| IVOD_ID |
167832 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167832 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T09:25:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T09:37:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae4aaa2b0da50d86f25b6789160e7ad0a4fd4d311afd6111d3f0c54870947c465d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:25:47 - 09:37:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請財政部的部長以及逼金、兆豐金、俄固金、華蘭金四位董事長一起上台請財政部總部長還有剛剛四位董事長請上台委員好 |
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首先請教部長 我們現在正在審這個一點澳洲的國防特別預算就問部長 這個一點澳洲是不是全數舉債 是不是 |
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在特別條例裡面的草案裡面是說以遺用稅據剩餘或舉借債務的方式來對 稅據剩餘現在多少?稅據剩餘這個部分是現在多少?是主計總處在計算的主計總處在計算的我所知道沒有啦所以14年的決算還沒有出來嘛對啊 稅據剩餘大概剩100多億吧所以幾乎全數舉債如果全數舉債又按照行政院的版本的話 |
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每一個人就是要五萬負擔這個五萬就是讓大家知道一下五萬乘以兩千三百萬人財報是一兆多未來要看那個特別預算怎麼去編列跟每一年的安排那對於債務的部分我們財政部是會做整身的管然後都有餘裕我們就還債所以會讓債務的比例往下降就讓大家知道一下讓全民知道一下 |
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我們如果按照這個賴總統 卓院長念之在職所要按照行政版本通過1.25兆幾乎全數舉債一個人要負擔五萬好 那個來 我覺得主要是這四家四家換工股啊投信要合併主導的是第一金嘛 是不是是的第一金的董事長要不要來講一下 |
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進度怎麼樣 進度報告委員 就是有關併購的事情我想我們是上市公司那目前我們都對併購案都是基於保護員工還有客戶的權益股東權益來進行評估分析目前還在進度中大概什麼時候可以宣布正式合併完成還沒有一個確定的進度 對 |
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沒有進度表來這裡要說實話不能來這裡不講話不行啦進行中啦趙鋒晶要不要講一下 趙鋒晶董董報告委員 趙鋒晶是上市公司所以有關任何併購的案子的話沒有送進董事會我們都沒有辦法做評論都目前還沒送董事會還沒還沒何苦勒 何苦勁勒 |
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委員報告,何愧也是上市公司,那我們都會提報董事會,然後再...好,黃蘭菁,黃蘭菁,來也是一樣...還沒有送董事會不過也在...我看媒體報導就是黃蘭菁在反對喔沒有喔反對力很大喔,所以進度,啵啵啵,沒有進度喔都還沒有沒有,我們都配合第一章的那個進度在執行來,莊部長,要說一下嗎,莊部長 |
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媒體講說華南軍在撤走所以這個看起來要合併事實上我們合併不了就這樣我想委員還是上次也提過就是說我們供股投信的適合疑是按規劃的進程來再進行那我們這些上市公司都會按照有關的法律的規定我們第一個時間表明今年底有沒有可能完成合併 |
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我想我們會按照法定的程序跟法定的程序法定的程序是有關金管會政交法的規定都有相關的規定那時間表我想我們會按照相關的規劃進度來進行那等到時機成熟我們會跟對外做公開 |
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這個票呢合併以後你們要快喔因為行政院在規劃主權基金喔主權基金的話就是由這個合併以後的投信來操盜很重要的角色喔是這樣子對不對 |
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主權基金到底是你管還是國會管 |
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目前是國發會在規劃主權基金一定要財政部主導啦主權 財政部就代表主權啦這代表主權就是財政部啊各位報告還是目前在整體規劃而且會朝向訂定專法的方式來做執行進度咧 主權基金的進度呢進度目前國發會在規劃可能國發會更清楚 對 |
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他們也在收集國際間的各種材料你們要動用外匯是有償還是無償的部分動用外匯存體是央行來做主導我先講好了你們要無償使用我絕對分隊誓死分隊無償使用外匯要外匯用我就有償去買好了 四位董事長請回我再請教今天跟河濱有關有一個題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
365.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
379.885 |
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這個泛光股跟台酒啊台酒簡直花了80億以上去買到國票金22%的股權今年五月底要改選董建勢還要增設一個副董事長這東西真多的事上一次你提過說你的安排是實力原則好一個實力原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
395.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
417.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
這個我們從37年來就已經形成一個定定的一個台灣的國漁事業往民營化的方向走國漁事業要符合潮流時代往民營化的方向走就像你今天反其道而行你現在花人民的錢去買了國貿金 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
419.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
拿了22%如果你要介入經營群 董事長你派 總經理你派這個東西跟潮流 當然實力原則你拿了22%董事長 總經理你來派 天經地義 天公地道可是 我們看下一頁 不要忘了監管會嚴格限制喔 授選頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
443.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
454.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
動用保護的資金我用我的保單我交了錢買保險他用我的保險的錢介入經營權金管是限制的而且不得行使表決權同樣的道理你用納稅人的錢公共都是納稅人的錢啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
471.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
498.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
水銀台 台土說百分之百都是要財政部的 拿北溪的錢啦而且用存款戶的錢然後你去取得民營企業的經營權這個東西 外界聲音很大聲耶就是說對於國庫要金 小小的一個國庫要金它的資本也不高 資產也不高為什麼你介入這麼大的力量買了22% |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
501.537 |
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514.124 |
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那你再次回答我說你有什麼實力就用新時代的權力很好但是外界還是不斷質疑你你這次買的只是為特定的一個集團來互換來幫他互換這樣的一件事情你要不要回應一下跟委員報告我們翻供股事業投資相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
528.959 |
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553.457 |
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轉投資相關的事業那是他們本於自己的一個自己公司治理以及這個相關的規範來做那麼他們目前來說國票金裡面有第一銀行跟核庫銀行都有派一名董事還有一個推薦一個獨立董事那麼都會請這些董事代表們來忠實的執行職務以及盡善良管理人的義務那至於買進以後呢後續再 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
556.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
567.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
在今年的五月會進行所謂的股東大會股東會然後做進行的改選那當然這15席的部分都是經過國票經的董事會決議通過的那後續當然根據這個相關的股權股權的實力來做相關的提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
576.554 |
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594.998 |
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無畏敵你們會財政部會派人當國票卿董事長跟總經理我這句話對不對我想這個目前來說都還沒有確定嘛因為股東會都還沒有開相關的董事的但是你提到實力原則就是實力原則實力原則當然既然持股當然就是按照實力原則進行嘛其實我們希望因為國營事業我們希望你做個典範 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
606.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
608.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
所有群跟精英群可以分开的 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
609.83 |
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636.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
找專業經理人去當董事長專業經理人當總經理 單獨你們派單獨你們派得高望重 經驗豐富的我覺得都是你們去認真思考的因為你不斷簽掉實力原則我們沒有話說但是董事長總經理的任命我們希望必要政治任命最後一點我們在這個文化通過喔台土書 然後跟下一頁台土書 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
639.351 |
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連貢福利我們希望比照泛公股結果你根本回憶是打槍耶你在這裡我們朝野三黨大家牽制結果你是打槍耶就是有關於泛公股我們的台土書跟泛公股的火石灰生力補助獎金連貢信託福利信託等福利我們希望提高競爭力跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
667.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
676.364 |
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范國古一樣比如說台土書跟趙鋒一樣結果你在這裡都說好咧給我回文都說不好咧怎麼可以這樣子部長委員我們沒有說不好啊第一個就是生育補助費的部分十萬元十萬元是拉基德講十萬元那全國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
690.031 |
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707.738 |
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第二個就是有關伙食費還有績效獎金員工酬勞以及辦理員工信託這個部分我們已經都呈報行政院那目前在人總這邊在做作業當中與其不許一下人總說不好我現在就跟你講因為你這裡就推給人總人總說不好我們還是持續的在工作當中我們三黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
714.02 |
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726.372 |
