| IVOD_ID |
167832 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167832 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T09:25:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T09:37:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae4aaa2b0da50d86f25b6789160e7ad0a4fd4d311afd6111d3f0c54870947c465d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:25:47 - 09:37:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請財政部的部長以及逼金、兆豐金、俄固金、華蘭金四位董事長一起上台請財政部總部長還有剛剛四位董事長請上台委員好 |
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首先請教部長 我們現在正在審這個一點澳洲的國防特別預算就問部長 這個一點澳洲是不是全數舉債 是不是 |
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在特別條例裡面的草案裡面是說以遺用稅據剩餘或舉借債務的方式來對 稅據剩餘現在多少?稅據剩餘這個部分是現在多少?是主計總處在計算的主計總處在計算的我所知道沒有啦所以14年的決算還沒有出來嘛對啊 稅據剩餘大概剩100多億吧所以幾乎全數舉債如果全數舉債又按照行政院的版本的話 |
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每一個人就是要五萬負擔這個五萬就是讓大家知道一下五萬乘以兩千三百萬人財報是一兆多未來要看那個特別預算怎麼去編列跟每一年的安排那對於債務的部分我們財政部是會做整身的管然後都有餘裕我們就還債所以會讓債務的比例往下降就讓大家知道一下讓全民知道一下 |
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我們如果按照這個賴總統 卓院長念之在職所要按照行政版本通過1.25兆幾乎全數舉債一個人要負擔五萬好 那個來 我覺得主要是這四家四家換工股啊投信要合併主導的是第一金嘛 是不是是的第一金的董事長要不要來講一下 |
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進度怎麼樣 進度報告委員 就是有關併購的事情我想我們是上市公司那目前我們都對併購案都是基於保護員工還有客戶的權益股東權益來進行評估分析目前還在進度中大概什麼時候可以宣布正式合併完成還沒有一個確定的進度 對 |
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沒有進度表來這裡要說實話不能來這裡不講話不行啦進行中啦趙鋒晶要不要講一下 趙鋒晶董董報告委員 趙鋒晶是上市公司所以有關任何併購的案子的話沒有送進董事會我們都沒有辦法做評論都目前還沒送董事會還沒還沒何苦勒 何苦勁勒 |
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委員報告,何愧也是上市公司,那我們都會提報董事會,然後再...好,黃蘭菁,黃蘭菁,來也是一樣...還沒有送董事會不過也在...我看媒體報導就是黃蘭菁在反對喔沒有喔反對力很大喔,所以進度,啵啵啵,沒有進度喔都還沒有沒有,我們都配合第一章的那個進度在執行來,莊部長,要說一下嗎,莊部長 |
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媒體講說華南軍在撤走所以這個看起來要合併事實上我們合併不了就這樣我想委員還是上次也提過就是說我們供股投信的適合疑是按規劃的進程來再進行那我們這些上市公司都會按照有關的法律的規定我們第一個時間表明今年底有沒有可能完成合併 |
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我想我們會按照法定的程序跟法定的程序法定的程序是有關金管會政交法的規定都有相關的規定那時間表我想我們會按照相關的規劃進度來進行那等到時機成熟我們會跟對外做公開 |
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這個票呢合併以後你們要快喔因為行政院在規劃主權基金喔主權基金的話就是由這個合併以後的投信來操盜很重要的角色喔是這樣子對不對 |
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主權基金到底是你管還是國會管 |
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目前是國發會在規劃主權基金一定要財政部主導啦主權 財政部就代表主權啦這代表主權就是財政部啊各位報告還是目前在整體規劃而且會朝向訂定專法的方式來做執行進度咧 主權基金的進度呢進度目前國發會在規劃可能國發會更清楚 對 |
