這樣反覆就會讓大家覺得財政部對稅制整體的一致性與可預期性沒有很周全的考量。 |
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0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
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2026-03-25T10:39:29.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-25T10:39:30.728000+08:00 |
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沒有這樣的用意。 |
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1 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:39:31.629000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-25T10:39:43.280000+08:00 |
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部長，政策在實務面涉及公平性，尤其這個議題要如何放寬、如何達到公平，這之間的斟酌本來就要慎重考量。 |
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0.864 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:39:45.822000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:40:22.394000+08:00 |
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本席日常在地方選區跑行程時，中午就會停下來到小吃店用餐，常發現部分小吃店生意非常好卻沒有開立發票，一些排隊的網紅店也不用被課稅，反而是部分巷口的小麵攤或賣滷肉飯的攤子，營業額剛好超過20萬門檻，就被判定要開立發票並課徵5%營業稅。 |
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0.914 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:40:28.655000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:40:44.369000+08:00 |
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部分營業性質特殊、有例外情形的業者也可維持免開發票，在這樣的制度設計之下，公平性難免產生爭議，你要如何放寬？ |
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0.878 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:40:49.253000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:40:53.197000+08:00 |
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制度設計看起來就很有爭議。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:40:53.777000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:40:57.680000+08:00 |
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請問目前國稅局對於是否達到開立發票的標準，採用哪些具體的判準？ |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
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2026-03-25T10:40:58.241000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:09.234000+08:00 |
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目前來說，如果沒有開立發票，國稅局就採查定，就這個部分，他們都有一套計算方式。 |
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0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:11.775000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:17.556000+08:00 |
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另外，對於營業性質特殊者，是否有明確、公開且一致適用的標準？ |
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0.962 |
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莊部長翠雲 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:18.396000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:18.896000+08:00 |
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我們也有。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:19.136000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:25.817000+08:00 |
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第一個，在營業稅法還有其施行細則及相關的財政部函令裡面都有明確規定。 |
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0.906 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:26.898000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:36.804000+08:00 |
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我建議部長，財政部未來是否應該避免在政策未定案前就發布，以防止造成民眾恐慌？ |
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0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:38.405000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:54.518000+08:00 |
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稅制改革的重點不只要公平而且要穩定與可預期，如果標準不夠明確、訊息反覆就會造成大眾恐慌，這次發布就造成這樣的情形。 |
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0.962 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:41:55.299000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:15.531000+08:00 |
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所以我希望未來政策發布、在做決策的時候，要慎重考量後再發布，不然發布出來，又馬上髮夾彎，這樣不僅會影響這些小吃店業者的決策，也會影響民眾對制度的信任。 |
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0.882 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:16.571000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:20.533000+08:00 |
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所以未來我期待你能更慎重一點，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:20.673000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:21.213000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員的期許。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:23.034000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:26.856000+08:00 |
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謝謝，接下來請台北101的賈永媫董事長。 |
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0.867 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:26.856000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:27.356000+08:00 |
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請賈永媫董事長。 |
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0.857 |
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林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:45.167000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:45.347000+08:00 |
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賈董早。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:42:45.948000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:43:12.106000+08:00 |
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賈董，我看你最近對於政治的議題蠻有興趣的，包含你過去製作李前總統是惡魔的海報，但你最近對這個有發表道歉，並且你在二二八期間，你在社群平臺發表你深入研究林宅血案、臺灣近代史以及人權相關的議題，這些都引發熱議。 |
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0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-25T10:43:14.627000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:43:20.449000+08:00 |
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並且您在今年大年初五，您跟您的先生現身中正紀念堂…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賈董事長永媫 |
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2026-03-25T10:43:20.449000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T10:43:26.491000+08:00 |
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自由花蕊。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:43:26.491000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:44:02.883000+08:00 |
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參觀自由花蕊的展覽，在社群平臺曬出蔣中正的蠟像照，更配上辛辣的文字，狠嗆「繼續罰坐吧，看大家多討厭你」，還有藉由台北101的點燈打字，以為呼應民主自由的價值，紀念總統全民直選30週年的重要時刻，見證臺灣民主發展的重要里程碑，我看到您對這些議題或者你的動作都蠻政治性。 |
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0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:44:04.063000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:44:34.211000+08:00 |
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所以我想請教你，未來年底的大選，目前媒體有發起網路民調，針對臺北市長的選舉，這民調的人選包括有謝震武律師、王世堅委員還有鄭麗君副院長以及你，所以董事長，我想請教你，您當時有表示，您有自知之明，從來沒有說要選。是。 |
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0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2026-03-25T10:44:34.211000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:44:48.054000+08:00 |
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所以今天站在立法院，我想請你很明確的告訴社會大眾，您是否樂於繼續擔任台北101的董事長，還是未來您有參選臺北市長的規劃跟打算？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
