| IVOD_ID |
167760 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167760 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-23T10:09:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-23T10:21:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:09:16 - 10:21:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：審查本院台灣民眾黨黨團、委員林思銘等21人分別擬具「虛擬資產服務法草案」等2案。（僅詢答）） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請彭主委以及央行的外匯局長蔡局長一起彭主委跟蔡局長委員長早安最早安了 |
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我要請教一下,因為今天談虛擬貨幣,這個虛擬貨幣有沒有利息?虛擬資產,剛委員講按照我們這個草案裡面,如果是發行商不可以支付利息發行商,發行穩定幣的人不可以支付利息 |
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但是我們看到來看下一頁喔這個國外的都有USDT、USDT都有利息耶還有的比如說這個短期的到10%USDT、USDT |
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如果是借貸商,但是發行的部分是沒有的我想我也應該很清楚,就是美國最近他們在討論的清潔法案裡面是規定不准發利息,當然這部分有很多的 |
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一直還沒有通過那我說我們的行政版本我們是支持在發行發行商是不支付利息這我們也跟央行也做過非常充分的討論那另外至於說今天持有以後他做這個虛擬資產的借貸服務的話那當然借貸本身就是會有就發行商比如說現在什麼叫造風銀行發行台灣的穩定幣他不可以給利息就這個意思提供轉換的服務 |
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他提供轉換的服務交易的一個工具而已他不能加利息可是他如果在市面上流通市面怎麼樣去把它買賣有加利息這個你們不管是不是他就是有一個借貸行為的話因為這有時間利益嘛這當然是債權他們可以有利息啊對就是他的因為你犧牲了時間價值嘛現在來來來那個央行的局長呢 |
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是 目前我們看到的也是就是國外的都是針對穩定幣的發行商是都是不給利息的那但是在平台商的部分 借貸商的部分因為他在國外的話因為有這個借貸的行為所以他們有的是複習的那他們也不算是一個複習的一個機制最主要是因為是一種就是一個補償這個借貸這個時間持有的過程裡面可是我看到剛剛我給你秀給你看到10%欸 這麼高欸 |
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你會不會覺得這個USDT、USDC都有這麼高短時間,比如說上個月給9%、給10%這個有,還要給到20幾%都有耶不過我想我應該知道比如說我們短期資金之間的拆借本來就是一個供需市場本來就會有一個跟我們一般長期的比如說存款的利率本來就不太一樣我的意思是說這個他們是從供需來決定的 |
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我們看到最近在三月的時候外資賣掉差不多七千億 |
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這個是台股這個重點很重要的原因之一那就是 這個是為什麼看啊 主委我們的台股這個持續一直收低啊因為油價持續走高嘛油價甚至於有人估到說要破120有人說170 有人說180這個東西 這一句話對不對啦我請問潘主委啊 |
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每一個戰爭沒有停止的話 國術就對不對 這就對不對我想這次影響全球不是只有台灣的原因我想大家都非常非常的明瞭這很清晰啊就是說是主要因為這個戰爭影響周邊這個共有的穩定我想這個大家非常非常清楚至於說 |
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這樣的時間有多久影響有多大那各自去解讀各自去判斷所以這個市場訊息匯集到市場上進行反應我想這個大概就是全球都是一樣的那這個原因已經非常清楚不是說有些什麼大家不知道的原因只是大家必須要我問你這句話你同意不同意只要美伊的戰爭不止的話股市得不停這句話同不同意這個其實這句話本來就很複雜 |
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就是像比如過去我們比如說美伊的戰爭其實並沒有停止但是股市本來就有漲有跌啊就是並不是說這件事一定就是往下跌所以從過去這兩禮拜來兩三禮拜各位都看到了各種消息面對影響預期產生的結果就是不同沒有 主委我問你齁那這個外資賣超了7000億啊請教養老啦這7000億跑去哪裡啊會出國外嗎 還是說趴在國內 |
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依據我們現在目前的規定外資匯進來國內投資股票當他在賣完股票之後就是會匯出去 |
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他不能夠繼續趴在這裡啊他會有時間趴就是還是暫時有部分會暫時但是陸陸續續都還是會出去所以七千多億全部出去了嗎七千多億全部出去了嗎大部分都在過去這一個月就是說三月以來的賣超的部分目前至少部分還陸陸續續會暫時這個是造成台幣最近一直變的原因是不是 |
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對這是最主要台幣在外匯市場上面就是這個需求美元的需求大於供給最主要的一個因素你們有沒有進場調解是有沒有進場調解工具失衡比較大的時候我們會進場調解先有失衡嗎在過去幾天有幾天有出現這樣的一個情況所以前幾天你們有進場有總裁在上次就是禮拜四的那個李建勢會後的記者會也有對外有這樣的一個所以可見的你們心目中還是有一條 |
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總裁還有我們央行的立場都是很清楚我們沒有所謂的一個防線 |
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沒辦法知道未來美元指數它會走到哪邊去會有多強多弱這要看全球的國際金融市場的變化才能來看我想總裁也一再都有對外說明過沒有這個所謂的防線表面沒有啦 心裡有啦我這句要同意吧 |
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心裡有啊 爸你要緊張幹嘛你還要去啊你完全尊重市場 你還要去啊你心裡一定有嘛我們心裡最關注的應該就是供需的失衡加上波動太大供需明顯失衡的時間這個時候我們要給大姐的最主要的一個關鍵你同意我講的吧 |
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比特首還是在幹綠碼對不對其實我比較同意總裁跟局長講的啦我比較同意那個局長跟總裁所以你不同意我講的沒有 我覺得他們講的比較符合實際那委員講的是你自己的覺得32就是心理防線嘛看不見的隱形那條線就在那裡對不對 就出現了嘛 |
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賓果嘛就出現了嘛我覺得再差一點就32.5啦大概不會跌破32.5嘛是不是 |
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我想這還是要看國際金融機制你剛才說你前幾天有護盤有去調節那個時候是幾塊錢不一定大概就是外資集中匯出比較大的時候這個我想我們會定期就是講你一定記得很清楚你是操作的你一定知道啊幾塊錢的時候你們進場的 |
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沒有特定說幾塊錢就是當天的市場的一個大概幾塊錢那天是幾塊錢我想過去這幾天大概台幣的價格大概在31.5到32之間對嘛所以就是我講的對啊主委真的有說瞎話 |
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還有不同意我講的你要同意我講的啦其實我還是比較贊成就是央行他本於職權做了很多業務上面的這些的作為我想這個跟委員自己的認知那當然委員可以自己有自己的認知啦我想這部分是還是尊重他不是隨便認知啦我就是觀察這樣看這樣想這樣想結果就是這樣嘛就是進場的時候就31.5到32這樣來最後一個問題請教主委喔 |
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那個黃金存摺喔是不是一定要送貨我真的覺得是不是黃金存摺啊這部分我沒有沒辦法立刻回答我看請那個局長可以跟您做個簡單的回覆好不好好 局長來 |
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這是屬於金管會嗎?金管會嗎?銀行跟我們申請黃金存摺業務的部分他們會去做相關的避險但這個避險的對等的工具是不是就是實體黃金這個我們並沒有特別的規定因為現在有人跟我分運的 |
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他說他要去存摺,他要存黃金,買黃金的存摺,因為不太賣,原因就是他們沒有現貨,所以他們沒有現貨,因為賺不到現貨,所以他不要賣,你們這個是怎麼樣,我查了一下根據你們的辦法,他要有現貨才能賣喔! |
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但是銀行他在實務商的操作過程裡面如果說有跟客戶約定這個黃金存摺到時候要對領的是新台幣的話那他就不會刻意去存這個黃金的現貨來讓客戶來領因為現貨通常都會到銀樓去買所以銀行最主要是把它當成是一個金融商品在銷售給他的客戶那你這樣子等於銀樓賣空賣空喔 |
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它是把它當成是一個金融商品 |
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你現在等於說比如說我買了黃金存摺就發現沒有現貨 你是騙我我變這個樣子它是鎖定那個價格也就是說當他在跟客戶說明的時候就是說到時候可能他也會用現貨來交割但他也可以用貨幣來交割所以它最主要是一個投資的金融上如果客戶不要了 客戶就說我最好讓感覺我要實體黃金 |
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你要給我啊?是不是這樣?這個部分還是要回歸到說他契約上是怎麼設計的因為通常一般民眾來做這個黃金存摺他可能是要保有這個黃金價格在漲的這個增值的利益所以他不見得說我到時候如果說黃金今天不要漲上去了他不見得要提領這個實體黃金 |
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這個我今天清楚了所以銀行賣黃金存摺不一定有黃金沒有想到委員有關這個細節我會請銀行局準備一個完整的說明再給委員參考好吧 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:09:35.048000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請彭主委以及央行外匯局蔡局長。 |
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主席 |
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請彭主委跟蔡局長。 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:09:35.688000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:09:35.948000+08:00 |
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委員早安。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:09:36.288000+08:00 |
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主委早安。 |
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0.5 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:09:45.778000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:09:53.640000+08:00 |
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因為今天談的是虛擬貨幣，我要請教一下，虛擬貨幣有沒有利息？ |
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0.577 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:09:58.281000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:09:58.281000+08:00 |
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虛擬資產。啊？ |
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0.8 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:09:58.281000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:02.121000+08:00 |
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剛剛委員詢問的，按照我們這個草案的規定，如果是發行商不可以支付利息。 |
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0.774 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:02.121000+08:00 |
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1 |
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沒有利息？ |
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0 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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1 |
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發行商。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:05.662000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:05.882000+08:00 |
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發行商？ |
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1 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:07.763000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:09.383000+08:00 |
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發行穩定幣的人不可以支付利息。 |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:09.991000+08:00 |
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但是我們看到相關資料顯示，國外都有耶，USDC、USDT都有利息耶，還有的短期利率到10%耶，你看我所提簡報資料的USDT、USDC，國際上都有耶。 |
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0.562 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:28.861000+08:00 |
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如果是借貸商，但是我剛剛講發行的部分是沒有的，我想委員應該很清楚美國最近在討論所謂的清潔法案，這裡面就是規定發行的部分不准發利息，當然這部分有很多的……所以一直還沒有通過。 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:47.426000+08:00 |
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我說我們行政院版本是規定發行商是不支付利息，這個我們也跟央行做過非常充分的討論。 |
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0.895 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:10:56.191000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:02.835000+08:00 |
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另外，今天持有以後它做虛擬資產的借貸服務的話，當然借貸本身就是會有…… |
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0.968 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:02.995000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:11.300000+08:00 |
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就是發行商，比如現在隨便講一家，比如兆豐銀行發行臺灣的穩定幣，就不可以給利息，是這個意思？ |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:11.620000+08:00 |
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對，他就提供轉換的服務。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:13.901000+08:00 |
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他提供轉換的服務，交易的一個工具而已，他不能支付利息，可是如果這個幣種在市面上流通，市面上怎麼樣買賣、是否給利息，這個你們不管，是不是？ |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:26.443000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:29.924000+08:00 |
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如果他有一個借貸行為的話，因為這有時間利益嘛，這個當然…… |
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0.88 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:30.964000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:31.904000+08:00 |
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債權當然可以有利息啊！ |
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0.8 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:32.384000+08:00 |
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對，因為你犧牲了時間價值嘛。 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:34.465000+08:00 |
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1 |
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是不是請央行說明？ |
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0.25 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:38.171000+08:00 |
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1 |
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來，請央行蔡局長。 |
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0.286 |
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蔡局長烱民 |
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2026-03-23T10:11:41.877000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:12:05.314000+08:00 |
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是，目前我們看到的也是如此，國外針對穩定幣的部分，發行商都是不給利息的，但是在平臺商、借貸商的部分，因為有借貸的行為，所以他們有的是付息的，他們也不算是付息的機制啦，最主要是一種補償借貸時間持有的過程裡面給的…… |
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0.884 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:12:05.775000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:12:20.573000+08:00 |
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可是我剛剛show給你們看了，有的高達10%這麼高耶，你會不會覺得USDT、USDC都有這麼高，短時間比如三個月的給9%、10%，還有給到百分之二十幾的都有耶，這個有沒有風險？ |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:12:21.293000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:12:35.978000+08:00 |
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我想委員應該知道，比如說我們短期資金之間的拆借本來就是一個供需市場、本來就跟我們一般長期的存款利率不太一樣，我的意思是說，這個是從供需來決定的。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:12:39.430000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:13:04.912000+08:00 |
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好，那我們來看，最近在3月的時候，外資大概賣掉了差不多7,000億，這也是我們臺股重跌很重要的原因之一，請問主委怎麼看？ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:13:05.212000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:13:27.186000+08:00 |
