| IVOD_ID |
167815 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167815 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-24T15:18:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-24T15:49:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e45a85cfecfeae923e9906c1d8f85065909f2e94215b2814abcb3f80422748925de5def0959499e85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃建賓 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:18:41 - 15:49:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「對本院內政委員會召集委員李柏毅115年3月16日主持會議時之行為提出最嚴厲之譴責，並將李柏毅委員移送紀律委員會。嚴正要求民進黨政府：停止踐踏中華民國的民主與法治，停止對陸配與新住民的歧視、打壓與追殺。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月20日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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張偉林委員請準備謝謝院長 我們有請行政院院長還有農業部長上台再請左院長農業部長備選黃委員好 院長好 部長好 |
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台東是台灣面對太平洋的地道門面更是我們全國重要的農業的重鎮但現在台東的農民他現在面臨著三個壓力第一個就是外銷卡關第二個就是天災的衝擊還有生產成本的高漲農民的生計受到嚴峻的考驗跟挑戰 |
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那今天本席要特別針對台東中澳兩項經濟命脈的作物也就是釋迦跟稻米向中央來反映地方農民長期以來所承受的這些困境那我們中央在制定政策的時候應該要更正視我們這些台東農民所面對的市場不確定性還有氣候的風險我們不能讓第一線的生產者獨自承擔所有的壓力那許醫生 您現在要說的就是我們的經濟作物就是釋迦 釋迦的部分 |
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那過去世嘉我們外銷曾經有達到一年破萬噸的這個規模那今年大幅的銳減那去年更只剩下三千噸那這樣的落差其實我相信院長跟部長都很清楚知道因為我們主要的整個外銷的市場都是以中國大陸為主 |
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那也因為兩岸這幾年的政治氛圍的關係然後缺乏溝通的機制底下然後再加上關稅的種種問題現在農民要承受這樣的結果那我們目前我們正在推動這個農產品海外託銷獎勵計劃這是今年馬國部長今年這樣結尾後 |
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是要針對往年最大的海外的私家海外市場來做一些運費的補貼可是我們今天看到中國大陸是完全沒有那這個是不是在告訴農民說我們要放棄中國大陸這個市場那如果是真的要放棄的話那我們配套措施在哪裡這個是不是要讓我們農民也知道說我們不要賣中國大陸我們要賣德國我跟委員報告其實鳳梨市場是一個標準的被中國操縱的一個品項 |
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那在110年的時候他用藉殼種的部分禁止我們輸出以後那時候農民都非常跟農業部站在一起我們努力的去外銷可是到了112年他又透過正式的聽我講啊透過正式的一個談判跟協助又開放了結果農民本來跟我們配合的現在他又 |
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又不跟我們配合了這樣子的一個方式我想產銷的條件一定是政府跟農民一起站在一起部長其實本席要問的就是這個本席其實是我第一次質詢跟部長討論的我們就是針對本屆各種的問題嘛對不對其實我們都相信我們很努力這幾年來其實我們也做了很多嘗試不知道新南進包括冷鏈送到北美其實我們都做了很多嘗試可是現實問題就是這一些情況 |
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部長這個產業要形成不是這麼簡單你從種植然後到改良到市場接受那找到市場這個一個循環他經過一二十年的努力部長這是我們台東進度的狀況我也要跟農民的意見 法定部長聽就是說如果真的我們今天這個市場不適合的時候我們有沒有其他替代的市場在 |
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如果在還沒有市場之前我們這個市場是先把它維持住不然它牽涉的不只是釋迦農它包括這些周邊的產業農藥肥料這些耗材這種種還有包括靠這個維生的這些工人這不一定這是農民的心聲 |
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我先報告 您記得去年院長到台東的時候有沒有針對那個資助有沒有的一個協助那表示說其實我們對世家農是非常協助的那後續我們包括我們的外銷包括我們的加工產品我們一定會跟我們的世家農一起在努力讓他變成一個多元的市場 |
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對我們還是要找出路嘛對不對所以我看到今年推出一個轉作的計畫就轉作一公頃20萬嘛對不對部長一公頃20萬塊這年三成本就沒夠了這個誘因怎麼樣讓他來轉作這個是我覺得政策上還要再去考慮的問題那另外我想還是要跟部裡面這邊來建議啦針對 |
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我們整個施加出口的問題還有檢疫的問題我們中央還是要面對這些要扛起責任我們地方都願意來配合我們願意來行銷好不容易找到一個台東很引以為傲而且是很重要的經濟作物我們希望不要這麼輕易的放棄它 |
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沒錯 我希望農業部能夠協助我們的農民建立更多的海外市場並不代表我們要放棄任何一個市場但是我們希望建立的是一個穩定而且沒有政治干涉的產商秩序當然 我們都期待是這樣但是更多元的國際市場去做更多的開發這是必要的 |
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但是原有的市場我們如果維持他是個穩定沒有干擾的我們當然全力的來協助院長我們都支持因為我相信雞蛋不能放在同一個籃子裡面我們也不想要讓這些農民他這麼辛苦耕作被政治因素影響但是在還沒有找到替代市場之前是不是能夠不要這麼快的就做這個決定 |
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你看接下來大廚怎麼辦所以我第二個要講的就是說剛剛農業部有說他過去協助過農民我們有曾經這樣的轉型過那因為後來又因為回顧到原來的方式所以現在有一點困難再請農業部能夠精進跟農民互相的 |
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合作跟取得彼此的信任我們往更健全而且是海外多元市場的開發這條道路我相信院長其實也到公民去看國災你知道那一年當天就剩下的水果不簡單那一個世界要成長要種植到收成要三年的時間那個不是說毀就毀掉的所以這個部分還是希望農業部這邊來研議這些方式包括說你們提到那個加工的方式部長我這邊也要反映一下那個 |
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你說要加工補助給加工業者1公斤25塊嘛對不對市價要加工嘛1公斤25塊嘛不曉得你知道現在1公斤市價多少嗎要看A國B國或AB國對你也提到了A國B國C國那你A國的價錢怎麼可能是用25塊這個可能會讓這些業者有這種定貓的效益就是說現在收購價25塊農民說喔我聽我說了農民說喔我賣酒汽我就先賣汽油啦他就把25塊賺在那裡 |
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這個東西我覺得在政策上推動上真的要來做適時的修正包括現在市場的價錢包括部長提到的A國的價錢B國的價錢它本來就不是放在同一個水平上所以柏定這部分還是要補在這裡我們會來努力特別是在加工跟限時的市場分流的部分 |
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那如果完全加工果如果完全用生鮮果去做的話他後面沒有市場所以我們已經在協調加工業者用BB果或B果去收的時候那相對比較不好的果進去冷凍以後削皮去外銷冷凍外銷是可行的這個部分我想可能要讓 |
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第二個部分就是其實中國市場外銷的部分我跟去年相比的話大概是去年的91%但是因為今年的產量比較少特別是去年幾乎每一個世家的農民都有領到天然災害救助每一公斤都有9萬5的部分所以以他們的收入來講我想我們還會努力的去維持它的一個價格 |
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而且我們一起加油剛好部長講到這個天災的部分本席就要再談到第二個就是關於風災的問題那其實院長跟部長都很清楚知道台東就是面對太平洋海景第一排每一次的颱風10顆有8顆我們都低個重所以農損都非常嚴重那部裡面其實也推動在世家保險上去年也推動這個風力保險不過風力保險其實因為台東去年遇到幾個颱風然後因為風力測驗的問題 |
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造成很多的糾紛因為它的測驗點它在不同的地方所以採集到的那個級數是有落差的那本席也召開幾次的這個協調會這邊也是希望這部裡面未來在針對整個農業保險的政策包括整個理賠方式要再重新檢討測的點在哪邊這個都會影響到這保溫也請保證這一點 |
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部長你也知道去年那個風力保險之亂 |
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對因為農民在質疑說你的車你的你的車色點在那個方封令裡面一定都有落差但我覺得還是要找出一個比較能夠讓大家能夠接受的方式因為保險他不是補助保險他不是補助那這部分剛才提到解問題我想要請農業部這邊在兩週內提個報告那接下來我們就先 |
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釋迦的問題到這邊我們講稻米的部分那台東稻米的品質在台灣的品質好不只全國連全球都知道台灣的米的品質是好的那當然除了我們優秀的種植農民種植的技術以外另外就是品牌的行銷也非常的重要不過 |
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今年有農民在給我反映就是我們從民國84年開始推動的這個台灣稻米達人的這個選拔賽中央今年宣布要停辦這個引起很多稻米的反彈 稻農的反彈他說我要怎麼證明我的品質比人家好就是透過比賽嘛因為你有認同這件事 |
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院長有認同嗎?我們很多年前在2004年、2005年左右我們曾經看到那個邱垂昌親龍回到海東去做我們那個時候的陳哲平總統還市民給他叫做一個美國總統美國的總統我想這個對他的這個產值價值應該高很多 |
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這是對大農很大的鼓勵我可能不會賺錢,我可能不會怎樣,但是我很堅定我要拚一切全國第一名這個是對農民的一個鼓勵所以部長這個部分是不是會研議重新再辦理我跟委員說明因為最近我在處理我們農業部所有的這些 |
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有關於比賽的這些獎項我們大概有42項大概花了1億5可是這1億5裡面有將近1億2千萬是在做行政作業我覺得這是不合理的所以我會重新去做調整那我也可以保證說 |
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相關的稻米的達人類似的這樣的一個選拔我們會持續但是不一定是用達人這兩個字我會整合跟相關的稻米的一起來做這樣的話才能夠有讓它有它的特殊性提升台東稻米的品質這個是部長我在委員會質詢你說台東稻米的品質其實才是我們未來要走的方向走精緻走直 |
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指而不是拼量嘛對不對那另外就是還有我們除了內需的市場以外這邊我講我們也要來協助我們的優質的稻米來做外銷那像近期日本因為這個稻米市場出現切口那我們透過608項這個農藥殘留檢驗的標準我們新竹的糊口米就成功的進入日本市場成為熱銷商品我相信如果台東也能夠來這樣輔導甚至全台灣這樣的稻米也應該有機會來外銷 |
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我第一個很高興有這個機會跟委員說明我這次去日本東京食品展我見了非常重要的一個人士然後也提到了一個稻米的合作的模式就是用台灣的稻米結合日本清酒的製造技術 |
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去做成所謂的台灣的日本清酒類似這樣的一個模式那我們也希望說由特別是台東花蓮地區的有機的稻米那他們是很認同的部分包括你剛才講很多藥檢都是合格的部分所以這個部分後續我想我們會有系統來促成這樣子的一個合作 |
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謝謝部長 部長今天的回覆都非常的正面我相信這對稻農來講是很大的鼓勵但是其實稻農最近也很擔心就是說未來關稅的問題外國的低價稻米會不會衝擊他的市場我想關稅的部分稻米完全是沒有去碰觸的我們原來的配額還是配額144,720噸的配額還在那邊不會有任何的改變 |
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謝謝部長正面回應那我們講到這些東西其實還是回到就是一個農業的灌溉系統這個是本席其實常年跟農民這邊接觸他們反應就是說我們台東市每次只要遇到豪雨或是颱風我們的灌溉系統就都會毀損那原因有很多啦當然就是當然水菌的毀損它有因為天然災害但還有一個就是說因為我們傳統都是我們灌溉都是用傳統的土地嘛 |
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就用土體去堆置然後引水進去灌溉可是每到大雨的時候這個土體沖回之後水就進不來這個部分會讓農民很生氣就是我明明看到河裡面就這麼多水可是我田裡面一滴都不夠那像今年遇到更尷尬的是他剛好要插秧了他們很擔心說那個秧苗一直在長大可是田裡面一直沒有水這個會影響到整個稻米的生產的產業 |
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所以這部分是不是請部長能夠再責成我們相關的單位那在針對的整個灌溉系統上能夠來做加強我想也謝謝委員關鍵這個議題其實去年我大概去了台東三四次的過程裡面那也了解到很多因為台東的那個溪流的距離比較衝擊的部分所以他其實缺了兩樣東西一量是郡路的整修不是用土地的部分 |
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第二個是更重要的就是蓄水設施的一個建制所以我已經請我們的農田水利署 針對這兩個就是有系統的去改善這樣的一個進入的設施更重要的是加強更多的這個蓄水石的部件那這樣的話才能夠讓我們的稻米能夠順利的來生產 |
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謝謝部長部長今天都有解決到我們台東農民的這些問題好那接下來我要再談的就是謝謝部長請教我現在邀請我們交通部長上台麻煩請交通部長 |
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就是院長部長其實東部人常年代的一個信念就是有一條安全回家的道路那其中這個花東塊其實等了這幾十年台灣等了幾十年那好不容易我們在在前幾個會期我們也通過了這個主決議然後要來做 |
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安全性的評估那我記得在委員會的時候問過部長是說目前的情況部長回答是說目前看起來效益確實是不足那又說交通部正在努力找出一段可行的方案那現在已經2026年了我去年問的現在2026年了那目前的評估做的情況核定了嗎然後接下來的方案向委員報告目前還在評估當中 |
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交通部目前還在評估當中那確實啦我們過去其實做過幾次的評估它的那個效益一直沒有大於一一直沒有大於一我們目前還在找找看有沒有哪一個路段例如說是它的效益有機會大於一的我們就會優先來做在北部其實也有一些路段的未來的公路的延伸我跟院長跟部長分享我第一次在交通委員會質詢的時候我講了那句話就是說台東人的命要比路還要長 |
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因為其實我們的交通環境它會影響的不只是整個發展包括整個後送那很多東西其實不能夠用經濟效益來衡量特別是人民的部分那特別是立法院通過的主決議也希望政府對人民來負責那本席這邊也要求行政院務必要遵守承諾盡快的進行可行性的評估報告然後加速整個後續的工程那保障我們花東人有一條安全回家的道路 |
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那OK那除了花東塊以外本席也非常注意的就是我們還有另外往南邊就是我們的南迴公路那南迴公路其實不只是台東觀光農產的重要的幹道更是我們南迴居民後送醫療的生命線我們在100年的時候開始進行台九縣南迴公路拓寬改善工程之後但是其實這幾年南迴公路受到天災的侵襲各位可以看到這張照片 |
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這個是大五鄉大鳥道金輪段它只要遇到大雨或是豪雨它就會下陷那這個可以看出來從去年七月到八月影響的情況還有另外就是整個土石流攤方的問題這陸基掏空啦攤方啦所以南圍公路其實它的脆弱性是看得出來的 |