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立為共識提出來的案子我們希望你認真去推 好不好好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝賴委員接下來請第三位郭國文委員質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-03-25T09:25:47.709000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-03-25T09:25:50.131000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進。 |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-03-25T09:25:50.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:00.097000+08:00 |
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有請財政部部長以及第一金、兆豐金、合庫金、華南金四位董事長一起上臺。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.833 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:00.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:02.799000+08:00 |
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請財政部莊部長，還有四位董事長上臺。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:02.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:02.959000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:02.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:13.684000+08:00 |
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部長以及各位長官好。 |
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0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:13.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:25.412000+08:00 |
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首先請教部長，我們現在正在審1.25兆的國防特別預算，所以我要請教部長，這1.25兆是不是全數舉債？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:25.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:25.572000+08:00 |
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是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:27.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:34.538000+08:00 |
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特別條例草案裡是移用歲計賸餘或舉借債務的方式來做。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:34.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:35.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
歲計賸餘現在多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:37.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:41.821000+08:00 |
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歲計賸餘是主計總處在計算的。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:41.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:42.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我所知道的是沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:43.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:45.363000+08:00 |
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114年的決算還沒有出來…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:46.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-25T09:26:49.305000+08:00 |
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歲計賸餘大概剩一百多億，所以幾乎全數舉債！ |
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0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-25T09:26:49.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-25T09:27:02.473000+08:00 |
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如果全數舉債且按照行政院版本計算，那麼每一個人就是要5萬、要負擔5萬，這點讓大家知道一下。 |
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0.795 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-25T09:27:03.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-25T09:27:06.216000+08:00 |
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5萬乘以2,300萬人才有辦法達到一兆多！ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-25T09:27:06.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-25T09:27:10.799000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，未來要看特別預算怎麼編列及跟每年的安排而定。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-25T09:27:11.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-25T09:27:19.966000+08:00 |
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至於債務部分，財政部會做審慎評估，如果有餘裕我們就還債，好讓債務的比例往下降。 |
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0.771 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-25T09:27:20.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-25T09:27:33.595000+08:00 |
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就讓大家知道一下、讓全民知道一下，如果按照賴總統、卓院長念茲在茲的行政院版本來通過這1.25兆，就是幾乎要全數舉債，且一個人要負擔5萬！ |
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0.828 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-25T09:27:34.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-25T09:27:38.298000+08:00 |
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針對這四家泛公股投信要合併，主導的是第一金，是不是？是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-25T09:27:38.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-25T09:27:40.039000+08:00 |
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第一金董事長要不要來講一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-25T09:27:55.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-25T09:27:55.885000+08:00 |
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進度怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
邱董事長月琴 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-25T09:27:57.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:15.079000+08:00 |
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報告委員，有關併購一事，由於我們是上市公司，對於併購案均基於保護員工及客戶權益、股東權益來進行評估分析，目前還在進度中。 |
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0.889 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:15.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:19.423000+08:00 |
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大概什麼時候可以正式合併完成、對外宣布？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.778 |
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邱董事長月琴 |
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2026-03-25T09:28:20.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:28:22.905000+08:00 |
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還沒有確定的進度，還在進度中。 |
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0.615 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-25T09:28:24.247000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T09:28:24.467000+08:00 |
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沒有進度表？還在…… |
