| IVOD_ID |
167813 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167813 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-24T14:30:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-24T15:01:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e45a85cfecfeae9289f85ded77ce7a1e909f2e94215b2814abcb3f8042274892a70d2b13d237a2c95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:48 - 15:01:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「對本院內政委員會召集委員李柏毅115年3月16日主持會議時之行為提出最嚴厲之譴責，並將李柏毅委員移送紀律委員會。嚴正要求民進黨政府：停止踐踏中華民國的民主與法治，停止對陸配與新住民的歧視、打壓與追殺。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月20日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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院长我想请卓院长请卓院长备选参会员好 |
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院長近期美伊戰爭局勢惡化引發全球高度關注那更直接引爆了能源供應與價格的雙重危機能源穩定已經是國家生存的命脈我們看到鄰國包括韓國他政府已經開始要求所有的公務機關車輛現行五輛制五步制強制限縮 |
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公務用車還有能源消耗以日本為例日本政府已經啟動原油儲備包括透過調節庫存來穩定國內市場的供需院長我們的鄰居都已經進入暫時或者是緊急應變狀態我們呢 |
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從今天開始我們也要求從我本身做起我們所有對外的車輛出入的時候要盡量的精簡那我們已經開始在做了所以我們也跟上就是要讓公務機關開始節約能源然後限制這個公務用車的部分嗎開源節流都同時並行我們才能夠面對這一次中東情勢還不可預知的一些發展 |
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沒錯就是我想要講的就是真的是不可預知因為這是一個我們不曉得說他要打多久的戰爭所以我在這裡提醒院長還有部長就是說我們一定要更具體的措施那我覺得說如果以公務機關開始帶頭就像院長講的開源節流我覺得是一個非常具體的這個以身作則那其他方面有沒有更實際的這個作為呢 |
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報告委員節流的部分剛剛院長已經說明了那開源的部分我們就盡量來做那我們現在規定的這個就是油氣的部分油的部分那個規定是90天就是儲存量但是現在都超過這個數字而且超過50%以上非常多所以你的意思是說我們從現在到可能5月對 |
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都沒有問題?基本上都不會用到備用的因為我們現在的備用我們從當時二二八發生到現在我們的備用不僅沒有減少反而增加所以我們到目前大概就是超過150天有想過說如果這個戰爭 |
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持續超過150天,我們有什麼樣的因應措施嗎?因為那個150天會一直存在所以我們會不斷的新增,讓這150天一直都存在當時剛剛委員跟院長提到的節流的部分,我們也來做一些鼓勵所以院長跟部長是有信心要讓我們的民眾要安心說這個用油的部分呢應該是不需要擔心,包括天然氣 |
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天然氣的部分我們現在在五月份大概都已經調度完成基本上那六月份現在開始再做一些調度大概也差不多一半已經調度到一半就是我們天然氣跟油的安全存量到目前我們都會把它滿載就油的部分安全存量90天現在我們保持150天就是150天會一直存在我們會用新購買的油來使用天然氣也是一樣我們是11天現在也會保持這個安全存量但無論怎麼樣 |
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鼓勵人民跟所有政府機關帶頭先行節流這是平常都應該做的事情我也希望說我們要保持警戒心保持緊張的心情看待這件事情因為看起來好像是不會這麼快結束也不希望是一個長期抗爭無限戰希望我們行政院跟經濟部可以做好準備讓我們的一般民眾可以安心的對待這件事情 |
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非常謝謝委員的提醒這個工作我們會列為首要再來跟所有部會來做更多的要求 |
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感謝院長這個非常感謝院長也很感謝部長有這樣子一個具體的數字讓我們全國人民可以知道然後可以安心那院長我接下來要問你有關於農業部的事情那我想院長可能非常清楚也非常的關心農民那大蒜的這個穩價措施明定從本週一23號開始收購那宣稱 |
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收購價是要在28塊以上但是現在基層是罵聲一片民眾都直接打電話到處去陳情說市面上的收購價根本沒有這麼高甚至遠低於這個價格您有聽說嗎 |
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我跟瑋瑜說明我們原來掌握的是大蒜的生產面積今年又比較多5547公斤比原來預計的計畫中多了200多公斤多了500公斤 |