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主委，我們的臺股持續一直走低，因為油價持續走高嘛，甚至於有人預估油價會破120元，有人說170元、有人說180元，我請問彭主委，美伊的戰爭沒有停止的話，股市就跌不停，這句話對不對？ |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:13:27.186000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:13:44.177000+08:00 |
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這一次影響全球不是只有臺灣的原因我想大家都非常非常明瞭，這很清晰，主要是因為戰爭影響周邊供油的穩定性，這個大家非常非常清楚。 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:13:44.337000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:13:56.980000+08:00 |
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至於說這樣的時間有多久、影響有多大，就各自去解讀、各自去判斷，所以這個市場訊息匯集到市場上進行反映嘛，這個全球大概都是一樣的。 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-23T10:13:59.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-23T10:14:04.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
這個原因已經非常清楚，不是說有些什麼大家不知道的原因，只是大家預期不同。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-23T10:14:04.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-23T10:14:11.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
主委，我就問這句話你同不同意啦，只要美伊戰爭不止的話，股市跌不停，這句話你同不同意啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-23T10:14:11.102000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-23T10:14:31.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
其實這句話本來就很複雜，比如過去美伊的戰爭其實並沒有停止，但是股市本來就有漲有跌啊，並不是說這件事情就一定是往下跌，過去這兩、三禮拜各位都看到了，各種消息面對影響預期產生的結果就是不同。沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-23T10:14:31.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-23T10:14:38.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
主委，外資賣超了7,000億，請教央行，這7,000億跑去哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-23T10:14:39.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-23T10:14:40.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
匯出國外嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-23T10:14:40.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-23T10:14:41.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
還是Park在國內？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-23T10:14:43.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-23T10:14:50.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
依據我們目前的規定，外資匯進來國內投資股票，當他賣完股票之後就是會匯出去。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-23T10:14:52.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-23T10:14:53.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
不能夠繼續park在這裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-23T10:14:56.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-23T10:14:59.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
有部分會暫時，但是陸陸續續都還是會出去，經過…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-23T10:14:59.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:04.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
所以七千多億全部出去了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:04.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:12.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
大部分都……在過去這一個月，就是3月以來賣超的部分，目前只有少部分，陸陸續續會再出去，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:12.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:15.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
這個是造成臺幣最近一直貶的原因，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:17.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:22.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
對，臺幣在外匯市場上面，美元的需求大於供給是最主要的一個因素。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:23.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:25.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
你們有沒有進場調節？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:26.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:27.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
有沒有進場調節？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:27.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:29.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
供需失衡比較大的時候，我們會進場調節。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:30.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:31.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
現在有失衡嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:31.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:34.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
在過去幾天，有幾天有出現這樣的一個情形。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:34.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:36.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以前幾天你們有進場？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:36.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:42.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
有，總裁在禮拜四的理監事會後的記者會也有對外做這樣的說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:43.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:45.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
可見得你們心目中還是有一條楊金龍的防線嘛，大概32左右嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:45.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-23T10:15:46.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
大家都知道差不多32，如果再跌破的話你們就進場了，差不多這個樣子嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-23T10:15:46.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:19.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
報告委員，總裁還有我們央行的立場都是很清楚，我們沒有所謂的一個防線，因為我們沒辦法知道未來美元指數會走到哪邊去，會有多強、多弱，這要看全球國際金融市場的變化，我想總裁也一再都有對外說明過沒有所謂的防線。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:19.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:22.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
表面沒有啦，心裡有啦，我這句話同意吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:23.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:25.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
