| IVOD_ID |
167805 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167805 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-24T09:01:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-24T09:17:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e45a85cfecfeae921941cc32fd825516909f2e94215b28140b257ea3ef7aa4c1c83aa5707098847e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:01:25 - 09:17:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「對本院內政委員會召集委員李柏毅115年3月16日主持會議時之行為提出最嚴厲之譴責，並將李柏毅委員移送紀律委員會。嚴正要求民進黨政府：停止踐踏中華民國的民主與法治，停止對陸配與新住民的歧視、打壓與追殺。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月20日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝副院長我們是請我們左院長請左院長備詢 |
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陳偉豪主院長謝謝我想捷運是台南非常期待的一個重要交通建設也是我們賴清德市長還有賴清德院長現在的賴清德總統一直在提點希望台南有一個不一樣的改變我相信捷運就是我們的期待 |
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而且在六度當中我們看到現在每一個地方都在推動捷運可是我們的捷運好像有一點點的緩慢那這個緩慢就是一個原因 |
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他所說的我們運量還有財務風險那我今天就要就這個運量跟財務風險跟我們的院長還有部長來交換一下意見我覺得如果沒有這個問題解開中央跟地方的穩就來來去去永遠都沒有一個結論因為中央跟地方其實完全在一個不同的平台 |
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地方永遠是最了解我們需要是什麼可是在文當中沒有辦法很清楚的寫得一清二楚所以我藉著今天這個機會我希望我們的院長跟部長可以溝通我們所有的團隊包括行政院的團隊我們交通部的團隊 國發會我們一起往這個方向來進行 |
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我想我今天做了一張非常完整的圖這個完整的圖就是要讓院長跟部長很清楚的了解 |
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我想這一張圖 我把我們整個台南目前規劃的所有的路線都把它畫出來目前有藍線第一期 還有藍線延伸線我們的深綠線 我們的紅線 我們的綠線跟黃線 |
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但是現在第一起藍線在我們當時候賴清德院長核定到今年10月才有可能要發包才有可能這是未知數喔是照時程來走可能如果沒有的話有可能延到明年 |
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等於是多久89年89年我們才可以看到一段一段從永康到東區轉運到仁德轉運站這麼一段可是院長部長你們清楚嗎這一段運量會出來嗎 |
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它的效益會出來嗎它如果沒有把它變成半環狀我不期待在短時間變成環狀只有半環狀 |
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所以我們希望哪裡好施工為什麼我們台南會推藍線的延伸深綠線跟紅線因為這裡目前施工方面比較沒有爭議而且在這個部分你知道它的延伸線藍線的延伸線是要接到高鐵 |
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如果轉運站接到高鐵它的效益會不會出來會然後我們還有一條深綠線這一條深綠線是從南科123接到我們現在在推動的沙崙南科4這一條深綠線 |
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那麼如果我們把它串接起來再連接到藍線的延伸線接到高鐵效益會不會出來一定出來呀然後再接紅線紅線就是接高雄就是跨縣市那如果說為什麼我們要把紅線先來推動我們知道高雄現在推機場捷運線 |
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如果我們這一條把它做起來了在未來接到機場捷運線這效益出不出來出得來因為它可以串聯我們的轉運站我們的高鐵還有機場 |
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這叫未雨綢繆啊當然中央現在看到一片的空地都覺得請問效益在哪聽不懂我們地方所說的或許他們也沒有像停飛這樣子把他整個串聯起來去做一個很好的縮貼可是現在的問題是每一條路線他都是個別 |
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然後提出可行性評估給我們的行政院跟交通部他們沒有辦法像我們這樣子把它串聯起來所以你知道包括藍線的延伸線深綠線跟紅線這三條都是在去年都已經送了可行性評估給了我們交通部 |
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可是我們行政院就依照說運量不足還有財政規劃就這兩個我認為如果是這兩個理由在我們的公文裡面基本上就來來去去了我們怎麼寫也寫不到你們所要的運量寫不到你們所謂的財政規劃 |
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你跟我們說要從舊城區開始你知道這個叫沒有專業的說法舊城區你知道舊城區的施工多難嗎 |
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你們卻叫我們一定要在第二條往一個最難需要溝通的路線去走綠線在3月20號才送出議會而已 |
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結果你叫我們從綠線開始前面這三條都已經在行政院了你們卻不准給我們那我都不知道說未來到底我們要等幾個八年一條藍線等八年那請問我們的藍線的延伸深綠線 紅線在去年這三條早就已經送到交通部了 |
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你們都一句話運量財務規劃這兩個就把我們打死了院長我今天會利用時間來拜託您拜託因為你們從地方來的不論是院長或是部長你們都有基層的經驗我相信 |
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基層跟坐在辦公室規劃的人一定不一樣因為基層他知道我們未來性在哪裡我們施工的重點在哪裡絕對不是坐在辦公室然後用頭腦裡面想說哇 我的捷運在台南我要怎麼畫如果有這麼簡單我們不用等那麼久 |
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如果這麼簡單我們的鐵路地下化不用等一二十年這個其實都需要從溝通溝通再溝通所以為什麼今天我要拜託院長還有我們的部長轉一下轉一下不要再公文來來去去我們早來大家談好 |
