| IVOD_ID |
167858 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167858 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T10:18:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T10:29:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baaeabdda54ab171b2792ba03baa58d693135dcddfbaa3ed0a432660ba6cc41290bc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:50 - 10:29:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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請謝依鳳委員質詢謝謝主席 或請拱部長請拱部長 謝謝還有中友台電能源署 |
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聽說你也承認了我們五月份的油氣調度會差一點點是不是 |
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那我問你喔我現在就教育你喔就我們的燃煤來講我們每一個就是說我們安全存量依法定的是幾天 |
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煤是30天那現在的存量有多少現在應該是40天40天現在有40天是不是那天然氣呢天然氣規定是11天現在大概12天多了就是法定是11天那現在有12天那石油呢石油法定是多少60天90天現在有90天不是現在 |
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法定是90天那我們現在大概150天150天那所以目前如果在150天後你有沒有辦法確保我們的石油按照天氣進來油是一直有在進來所以從2月28號戰爭開始以後我們那個150天都沒有減少反而在增加所以 |
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雖然有出有進嘛所以這個一定是維持這個一百 |
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比起法定的要超過非常非常多比90天還超過所以會到150天對 現在那如果戰爭不停呢中東的衝突不停呢我們還是會進啊我說中東的衝突不停呢會從其他的地方進呢從其他哪一些地方我有聽你說過主要是美國啦那有確保說一定就是說不會停 |
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都150天以上還是90天以上目前看起來是還是可以調度的到了是可以調度的到是不是好那我想要請問我們現在南韓喔他有26座的核電廠在運轉佔了他的發電總量31.7%那現在我們 |
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賴政府也充其了核電這樣子的一個計畫我想請問這個自主安全檢查需要多久台電的部分他一直講說18個月到兩年兩年自主檢查的部分有沒有辦法更快 |
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我今天口頭報告裡面有把我們現在做的工作一樣一樣講其實坦白說我覺得就台電現在的狀況來說 |
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我們是依著程序同時在進行相關所有的工作不是一項一項做我們是可以做的都同時在做我知道那是不是有辦法更包括他那個LRA裡面相關的老化分析我們直接找原廠來幫忙協助一起做因為他們因為就台灣來講核酸我們就只有兩個機組是這個型的 |
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但原廠他有很多機組是這個型的所以他的專業一定比我們強大來協助我們做評估這個是很重要的那同時 河岸會提出來的包括地震危害案分析等等相關的其他平行的事項我們也是平行在做 |
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國務部長 我這問題非常重要你知道嗎 因為根據台中院的報告2029年的時候 我們如果AI算力中心的用電量是現在的6.5倍你是AI內閣 你們現在是不是AI內閣沒有電 你們AI內閣就shut down了 是不是 |
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不會啦不會 你們現在的政策你們都說誰誰誰 開會你們現在的政策是不是AI政策啊是不是AI幫你做出來的是不是AI幫你做出來的欸 你沒有AI到時候電力沒有了你們AI內閣會不會shut down不會啦會不會shut down不會沒有電啦因為它原來的base很小嘛我說你沒有電力你們AI內閣會不會shut down不會沒有電 |
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我說如果啦勝利中心沒有建立那我說未來台積電如果需要再增加設廠那南韓現在他們的核電是一個低碳穩定的這樣子的供應量那會不會不是現在喔未來在他們電力充足的情況下會不會搶走我們的訂單啊會不會 |
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報告委員因為到2030年2032年所有想要規劃想要蓋半導體廠的部分我們都已經溝通好而且都有做了準備那不是說因為AI算力中心的這樣子因應的需求導致的電力的增加我們有沒有辦法負擔嘛AI算力中心想要做的部分每個廠商也都事先跟我們台電公司我是擔心你們AI那個shut down欸 |
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不會啦 你們沒有電力等下你們shut down了不會沒有電啦 一定會有電所以我現在再講到一點喔南韓是這樣子的情況那我們台灣呢你台灣呢是不是 我們沒有說綠能綠能從未來來看說不定我們20年以後現在的綠能產業也是二行程啊 是不是 |
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從20年以後如果我是說如果我是說20年以後那時候綠能技術的發展來看現在綠能說不定也是二行程啊可是我們從來沒有要停止綠能產業的發展對不對不會因為綠能它是永續的它是一次再生能源所以我是說 |
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技術啦 我是說技術啦20年後的技術有可能比現在更好嗎當然 風機會越來越大 20年以後的技術是比較好轉換效率也會越來越高所以在短暫的期間檢討 然後重啟核電提供我們所有工業發展民生用電穩定的這樣的電力需求有問題嗎 |
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那還是要自主安全檢查我知道 那有沒有辦法更快有沒有辦法更快嘛因為我們現在有競爭對手南韓 日本等等的這樣子的一個這三原則還是要兼顧啦當然啦我當然是這三原則兼顧的情況下有沒有辦法更快嘛我們盡力啊 只要安全有沒有辦法更快 曾董事長有沒有辦法更快可以有解 我們就盡量那個 |
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抱怨我真的很想說一件事現在有很多說我們可以更快或如何齁我剛剛已經把我的工作方式怎麼樣平行在座都說明了更快 |
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會比較好嗎我的意思是說我們的安全如果沒有做到到我是說安全也是我們最重要的我是說在安全的原則之下有沒有辦法更快我要告訴您一件事我們要維持住我這樣子講整個程序一定要照著規矩好好的去做 |
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這個是我們一定的前提在按照程序按照規則的情況下有沒有辦法更快縮短期間我們已經把我們怎麼樣做剛才在這裡面跟各位做報告那你如果說還要更快我很擔心會有別的一些取捨那我不想要在這個時候就這樣子跟您做說明說那我們把一些東西忽略掉來更快不可以的 |
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就是安全的檢查我們一定得照著程序來那我是說在這個前提之下那希望我們可以更快的進行那當然這也因應台灣跟競爭國家對於整個AI的產業以及半導體產業還有民生用電等等需求 |
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還有其實我最後想要問一點就是我們去張冰工業區看了這個就是說河沙的清淤所要棄置的土方那這個部分是不是經濟部協同因為你們現在只有B1到B5嘛那B6的部分就是河沙以及中央的那個河沙的清淤那也需要佔置的那個 |
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那這個部分經濟部應該要過去協調就是說未來就這個B6的土方是不是可以進行環評以及進行就是說戰制的這個測試 現在縣裡面的這個河川的清瘀以及我相信你們中央也沒有嘛那怎麼樣子協助這些需要清瘀的土方氣質 |
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那我覺得這是大家需要共同來解決的問題喔是不是也請你們盡速的去協助對 這個因為行政院有在一直在協調這個土方去化的問題那我們招聘公務員其實是有提供可以暫置的部分我們就提供出來就算現在是清瑜的部分還沒有辦法那請你們部裡面進去協調好不好 |
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我再請那個原管局看看好 B6的土方沒關係 這個等一下再跟你說明主要的話就是說彰化因為我們昨天有去考察所以這個在B6的這個土方在台北港跟其他港是可以那在彰濱這邊又有一些的 |
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疑慮那我是希望說再研究因為土砂的清淤他們很多都是河川的污泥的這樣子的一個含水量過高的問題這個再請部長再跟這個呃楊世青局長再好好研究一下就是說這是地方的問題他必須要去解決好不好那我昨天會議紀錄也會再跟你們要求這樣子的一個報告OK謝謝好謝謝 |