| IVOD_ID |
167858 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167858 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T10:18:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T10:29:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baaeabdda54ab171b2792ba03baa58d693135dcddfbaa3ed0a432660ba6cc41290bc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:50 - 10:29:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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請謝依鳳委員質詢謝謝主席 或請拱部長請拱部長 謝謝還有中友台電能源署 |
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聽說你也承認了我們五月份的油氣調度會差一點點是不是 |
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那我問你喔我現在就教育你喔就我們的燃煤來講我們每一個就是說我們安全存量依法定的是幾天 |
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煤是30天那現在的存量有多少現在應該是40天40天現在有40天是不是那天然氣呢天然氣規定是11天現在大概12天多了就是法定是11天那現在有12天那石油呢石油法定是多少60天90天現在有90天不是現在 |
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法定是90天那我們現在大概150天150天那所以目前如果在150天後你有沒有辦法確保我們的石油按照天氣進來油是一直有在進來所以從2月28號戰爭開始以後我們那個150天都沒有減少反而在增加所以 |
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雖然有出有進嘛所以這個一定是維持這個一百 |
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比起法定的要超過非常非常多比90天還超過所以會到150天對 現在那如果戰爭不停呢中東的衝突不停呢我們還是會進啊我說中東的衝突不停呢會從其他的地方進呢從其他哪一些地方我有聽你說過主要是美國啦那有確保說一定就是說不會停 |
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都150天以上還是90天以上目前看起來是還是可以調度的到了是可以調度的到是不是好那我想要請問我們現在南韓喔他有26座的核電廠在運轉佔了他的發電總量31.7%那現在我們 |
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賴政府也充其了核電這樣子的一個計畫我想請問這個自主安全檢查需要多久台電的部分他一直講說18個月到兩年兩年自主檢查的部分有沒有辦法更快 |
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我今天口頭報告裡面有把我們現在做的工作一樣一樣講其實坦白說我覺得就台電現在的狀況來說 |
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我們是依著程序同時在進行相關所有的工作不是一項一項做我們是可以做的都同時在做我知道那是不是有辦法更包括他那個LRA裡面相關的老化分析我們直接找原廠來幫忙協助一起做因為他們因為就台灣來講核酸我們就只有兩個機組是這個型的 |
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但原廠他有很多機組是這個型的所以他的專業一定比我們強大來協助我們做評估這個是很重要的那同時 河岸會提出來的包括地震危害案分析等等相關的其他平行的事項我們也是平行在做 |
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國務部長 我這問題非常重要你知道嗎 因為根據台中院的報告2029年的時候 我們如果AI算力中心的用電量是現在的6.5倍你是AI內閣 你們現在是不是AI內閣沒有電 你們AI內閣就shut down了 是不是 |
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不會啦不會 你們現在的政策你們都說誰誰誰 開會你們現在的政策是不是AI政策啊是不是AI幫你做出來的是不是AI幫你做出來的欸 你沒有AI到時候電力沒有了你們AI內閣會不會shut down不會啦會不會shut down不會沒有電啦因為它原來的base很小嘛我說你沒有電力你們AI內閣會不會shut down不會沒有電 |
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我說如果啦勝利中心沒有建立那我說未來台積電如果需要再增加設廠那南韓現在他們的核電是一個低碳穩定的這樣子的供應量那會不會不是現在喔未來在他們電力充足的情況下會不會搶走我們的訂單啊會不會 |
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報告委員因為到2030年2032年所有想要規劃想要蓋半導體廠的部分我們都已經溝通好而且都有做了準備那不是說因為AI算力中心的這樣子因應的需求導致的電力的增加我們有沒有辦法負擔嘛AI算力中心想要做的部分每個廠商也都事先跟我們台電公司我是擔心你們AI那個shut down欸 |
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不會啦 你們沒有電力等下你們shut down了不會沒有電啦 一定會有電所以我現在再講到一點喔南韓是這樣子的情況那我們台灣呢你台灣呢是不是 我們沒有說綠能綠能從未來來看說不定我們20年以後現在的綠能產業也是二行程啊 是不是 |
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從20年以後如果我是說如果我是說20年以後那時候綠能技術的發展來看現在綠能說不定也是二行程啊可是我們從來沒有要停止綠能產業的發展對不對不會因為綠能它是永續的它是一次再生能源所以我是說 |
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技術啦 我是說技術啦20年後的技術有可能比現在更好嗎當然 風機會越來越大 20年以後的技術是比較好轉換效率也會越來越高所以在短暫的期間檢討 然後重啟核電提供我們所有工業發展民生用電穩定的這樣的電力需求有問題嗎 |
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那還是要自主安全檢查我知道 那有沒有辦法更快有沒有辦法更快嘛因為我們現在有競爭對手南韓 日本等等的這樣子的一個這三原則還是要兼顧啦當然啦我當然是這三原則兼顧的情況下有沒有辦法更快嘛我們盡力啊 只要安全有沒有辦法更快 曾董事長有沒有辦法更快可以有解 我們就盡量那個 |
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抱怨我真的很想說一件事現在有很多說我們可以更快或如何齁我剛剛已經把我的工作方式怎麼樣平行在座都說明了更快 |
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會比較好嗎我的意思是說我們的安全如果沒有做到到我是說安全也是我們最重要的我是說在安全的原則之下有沒有辦法更快我要告訴您一件事我們要維持住我這樣子講整個程序一定要照著規矩好好的去做 |
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這個是我們一定的前提在按照程序按照規則的情況下有沒有辦法更快縮短期間我們已經把我們怎麼樣做剛才在這裡面跟各位做報告那你如果說還要更快我很擔心會有別的一些取捨那我不想要在這個時候就這樣子跟您做說明說那我們把一些東西忽略掉來更快不可以的 |
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就是安全的檢查我們一定得照著程序來那我是說在這個前提之下那希望我們可以更快的進行那當然這也因應台灣跟競爭國家對於整個AI的產業以及半導體產業還有民生用電等等需求 |
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還有其實我最後想要問一點就是我們去張冰工業區看了這個就是說河沙的清淤所要棄置的土方那這個部分是不是經濟部協同因為你們現在只有B1到B5嘛那B6的部分就是河沙以及中央的那個河沙的清淤那也需要佔置的那個 |
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那這個部分經濟部應該要過去協調就是說未來就這個B6的土方是不是可以進行環評以及進行就是說戰制的這個測試 現在縣裡面的這個河川的清瘀以及我相信你們中央也沒有嘛那怎麼樣子協助這些需要清瘀的土方氣質 |
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那我覺得這是大家需要共同來解決的問題喔是不是也請你們盡速的去協助對 這個因為行政院有在一直在協調這個土方去化的問題那我們招聘公務員其實是有提供可以暫置的部分我們就提供出來就算現在是清瑜的部分還沒有辦法那請你們部裡面進去協調好不好 |
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我再請那個原管局看看好 B6的土方沒關係 這個等一下再跟你說明主要的話就是說彰化因為我們昨天有去考察所以這個在B6的這個土方在台北港跟其他港是可以那在彰濱這邊又有一些的 |
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疑慮那我是希望說再研究因為土砂的清淤他們很多都是河川的污泥的這樣子的一個含水量過高的問題這個再請部長再跟這個呃楊世青局長再好好研究一下就是說這是地方的問題他必須要去解決好不好那我昨天會議紀錄也會再跟你們要求這樣子的一個報告OK謝謝好謝謝 |
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謝謝主席，我請龔部長。 |
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請龔部長，謝謝。 |
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以及中油、台電、能源署。 |
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請中油董事長跟台電董事長。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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謝委員早安。 |
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龔部長早。 |
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聽說你也承認了，我們5月份的油氣調度會差一點點，是不是？ |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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大致上是可以完成的，雖然差一、兩艘，但是因為我們調度的船比較大，所以它的量事實上已經滿足了。 |
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2026-03-25T10:19:38.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
我現在就教於你，就燃煤來講，我們法定安全存量是幾天？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-25T10:19:53.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-25T10:19:54.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
煤是30天。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-25T10:19:55.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-25T10:19:56.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
現在的存量有多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-25T10:19:56.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-25T10:19:58.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
現在應該是40天。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:00.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:01.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