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在我們民國80年的時候其實政府有提出一個國道南橫高速公路的計畫它規劃是從泰馬里穿越北戴河山連結國道3號到台88線讓我們台東到高雄的行車只要縮短1.5個小時當時其實地方為了要了解 |
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民眾的需求也做了一個訪問的統計中研院做了這個電話訪問之後有八成的民眾都支持要興建最後是因為他會穿越北大武山這個保護區所以這個計畫沒有辦法進行我們原本以為這個計畫沒了 |
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在119年1月18號查資料交通部有公布這個施政成果跟未來展望裡面他忽然間提到要規劃南回快速公路那顯然我們交通部在思考之後 審慎思考之後覺得南回採快速公路的可行性是可以的但是很遺憾的經過那一次之後又沒有消息了那本席認為其實我們其實有走過南回公路都知道它一邊連著太平洋 |
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他對海岸對道路的侵蝕是一直不斷在發生那這個部分的路段因為天災因為攤房而中斷所以我想南緯絕對有必要再興建一條快速道路那我想這也是政府當年提出的這些想法那 |
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如果我們南緯快速道路能夠新建成的話不僅連結我們平淡的快速道路讓台東、屏東、高雄可以變成一日生活圈也可以讓台東的物流透過快速公路迅速的往西部發展那台東整個經濟 |
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這個是當時可以看到這是當時興建南圍快速道路的優點促進東部產業發展提供台東地區前天後高階級高品質的公路運輸服務第三個是擴大觀光核心據點影響圈並均衡區域發展第四個是提供快速運補功能完備國防整體的戰略需求 |
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所以這條路是非常多的優點我在這裡也要提醒一下有一句話說路如果通 走到最後才會成功那台東長年以來因為交通的變異造成發展相對是沒有西部那麼好那我們也希望說能夠透過交通改善讓整個台東不只是台東讓南部甚至整個台灣的交通更綿密更變異對我們整個國家發展是有幫助的 |
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那這邊也針對以上的需求請院長也允諾責成我們教務部來推動兩週內提供一份報告跟委員報告不論是從國人的交通的需求或是產業的運輸乃至於觀光的發展 |
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交通建設當然是手中其最重要的一環必須先做事實上除了公路之外我們對鐵道也有相當周延的計畫像交通部就提出全台全國繞台這個整個4個90分鐘的計畫其中就沒有把台東這一段給他放掉我們也有一個鐵道的一個計畫這樣子也可以再考慮到地形地質地貌的 |
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還有工程的難易度如果從鐵道來著手也是一個可以選擇的方式我覺得請交通部無論是鐵道或公路能夠來做一個說明謝謝院長謝謝謝謝部長那另外我要談的就是台東的另外一個產業就是觀光 |
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其實交通跟觀光密不可分我們其實本席也多次向專用表達說希望能促進港澳地區包機直航台東帶動東部的觀光人潮因為我們根據交通部的統計114年度入境旅客人數排名前三名的國家裡面港澳的旅客就是佔的第三名那相較於日韓的遊客港澳旅客其實常常被忽略 |
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其實港澳遊客他其實不單單具有相當的消費能力而且跟我們台灣的地理位置也非常的接近嘛那我在謝謝主委因為我在內政委員會的時候謝謝跟主委聊過這件事情我們是不是可以來促進我們台東跟港澳地區的包機的直航那時候主委也非常正面的肯定這件事情我相信這個是對我們整個發展是有幫助嘛那這邊我想要問一下部長你感冒及期 |
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像花蓮其實也有港澳的包機啦那地方政府他願意來申請我們就會盡量來協助那花蓮有這樣的案例或許台東也可以請地方政府來跟我們這邊來申請讓我們來協助包機的部分讓台東縣政府陸委會跟教育部我們一起來完成這件事情可以嗎我們會站在協助的角度這個沒有問題感謝部長也感謝主委還問你院長 |
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那謝謝兩位接下來我的時間也快沒了我來再請教一下教育部請教育部長備詢 |
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首先我要跟你感謝本市上任以來其實也跟部裡面做了一些陳情像是我們校舍老舊的問題 設施老舊的問題像台中體中游泳池的問題 台東女中操場的問題 |
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不然也要幫我們倒三天都亂寫那上次也提到過包括台東的一些校舍的整建那我們現在看到18號教育部核定了台東高中台東女中的這個校舍漏水的改善經費一千零五十萬五千元我想謝謝部裡面對台東的幫助但是這一點還是不夠因為 |
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所以院長部長相信我們都很常講過一句話就是窮不能窮教育然後苦不能苦孩子那對於台東的這些孩子來說這句話特別有感我自己是偏鄉長大的小孩 |
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那我們台東縣有118所的國中校這裡面有99所是原住民的重點學校那偏遠地區的國中校就有90間那比例高達76%那此外我們台東因為他們我講到的我們在地理的環境紅胎等於都會掉所以因為在風災還有地震的期間下我們校的其實都相對是老舊需要急需的來整建那請問部長這邊是不是願意來協助 |
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我想跟我們報告我想像上一次那個台中領中台中體中事實上我們當看到這個颱風有一些這一個對學校造成傷害消息一出來這個校安系統一通報我們馬上就我馬上就交代這一個國教署署長說要優先來這個協助來改善我想對於我們偏鄉或者這些比較 |
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這個非商會式的一個台東地區這個當然都是我們總統跟院長也都是優先在關照我們這些偏鄉或者這些非商會式的比較這個教育資源相對需要有更多的一些優先來支持我想這當然教育部是責無旁貸另外我們也對偏鄉的這些教師他們 |
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的許多的一些因為長期在任教的過程他暴露在一個相對比較危險的一個環境下因為台風台灣的一個颱風跟地震多所以在山區服務我們也都可以額外的一個這些保險的一個這樣的一個提供我也我想對偏鄉老師的一個任教跟學生的品質都是我們優先這個關照的 |
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謝謝部長 部長剛有提到老師的問題就是接下來本協議要跟反映就是台東縣便利學校比例比較高 所以老師的異動非常頻繁那為了要留住老師 台東縣政府今年再跟教育部還有體育部申請這個改善教師待遇服務的計畫 總共是4,520百萬 |
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那這個就是希望我們讓老師能夠更願意留在台東願意留在這個地方讓他的教學品質可以穩定那這部分是不是請院長你能夠支持我們台東縣提拔的計畫給台東偏鄉學校的學生有更穩定的教學的環境院長 |
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對偏遠地區的教學教育部一直有對各種不同的學校也好或是師製也好都有相對的一些優惠的措施那我覺得這個都是應該因為我們就是講求教育平權讓每個孩子都能夠平等的受教權也讓所有的孩子能夠在一個好的教育環境底下比方說我去年去到綠島吧 |
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風災壞了之後一年他並無法去整修完畢等到第二個颱風來又壞了一次那學生就長期在這個環境底下所以我們以後對整個偏遠地區的這些工程上也應該在核實的強烈因為要請到這麼多的工人去是可能有困難原料材料要去可能有困難再加上學校裡面的行政人員是明顯不夠的這個部分我們都會再檢討 |
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也謝謝院長這樣的言論願意幫台東教育不管是硬體軟體還有私資的方面的協助那也謝謝部長這段時間來對台東的照顧我們也希望部長繼續來協助我們東部的教育環境感謝部長那最後我想要請教經濟部長跟園民會的主委麻煩請經濟部長園民會備選 |
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我想最後這段時間我要代表台東縣的鄉親跟中央來請命其實部長之前在國發會的時候跟我們台東縣的互動非常的多我記得我是那時候擔任台東的鄉長我們地方創生第三個通過也是那時候部長你在擔任主委的時候核定這幾年其實台東縣的勞勤集團跟勤務團隊很努力我們努力的做事情也努力的把錢還掉 |
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那因為良好的因為這樣的情況結果在今年整個財力調整的時候我們被列為跟台北市新竹是同一新竹縣列為同一級齁這個造成未來之後的一些計畫他都會延宕而且院長我感覺這樣是有問題的就是他前陣子的行銷結果因為這樣一變一急所謂補足從此就可能因為斷缺齁 |
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委員講到重點 這就是現在財化法非常不公平的現象沒關係 院長本席把話講完就是說其實本席也跟行政院主席處來討論我們當然知道這個計算方式已經完成但是也要求說我們也把台東的情況也告訴主席處主席處也很協助我們 他把發文給其他的部會他說請各部會自行來判斷是否來放寬這個標準 |
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主席讓我們的大埔是比較正面的那我們確實也是覺得那我們就一個一個來講我記得我在委員會的時候還有跟我們委員會主委聊過這件事情主委你是因為你說接下來不會影響到對不對原鄉的部分都不會影響到對不對 |
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OK 那我現在講的這個我們會擔心的原因就是因為我們現在拚到一個就是臺東的自來水無自來水地區的供水改善計畫的經費就是因為財力等級大家乘一級它是不補助的這可能造成偏鄉地區還有原住民不多的飲水的問題它不自然而用主委 我想問一下有沒有主委主委 那個原子機法第15條是什麼 |
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就是要得設立這個建設基金但是跟委員報告就是說我們所有的在延鄉的這些公共建設不是只有延民會在補助真的是更要感謝更多的這個像經濟部水利署啦有些河川的整治等等主委我講的是精神我提醒院長部長還有主委全台東縣16個鄉鎮有15個鄉鎮是原鄉地區是 |
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我想這個調整已經發生我們現在想是怎麼樣來修復所以我這邊也要請院長還有部長這邊是不是能夠來協助因為飲水是基本的人權問題你不能因為財政情況然後讓他沒辦法補助蘭嶼的鄉親非常的開心因為當第一起出來訓練的時候他們說我感謝這個政府因為我們終於不用再接山水了 |
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好 謝謝黃建復 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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謝謝院長。 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:53.696000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:57.219000+08:00 |
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我們有請行政院長，還有農業部部長上臺。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:58.060000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:58.801000+08:00 |
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麻煩再請卓院長、農業部長備詢。 |
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0.692 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:58.801000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:59.801000+08:00 |
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黃委員好。 |
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0.25 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:58.801000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:58.841000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:58.961000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:18:59.181000+08:00 |
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院長好、部長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:19:14.198000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:19:36.792000+08:00 |
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院長，臺東是臺灣面對太平洋的第一道門面，風景很漂亮，更是全國重要農業的重鎮，但現在臺東的農民面臨著三個壓力，第一個就是外銷卡關，第二個就是天災的衝擊，還有生產成本高漲，農民生計受到嚴峻的考驗跟挑戰。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:19:37.833000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:19:47.680000+08:00 |
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今天本席要特別針對臺東兩項重要經濟命脈的農作物，也就是釋迦跟稻米，向中央反映地方農民長期以來所承受的困境。 |
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0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:19:48.580000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:19:59.147000+08:00 |
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中央在制定政策的時候，應該要更正視這些臺東農民所面對市場的不確定性，還有氣候的風險，我們不能讓第一線的生產者獨自承擔所有的壓力。 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:20:01.729000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:20:33.748000+08:00 |
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首先本席要說的就是我們的經濟作物──釋迦，過去我們釋迦外銷曾經有達到一年破萬噸的規模，近年大幅地銳減，去年更只剩下3,000噸，這樣的落差其實我相信院長跟部長都很清楚知道，因為我們主要整個外銷市場都是以中國大陸為主，也因為兩岸這幾年政治氛圍的關係缺乏溝通機制底下，再加上關稅的種種問題，現在農民要承受這樣的結果。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:20:34.708000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:20:36.309000+08:00 |
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目前我們中央推動農產品海外拓銷獎勵計畫，這是今年嘛！ |
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0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:20:36.429000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:20:56.301000+08:00 |