心裡有啊，不然你進場幹嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:26.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:30.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
就讓它去啊，如果完全尊重市場就讓它去啊，你心裡一定有嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:31.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:39.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我們心裡最關注的應該就是供需的失衡，假設波動太大、供需明顯失衡的時候，這個就是我們調節的最主要關鍵。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:39.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:40.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
是嘛，就是32嘛，難道不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:39.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:40.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
主委，你同意我講的吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:42.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:44.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
必要時還是要干預嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:44.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:46.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
其實我比較同意總裁跟局長講的啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:49.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:50.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
所以你不同意我講的？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
彭主任委員金隆 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-23T10:16:51.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-23T10:16:56.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
沒有，我覺得他們講的比較符合實際，委員講的是你自己的覺得。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:00.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:06.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
32就是心裡的防線啊，看不見的隱形那條線就在那裡，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:06.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:18.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
就出現了嘛，賓果，就出現了嘛，32，我覺得再差一點就32.5啦，大概不會跌破32.5嘛，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:18.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:22.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
局長，你要不要說一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:22.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:24.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我想這還是要看國際金融情勢的變化。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:24.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:30.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
你剛才說前幾天有護盤、有去調節，那個時候是幾塊？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:30.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:33.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
不一定，大概就是外資集中匯出比較大的時候。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:33.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:34.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
大概多少錢啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:34.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:35.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
你跟我講價格是多少。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:33.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:34.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我想我們會定期講我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:34.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:35.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
不、不、不，你一定記得很清楚，你負責操作的，你是操盤手啊，你一定知道幾塊錢的時候你們進場的。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.718 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
蔡局長烱民 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-23T10:17:46.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-23T10:17:49.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
沒有特定說幾塊錢，就是當天市場的需求很大…… |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:17:50.387000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:17:51.308000+08:00 |
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大概是幾塊錢嘛？ |
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0.714 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:17:51.308000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:17:52.129000+08:00 |
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那天是幾塊錢？ |
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1 |
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蔡局長烱民 |
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2026-03-23T10:17:52.129000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:17:55.292000+08:00 |
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我想過去這幾天臺幣的價格大概在31.5到32之間。對嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:17:55.512000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:05.320000+08:00 |
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所以我講的對啊，主委還睜眼說瞎話，還不同意我講的，你要同意我講的啊！ |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:05.320000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:06.320000+08:00 |
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沒有、沒有！ |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:05.800000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:18.289000+08:00 |
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其實我還是比較贊成央行本於職權所做很多業務上面的作為，我想這個跟委員自己的認知，當然委員可以自己有自己的認知啦，我想這部分還是尊重央行的說法。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:18.729000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:25.194000+08:00 |
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沒有，不是隨便認知啦，我就是觀察，這樣看下來的結果就是這樣嘛，進場的時候就是31.5到32，就這樣而已。是。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:25.194000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:36.704000+08:00 |
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最後一個問題，我想請教主委，黃金存摺是不是一定要有現貨？ |