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0.714 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:24.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:28:24.887000+08:00 |
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來這裡要說實話，也不能來這裡不講話！ |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:24.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:24.947000+08:00 |
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不行啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
邱董事長月琴 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:25.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:25.087000+08:00 |
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進行中。 |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:27.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:27.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
兆豐金要不要講一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:27.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:28.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
兆豐金董董事長？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
董董事長瑞斌 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:27.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:29.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
報告委員，兆豐金是上市公司，任何併購案沒有送進董事會，我們都沒有辦法做評論。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:30.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:30.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
目前還沒送董事會？還沒。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:30.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:53.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
合庫金呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
林董事長衍茂 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-25T09:28:53.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-25T09:28:59.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
跟委員報告，合庫也是上市公司，我們都會提報董事會，然後再做…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:00.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:03.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
還有華南金也是一樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳董事長芬蘭 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:03.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:05.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
還沒有送董事會，不過…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:06.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:09.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我看媒體報導華南金反對！沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:10.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:13.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
反對力道很大，所以沒有進度！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳董事長芬蘭 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:15.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:18.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
沒有，我們都配合第一金的進度在執行。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:19.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:20.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
莊部長要不要講一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:22.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:30.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
媒體說華南金在掣肘，看起來要合併，事實上合併不了，就是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:30.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:42.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
委員上次也提過，公股投信四合一是按規劃的進程來進行，且這些上市公司都會按照相關法律規定…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:43.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:44.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
部長，我們訂個時間表！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:45.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:46.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
今年底有沒有可能完成合併？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:46.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:48.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
今年底？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:48.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:51.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我們會按照法定程序及法定作業一定會做…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:51.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:52.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
法定程序是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:52.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:53.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我不聽懂啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:51.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:51.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
法定程序…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:51.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:52.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
法定程序就是有關金管會…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:52.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:53.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
時間表呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:52.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:53.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
跟證交法都有相關規定。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:53.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-25T09:29:55.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
至於時間表，我們會按照相關的規劃進度來進行，等到時機成熟，我們會對外做公開說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-25T09:29:55.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:04.085500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
聽不懂！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:04.085500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:12.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
相關、相關聽不懂！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:12.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:17.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我想合併以後你們動作要快，因為行政院在規劃主權基金！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:18.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:24.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