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我們希望趕快核定深綠線核定藍線的延伸接到高鐵然後在紅線接高雄讓我們趕快過那下一個階段就是我們的綠線我們一定要一步一步來如果我們沒有把前面這個效益願景做出來綠線很難溝通 |
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因為大家會覺得為什麼要從我們這邊開始你從舊城區你知道要做多少的溝通嗎但是如果他看到了我們整個願景那就不一樣了有了願景的溝通跟沒有願景的溝通 |
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那個所花費的力道要加成所以院長這個部分是不是可以給我們的時間點否則你知道我真的是不好意思說你知道來來回回退了幾次嗎所以我希望我們是可以接續上來的 |
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如果我們的藍線第一起藍線發包了我都拜託黃偉哲市長說拜託你無論怎麼樣藍線第一起藍線在你的任內一定要趕快把它發包出去我們才能再接續但是它發包完如果我們後續的路線沒有核定也是沒有用啊 |
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所以院長部長這個部分你們怎麼看法是不是部長先說明現在重要的程序進行到哪裡我們再來做最終的一個討論像委員報告現在我們的藍線第一期當然進度比較快它目前正在基本設計當中那基本設計目前當然也要中央審議交通部已經送到行政院工程會那工程會在審議當中如果工程會審完大概它的發包的日期要開工的日期就會比較確定這個部分是這個樣子 |
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那您剛剛有提到藍線延伸紅線深綠線跟綠線的部分目前都在可行性研究當中但坦白說我覺得它的起步有點晚那您今天有提到我就會特別來去了解因為沒有錯您有提到說未來整個大台南的都市發展我們要看的是願景所以那個醞釀我們也會跟市政府溝通因為這個市政府要自己提出來未來的願景它會造成醞釀的提升那它就可以在計畫裡面把它寫清楚 |
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707.981 |
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725.084 |
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他只要寫清楚我們這邊應該都專業審查的過程都一定會通過這個是沒有問題您今天有提到一整盤的未來的規劃那這一整盤我回去部裡面之後我會請鐵道局過來那我一項一項來了解看怎麼樣協助來解套或者是怎麼樣協助來溝通這個部分我們會來協助 |
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726.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
748.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
要拜託部長因為我會再一次請市政府跟交通部坐下來針對這個部分把它的一個所謂的Gap把它接續起來我覺得這比較重要所以這個部分因為行政院給我們的就是卡債運量跟財務規劃所以院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
775.431 |
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好 謝謝陳委員站在這種市政的高度長遠的視角來希望形成一個交通的路網這極端重要百年以來所有重大的建設都是從軌道開始才能造成一個城市一個地區的長遠的發展台北市而言過去三四十年前只有一條木柵線運量絕對有限後來路網形成是現在最為便利的那麼今年的2月11號 |
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798.511 |
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藍線的基本設計報告已經交給工程會我會要求工程會緊速來排定所有審議的內容那麼我希望說如果2月已經到了那工程會的時間能夠加緊快的話藍線我們期待今年能夠給台南的鄉親有一個重大的進展能夠順利的來回到我們希望10月可以發包我們請工程會 |
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799.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
821.405 |
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南縣基本設計大致已經開過會了預計四月中會到台南縣看然後如果委員同意那就審查基本設計審查通過那就可以進行發包作業我們希望四月中就是說我們前面的程序如果都按部就班都已經完成了那麼我們十月就有機會可以發包 |
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4月中會去現刊那如果委員覺得沒有實際上審查沒有問題的那基本設計就審查通過那就可以進行發包作業那我想就看市政府他規劃怎麼發包 |
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860.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
我們希望如果像我們主委所說的一切都順利是可以提早的話我們樂觀其成要不然如果依照整個程序他們給我們的大概是預計十月那如果像我們的主委這麼說四月希望馬上安排現刊如果委員都沒有意見的話有可能會提早 |
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那我相信這給台南真的是太棒對 我會去督促台南市政府說這個程序要趕快那針對其他的路線 |
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873.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
899.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
關於其他紅線 深綠線跟綠線我也希望交通部能夠在給地方政府的溝通當中以剛剛我說的軌道先行幫助產業的發展尤其是我們現在大南方新矽谷是用沙崙跟高雄這雙頭馬車在帶動所以一定要把它串聯起來用這樣的觀念跟這樣的一個視野來看未來在地方溝通的意見當中互相取得高度的共識 |
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900.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
926.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
所以要拜託就是說我們的重大建設都在這裡如果軌道串聯起來我相信這邊的發展再連接到高雄再連接南科123到沙崙的市區這個才有一個未來的科技軌道的一個發展所以院長我今天會利用時間就說我把它做得很完整 |
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927.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
930.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我掉了所有的資料把它完成 |