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我這裡數字是5300多了200 總是有比較多希望這個價格也能夠穩定下來目前大蒜除了產量的問題之外還有一些其他農作上面的狀況所以請問農業部正在就蒜農最大的利益來做思考是不是請部長來說說明 |
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我跟委員說明我們在處理大村的時候我們是透過一些一般的盤商或是收購的時候收購的時候如果他用28塊收購的話我們再啟動一些補助用這種方式去穩定我們農民的價錢現在目前雖然說5500多公頃 |
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但是因為今年的一些病害的關係導致它也適度的減產所以相對的它產量以五年平均來看還是差不多那有一個非常重要的就是因為從去年的十一二月到今年的三月有一些大蒜的進口那這個進口的量其實我們在監控的時候它是跟往常的量是一樣的 |
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但是因為去年的價格是比較好今年農民多種所以我們用28塊去做這樣子一個確保農民收益是適當的我想部長也很專業然後也很關心農民這個我都肯定但是我必須要提醒 |
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我想要院長知道一下我們地方的真相我幾樣提醒然後是不是請院長責成農業部盡快的去落實然後去關心為什麼收購價會沒有辦法在28塊以上呢 |
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因為農業部發給收購單位的公文裡面開了一個大後門寫著正常品規且價格由雙方依品質議定所以今年因為氣候變遷導致的這個葉蠻病害大蒜普遍它結球就偏小這個部長應該非常的清楚 |
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這個農業部這一紙公文等於讓盤商名正言順的以品質不佳來大肆砍價那院長農民甚至很激動的甚至很不開心的 |
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來問說新聞都說新聞都說了政府要收28塊為什麼我們賣不到呢是不是政府在騙我們啊他說是政府在騙我們那當然農民會有很激動的這種想法 |
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包括說這一次的第一階段總收購量是800萬台金總目標的收購量是1000萬台金這個是在公文裡面寫的那等於每0.1公頃的收購上限是 |
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2800台金那這代表什麼呢代表說這一項政策就算發揮到極致最多也能覆蓋357公頃那根據農業部最新的調查今年光雲林縣佔大眾的大蒜面積就高達了5252公頃 |
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那等於是說這個收購的總量連雲林的總面積十分之一都不到耶那它能夠產生什麼樣的效果這不就像抽抽樂一樣嘛 抽獎嘛就是有一些農民抽得到有一些農民抽不到那這樣子綜樂透視的一個補助辦法到底真的能夠幫到農民嗎而且資源這麼少之外 |
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誰能夠加入評選是由特定的策略聯盟來評選誰能夠加入收購那現在基層的農民也許他沒有受過很高的教育但他也覺得這不合理啊他們強烈的質疑說是不是只有特定對象才賣得掉那這種抽垃圾式的是不是黑箱是不是有什麼特殊的考量院長你覺得這樣公平嗎 |
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全國雲林是最大的一個大蒜的生產地雲林的大蒜產業策略聯盟也是一個健全的組織我希望農業部一定要跟這些農企以及農民團體在溝通的過程當中能夠依照我們設定的目標盡最大的能量去處理能夠收購的面積應該要衡量到農民實際上生產的 |
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只有十分之一耶我稍微跟委員解釋一下我想委員也非常清楚第一個就是我們政府單位不可能全數去收農民所種的所有的大蒜這第一個所以從過去的經驗就是如果說我從市場抽離十分之一就是說它可以回到市場機制所以我們希望就是九年來我們再度的啟動這種所謂的協助的方式回歸九年嘛對所以我才會說我們用 |
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適當的力道去引導那個價格的提升那它中間會有黑箱嗎會有圖利特定的廠商嗎我跟你保證絕對不會有另外那個品質的部分如果有任何案例我可以直接提供給部長可以 絕對可以我已經在他的要求也交代 |
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在不同的鄉鎮包括赤鴻、園長、東勢、水林主要的雲林產區我都希望能夠普遍性的去收購我再提醒幾件事情然後再請院長跟部長一起回答好不好 |
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我現在覺得比較不合理的是政府農業部明明有編列美台金3元的處理費的補助但這美台金3元的處理費是在這28元之外喔不是補助農民是補助盤商 |
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現在農民質疑的就是說受傷害的是我們為什麼政府想要照顧的是盤商呢我就現在想要問啊過去其實曾經農委會也有過案例不管他們成交價多少依品項下去有一些成交比較高有一些成交比較低他就每台金補助兩塊五塊不一定 |
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那這個案例就覺得比較合理嘛你是這個錢是直接給農民拿到喔但是我現在不理解的是除了把28塊給這些特定的盤商之外還把3塊錢再給盤商那這樣子的話我就想要問一下那個卓院長您是支持盤商還是支持農民呢 |
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盤商應該要幫助農民跟政府一起來幫助農民這才是穩定他的農作的來源也還有一個好的管道這是一個理想所以我的意思是說難道這三塊你不能直接給農民嗎你如果直接給農民的話我大概跟委員講委員就會清楚 |
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就是這些盤商去收了以後收了以後如果馬上倒進市場那相對的那個價格是越到越低所以我們希望說這些收購的這些大蒜能夠在延後再釋出那延後過程裡面的這些冷藏的費用我們來協助那它不只是盤商你只要大的專業農或者集團栽培的這些經營主體都可以來申請我們這樣的一個協助 |
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甚至還有很多農民質疑他說其實盤商每年都氣說好喜施假 |
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他就先把契作的收一收他根本幫助不到散戶也幫助不到小農真正我們需要幫助的農民受不到幫助反而是幫助了盤商先穩定了他這邊有契作的這個我們在規定的時候都特別講到如果說你盤商也是從事大家經營的時候你現在有八家就這個契作的他賣給另外一家這個契作的他賣給另外一家 |
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他們就八家聯合互相把契作的收一收外面的一般農民受不到幫助所以我今天是很誠懇的心情也希望說院長一定能夠體恤民情體會這些農民真的很辛苦我去到那田邊阿桑是坐在地上哭你知道嗎所以我他們 |
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真的很卑微他們就這三塊你補助盤商你不如直接補助他就有這三塊他就是覺得心裡有一點安慰結果這三塊他們不理解說為什麼還補助盤商呢而且他們一直覺得說那盤商就穩定了他自己的整個企作的部分而已根本幫助不到他們那我另外要講的是這個是有點調節的作用 |
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調節的作用能不能發揮他的效果部長要去檢討我們期待他能夠發揮比較好的調節讓市場穩定但是其實除了調節之外你也要考慮到說他們現在的心理大家是反彈的不得了反彈的不得了你等於是只補助了十分之一抽樂透式的搞不好那十分之一都不足盤商本來囤的本來他氣做的 |
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所以根本一般的農民是沒有辦法受益的院長我真的是希望你可以請農業部好好的思考一下這個落實一下真的幫助到一般農民其實你去雲林大家看到你那麼開心我們也希望說這一次蒜農的問題就院長可以關心農業部當然他有他的考量他有他的專業但是有時候社會上 |
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不是像農業部想的這麼樣理想化的一個狀態我也希望農業部可以納進考量謝謝委員的一些建議那我想我們農糧署的各分署其實也不斷的在跟跟農民跟相關的產地去做這些座談那後續的部分特別是講你什麼時候下來我邀請你下來主持座談你願意來嗎 |
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我想只要是對農民能夠做溝通的我都願意下去像針對花生的部分其實我在過年後其實第一時間就下去了花生我也要講一下我先把它講完我先講完就是說我舉例我其實有跟部長建議說這一次的病蟲害應該啟動天然災害現金救助那部長一直覺得說這個是蟲害不可以但是我們回顧2022年初 |
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當初在恆春半島的洋蔥也遭遇了非常嚴重的一個蟲害然後呢 那時候的農委會也非常的體恤農民考慮到這個病害的背後是受連日大雨跟氣候巨變引發的所以它產生了這個行政的彈性給予了農民實質的災損補助 |
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那這個恆春的屏東的洋蔥的案例你不可能是因為之前的部長是屏東人他就可以然後我們現在的陳部長不是我們雲林人就不可以所以我必須要講這一次的蒜頭病害是因為天氣忽冷忽熱 |
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我們人都因為忽冷忽熱很容易感冒了更何況是作物那明顯的就是因為極端氣候異常所造成的病蟲害是不是農業部可以考量說比照過往的彈性跟經驗重新評估這一次的氣候跟病蟲害的關聯給雲林農民最及時的實質幫助呢 |
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我跟委員報告其實我們也做了一些評估那你舉的那些洋蔥的部分那其實天然災害救贖是因為天然災害所引起的一些農作物的損害那如果說這個農作物的損害跟病毒損害之間的關聯性這個我們會考慮那從大專來講他不是我現在你可以不用解釋你講的我都 |
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我要跟您說明就是當你要用病蟲來啟動天然災害的時候有一個重點就是所有的普遍性都要符合但是相對這次病害是有特定的幾個鄉鎮才發生了這樣的一個問題你就針對這幾個鄉鎮你如果可以針對這幾個鄉鎮我覺得沒話說每一個鄉鎮都有好的農民的管理有的是不好的管理你不可能屏東有 |
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黨後雲林沒有,我覺得這個是不合理的這兩個是不一樣的我再繼續講,去年我們進口了多少公噸?18000噸那你知道今年1月到3月進口了多少噸嗎?6000多噸6830噸 |
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那照1公斤27塊的關稅少說也有1億的關稅我現在幫你找裁員這1億的關稅是不是院長可以讓讓他直接給農業部來支持我們這一筆開銷嗎我們算頭的這些關稅繳的很多農業相關的政策我想院長一直很支持 |
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那相對的收入歸收入,收入就是要腳步那我們需要的話,我們就會跟院裡面去爭取相關的部位那你先不要回答,我沒有要你回答這一句我是希望院長說,既然進口了這麼多的蒜頭然後也繳了非常多的關稅這一筆錢有沒有可能給予農業部幫助讓他們可以幫助更多的農民 |
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關稅的用途他有必須要繳庫以後我們做一個計畫性的使用我跟委員報告即使沒有這個關稅的進口這筆關稅農業部也應該也必須有其他的策略措施來應用這個天然災害 |