現在有40天，是不是？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:02.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:02.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
天然氣呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:03.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:06.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
天然氣規定是11天，現在大概是十二天多。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:07.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:10.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
就是法定是11天，現在有12天？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:11.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:11.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
石油呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:12.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:13.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
石油規定是…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:14.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:16.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
法定是多少？60天？90天。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:17.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:17.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
現在有90天？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:18.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:25.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
不是，法定是90天，我們現在大概有150天。150天？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:26.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:36.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
所以在150天後，你有沒有辦法確保我們的石油按照天期進來？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:36.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:54.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
油是一直有在進來，所以從2月28號戰爭開始以後，我們的150天都沒有減少，反而是在增加，雖然有出但也有進，因此一定是有維持，比起法定的要超過非常、非常多。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:54.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:55.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
還超過90天？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:55.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:56.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
對，超過。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:56.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:57.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
所以會到150天？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:58.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-25T10:20:58.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
對，現在。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-25T10:20:59.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:00.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
如果戰爭不停呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:01.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:02.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
中東衝突不停呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:02.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:03.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我們還是會進啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:03.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:04.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
還是會從其他國家…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:04.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:06.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
對，我是說中東衝突不停呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:07.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:07.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
還是會從其他的地方進啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:08.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:09.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
從其他，是哪一些地方？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:11.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:11.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我有聽你說過。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:11.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:12.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
主要是美國。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:14.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:17.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
有確保一定不會停？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:18.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:20.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
都150天以上，還是90天以上？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:21.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:26.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
目前看起來還是可以調度得到。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:27.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:28.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
可以調度得到，是不是？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:33.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-25T10:21:55.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
南韓有26座的核電廠在運轉，占其發電總量31.7%，現在賴政府也重啟了核電這樣子的計畫，我想請問，這個自主安全檢查需要多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-25T10:21:57.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-25T10:22:01.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
關於台電的部分，它一直講18個月到2年……2年？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-25T10:22:02.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-25T10:22:03.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
自主檢查的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-25T10:22:03.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-25T10:22:04.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
有沒有辦法更快？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-25T10:22:04.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-25T10:22:12.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
委員，我可以說明嗎？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-25T10:22:12.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-25T10:22:32.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
跟委員報告，我今天的口頭報告裡面有把我們現在做的工作一樣一樣講，坦白說，我覺得就台電現在的狀況來說，我們是依著程序，同時在進行相關所有的工作，不是一項一項做，我們是可以做的都同時在做，我想這也跟委員做個說明，我剛才的報告裡面…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.757 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-25T10:22:32.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-25T10:22:34.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我知道，是不是有辦法…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-25T10:22:35.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-25T10:22:54.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
包括LRA裡面相關的老化分析我們直接找原廠來協助一起做，因為就臺灣來講，核三我們就只有兩個機組是這個型的，但原廠有很多機組是這個型的，所以他們的專業一定比我們強大，可以來協助我們做評估，這個是很重要的。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-25T10:22:54.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:01.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
同時核安會提出來的，包括地震危害分析等等相關的其他平行事項，我們也是平行在做。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:04.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:07.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
龔部長，我這個問題非常重要，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:07.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:20.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
因為根據台綜院的報告，2029年的時候，如果我們AI算力中心的用電量是現在的6.5倍，你是AI內閣耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:20.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:21.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
你們現在是不是AI內閣？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:21.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:22.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
沒有電，你們AI內閣就shut down了，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:28.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:29.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
不會啦！不會？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:29.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:30.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
你們現在的政策，你們都說誰、誰、誰開會…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:30.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:31.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
因為它原來的…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:30.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:31.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
你們現在的政策是不是AI政策啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:31.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:31.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
是不是AI幫你做出來的？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:31.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:32.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
它原來的…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:31.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:32.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
是不是AI幫你做出來的？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:32.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:33.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
你們用AI，到時候電力沒有了，你們AI內閣會不會shut down？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:33.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:33.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
不會啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:33.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:34.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
會不會shut down？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:34.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:34.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
不會沒有電啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:34.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:35.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
因為它原來的base很小嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:35.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:36.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我說沒有電力，你們AI內閣會不會shut down？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:36.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:37.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
不會沒有電。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:57.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-25T10:23:58.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我說如果啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-25T10:23:59.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:00.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
算力中心沒有建立…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:00.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:01.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
但是這個前提條件不存在。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:00.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:03.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我說未來台積電如果需要再增加設廠，而南韓的核電有低碳、穩定的供應量，未來在他們電力充足的情況下，會不會搶走我們的訂單？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:03.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:23.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
不是現在喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:23.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:34.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
報告委員，到2032年所有規劃想要蓋半導體廠的部分，我們都已經溝通好，而且在電力的供應上都有做了準備。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:35.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:42.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
不是說因為因應AI算力中心這樣子的需求而導致電力的增加，我們有沒有辦法負擔？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:42.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:47.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
AI算力中心想要做的部分，每個廠商也都事先跟台電公司做了一些溝通，我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:48.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:49.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我是擔心你們AI內閣shut down耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:50.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:52.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
不會啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:52.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:53.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
你們沒有電力，等一下你們shut down了！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:54.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:54.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
不會沒有電啦！什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:54.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:55.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
會不會？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:54.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:55.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
一定會有電、一定會有電。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:55.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:56.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
我現在再講到一點，南韓是這樣的情況，我們臺灣呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:57.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:57.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
臺灣呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:57.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-25T10:24:57.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-25T10:24:57.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:01.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我們沒有說要停止綠能，從未來來看，二十年以後，說不定現在的綠能產業也是二行程，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:20.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:21.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
二十年以後，如果…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:21.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:22.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
綠能產業不會是二行程…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:21.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:23.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
我是說如果…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:23.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:24.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
綠能產業是…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:23.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:36.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
我是說從二十年以後綠能技術的發展來看，現在的綠能說不定也是二行程，可是我們從來沒有要停止綠能產業的發展，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:36.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:39.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
不會，因為綠能是永續的，它是一個再生能源，它沒有污染…… |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:40.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:43.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
我是說技術啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:45.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:47.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
二十年後的技術有可能比現在更好。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:47.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:49.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
當然，就是風機會越來越大，這是事實……對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.529 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:51.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:53.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
二十年以後的技術是比現在好。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:53.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-25T10:25:54.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
太陽能板的轉換效率也會越來越高，的確。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-25T10:25:54.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:06.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
所以在短暫的期間檢討，重啟核電，提供我們所有工業發展及民生用電需求穩定的電力，有問題嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:08.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:09.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
還是要自主安全檢查，兼顧安全無虞等三原則，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.409 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:10.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:11.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
我知道，有沒有辦法更快？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:11.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:12.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
有沒有辦法更快？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:12.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:16.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
因為我們現在有競爭對手，南韓、日本等等。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:19.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:20.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
這三原則還是要兼顧，核安的部分，還有核廢…… |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:21.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:25.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
當然，在這三原則兼顧的情況下，有沒有辦法更快？ |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:26.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:27.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
我們盡力，只要安全無虞…… |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:27.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:28.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
有沒有辦法更快？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:28.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:29.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
只要安全無虞、核廢有解，我們就儘量。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:29.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:31.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
曾董事長，有沒有辦法更快？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:36.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:49.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
報告委員，我真的很想說一件事，現在有很多人說我們可以更快或如何，我剛剛已經把我們的工作方式怎麼樣平行在做都說明了，更快會比較好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.883 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:49.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:52.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
我的意思是我們的安全如果沒有做到，只做更快，委員，我要告訴…… |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.654 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:54.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:56.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
我說安全也是我們最重要的…… |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:56.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-03-25T10:26:57.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
對，委員，所以我要告訴您一件事…… |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-03-25T10:26:56.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:00.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
我是說在安全的原則之下，有沒有辦法更快？ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:00.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:01.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
我講的是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:00.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:09.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
我要告訴您一件事，我們要維持住，我這樣子講，整個程序一定要照著規矩好好的去做…… |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:09.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:10.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
是，那有沒有辦法更快？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:10.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:12.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
這個是我們一定的前提。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:12.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:17.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
我是說在按照程序、按照規則的情況下，有沒有辦法更快、縮短期間？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:17.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:33.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
我跟委員報告，我們剛才在這裡面已經把我們怎麼樣做跟各位做報告，你如果說還要更快，我很擔心會有一些別的取捨，我不想要在這個時候就跟你說，我們把一些東西忽略掉來更快，不可以的！ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:33.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:34.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
我是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:34.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:37.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
就是安全的檢查，我們一定得照著程序來。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:37.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-03-25T10:27:49.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
是，我是說在這個前提之下，希望我們可以更快的進行，當然這也因應臺灣對於整個AI產業，以及半導體產業，還有民生用電等等的需求。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-03-25T10:27:57.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-03-25T10:28:11.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
我最後想要問一點，我們去了彰濱工業區看河沙清淤所要棄置的土方，這個部分是不是經濟部協同……有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-03-25T10:28:11.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-03-25T10:28:37.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
因為你們現在只有B1到B5，B6的部分（就是河沙）沒有，而且中央的河沙清淤也需要暫置的場址，這個部分經濟部應該要過去協調，未來就B6的土方，是不是可以進行環評以及暫置的測試？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-03-25T10:28:37.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-03-25T10:28:55.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
現在縣裡面的河川清淤沒有，我相信中央的也沒有，怎麼樣協助這些需要清淤的土方棄置，我覺得這是需要大家共同來解決的問題，是不是也請你們儘速去協助？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-03-25T10:28:56.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:06.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
對，因為行政院有一直在協調土方去化的問題，所以我們彰濱工業區是有提供，可以暫置的部分我們就提供出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:07+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:09.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
對，現在就是清淤的部分還沒有辦法，請你們部裡面進去協調，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:12.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:13.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
清淤的部分，我再請園管局看看怎麼樣來做處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.35 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:14.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:15.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
好，B6的土方，謝謝。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:15.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:17.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
沒關係，這個我等一下再跟你說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:18.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:46.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
主要就是我們昨天有去考察彰濱工業區，看到B6的土方在臺北港和其他港是可以的，但在彰濱這邊有一些疑慮，我是希望再研究，因為清淤的土沙很多都是河川的污泥，有含水量過高的問題，這個請部長再跟楊志清局長好好研究一下，這是地方的問題，必須要去解決，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:47.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:51.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
我昨天的會議紀錄也會再跟你們要求這樣的報告，OK，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:51.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:51.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:52.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:54.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
謝謝謝衣鳯委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:54.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-03-25T10:29:59.253429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
現在休息10分鐘，10分鐘以後回來開會，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-03-25T10:29:59.553429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-03-25T10:30:00.696286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
休息（10時30分） |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-03-25T10:30:00.996286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-03-25T10:30:02.710571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
繼續開會（10時42分） |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-03-25T10:30:03.010571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-03-25T10:30:04.724857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
現在繼續開會。 |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-03-25T10:30:05.024857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-03-25T10:30:07.310571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
請張嘉郡委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0 |