| IVOD_ID |
167708 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167708 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-19T10:46:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-19T10:56:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ddc1636ead3b8e598e4bcfa25caee8e59f861acbcf5e15015e5c86e8186f6cede744949ebbc1455f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:46:23 - 10:56:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請考試院秘書長、考選部部長、銓敘部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
【3月18日及19日兩天一次會】） |
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主席在正式開始前先跟主席做個詢問跟建議啦我看到我們那個考試院業務報告概況報告及立法計畫那因為呢我們的憲法體制五院是平等的 |
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那因為立法院向行政院向立法院負責所以我們司法法治委員會只要是行政院的部會來當然是用概況報告跟做立法的一個報告但是因為考試院跟我們是平行單位是否考慮考慮說以後這個業務報告變成介紹 |
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他跟我們介紹業務然後他是跟我們對立法計畫的說明啦因為畢竟我們今天不是在對他們進行質詢我們是在因為我們要了解立法所以需要他們來幫我們做個說明只是一個建議啦可以參考我想我們這個部分之後跟竹民我們這邊再來討論一下因為這好像也是行之多年的慣例 |
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其實我在當召委的時候我有注意不過沒關係 這個很尊重召委也希望司法法治委員會能夠考量一下因為五院是平等的好 那我們就來邀請我們的這個劉秘書長還有施部長還有這個蔡主任委員來幫我們做個介紹我們了解你們的立法計畫 |
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委員長好 秘書長好 部長好 主委好請教一下秘書長今年是馬年嘛馬有很多種馬嘛 今年是哪一種馬下一頁是丙午馬嘛 對不對丙午嘛齁 丙午馬年那你有沒有聽過甲午有嗎齁你覺得甲午比較好還是丙午比較好甲比較好還是丙比較好 |
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沒有差別啊 天干地支嘛我小時候的學校很小我國小只有四個班啊我是念丙班的啊那甲班的同學是不是比我好也沒有啊我大學那個考那個選擇題ABCDEABCDE哪一個答案最好 |
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也沒有A比較好啊 都填A嗎對不對 更何況我家隔壁鄰居的孩子他念醫學系 我是念歷史系我就問媽媽說 媽媽他醫學系沒有了不起他是丙組的 我是乙組的好歹還贏他一個組 有沒有道理 |
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沒有道理嘛所以不管ABCD加一餅它根本不是一個什麼高下的順序嘛小時候我們拿國小成績單我拿到什麼我拿到算數優國語良體育可勞作劣那是不是很清楚表達我的能力那請問我們公務人員的考積怎麼表達來下一頁聽到乙等炸鍋啊乙不好嗎我是乙組的 |
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民主黨 了解我的意思齁你們的考計法是不是要改變一下真實的去反映工人員的表現有嗎 可以考慮一下嗎是 這個也是我們要處理的重點謝謝 謝謝我想我是說因為 文組的比較咬文嚼字啦齁我們請教一個問題齁台中地院一等懲處 結果炸鍋是被懲處人炸的鍋嗎 不是啦是被懲處的這個 被一等的懲處他是怎樣 詐騙犯 判刑 忘了執行 |
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還被監察院糾正結果回到機關懲處考慮疑等你知道誰不服嗎跟這一個司法官同時期考慮疑等的司法官都不服啊他這樣子都疑等那我疑等算什麼民主黨你會不會覺得這樣好像有點不公平你也知道我們公會機關有沒有輪流刺激的部分有嘛有些機關叫做交互吞掉你有沒有聽過交互吞掉 |
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因為我們的比例嘛就是最差的那兩個人只有一定要有一個是乙等嘛所以今年我明年你我們就交互蹲跳嘛那會不會影響到我的機關調動升遷我們有啊我們都常常我在地方政府當副首長的時候常常要調動升遷過去三年不能有兩年以上考慮乙等嘛那我交互蹲跳我根本不好意思那三年或兩年是蹲乙那我就不能做啦有沒有這個情況 |
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所以我今天聽你們這個業務的介紹我也很好奇說你們的修法計畫怎麼樣來吸引優秀的人才你們修法計畫打算怎麼做請部長來說明各位報告方向向大概您剛剛提的東西我們都不會做 |