賈董事長永媫 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-25T10:44:49.473000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:44:59.959000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我完全沒有任何參選的打算，臺北市長也不在我人生的規劃當中，謝謝！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:00.179000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:45:07.744000+08:00 |
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所以你會繼續在台北101，為台北101整個發展來做努力？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:08.884000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:45:10.025000+08:00 |
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絕對沒有參選的遐想？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
賈董事長永媫 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:10.025000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T10:45:12.667000+08:00 |
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遐想嗎？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:12.667000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:45:13.387000+08:00 |
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有這個遐想嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
賈董事長永媫 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:14.928000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:45:19.312000+08:00 |
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應該不是遐想，應該是說我完全沒有這個想法。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:19.512000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:45:20.132000+08:00 |
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沒有這個想法？嗯。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:20.473000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:45:22.054000+08:00 |
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好，以上，謝謝！謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:23.815000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:45:25.757000+08:00 |
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接下來再請財政部。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:26.837000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:45:28.659000+08:00 |
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請賈董事長回座，請財政部莊部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-25T10:45:28.659000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:46:13.831000+08:00 |
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部長，關於國票金控的議題，剛才大家也很關心，國票金控5月29號就要舉行股東常會改選董事，有媒體稱這是一場經營權變天的戲碼，媒體報導更指出幾位資深金融專家不喜反憂，不約而同談到職司公股管理的財政部挑選友軍時若無法以直事之，對國票金控的發展又欠缺長遠的規劃，結果很可能是贏了經營權，卻失去國票金控的未來，就算勝利又如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-25T10:46:14.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-25T10:46:21.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
部長對媒體這樣的看法，您的說法、說明是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-25T10:46:21.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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2026-03-25T10:46:44.632000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我們的公股事業投資相關的其他的事業，都是根據它內部有關的管理規範來執行，5月29號會召開股東會，我想後續當然會根據股東股權的實力，來選任相關提名跟選任董事，我想這個部分要做說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-25T10:46:45.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-25T10:46:48.678000+08:00 |
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至於媒體上有各界的說詞，我們覺得不予評斷。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-25T10:46:50.981000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T10:47:09.665000+08:00 |
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部長，財政部為了推動國票金控的變天，動員八大公股與公營事業機構大幅加碼國票金，從原本的8%到22%，砸下超過新臺幣80億元，用公股資金來進場，用委託書來操作。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:10.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:15.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
部長，這樣取得經營權的方式，是否有經過公開收購的程序？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:16.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:19.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
是否有繞過市場機制之虞而不具正當性？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:20.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:21.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
部長您的看法如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:22.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:34.416000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我想國票金控是一個上市公司，所有的交易應該都在集中市場裡面交易，並沒有所謂的不公開或是不公正的情況。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:34.416000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:41.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
所以部長，公股拿下國票金之後，是不是就會有整體的規劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:41.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:42.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我想這個目前來說…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:42.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:46.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
有沒有可能未來跟公股銀行整合的一個規劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:46.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:53.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我想要等到5月29號股東會以後，按照所選任的董事，才能做後續的說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:53.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:55.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
好，以上，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:56.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:57.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
謝謝林委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:57.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-25T10:47:58.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
現在休息5分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-25T10:47:58.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-25T10:48:00.062857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
休息（10時47分） |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-25T10:48:00.362857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-25T10:48:02.077143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
繼續開會（10時53分） |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
主席（李委員坤城代） |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-25T10:48:02.377143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-25T10:48:10.948571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
好，我們休息時間已經到囉，請所有的官員回座，我們等一下繼續進行質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
主席（李委員坤城代） |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-25T10:48:11.248571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-25T10:48:27.248571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
媒體先進是不是也先回到您的位置上面，因為我們現在要繼續開會了，請所有的官員趕快就座，後面的官員們現在要開會囉、現在開會了！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
主席（李委員坤城代） |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-25T10:48:27.548571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-25T10:48:39.834286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我再說最後一次，現在要開會了，請官員陸續就座，休息時間已經結束了，我再重申最後一次，現在要開會了。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席（李委員坤城代） |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-25T10:48:40.134286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-25T10:48:43.277143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
接下來請召委吳秉叡委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |