| IVOD_ID |
167846 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167846 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T09:20:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T09:36:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae2e146ee345aec966eb630ffb45e2ec875dcddfbaa3ed0a43356a8bce1c9ee5345ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:20:54 - 09:36:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請陳代理主委好 我們請陳代理主委 |
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委員長來 代理主委早我想從去年行政院在提出相關NCC委員名單那之後立法院這邊審議完畢之後到現在NCC委員還是只有三位嘛對不對是那到今年的7月31號這三位委員會任期結束屆滿對沒錯那所以依法令規定4月30號以前要提出新的名單那現在只剩到4月30號只剩一個多月的時間 |
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我想請教一下代理主委有沒有聽到說我們這個名單什麼時候會出來目前毫無所惜你也不知道行政院院長沒有找你開會沒有沒有好所以從去年的11月到現在行政院長沒有找你開過會針對名單或是其他部分沒有就當初要代理的時候有跟我講好沒有問題那我們來看一下因為 |
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代理主委其實都已經把這個實話講出來就是說現在行政院到底對於NCC委員的提名著不著急嚴不嚴峻或者是說認為重不重要我覺得說看行政院的態度因為他半年了嘛 |
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從去年11月到現在3月已經快半年時間那現在4月3號馬上就到了到底名單什麼要提出來名單沒有提出來立法院沒有辦法審查我們就沒有辦法給國人一個交代所以現在是行政院持續的拖延這個時間但另外一個部分 主委 |
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在過完農曆年之後行政院很罕見的不附屬我們所通過的三讀通過的衛廣法修法那你剛剛也講了一個大白話就說行政院長在不附屬前也沒有找你開過任何會所以我們想請教行政院認為衛廣法修法通過沒有辦法依法行政的主要原因是什麼 |
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根據行政院的新聞稿根據行政院新聞稿所以現在代理主委告訴我們一個大白話就是說在行政院長不附屬前也沒有找主管機關來開過會也沒有問過主管機關的意見也沒有問主管機關說到底有沒有自愛難行是不是你也是之後看行政院新聞稿才知道說我們通過法令被行政院不附屬了你覺得這是一個完整的行政流程嗎 |
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各位報告要補充一點行政院的業管處有跟我們要當初衛管法修正時候的利弊分析就是我們當時在交友會提供的意見有提供素材提供給他沒有問題但是我們三讀通過了法令結果行政院要不附屬連找主管機關來請教一下當初修法的過程是什麼都沒有來我們來看一下 |
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為什麼本行那麼重視因為衛廣法的修法其實我們是經過很嚴謹的過程逐條審查意見表達委員會溝通朝野協商到最後真的沒有共識的時候院會來做表決處理哪一點不是符合我們所有的法令規定來 請教我們這次衛廣法通過有幾條照這邊圖是加起來應該 |
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一二三四五六七八九十嘛 十條嘛 對不對來 其中四條我們是不是在交通委員會的時候本席擔任召委的時候我們就在這邊來做一個處理並且是三個黨團有共識NCC主管機關也在現場 沒有反對所以我們在委員會就通過的 |
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是不是對好再來第五條跟第五十條是不是送草野協商之後在草野協商院長主持的草野協商第五條跟第五十條也同意所以說沒有表決我們就通過了第十條跟第十七條到最後民進黨沒有反對所以是國民黨跟民眾黨版本合併起來然後通過的所以真正表決的有幾條 |
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兩條 第十八條跟第十九條嘛 是不是好 那我先請教一下我讓國人了解一下說這一個過程嚴謹的狀況是請教 院會表決NCC沒有辦法參與但是在前面的第一條 第二條 第十一條 第十五條跟第五條 第五十條 十條跟第十七條這八條 NCC我們在現場 |
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在交委會在召委你主持的時候我們都有在場你有參與協商的時候啊參與協商韓院長主持的時候我有在場你也在場嗎對所以兩個協商你都在場啊因為這本來就是我們中華民國立法的時候的一個過程行政部門一定在場即便是黨團三個黨團都同意在委員會我講最沒有爭議的 |
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第一條第二條第十條第十五條國民黨民眾黨民進黨所有的委員同意通過NCC也在現場也沒有反對所以這四條我們委員會就可以處理了對不對是好那五條五十條十條第十七條也都在朝野協商的時候可能有做文字修正但是NCC有沒有表達意見 |
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有適當的表達意見也認為可以行使也認為符合國人的期待或是社會大眾對於這次修法的過程裡面NCC是同意的 |
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就是有折衝過的部分我們是所以NCC同意但是18、19我們是對我先問這先不要進入18、19嘛NCC同意有沒有同意不反對不反對不反對就同意好來18、19條在院會表決 |
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到最後比數是多少 你們記得嗎票數 第19條大家比較廣泛有爭議的 或是說大家覺得說這東西可能NCC沒有辦法同意但是委員會 就沒有辦法嘛因為立法院是多數決嘛 是合議制嘛所以到最後如果說真的沒有的話我們就是到議場要去做表決那表決到最後第19條有人反對嗎當時紀錄好像 好像是如趙偉所講的 |
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沒有人反對60比0嘛國民黨民眾黨的委員投下了同意票民進黨的委員按初期沒有反對所以到時候是60贊成0反對立法院三讀通過法案 |
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NCC我也看啦第19條相對比較有爭議NCC第一時間也跳出來講是說他沒有設計回溯機制所以沒有所謂外界傳言或是綠營網軍特意在講是說哎呀這有可能是中天復台啊沒有啊你們NCC怎麼講馬上第一時間發新聞稿啊就說他沒有回溯機制所以說他沒有存在所謂的復台不復台嗎是不是 |
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這是面向之一所以我講了那麼多我只想要講你不覺得非常離譜嗎NCC還是獨立機關嗎當一個法條立法院三讀通過而三讀通過的過程是委員會充分討論民進黨民眾黨國民黨三個黨團都可以接受的時候來上一張 |
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民進黨民眾黨國民黨都可以通過接受委員會就討論有共識NCC沒有反對NCC的專業意見認為是說第一條第二條第十一條第十五條可以修 |
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通過了第五條第五十條或十條十七條是草野協商的時候大家有共識NCC也都有參與所以也通過了即便是沒有共識的十八十九條沒有辦法因為一定有些時候沒有共識嘛這就是民主的常態但進入到我國立法的行政最後流程就是院會表決的時候沒有人反對 |
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連民進黨在那邊叫附台他們不敢反對 為什麼因為他們後面也有壓力啊不是嗎他們後面也有人說其實這條應該可以修啊 |
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好嘛 所以他們不敢反對嘛沒有人反對結果現在整個三讀通過法令送到了行政院行政院沒有找NCC來開會行政院院長沒有問一下NCC說這一條NCC有沒有自愛難行之處沒有啊 因為NCC都覺得說這可以做啊然後結果到最後行政院院長以不附屬來說我不執行然後他的理由是說這違憲 |
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有違憲之餘說這違法違了哪一個法NCC在跟我們一起違法嗎NCC在跟民進黨民眾黨國民黨團一起違法嗎你不覺得這是一個中華民國憲政史上最黑暗的時刻我拿這個例子我必須要用我交通委員會今天的時間要正告國人如果說我們經過一個很嚴謹的修法程序內容 |
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流程因為我擔任召委所以我非常注重程序正義為什麼我要花那麼多時間逐條審查一次詢答詢答完畢之後我再一次才做逐條審查我排了兩次會就是要讓大家充分表達意見我有沒有讓哪一個民進黨委員說你不能來發言沒有 |
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民進黨委員要來講我充分讓他講講完之後讓NCC來做答覆所以我們才會凝聚那麼多共識至少八個條文裡面是不用表決的就已經草野協商就已經可以二三讀了第十八條第十九條沒有人反對到最後表決然後結果送到行政院行政院沒有找主管機關衛廣法主管機關是誰通常會 |
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NCC嘛國家通訊傳播委員會嘛結果行政院在不附屬的時候連找NCC主委來開會討論過都沒有所以你認為是說你要送資料這麼重要的不附屬不用找你問一下NCC委員的意見你的肩膀跟風骨在哪裡我不為難你因為你是代理主委我說實在話我對因為你畢竟他沒有讓你爭取嘛 |
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但是我的意思是說如果你還要這樣子幫行政院硬撓我看不下去因為這件事情我覺得是大是大非的問題 |
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行政院長可以一個人不附屬用一個本來不屬於他的權利不附屬是針對總統如果他對總統有意見總統公告之後他不附屬那是行政院長還是總統是可是現在行政院長濫用這個權利把他來變成是行政院對於立法院三讀通過法令的一個不尊重而這個立法院三讀通過法令在未廣法這一個部分 |
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是經過非常嚴謹的討論至少上個會期我們已經討論了好幾個月主委 |
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如果看到這樣大家都還可以脫面自甘如果今天我們所有在場的官員大家都還可以脫面自甘認為是說沒關係啦反正行政院長他不附屬嘛那也不是第一次啦是第五次啦他也不附屬了五條啦所以多一條沒關係啦所以將來第六條第七條第八條也可以啊那我們委員會不用開了啦反正委員會在這邊今天是NCC明天是內政部後面是速發部只要 |
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跟在這邊即便達成共識行政官員的專業可以跟立法委員大家充分溝通達成共識的條文結果送出去了到行政院那邊只要行政院覺得不滿意行政院覺得是說臉面掛不住行政院覺得是說這跟他顏色不一樣他就不附屬那以後立法院所有送出的三讀通過的法令都可以這樣玩耶主委 |
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身為參與的人你也是歷史的一份子啊我們現在大家都在共創歷史但這個歷史是中華民國憲政體史上最黑暗的歷史因為這代表什麼代表行政權凌駕立法權立法院三讀通過法令行政院只要不喜歡他可以否決立法院通過的法令即便這個法令修法的時候有行政部門一起參加 |
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然後他可以不管主管機關的意見他可以不尊重獨立機關行使獨立機關權利的時刻因為行政院長大於你獨立機關這就是他展現的傲慢跟態度 |
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無話可說真的真的沒有話可說因為我說真的我也不知道你要怎麼樣幫他辯護啊因為你也很納悶啊因為說實在話行政院長不附屬的時候也沒找你開會啊你連跟他說NO都不行啊你連跟他講是說欸院長其實那八條我們都討論過都不行啊你都沒有機會我們沒有提供都是教會所有人表達的意見是嗎 |
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所以你還是再一次強調你越強調一次就越代表說行政院長傲慢嘛因為行政院長在不附屬的時候連找主管機關連花個時間找你過來問一下說到底通過流程已經你會不會違憲會不會自愛難行有沒有違法之餘他都不願意這就是現在民進黨政府如果國人還看不清楚的話那真的大家就是以後就接受行政院獨大吧 |
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所以這也是我們講是說我今天政黨都會輪替但是重要的是法治精神是跟那個過程國民黨執政過國民黨也因為程序被人家講是說過程怎麼樣所以到2016年民眾選擇了淘汰國民黨讓國民黨再演 |
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那現在過去這十年我們一步一步的讓立法權越來越緊縮行政權獨大然後NCC一個號稱獨立的機關結果沒想到我們修一個法令被行政院長這樣子狠狠的羞辱我覺得這是本席最看不下去的如果說民眾大家還看不下去的話那這樣子台灣真的我不知道未來會走向怎麼樣我真的希望國人能夠了解這個狀況這是為什麼我把今天全部都講清楚 |
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我會在總質詢的時候再問行政院長我會問一樣的問題我看他怎麼拓面自甘但我要講的是主委或是代理主委為中華民國人民服務這是一件很光榮的事情如果說我們沒有任何的封骨或說沒有遇到任何問題然後可以勇於挺身而出講話的話我覺得這樣子我也會對你表達遺憾每個禮拜四的行政院會你有參加 |
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過去幾個禮拜你參加過幾次了行政院長不附屬的時候你也沒有站起來表達一下相關意見感謝 我的資訊到此結束 謝謝 |