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就不會去往那個方向走所以往好的方向好那我們好的方向來我們目前就是會用什麼優良可略這類的方式我們大概會用三個概念就是分成三個也不會固定比例很好那你們有沒有考慮過去好的跟普通的考機獎金只差0.5個月這個會不會調整這個也都在討論的範圍是我們來看一下來 |
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我們最近棒球熱狼如果說我現在職棒球員啦打全壘打拿勝投拿MVP奪冠貢獻程度不同嘛如果說職棒球員說來中夏比尼球員有上場的一律激勵金一百塊如果K出的全壘打多兩百塊我會去爭取打全壘打嗎你知道意思齁所以我們跳危來看齁所以目前呢我們覺得你會覺得這樣的一個差距不足以激勵公務員的士氣 |
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差距這麼小有沒有可能有多一點把他差距拉大讓他感受有一點比較強烈應該這樣講 委員那個老師我先講這個前一陣子我們考試院通過一個激勵辦法是我們先希望用激勵辦法平時讓主管就有經費對於表現好的公務同仁隨時就可以不要只用年終的考試獎金 |
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我們應該走這兩個方式一起來處理這樣才是一個比較完整即使獎勵比那個年終耶但年終我們一樣會處理這個部分所以你們包括我這邊寫的取消了甲等的三就是網路平台嘛對不對第二個有人提議說把這個機率呢擴大或者說經常秘書長這是代表我們考試院希望我們立法院在修法的時候能夠支持這樣的看法這是你們大院的態度嗎秘書長剛剛部長所做的這些 |
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其實我們為什麼前面是先跟院跟部先做了很多次的討論就是我們希望說院內大概對於改革方向有相當共識那現在就是在跟外部溝通當中外部溝通就是包括我們公務體系很好 |
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好來我們來看一下希望你們有機會去新加坡看一下新加坡他的積極差異化獎勵制度留住人蠶了你看有做這些有專家組成排序小組分為五個考積的等地不是加一餅丁物是可能是優良可略差什麼之類的常態各地的常態分布前5%可以拿三個月的底薪那個薪水寫錯了薪要扣你少了 |
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這個有沒有辦法來參考一下新加坡新加坡工人的待遇是很好的有沒有可能往這個方向來調待遇水準的部分他們真的是全世界算是頂尖是啊但這你們管不到啦因為這是主計跟人總啊某些獎勵的概念其實我覺得多數國家的像是對考積的評定啦他們都是在獎勵最前面的特殊表現然後肯定中間的那個部分是大多數的人 |
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那 但是尾巴該注意的人還是要把他找到是 對 最後老鼠你剛剛講了 我後面講了後面要怎麼處理 來像這些啦除了積極攬財之外呢 貸款制度同等重要嘛考紀法第八條嘛什麼之類的人呢非有這種情況不得考慮丁等 丁等就是劣啦叫太儲的啦挑撥離間啦 不聽指揮啦嚴當公務啦 平心不端啦很誇張嘛 對不對結果呢 很多這樣的情況之下怎樣 |
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如果不夠誇張還是拿平等 還是拿什麼 可啊所以到底這些用詞 法律的用詞都很抽象怎麼樣讓公務人員又說警惕最後面這些該汰除的他不會因為這樣的關係在懲處的時候就拿個可 續留部長你的看法呢 這些文字內容是不是要量化而不是只用抽象的中文 |
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我跟委員報告我們對於所謂未來一個方案除了講工作考機年度考機我們另外一塊是行為面的行為面就是走專案懲處我們把這些東西事實上都會在專案懲處裡面非常距離化什麼事情碰到機關就要及時處理所以專案懲處後所留下的平時的紀錄在年終考機的時候就可以量化來處理還是會反映好 最後呢 來 |
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所以最後請民主黨跟部長是不是支持我們一個月內提出這些內容那為什麼我請主委上來呢因為我覺得今天部長跟主委都是學界出身我希望你們在提供我這些資料的時候能夠勾結一下在保訓會因為保訓會裡面處理會會有兩種情況 |
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一種是的確是那種烤雞該很差的他的申訴沒有效一種是呢的確有冤枉的那你們把這兩種情況勾結回他當時機關的原烤雞去對照就能抓出說怎麼樣的烤雞是如實如質的可不可以部長 主委可以協助嗎這是要我們跨部會來協助 |
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對 我想跟委員報告 我想我剛剛已經報告了 部裡面大概下禮拜最晚這個月底我們會正式公告 徵詢意見把我們所有的想法 條文具體都已經報告了我的意思是說還包括去參考我們保訓會去跟他們申訴的 可能有些過當的或不足的你們也都可以主委 表達一下跟委員報告 這沒有問題是好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝主委也謝謝秘書長 謝謝 |