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部長，今年我們的計畫是要針對往年最大的釋迦海外市場做一些運費補貼，可是我們今年看到中國大陸是完全沒有，這個是不是在告訴農民，我們要放棄中國大陸這個市場？ |
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0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:20:56.461000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:00.723000+08:00 |
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如果是真的要放棄的話，我們配套措施在哪裡？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:00.723000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:04.105000+08:00 |
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是不是要讓農民也知道如果我們不賣中國大陸，我們要賣到哪裡？ |
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0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:05.106000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:25.582000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，其實鳳梨釋迦是標準被中國操縱的一個品項，在110年的時候，他用介殼蟲為由禁止我們輸出以後，那時候農民都跟農業部站在一起，我們努力地去外銷，可是到了112年，他又不透過正式的……部長…… |
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0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:26.043000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:26.163000+08:00 |
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聽我講完。 |
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0.75 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:26.643000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:40.973000+08:00 |
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不透過正式的談判跟協助，又開放了，結果農民本來跟我們配合的，現在又不跟我們配合了，這樣子的一個方式，我想產銷調節一定是政府跟農民站在一起…… |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:41.534000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:48.958000+08:00 |
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部長，其實本席要問的就是這個，這個本席記得是我第一次質詢跟部長討論的，我們就是針對粉介殼蟲的問題嘛，對不對？ |
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0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:21:48.958000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:17.130000+08:00 |
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其實我們都相信我們很努力，這幾年來其實我們也做了很多嘗試，包括新南向，包括冷鏈送到北美，其實我們都做過很多嘗試，可是現實問題就是這一些情況……部長，這個產業要形成不是這麼簡單，你從種植到改良、到市場接受、到找到市場，這一個循環它經過了一、二十年的努力，部長，這是我們臺東現在遇到的狀況，我也要把農民的意見反映給部長聽。了解。 |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:17.610000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:21.992000+08:00 |
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如果今天這個市場真的不適合，我們有沒有其他替代的市場在？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:23.172000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:37.803000+08:00 |
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在還沒有市場之前，我們這個市場要先把它維持住，不然它牽涉的不只是釋迦農，它包括周邊的產業，農藥、肥料這些耗材種種，還有包括靠這個維生的工人，所以部長，這是農民的心聲，本席要來反映給部長聽。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:39.644000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:48.989000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，您記得去年院長到臺東的時候，針對支柱給予協助…… |
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0.741 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:48.989000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:49.989000+08:00 |
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我知道。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:22:49.430000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:01.296000+08:00 |
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那表示其實我們對釋迦農是非常協助的，後續包括我們的外銷、包括我們的加工產品，我們一定會跟釋迦農再一起努力，讓它變成一個多元的市場。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:03.637000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:05.479000+08:00 |
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我們還是要找出路嘛，對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:05.479000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:09.422000+08:00 |
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所以我看到今年你們也推出一個轉作的計畫嘛！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:09.422000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:11.144000+08:00 |
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就轉作1公頃20萬嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:11.144000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:17.490000+08:00 |
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部長，1公頃20萬塊，這連生產成本都不夠，這個誘因怎麼樣讓他來轉作？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:18.190000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:21.293000+08:00 |
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這個是我覺得政策上還要再去考慮的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:22.694000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:45.823000+08:00 |
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另外，我想還是要跟部裡面建議，針對我們整個釋迦出口的問題，還有檢疫的問題，我們中央還是要面對這些問題、要扛起責任，我們地方都願意配合，我們願意來行銷，我們現在好不容易找到一個臺東很引以為傲，而且是很重要的經濟作物，我們希望不要這麼輕易地放棄它…… |
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0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:46.604000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:49.406000+08:00 |
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沒錯，我希望農業部能夠協助我們的農民…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:49.406000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:50.406000+08:00 |
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謝謝院長。 |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:50.207000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:54.690000+08:00 |
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建立更多的海外市場，並不代表我們要放棄任何一個市場……對。 |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:54.690000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:59.353000+08:00 |
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但是我們希望建立的是一個穩定而且沒有政治干涉的產銷秩序…… |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:23:59.473000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:00.554000+08:00 |
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當然我們都期待是這樣，我們也不希望…… |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:02.015000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:11.182000+08:00 |
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往更多元的國際市場去做更多的開發，這是必要的，但是原有的市場，我們如果維持，它是穩定、沒有干擾的，我們當然全力地協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:11.302000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:25.854000+08:00 |
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院長，我們都支持，因為我相信其實雞蛋不能放在同一個籃子裡面，我們也不想要讓這些農民他這麼辛苦耕作，卻被政治因素影響，但是在還沒有找到替代市場之前，是不是能夠不要這麼快地做決定？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-24T15:24:27.255000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:28.877000+08:00 |
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你看接下來盛產要怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-24T15:24:28.877000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:31.639000+08:00 |
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所以我第二個要講的就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-24T15:24:32.340000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:41.849000+08:00 |
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剛剛農業部有說他過去協助過農民，我們曾經有這樣轉型過，後來又因為回復到原來的方式，所以現在有一點困難。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:41.849000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:50.614000+08:00 |
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再請農業部能夠精進跟農民互相合作，及取得彼此的信任，我們往更健全，而且是海外多元市場的開發…… |
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| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:24:51.175000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:12.483000+08:00 |
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院長其實也都跟我們一起堪過災情，我相信你知道一年到頭種這些水果也不簡單，一個釋迦要成長，從種植到收成要3年的時間，不是說毀就毀掉的，所以這部分還是希望農業部研議這些方式，包括你們提到加工的方式，部長，我這邊也要反映一下，你說要補助給加工業者一公斤25塊，對不對？ |
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0.761 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:12.723000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:13.563000+08:00 |
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釋迦要加工，一公斤25塊嘛！ |
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| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:17.524000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:20.665000+08:00 |
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部長，你知道現在一公斤市價多少嗎？ |