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他們也在收集國際間的各種材料你們要動用外匯是有償還是無償的部分動用外匯存體是央行來做主導我先講好了你們要無償使用我絕對分隊誓死分隊無償使用外匯要外匯用我就有償去買好了 四位董事長請回我再請教今天跟河濱有關有一個題目 |
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這個泛光股跟台酒啊台酒簡直花了80億以上去買到國票金22%的股權今年五月底要改選董建勢還要增設一個副董事長這東西真多的事上一次你提過說你的安排是實力原則好一個實力原則 |
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這個我們從37年來就已經形成一個定定的一個台灣的國漁事業往民營化的方向走國漁事業要符合潮流時代往民營化的方向走就像你今天反其道而行你現在花人民的錢去買了國貿金 |
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拿了22%如果你要介入經營群 董事長你派 總經理你派這個東西跟潮流 當然實力原則你拿了22%董事長 總經理你來派 天經地義 天公地道可是 我們看下一頁 不要忘了監管會嚴格限制喔 授選頁 |
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動用保護的資金我用我的保單我交了錢買保險他用我的保險的錢介入經營權金管是限制的而且不得行使表決權同樣的道理你用納稅人的錢公共都是納稅人的錢啊 |
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水銀台 台土說百分之百都是要財政部的 拿北溪的錢啦而且用存款戶的錢然後你去取得民營企業的經營權這個東西 外界聲音很大聲耶就是說對於國庫要金 小小的一個國庫要金它的資本也不高 資產也不高為什麼你介入這麼大的力量買了22% |
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那你再次回答我說你有什麼實力就用新時代的權力很好但是外界還是不斷質疑你你這次買的只是為特定的一個集團來互換來幫他互換這樣的一件事情你要不要回應一下跟委員報告我們翻供股事業投資相關的 |
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轉投資相關的事業那是他們本於自己的一個自己公司治理以及這個相關的規範來做那麼他們目前來說國票金裡面有第一銀行跟核庫銀行都有派一名董事還有一個推薦一個獨立董事那麼都會請這些董事代表們來忠實的執行職務以及盡善良管理人的義務那至於買進以後呢後續再 |
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在今年的五月會進行所謂的股東大會股東會然後做進行的改選那當然這15席的部分都是經過國票經的董事會決議通過的那後續當然根據這個相關的股權股權的實力來做相關的提名 |
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無畏敵你們會財政部會派人當國票卿董事長跟總經理我這句話對不對我想這個目前來說都還沒有確定嘛因為股東會都還沒有開相關的董事的但是你提到實力原則就是實力原則實力原則當然既然持股當然就是按照實力原則進行嘛其實我們希望因為國營事業我們希望你做個典範 |
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所有群跟精英群可以分开的 |
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找專業經理人去當董事長專業經理人當總經理 單獨你們派單獨你們派得高望重 經驗豐富的我覺得都是你們去認真思考的因為你不斷簽掉實力原則我們沒有話說但是董事長總經理的任命我們希望必要政治任命最後一點我們在這個文化通過喔台土書 然後跟下一頁台土書 |
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連貢福利我們希望比照泛公股結果你根本回憶是打槍耶你在這裡我們朝野三黨大家牽制結果你是打槍耶就是有關於泛公股我們的台土書跟泛公股的火石灰生力補助獎金連貢信託福利信託等福利我們希望提高競爭力跟 |
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范國古一樣比如說台土書跟趙鋒一樣結果你在這裡都說好咧給我回文都說不好咧怎麼可以這樣子部長委員我們沒有說不好啊第一個就是生育補助費的部分十萬元十萬元是拉基德講十萬元那全國的 |
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第二個就是有關伙食費還有績效獎金員工酬勞以及辦理員工信託這個部分我們已經都呈報行政院那目前在人總這邊在做作業當中與其不許一下人總說不好我現在就跟你講因為你這裡就推給人總人總說不好我們還是持續的在工作當中我們三黨 |
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立為共識提出來的案子我們希望你認真去推 好不好好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝賴委員接下來請第三位郭國文委員質詢 |