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所以我還是希望我還是希望院長可以啟動天然災害現金救助幫助農民或者是補助盤商的這三塊錢直接讓農民受益農民直接拿到錢他就安心你補助盤商他就會擔心說哇 你要再給我二個介紹要再賺那三塊說實在喔 |
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我真的是覺得說這個機制是可以調整的雖然依照這個天然災害救助辦法病蟲害並不屬於天然災害我知道但是過去就有曾經覺得說這個病蟲害是因為極端氣候導致的 |
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他就有關聯嘛 這個剛才屏東的壓中例子就是了我請農業部迅速再去掌握最正確目前最新的狀況那麼能夠精確的提出一個方式讓農民 大蒜農能夠安心也讓他們的損害能夠得到更多更多的而且我也希望說部長喔就是能夠真的受我的邀請來到雲林縣走一趟來看一下這一點喔 也希望部長可以排出時間 |
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我想時間許可我們一定會下去我希望你可以放在心上如果你覺得這是一件要事我相信你應該可以下來那另外呢這個台美正式簽署了這個ART但是美國最高法院判決對等關稅 |
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是非法的所以ART的實際落實情況廣大的農民朋友都非常關心是不是請院長先簡單說一下最新的情況既然美方內部有爭議是不是我們也可以重新審視為台灣為農民爭取更好的空間呢 |
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我再重申原來我們所簽署的ART這個內容對國內的產業不管是工業或農業都居於最有競爭力的一個地位但這個IPAD法被美國最高法院判決失效之後現在引用122的條款那這方面比方說我們原來有27項專屬豁免的現在已經沒有了那稻米的部分原來也是對我們 |
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豁免 它現在是全球豁免但至少在這個基礎上我們並沒有比別的國家還要差只是它全球公平了我們回頭過來我們會請我們的談判團隊繼續爭取跟美方談到能不能依照過去所談到的ART的這個談判的協議的內容對我國最有利的方式我們進一步去做爭取 |
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我覺得院長這個方向非常的好我也覺得絕對支持那就是如果能夠重啟談判的話我也希望提醒幾件要件包括這個條文上的一些協定像ART文本裡面協定第二點一條第二項原產於美國的農產品不應適用特別防衛措施就是所謂的SSG |
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那等於說以後萬一遇到傾銷我們沒有任何反制的措施院長是這樣嗎 |
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我第一個跟委員說明 不管是特別額度配額內的關稅或是SSG特別防疫機制的部分是針對因為當關稅為零的時候 就沒有所謂SSG但是當關稅沒有零的時候 我們還是維持TRQ跟SSG |
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那我在問ART文本第二點二條第一項白紙黑字規定AIT透過其指定代表不應對原產於美國之貨品進口設置配額那這是代表我們未來不能夠針對美國農產品設置關稅配額嗎我的理解正確嗎 |
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我想以水稻來講我們這次的水稻是完全沒有做任何的讓步那相對的我們的配額稻米的配額是在WTO加入的時候美國就有原來的配額了所以那個配額是還是會存在的部分不會不見配額內就零關稅啦 |
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沒有一樣配額外的話他照樣有他的關稅因為他的關稅除非是零才會不會啟動SSG我還是希望呼籲一定要重視這個問題我指出了這兩點我希望院長也可以請我們的談判團隊再一次的審視他的內容然後不要說到時候我們回過頭來發現我們沒有辦法有任何抵制的這個措施剛剛聽張委員在談這個我們簽署ART的條文內容 |
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我可以認定你非常了解這個內容以稻米而言我們原來的配額原來的保護政策都是有的因為他現在用122變成全球豁免如果我們再回到ART的內容的時候我們還是會擁有跟過去一樣的國際競爭力是 院長那再接下來就是花生了 |
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我們2002年加入WTO的時候當時設計的花生關稅配額一年是5253公噸因為美國花生具大規模機械化的與補貼的優勢價格大概是我們國產花生的三分之一這個您很清楚而且我也知道您非常關心我們也通過電話針對花生的部分 |
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那如果假设现在美国可以零关税无配额无限量的进口那这对花生产业是一个毁灭式的冲击院长这个制度手下了台湾花生产业这24年现在很担心说会不会这个MRT或者是会不会现在跟美国的谈判最后会让本土的花生业全面弃守 |
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是我們的市場上本來每一年都有一定的量是需要從國外進口的那其中印度阿根廷量是比較大的巴西阿根廷對巴西阿根廷量是比較大的而且進口跟國產的花生賣相品質都不太一樣 |
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1582.305 |
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進口是沒有殼的是去殼的花生我理解 你想要用進口取代進口然後這個 等於是讓他們進口跟進口之間去競爭但是美國的花生假設它的成本又比阿根廷的低其實就會誘發這個食品加工它會希望擴大進口的使用量然後就會壓縮到本土花生的使用量這個是有一個替代性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1582.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1606.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