而主權基金就是由合併以後的投信來操刀，這是很重要的角色，是這樣子對不對，部長？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:24.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:25.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我不知道委員的消息從哪裡來…… |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:25.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:26.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
從你那裡啊、從你那裡啊！從我？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:26.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:27.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我從來沒有說過這樣的話！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:27.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:28.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
主權基金目前國發會還在規劃當中…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:28.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:29.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我就聽到你這樣說！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:29.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:30.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
國發會還在規劃當中，而且未來可能朝向訂定專法的方式來做後續的執行。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:26.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:27.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
主權基金到底是你管，還是國發會管？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:52.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-25T09:30:56.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
是國發會在規劃。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-25T09:30:56.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:04.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
主權基金一定要由財政部主導，主權、主權，財政部就代表主權，不是這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:04.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:06.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
最能代表主權的就是財政部啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:07.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:12.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
跟委員報告，目前還在整體規劃，而且會朝向訂定專法的方式來執行。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:13.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:13.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
進度呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:14.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:14.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
主權基金的進度？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:15.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:15.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
有沒有進度？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:15.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:23.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
目前國發會在規劃，可能國發會更清楚，而且他們也在蒐集國際間的各種資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:24.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:27.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
動用外匯是有償還是無償的？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:29.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:33.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
動用外匯存底由央行主導。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:33.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:36.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
我先講了，若你們要無償使用，我絕對反對！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:37.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:39.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
誓死反對無償使用外匯！ |
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0.8 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-25T09:31:39.696000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T09:31:42.097000+08:00 |
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要使用外匯，有償去買就好了。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:43.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:44.198000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
四位董事長請回，我再請教跟合併有關的題目。 |
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0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-25T09:31:44.198000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-25T09:31:52.213000+08:00 |
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董事長請回座。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-25T09:31:52.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:32:06.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
泛公股跟臺酒，臺酒減資花了八十億以上去買到國票金22%的股權，今年5月底要改選董監事，還要增設一個副董事長，這是一件很大的事情喔！ |
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0.754 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-25T09:32:06.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:32:06.885000+08:00 |
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上一次你提過你的安排是實力原則，好一個實力原則！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-25T09:32:23.529000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T09:33:06.819000+08:00 |
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37年來行政院就已經訂定臺灣的國營事業往民營化的方向走，國營事業要符合潮流時代往民營方向走，結果你今天反其道而行，你現在花人民的錢去買了國票金，拿了22%的股權，然後你要介入經營權，董事長你派、總經理你派，這種作法跟潮流……當然實力原則，你拿了22%，董事長、總經理都由你來派，天經地義、天公地道，可是不要忘了金管會嚴格限制喔！ |
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| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-25T09:33:10.565000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T09:33:19.771000+08:00 |
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壽險業動用保戶的資金，就是我用我的保單，我交了錢買保險，他用我保險的錢介入經營權，金管會是限制的，而且不得行使表決權。 |
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0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-25T09:33:19.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-25T09:33:21.352000+08:00 |
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同樣的道理，你用納稅人的錢，公股都是納稅人的錢啊！ |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-25T09:33:38.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-25T09:34:05.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
臺銀、土銀、輸出入銀行百分之百都是財政部的、老百姓的錢啊，而且用存款戶的錢，然後你去取得民營企業的經營權，對於這件事，外界的聲音很大聲耶，對於國票金，一個小小的國票金，它的資本額也不高、資產也不高，為什麼你介入這麼大的力量，買了22%？ |
