| IVOD_ID |
167761 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167761 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-23T10:15:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-23T10:25:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fac85a1267872a8ab2233c9956f55b8b3e8ac6646e11c8ecc20d8b31dcd6c605303090bacd9a8aae5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:36 - 10:25:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：一、行政院函請審議「強化防衛韌性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。三、本院國民黨黨團擬具「強化國防及對美軍事採購特別條例草案」案。(3月23日、3月25
日及26日三天一次會)） |
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主席各位出列席官員大家好主席可不可以請顧部長請顧部長以及審計部的陳廷長陳政部的阮次長請財安部部長你好我想國防保護我們的安全沒有人反對截至目前為止 |
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有誰反對你說我們不要買軍購的?有沒有哪一個委員說反對?我想我們 |
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希望委員能夠支持我們現在所提出的願板,我們這願板除了有軍購、商購跟委制項目,這三個對我們整個建軍備戰的整體規劃是非常重要是,副長我覺得這是很嚴肅的議題,所以大家要很嚴肅的心情,那希望 |
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得到一個最好的答案那這次一共是1.25兆我就想請教一下部長是不是1.25兆一毛都不可以少站在國安部的立場我們很希望委員能夠支持我們這個經過這麼久的時間所規劃的一個 |
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特別預算的一個來強化我們整體這個防衛韌性跟不對稱戰力的一個暗項我們當然站在國防部裡想還是希望我也能夠給充分的支持我們都支持啊可是部長你剛剛講說1.25兆那你敢說你講1.25兆一定都對嗎 |
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1.25兆是一個上限上限的意思會再增加還是會減少不能夠超過上限那我們在條例通過以後我們還要提出預算書預算書的每一個案項還要經過這個委員會的審查還要經過這個大院的通過所以這個預算相關個別的預算還要等到條例通過以後每一項每一項大家再來逐步檢討 |
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所以你的意思是說1.25兆就夠了 |
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如果您就問我,我不認為,我當然不認為1.25兆是夠我們剛剛在報告裡面也提到了我們持續的這個新增的案項還有很多包括了這個華社天間公司等等的這些案我們並沒有把它全數擺出特別預算但是我們也不可能毫無限制的去全部把它擺到特別預算我想剛剛 |
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都有提到了我們要考慮到這個我們有考慮到這個總量的相關的財政距離法以及公共財務法相關的規範所以我們提出的這個特別預算我們就是打算應該是說資源其中 |
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規模穩定的情況之下來達到我們想要的一個這樣不對症戰力跟防衛韌性的提升所以部長你剛剛的說法說當然天津備戰是持續性的工作不會是所以你剛剛的說法是上限是1.25兆對不對對然後具體的項目還要再送到大院來委員會來審否則我聽到無所謂我那一天跟卓院長講的時候 |
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他說委員那我們也可以1.25兆加N啊我的天啊聽到無所謂那我的意思是說民眾為了安全的問題大家都會支持啊我記得那天您跟左院長對話您是說1.25兆不夠那所以院長才會回說那你也可以再把1.25兆加N所以他是一個回應委員您的說法 |
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那我們這邊提出來當然是1.25兆因為在顧及一定的我們的整個財政紀律法跟公共債務法相關的規範所列出來的那麼嚴肅的議題結果我講1.25兆 |
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左院長說你也可以提1.25兆加N像問題不是我提啊而是我們信賴你們的專業相信你們能提出一些可以有效來至少保護台灣安全的一個方法就你說你可以再提那我提的意思就是說那1.25兆可以不可以買到台灣的安全或者 |
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乾脆一句話,你問美國,究竟要多少兆?那我們會覺得啊,你跟我講多少兆,我們也要回復美國啊,啊後代你賣兆啊台灣有困難的時候,你就停到底啊,這樣也可以來談啊可是到底有沒有這樣做,我們通通不知道 |
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我想我們的目標就是說我們不斷的強化累積性的強化我們的可視戰力使共軍不敢犯台這個的目標那我們的手段不會只限於我們的特別預算也要包括我們的公務預算那這兩個是會有相乘的一個效果我們希望委員能夠支持好 謝謝我們一直都是支持的態度但是嚴格的審查因為 |
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台灣的財庫不是無底洞啊我等一下要問一下次長喔次長我們現在我們的負債的餘額是多少我們現在的負債餘額如果是用預算數來算的話是6.8兆 |
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實際上的餘額是5.8兆那到底這個事情是怎麼樣來的為什麼五年前不需要十年前也沒有說台灣馬上要戰爭啊為什麼搞得好像好像馬上就戰爭了可是真的會戰爭嗎來我們請一下軍事情報局的李執行長 |
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我們之前感到很惶恐是說聽說要打仗啦共軍要犯台請問共軍最新的情報會不會犯台委員報告我想我們 |
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一定要料敵從寬我們不會去說他一定會犯台或不會犯台我們的國軍的目標就是不斷的累積我們的戰力來達到一個嚇阻的效果那事實上這樣子的一個嚇阻或者拒止的這個戰略 |
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美國也是放在他的這個NAS國家安全戰略裡面那我們整個第一島鏈的國家也都在增加國防預算目標也就是在建立這樣一個集體嚇阻能量讓共軍不會覺得哪一天是適合的日子來進行犯台所以加強我們自己本身的戰力加強我們自己的實力部長我要請你要小心一點我最後請審計部 |
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陳廷長過去三五十年以來軍購的部分有沒有出現問題 |
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跟委員報告一下,像這次F16交機大概延後,我們就有促請公安部要去修改那個發價書,暫緩付款,大概這部分大概有12億美金,大概就是12億的美金就...我的意思是說啦,我們這個一兆多啊,最後會不會流到美國的國庫? |
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還是留到別人口袋裡面?按照現在我們的錢會先匯到他的FRB裡面然後如果要提供給廠商到Trust Fund我想這個基本上是不會過去拉法院案錢流到哪邊去?拉法院案是商購案,它不是軍售商購,這次有商購嗎?目前商購的話是國內或是偽裝就可能要錢目前我還沒有看到所以部長你能不能保證說這些錢不會出問題? |
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我們官部會秉持最嚴謹的立場將一分英豪都花在一個我們的刀口上為什麼以前有中保私囊的事情出現我想跟委員報告軍購案的這個部分剛剛有提到這個政府對政府 |
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那FRB是我們在美國聯邦準備銀行設的戶頭那個錢還是屬於我們的那美國會按照它進度的要求會再放到一個Trust Fund裡面去那這個程序可能大家不是很理解這個細部流程那商科的部分我想我們透過相關的這些機合的這個程序不管是採購法不管是相關的這些審計制度都會進行嚴格的一個把關好 |
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584.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
那請問趙雅萍中將你認不認識他就在這裡那你相不相信他我想趙中將是一個非常嚴謹的一個將領我想他會就他的採購職責做好他應盡的工作那你們所有相關人也要把事情做好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
586.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
586.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我們當然會努力 |