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0.8 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:20.665000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-24T15:25:22.245000+08:00 |
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要看A果、B果、AB果。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:22.905000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:27.926000+08:00 |
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對，你也提到了A果、B果、C果，那A果的價錢怎麼可能用25塊？ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:27.926000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:38.008000+08:00 |
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這樣可能會讓這些業者有定錨效應，覺得現在收購價25塊，我聽那些農民說我還沒上市，我就先虧本了，他就把25塊擺在那。 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:39.809000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:51.542000+08:00 |
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這個東西我覺得在政策推動上真的要適時修正，包括現在市場的價錢，包括部長提到的A果價錢、B果價錢，它本來就不是放在同一個水平上，所以部長這部分再請部內好好檢討。 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:25:54.125000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:26:17.741000+08:00 |
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我們會努力，特別是在加工跟鮮食市場分流的部分，如果加工果完全用生鮮果去做的話，後面沒有市場，所以我們已經在協調加工業者用BB果或B果去收的時候，相對比較不好的果進去冷凍以後，削皮後冷凍外銷是可行的，這部分要讓委員知道。 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:26:18.901000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:26:40.156000+08:00 |
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第二個部分，其實中國的市場外銷跟去年相比的話，大概是去年的91%，但是因為今年的產量比較少，特別是去年幾乎每個釋迦農民都有領到天然災害救助，每一公頃都有9萬5,000元，以他們的收入來講，我們還會努力去維持它的價格。 |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:26:41.447000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:26:47.949000+08:00 |
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我們一起加油，剛好部長講到天災的部分，本席就要談到第二個關於風災的問題。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:26:48.109000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:26:57.773000+08:00 |
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其實院長跟部長都很清楚知道，臺東就是面對太平洋海景第一排，每一次的颱風，10顆有8顆我們都第一個中，所以農損都非常嚴重。 |
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0.942 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:26:58.533000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:27:16.683000+08:00 |
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部裡面在釋迦保險上去年推動了風力保險，不過因為臺東去年遇到幾個颱風，風力保險因為風力測驗的問題，造成很多糾紛，因為測驗點在不同的地方，所以採集到的級數是有落差的。 |
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0.907 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:27:17.244000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:27:29.894000+08:00 |
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本席也召開幾次協調會，這邊也是希望部裡面未來針對整個農業保險的政策，包括整個理賠方式要再重新檢討，測的點在哪邊都會影響到結果，這部分也請部長…… |
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0.909 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:27:29.894000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:27:31.455000+08:00 |
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這已經改過了，過去是用鄉鎮的測站，現在是由他的產地最近那支氣象站的資訊為主，這部分我們也跟農民座談過，用這樣的方式是可以被接受的。 |
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0.017 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:27:31.455000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:27:52.728000+08:00 |
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部長，你也知道去年風力保險之亂，對不對？ |
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0.882 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:27:52.728000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:06.696000+08:00 |
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因為農民在質疑說你的測設點在防風林裡面，一定都有落差，但我覺得還是要找出一個比較能夠讓大家接受的方式，因為保險不是補助。 |
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0.911 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:10.398000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:13.700000+08:00 |
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剛才提到幾個問題，我想請農業部兩週內提個報告。 |
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0.905 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:14.920000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:26.651000+08:00 |
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接下來，釋迦的問題就到這邊，我們講稻米的部分，臺東稻米的品質好，不只全國知道，連全球都知道，臺灣米的品質是好的。 |
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0.939 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:28.332000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:47.147000+08:00 |
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當然，除了我們優秀農民種植的技術以外，品牌的行銷也非常重要，不過今年有農民跟我反映，我們從民國84年開始推動的臺灣稻米達人選拔賽，中央今年宣布要停辦，引起很多稻農的反彈。 |
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0.987 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:47.147000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:49.509000+08:00 |
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他說我要怎麼證明我的品質比人家好？ |
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1 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:50.130000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:51.010000+08:00 |
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就是透過比賽。 |
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1 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:53.392000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:54.853000+08:00 |
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院長，你認同嗎？ |
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0.833 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:28:55.113000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:29:09.439000+08:00 |
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很多年前，大概在2004年、2005年左右，我們曾經看到邱垂昌青農回到臺東去做，那時候陳水扁總統還賜名給他叫做「米國總統」，我想這對他的價值應該會提高很多。 |
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0.806 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:29:14.221000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:29:27.152000+08:00 |
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這是對稻農很大的鼓勵，我可能不會讀書，但是我很會種稻子，我的品質拿全國第一名，這是對農民的鼓勵，所以部長這部分是不是會研議重新辦理？ |
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0.817 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:29:27.472000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:29:45.480000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，因為最近我在處理農業部所有這些關於比賽的獎項，我們大概有42項，大概花了1億5,000萬，可是在1億5,000萬裡面將近1億2,000萬是在做行政作業，我覺得這是不合理的，所以我會重新去調整。調整。 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:29:45.741000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:02.433000+08:00 |
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我也可以保證，類似稻米達人這樣的選拔，我們會持續，但是不一定是用「達人」這兩個字，我會整合跟稻米相關的一起來做，這樣才能夠有它的特殊性。 |
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0.933 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:02.593000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:04.335000+08:00 |
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可以提升臺東稻米的品質。對。 |
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0.75 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:04.935000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:13.422000+08:00 |
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部長，我在委員會質詢你時，提到臺東稻米的品質才是我們未來要走的方向，也就是走精緻、走品質，而不是拼量，對吧？ |
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0.809 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:14.783000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:35.537000+08:00 |
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另外，我們除了內需的市場以外，我想我們也要來協助我們的優質稻米做外銷，像近期因為日本稻米市場出現缺口，我們透過608項農藥殘留檢驗標準，讓新竹湖口米成功進入日本市場且成為熱銷商品。 |
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0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:36.017000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:40.360000+08:00 |
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我相信如果臺東也能夠這樣輔導，甚至全臺灣這樣的稻米也應該有機會外銷。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:30:42.501000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:10.623000+08:00 |
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我很高興有這次機會跟委員說明，我這次去日本東京食品展見了非常重要的一位人士，也提到稻米合作的模式，就是用臺灣的稻米結合日本清酒的製造技術，做成所謂臺灣的日本清酒，類似這樣的模式，我們也希望特別是用臺東及花蓮地區的有機稻米。 |
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0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:11.544000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:19.690000+08:00 |