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0.84 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:40.467000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:46.073000+08:00 |
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這部分我沒有辦法立刻回答，我請局長跟您做個簡單回復。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:46.173000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:50.707000+08:00 |
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好，請局長，這是屬於金管會的啊！ |
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0.769 |
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童局長政彰 |
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2026-03-23T10:18:52.748000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:02.815000+08:00 |
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對，銀行跟我們申請黃金存摺業務的部分，他們會去做相關的避險，但這個避險的對等工具是不是就是實體黃金，我們並沒有特別的規定。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:02.815000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:03.815000+08:00 |
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不、不、不！ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:03.676000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:23.013000+08:00 |
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因為現在有人跟我反映，他說他要存黃金，買黃金存摺，銀行不太賣，原因就是他們沒有現貨，因為調不到現貨，所以他們不要賣，這個是怎麼樣？ |
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0.895 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:23.013000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:26.034000+08:00 |
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我查了一下，根據你們的辦法，要有現貨才能賣喔，對吧？ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:26.034000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:29.179000+08:00 |
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局長，對吧？ |
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童局長政彰 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:29.179000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:50.149000+08:00 |
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但是銀行在實務上的操作過程裡面，如果有跟客戶約定這個黃金存摺到時候要兌領的是新臺幣的話，他就不會刻意去存黃金現貨讓客戶來領，因為現貨通常都會到銀樓去買，所以銀行最主要是把它當成是一個金融商品在銷售給他的客戶。 |
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0.98 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:50.529000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:51.970000+08:00 |
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這樣子等於銀行買空賣空喔！ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:51.970000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:52.970000+08:00 |
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照理講，黃金存摺就真的要有黃金才能夠賣啊，不然你是賣假的喔？ |
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0 |
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童局長政彰 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:52.910000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:19:54.031000+08:00 |
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他是把它當成是一個金融商品。 |
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0.923 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:07.207000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:13.611000+08:00 |
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我知道，可是還是要有東西啊，不然，比如我買了黃金存摺，結果發現沒有現貨，你是騙我，不能這個樣子，你們有沒有要…… |
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0.489 |
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童局長政彰 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:14.812000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:28.902000+08:00 |
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但是他是鎖定那個價格，也就是當他在跟客戶說明的時候，就是到時候可能他也會用現貨來交割，但他也可以用貨幣來交割，所以最主要是一個投資的金融商品。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:29.242000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:38.894000+08:00 |
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如果客戶不要，客戶就是要那個感覺，他要實體黃金，你要給他啊！ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:39.375000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:40.456000+08:00 |
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不是這樣嗎？ |
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0.8 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:40.456000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:41.456000+08:00 |
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局長，我就問你是不是？ |
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童局長政彰 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:40.456000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:56.252000+08:00 |
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這個部分還是要回歸契約上是怎麼設計的，因為通常一般民眾來做黃金存摺，可能是要保有黃金價格增值的利益，所以，如果黃金今天飆漲上去了，他不見得要提領實體黃金。 |
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0.986 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:20:58.434000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:21:03.298000+08:00 |
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好，這個就清楚了，所以銀行賣黃金存摺不一定有黃金。 |
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0.909 |
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彭主任委員金隆 |
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2026-03-23T10:21:04.999000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:21:09.583000+08:00 |
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委員，有關這個細節，我會請銀行局準備一個完整的說明，再給委員參考。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-03-23T10:21:10.944000+08:00 |
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2026-03-23T10:21:11.304000+08:00 |
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好吧，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-23T10:21:11.804000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-23T10:21:14.375429+08:00 |
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接下來請陳玉珍委員。 |
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