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0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-25T09:34:08.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-25T09:34:20.724000+08:00 |
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你上一次回答我說，你有什麼實力就行使它的權利，很好，但是外界還是不斷質疑你，你這一次買了只是為特定的一個集團來幫他護航，這一件事情，你要不要回應一下？ |
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0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-25T09:34:20.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-25T09:34:59.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
跟委員報告，我們公股事業投資相關的、轉投資相關的事業，那是他們本於自己的公司治理，以及依據相關的規範來做，目前來說，國票金裡面，第一銀行跟合庫銀行都有派一名董事，還有推薦一個獨立董事，我們會請這些董事代表們來忠實執行職務，以及盡善良管理人的義務。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-25T09:34:59.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-25T09:35:14.127000+08:00 |
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至於買進以後，後續在今年的5月會進行股東大會，在會上會進行改選，當然這15席的部分都是經過國票金的董事會決議通過的，後續會根據相關的股權實力來做相關的提名，以及…… |
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0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-25T09:35:26.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:35:31.556000+08:00 |
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是啦，但我用白話文就是說，5月底財政部會派人當國票金董事長跟總經理，我這句話對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.622 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-25T09:35:31.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-25T09:35:37.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
我想目前來說這都還沒有確定嘛，因為股東會都還沒有開，相關的董事人選都還沒有確定…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.757 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-25T09:35:37.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-25T09:35:38.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
可是你強調實力原則…… |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-25T09:35:38.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-25T09:35:38.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
對，實力原則。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-25T09:35:38.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-25T09:35:39.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
實力原則就是這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-25T09:35:39.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:35:41.158000+08:00 |
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既然持股，當然就是按照實力原則來進行嘛！ |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-25T09:35:41.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:36:00.932000+08:00 |
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其實我們也希望國營事業可以做個典範啦，所有權跟經營權可以分開了，找專業經理人去當董事長、找專業經理人當總經理。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-25T09:36:01.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:36:16.438000+08:00 |
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當然都是你們派，看你們是不是要派德高望重、經驗豐富的，我覺得都是你們要去認真思考的，因為你不斷強調實力原則，我們也沒有話說，但是董事長、總經理的任命，我們希望不要政治任命。 |
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0.805 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-25T09:36:16.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:36:31.873000+08:00 |
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最後一點，我們在這個委員會通過臺、土、輸的員工福利我們希望比照泛公股，結果你給我們的回應是打槍耶！ |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-25T09:36:33.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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2026-03-25T09:37:00.222000+08:00 |
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部長，我們朝野三黨在這裡大家簽字，結果你是打槍耶，有關於泛公股，我們的臺、土、輸跟泛公股的伙食費、生育補助、獎金、員工信託、福利信託等福利，我們希望提高競爭力，跟泛公股一樣，比如說臺、土、輸跟兆豐一樣，你在這裡都說好，結果給我的回文都說不好，怎麼可以這樣子？部長。 |
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0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:00.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:01.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
委員，我們沒有說不好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:01.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:02.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
你這裡就是說不好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:01.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:02.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
第一個，生育補助費的部分，10萬元，等到院裡面考量以後…… |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.591 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:02.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:03.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
10萬元是賴清德講10萬元，那是全國的…… |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:03.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:17.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
對，我們報院後會全國一致嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:17.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:27.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
第二個，有關伙食費，還有績效獎金、員工酬勞以及辦理員工信託這個部分，我們已經都呈報行政院，目前在人總那邊作業當中，它已經…… |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:28.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:33.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
你去push一下，人總說不好，我現在就跟你講，因為你這裡就推給人總，人總說不好，是這樣！ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:33.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:34.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
我們還是持續的溝通當中。 |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:34.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:46.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
不要、不要，這是我們三黨立委共識提出來的案子，我們希望你認真去推，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.781 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:46.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:48.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:48.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:50.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
好，謝謝賴委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-03-25T09:37:50.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-25T09:37:53.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
接下來請第三位郭國文委員質詢。 |
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1 |