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他們很認同的部分，包括你剛才提到很多藥檢都是合格，所以針對這個部分，我們後續會有系統促成這樣的合作模式。 |
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0.833 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:20.430000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:20.690000+08:00 |
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謝謝部長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:20.690000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:24.872000+08:00 |
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部長今天的回復都非常的正面，我相信這對稻農來講是很大的鼓勵。 |
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0.964 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:24.872000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:31.335000+08:00 |
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但是稻農最近也很擔心未來關稅問題，外國低價稻米會不會衝擊到他們的市場？ |
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0.939 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:32.136000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:39.079000+08:00 |
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有關關稅的部分，稻米完全是沒有去碰觸的，我們原來的配額還是一樣，14萬4,720噸的配額還在那邊……謝謝。 |
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0.805 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:39.079000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-24T15:31:39.939000+08:00 |
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不會有任何的改變。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-24T15:31:45.842000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-24T15:31:47.482000+08:00 |
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謝謝部長正面回應。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:31:48.563000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:32:05.586000+08:00 |
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我們講到這些東西還是要回到農業的灌溉系統，本席長年跟農民接觸後，他們反映臺東只要每次遇到豪雨或是颱風，我們的灌溉系統都會毀損，原因有很多啦！ |
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0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:32:05.846000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-24T15:32:26.478000+08:00 |
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當然水圳的毀損也是因為天然災害，但還有一個是因為我們灌溉都是用傳統的土堤，就是用土堤堆置來引水進去灌溉，可是每到大雨的時候，這個土堤沖毀後，水就進不來，這個部分會讓農民很生氣的是：我明明看到河裡有這麼多水，可是我田裡面一滴都不夠。 |
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0.896 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:32:26.578000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:32:50.234000+08:00 |
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像今年遇到更尷尬的是他們剛好要插秧了，很擔心那個秧苗一直在長大，可是田裡一直沒有水，這會影響到整個稻米生產的產業，我「發稻仔」的，我也沒辦法出；我「種稻仔」的，時間也拖到，所以這部分是不是請部長能夠再責成你們相關單位，針對整個灌溉系統上能夠來加強？ |
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0.791 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:32:51.095000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:32:52.656000+08:00 |
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也謝謝委員關切這個議題。 |
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0.909 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-24T15:32:52.656000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:27.148000+08:00 |
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其實去年我大概去了臺東3、4次的過程裡也了解到很多，因為臺東的溪流距離比較衝擊的部分，所以它其實缺了兩樣東西，第一個是圳路的整修，不是用土堤的部分；第二個更重要的是蓄水設施的建置，所以我已經請我們的農田水利署針對這兩個，能有系統的改善圳路設施，更重要是加強更多蓄水池的布建，這樣才能夠讓我們的稻米順利生產。 |
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0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:29.971000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:30.371000+08:00 |
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謝謝部長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:30.371000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:34.955000+08:00 |
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部長今天都有解決到我們臺東農民的這些問題，謝謝部長，您請坐。 |
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0.741 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:35.296000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-24T15:33:41.702000+08:00 |
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接下來我要邀請交通部長上臺。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-24T15:33:42.943000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:43.223000+08:00 |
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請交通部部長備詢。 |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:43.223000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:49.465000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
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2026-03-24T15:33:49.465000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-24T15:33:55.707000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-24T15:33:55.707000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:34:16.405000+08:00 |
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院長、部長，其實東部人長年來的一個心願是要有一條安全回家的道路，其中這條花東快，臺東等了幾十年，我們好不容易在前幾個會期也通過了主決議，要來做安全性的評估。 |
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0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:34:17.666000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-24T15:34:31.297000+08:00 |
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我記得在委員會的時候，我就目前安全評估的情況問過部長，部長回答說目前看起來效益確實是不足；又說，交通部正在努力找出一段可行的方案。 |
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0.817 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:34:33.559000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-24T15:34:37.843000+08:00 |
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我去年問的，現在已經2026年了，目前評估的作業情況是核定了嗎？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-24T15:34:38.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-24T15:34:38.784000+08:00 |
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接下來的方案是如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-24T15:34:40.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-24T15:34:45.024000+08:00 |
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向委員報告，交通部目前還在評估當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-24T15:34:46.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-24T15:34:51.467000+08:00 |
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確實我們過去其實做過幾次評估，它的效益一直沒有大於一…… |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-24T15:34:51.467000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T15:34:53.368000+08:00 |
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部長，本席在…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
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2026-03-24T15:34:53.368000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:34:59.851000+08:00 |
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我們目前還在找找看有沒有哪一個路段，例如它的效益有機會大於一的，我們就會優先來做。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:01.011000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-24T15:35:04.492000+08:00 |
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在北部其實也有一些路段未來公路的延伸，也是這樣子思考。 |
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0.72 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:05.033000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:19.760000+08:00 |
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我跟院長、部長分享我第一次在交通委員會質詢的時候講的那句話，就是「臺東人的命要比路還要長」，因為其實我們的交通環境，它會影響的不只是整體發展，包括整個後送。 |
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0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:20.560000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:29.325000+08:00 |
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很多東西其實不能夠用經濟效益來衡量，特別是人命的部分，特別是立法院通過的主決議，也希望政府對人民負責。 |
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0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:29.485000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:40.391000+08:00 |
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本席這邊也要求行政院務必遵守承諾，儘快地進行可行性評估報告，加速整個後續的工程，保障我們花東人有一條安全回家的道路。 |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-24T15:35:41.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-24T15:35:48.314000+08:00 |
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OK，除了花東快以外，本席也非常注意的是往南邊的南迴公路。 |
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0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:49.594000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:57.137000+08:00 |
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南迴公路其實不只是臺東觀光、農產的重要幹道，更是我們南迴居民後送醫療的生命線。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:35:57.357000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:36:19.605000+08:00 |
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在100年開始進行台9線南迴公路拓寬改善工程，但是這幾年南迴公路受到天災的侵襲，各位可以看到這張照片，這個是大武鄉大鳥到金崙段，它只要遇到大雨或豪雨就會下陷，這個可以看出來從去年7月到8月影響的情況。 |
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0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:36:19.605000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:36:27.707000+08:00 |
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還有就是土石流及坍方的問題，包括路基掏空、坍方，所以南迴公路的脆弱性是看得出來的。 |
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0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:36:29.547000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:36:44.802000+08:00 |
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在民國80年的時候，政府有提出一個國道南橫高速公路的計畫，它規劃從太麻里穿越北大武山，連結國道3號到台88線，臺東到高雄的行車縮短只要1.5個小時。 |
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0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:36:44.802000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:36:59.910000+08:00 |
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當時地方為了了解民眾的需求，也做了一個訪問的統計，中研院做了電話訪問之後，有八成的民眾都支持要興建，最後因為它會穿越北大武山這個保育區，所以計畫沒有辦法進行。 |
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0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:37:01.111000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:37:13.440000+08:00 |
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我們原本以為這個計畫沒了，但在110年1月18日查資料時，發現交通部公布施政成果跟未來展望裡面，忽然間提到要規劃南迴快速公路。 |
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0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:37:14.481000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:37:24.768000+08:00 |
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顯然交通部在審慎思考之後，覺得南迴採快速公路的可行性是可以的，但是很遺憾的，經過那一次之後，又沒有消息了。 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:37:27.210000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:37:42.463000+08:00 |
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其實有走過南迴公路的都知道，它一邊沿著太平洋，它對海岸、對道路的侵蝕是一直不斷在發生，這個部分的路段因為天災、因為坍方而中斷，所以我想南迴絕對有必要再興建一條快速道路。 |
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| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-03-24T15:37:43.383000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:38:01.327000+08:00 |
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這是政府當年提出的想法，如果南迴快速道路能夠興建完成的話，不僅連結屏南的快速道路，讓臺東、屏東、高雄可以變成一日生活圈，也可以讓臺東的物流透過快速公路，迅速往西部發展，帶動整個經濟。 |
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0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:38:07.251000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:38:23.877000+08:00 |
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促進東部產業發展；提供臺東地區全天候、快捷且高品質的公路運輸服務；第三個是擴大觀光核心據點影響圈並均衡區域發展；第四個是提供快速運補功能，完備國防整體戰略需求。 |
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0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-03-24T15:38:24.477000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:38:32.041000+08:00 |
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所以這條路有非常多的優點，我在這裡也要提醒，有句話說「路若通，子孫才會成功」。 |
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| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:38:32.821000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-03-24T15:38:51.811000+08:00 |
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臺東長年以來因為交通的不便利，造成發展相對沒有西部那麼好，我們也希望能夠透過交通改善，讓整個臺東，不只是臺東，讓南部，甚至整個臺灣的交通更綿密、更便利，對我們整個國家發展是有幫助的。 |
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| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:38:55.615000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:02.200000+08:00 |
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針對以上的需求，請院長允諾責成交通部來推動，兩週內提供一份報告。 |
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0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:04.222000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:14.942000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，不論是從國人的交通需求，或是產業的運輸，乃至於觀光的發展，交通建設當然是首重及最重要的一環，必須先做。 |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:15.642000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:29.528000+08:00 |
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事實上，除了公路之外，我們對鐵道也有相當周延的計畫，像交通部就提出全國繞臺4個90分鐘的計畫，其中就沒有把臺東這一段放掉。 |
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| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:30.088000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:40.495000+08:00 |
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我們也有一個鐵道的計畫，這樣子也可以考慮到地形、地質、地貌及工程的難易度，如果從鐵道來著手，也是一個可以選擇的方式。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:40.936000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:43.878000+08:00 |
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我覺得請交通部，無論是鐵道或公路，能夠來做說明。 |
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| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:44.999000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:46.461000+08:00 |
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謝謝院長，也謝謝部長。 |
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| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:46.721000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:49.303000+08:00 |
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另外我要談的是臺東的另外一個產業，就是觀光。 |
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| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:39:52.218000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:01.582000+08:00 |
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其實交通跟觀光密不可分，本席也多次向交通部表達，希望能促進港澳地區包機直航臺東，帶動東部的觀光人潮。 |
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0.935 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:02.142000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:10.905000+08:00 |
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因為根據交通部的統計，114年度入境旅客人數排名前三名的國家裡面，港澳旅客就是第三名。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:11.645000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:22.851000+08:00 |
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相較於日韓的遊客，港澳旅客其實常常被忽略，港澳遊客其實不單單具有相當的消費能力，而且跟我們臺灣的地理位置也非常的接近。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:27.434000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:34.838000+08:00 |
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謝謝主委，因為我在內政委員會跟主委聊過這件事情，就是我們是不是可以促進臺東跟港澳地區包機直航？ |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:35.318000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:40.562000+08:00 |
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那時候主委也非常正面地肯定這件事情，我相信這個對於我們整個發展是有幫助嘛！ |
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0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-03-24T15:40:41.522000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:43.323000+08:00 |
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這邊我想要問一下部長，你有支持嗎？ |
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0.733 |
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陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-03-24T15:40:45.864000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:52.910000+08:00 |
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我先報告，像花蓮其實也有港澳的包機，地方政府願意來申請，我們就會儘量來協助。 |
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0.853 |
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陳部長世凱 |
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2026-03-24T15:40:54.191000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:00.536000+08:00 |
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花蓮有這樣的案例，或許臺東也可以，請地方政府來跟我們申請，我們來協助包機的部分，會…… |
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0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-03-24T15:41:01.037000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:07.362000+08:00 |
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讓臺東縣政府、陸委會跟交通部，我們一起來完成這件事情，可以嗎？ |