那所以是不是有可能除了我們要去關心這個配額之外或者是關稅之外我們也要針對本土的花生一定要標示清楚因為假設你不標示清楚這一定要做而且現在就要開始輔導他們準備我跟委員說明謝謝委員對花生的一個關心那第一點就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1607.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1632.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
的確花生是值得我們要去關注的但是我們未來的花生就像委員長講的花生不應該在馬路再繼續曬所以這是一個機會我們不應該再用價格的戰爭因為用價格戰爭永遠打不過外國的我們應該提升到價值醬油你有標示說黑豆釀製或者是古法釀製或黃豆台灣花生唯一選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1633.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1637.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我跟委員說明農業部有一個農產品生產及管理及驗證辦法這裡面只要一規範下去的時候你的所有的產品都要標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1656.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1684.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
不管是花生農或是花生加工廠他們都會出事所以我也很希望說部長然後院長你們既然這麼關心這些人真的一定要把這個措施跟具體的配套趕快研擬出來因為不曉得什麼時候會開始那我們如果準備好的話呢就會降低他們的不確定性那我最後想要為這些花生農請命 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1685.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1702.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
假設我們的價格競爭力是等於是他們是我們三倍的競爭力那我們現在花生的轉作金額是一公頃兩萬五我們是不是能夠提高我們花生轉作的金額 |
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1703.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1726.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
把我們花生農的成本降低讓他們跟進口的有這個等於是有抗衡的力量有競爭的力量我們把花生的轉作金額拉高包括我記得像花生只有兩萬五毛豆就五萬啊甚至有一些更高是到六萬七萬如果假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1728.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1752.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
舉例啦假設我們只有他三分之一的競爭力我們要乘以三倍的話兩萬五乘以三就是七萬五一公頃假設是七萬五其實跟很多其他的作物相差也沒有太大也不是說他獨樹一格說他拉的比較高是因為過去花生的轉作金額比較低那是不是有可能請院長考量說為了要 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1753.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1770.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
迎接這個進口的衝擊我們把花生的轉作金額把它拉高起來我跟委員報告就是您說的這樣的一個轉作的一個金額的調整那已經在我們的相關的配套座位裡面那相關的轉作的金額一定是考慮到它的栽培的一個成本而不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1772.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1798.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
我現在就是在提醒你說有這個可能性希望你們可以納入考量最後因為時間不多我想要知道說農業部為了鼓勵農漁民子女安心就學有一個就學心機制有補助公私立高中或大專院校的學生農民就跟我反應這個有排富排富也合理就是你有120萬以上你就是不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1799.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1826.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
申請這個這個就學金但是農民就跟我說他說我是一個孩子我如果120萬我排付合理我有三個孩子同時在討債我也是120萬他的負擔是額外重的所以是不是農業部可以比照教育部把這個子女數分類然後來補助因為這多出來的錢不會很多但是他會真的照顧 |
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1845.15 |
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1845.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
好 謝謝 |