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0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-03-24T15:41:07.362000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:09.644000+08:00 |
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我們會站在協助的角度，這個沒有問題。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-03-24T15:41:09.644000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:12.286000+08:00 |
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感謝部長，也感謝主委、院長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:12.286000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:15.166000+08:00 |
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我們會努力。 |
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0 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:15.166000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:15.166000+08:00 |
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謝謝兩位。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:15.587000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:18.415000+08:00 |
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接下來我的時間也快沒了，我再請教一下教育部。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:19.980000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:20.261000+08:00 |
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麻煩請教育部部長備詢。 |
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0.7 |
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鄭部長英耀 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-03-24T15:41:20.261000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:29.724500+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:29.724500+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:39.188000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:39.188000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:56.712000+08:00 |
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首先我要感謝你，本席上任以來，其實也跟部裡面做了一些陳情，像是我們校舍老舊的問題、設施老舊的問題，像臺東高中游泳池的問題、臺東女中操場的問題，部長也很幫忙，都完成了。 |
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0.851 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:41:58.353000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:42:15.722000+08:00 |
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上次也提到過包括臺東一些校舍的整建，我們現在看到18日教育部核定了臺東高中、臺東女中的校舍漏水改善經費1,050萬5,000元，謝謝部裡面對臺東的幫助，但是這一點還是不夠。 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:42:21.165000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:42:23.686000+08:00 |
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窮不能窮教育，苦不能苦孩子！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:42:24.426000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:42:41.790000+08:00 |
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對於臺東的這些孩子來說，這句話特別有感，我自己是偏鄉長大的小孩，臺東縣有118所國中小，這裡面有99所是原住民的重點學校，那偏遠地區的國中小就有90間，比例高達76%。 |
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0.971 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:42:41.990000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:42:54.754000+08:00 |
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此外，我們臺東因為剛剛說到的地理環境，每年都會有颱風，所以在風災還有地震的情形下，我們校舍其實都是相對老舊且急需整建，請問部長這邊是不是願意來協助？ |
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0.809 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
鄭部長英耀 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-03-24T15:42:58.702000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:43:18.597000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，像上一次臺東女中、臺東體中，事實上當我們看到颱風對學校造成傷害，消息一出來，校園系統一通報，我就馬上交代國教署署長要優先來協助改善。 |
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0.877 |
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鄭部長英耀 |
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2026-03-24T15:43:18.777000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:43:45.007000+08:00 |
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我想對於我們偏鄉或者這些比較非山非市、臺東地區，當然都是我們……總統跟院長也是優先關照這些偏鄉或者這些非山非市地區，教育資源相對需要有更多的優先來支持，當然我們教育部責無旁貸。 |
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0.877 |
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鄭部長英耀 |
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2026-03-24T15:43:45.007000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:44:11.657000+08:00 |
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另外，我們也對偏鄉的這些教師，他們許多的一些……因為在長期任教的過程，他暴露在一個相對比較危險的環境下……因為臺灣的颱風跟地震多，在山區服務我們也都提供額外的保險，我想對偏鄉老師的任教跟學生的品質，都是我們優先關照的。 |
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0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-03-24T15:44:13.658000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:44:29.382000+08:00 |
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謝謝部長，部長剛剛有提到老師的問題，接下來本席也要反映，臺東縣偏鄉學校比例比較高，所以老師的異動非常頻繁，為了要留住老師，臺東縣政府今年跟教育部還有體育部申請改善教師待遇服務的計畫，總共是8億4,528萬。 |
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0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-03-24T15:44:32.743000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:44:39.508000+08:00 |
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這個就是希望讓老師能夠更願意留在臺東，願意留在這個地方，讓他的教學品質可以穩定。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-03-24T15:44:40.469000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T15:44:48.896000+08:00 |
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這部分是不是請院長也能夠支持我們臺東縣提報的計畫，給臺東偏鄉學校學生有更穩定的教學環境，院長？ |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-03-24T15:44:50.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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2026-03-24T15:45:10.266000+08:00 |
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對偏遠地區教學，教育部一直對各種不同的學校或師資都有相對的優惠措施，我覺得這些都是應該的，因為我們講究的就是教育平權，讓每個孩子都能夠有平等的受教權，也讓所有的孩子能在好的教育環境底下受教。 |
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0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-03-24T15:45:10.826000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-03-24T15:45:22.621000+08:00 |
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比方說我去年到綠島，發現學校在風災之後壞了一年仍無法整修完畢，等到第二個颱風來又壞了一次，以致學生就長期在這樣環境底下上課。 |
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0.776 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-03-24T15:45:23.001000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-03-24T15:45:40.048000+08:00 |
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所以我們對整個偏遠地區的工程也應該覈實詳列，畢竟要請到這麼多的工人過去可能是有困難的，而原料、材料要過去也可能有困難，再加上學校裡的行政人員明顯不夠，這些我們都會再檢討。 |
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0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-03-24T15:45:41.048000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-03-24T15:45:45.750000+08:00 |
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謝謝院長這樣的允諾，願意幫臺東教育，不管是從硬體、軟體及師資等各方面的協助。 |
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0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-03-24T15:45:46.751000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-03-24T15:45:56.355000+08:00 |
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也謝謝部長這段時間以來對臺東的照顧，我們也希望部長能繼續協助我們改善東部的教育環境，感謝部長。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-03-24T15:45:56.515000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-03-24T15:45:59.737000+08:00 |
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最後我請教經濟部長與原民會主委。 |
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0.867 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-24T15:46:00.317000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-03-24T15:46:00.617000+08:00 |
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麻煩請經濟部長與原民會主委備詢。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-03-24T15:46:06.958000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-03-24T15:46:10.381000+08:00 |
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最後一點時間我要代表臺東縣鄉親向中央請命。 |
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0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-03-24T15:46:13.484000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-03-24T15:46:25.733000+08:00 |
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其實部長之前在國發會時與臺東縣的互動非常多，我記得我那時候擔任臺東縣鄉長，我們的地方創生是第三個通過的，那時候正是部長擔任主委所核定的。 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:46:26.994000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-03-24T15:46:33.099000+08:00 |
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這幾年臺東縣府團隊很努力，我們努力做事情，努力把錢還掉！ |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-03-24T15:46:35.880000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-03-24T15:46:49.044000+08:00 |
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但卻因為這樣的情況，導致今年中央做財力調整時，把我們與臺北市、新竹縣列為同一級，造成未來一些計畫延宕！ |
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0.804 |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:46:50.984000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-03-24T15:46:52.885000+08:00 |
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院長，我覺得這樣是有問題的！ |
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黃委員建賓 |
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2026-03-24T15:46:52.885000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-03-24T15:47:01.597000+08:00 |
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因為我們是認真在還債，卻因此變成一級，以致有的補助可能從此中斷！ |
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0.241 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-03-24T15:47:01.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-03-24T15:47:04.798000+08:00 |
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委員講到重點了，這就是現在財劃法不公平的現象…… |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-03-24T15:47:04.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-03-24T15:47:07.218000+08:00 |
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沒關係，院長，先讓本席把話講完。 |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-03-24T15:47:08.158000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-03-24T15:47:24.542000+08:00 |
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其實本席跟行政院主計總處討論過，我們當然知道計算方式已經完成，也把臺東的情況告訴主計總處，主計總處也願意協助我們，並發文給其他部會說，請各部會自行判斷是否放寬標準。 |
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0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-03-24T15:47:25.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-03-24T15:47:31.669000+08:00 |
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主計總處給我們的答復是很正面的，我們也確實覺得就一個一個講。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-03-24T15:47:31.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
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2026-03-24T15:47:39.719000+08:00 |
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我記得我在委員會有跟原民會主委聊過這件事情，主委說接下來有關原鄉的部分都不會影響到，對不對？ |
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0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-03-24T15:47:41.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-03-24T15:47:58.752000+08:00 |
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OK，現在我們擔心的原因在於，我們遇到臺東無自來水地區的供水改善計畫經費問題，因為財力等級拉到一級，所以就沒有補助，而這可能造成偏鄉地區及原住民部落的飲水問題，甚至無水可用！ |
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0.738 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-03-24T15:47:59.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-03-24T15:48:03.614000+08:00 |
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我想請問原民會主委，原基法第十五條是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.474 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-03-24T15:48:07.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-03-24T15:48:09.127000+08:00 |
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得設立建設基金。 |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-03-24T15:48:09.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-03-24T15:48:22.393000+08:00 |
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但是跟委員報告，所有的原鄉公共建設不是只有原民會在補助，更要感謝經濟部水利署，有些河川的整治…… |
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0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-03-24T15:48:22.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-03-24T15:48:24.134000+08:00 |
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主委，我講的是精神，我講的是精神。 |
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0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-03-24T15:48:25.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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2026-03-24T15:48:28.315000+08:00 |
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我要提醒院長、部長及主委，全臺東縣有十六個鄉鎮，其中十五個鄉鎮是原鄉地區。是。 |
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0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-03-24T15:48:36.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-03-24T15:48:38.847000+08:00 |
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既然調整已經發生，所以我們應該想的，是怎麼樣來修復？ |
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0.696 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-03-24T15:48:38.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-03-24T15:48:43.649000+08:00 |
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所以我在這邊也要請院長及部長是不是能夠協助？ |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-03-24T15:48:43.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-03-24T15:48:47.411000+08:00 |
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尤其自來水計畫是不是可以幫忙？ |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-03-24T15:48:47.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-03-24T15:48:52.392000+08:00 |
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飲水是基本人權，不能因為財政情況就說沒辦法補助！ |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-03-24T15:48:53.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-03-24T15:49:01.276000+08:00 |
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蘭嶼鄉親原本非常開心，因為當第一期計畫做下去時他們說感謝政府，因為終於不用再接山泉水了！ |
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0.78 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:01.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-03-24T15:49:07.204571+08:00 |
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第一期都已經做了，結果現在把後面計畫擋掉？ |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:07.504571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-03-24T15:49:10.647429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
這會對民眾生活造成影響！ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:10.947429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-03-24T15:49:14.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
所以院長，這是不是能幫我們？ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:14.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-03-24T15:49:19.247429+08:00 |
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依照現行財劃法規劃，它就是這樣分級。 |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:19.547429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-03-24T15:49:21.833143+08:00 |
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院長，已經發生的事…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
卓院長榮泰：現在有兩個方式 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:22.133143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-03-24T15:49:34.133143+08:00 |
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一個是特案處理，但那會失去公平性；另一個方式就是把財劃法改得更合理，這樣大家都可以解決問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:34.433143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-03-24T15:49:38.433143+08:00 |
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謝謝院長，我們一件一件來處理。好。 |
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0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
黃委員建賓 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:38.733143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-03-24T15:49:43.018857+08:00 |
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也麻煩院長、部長及主委協助臺東縣。 |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:43.318857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-24T15:49:45.890286+08:00 |
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好的，我們協助來處理。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:46.190286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-24T15:49:53.333143+08:00 |
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謝謝黃建賓委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、各相關部會首長備詢。謝謝。 |
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0.16 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-03-24T15:49:53.633143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-24T15:49:59.918857+08:00 |
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接下來是本日最後一位質詢委員，請張雅琳委員質詢。 |
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0 |