| IVOD_ID |
167663 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167663 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T10:53:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T11:05:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
何欣純 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:53:20 - 11:05:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長及國家科學及技術委員會主任委員就「落實臺灣AI治理與基礎建設，發展臺灣AI軟體產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席林俊憲召委 我們是會請部長 宜靜部長我們請中華部林部長 |
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部長好我想今天的這個題目那我把定位強化台灣AI治理基礎建設全力發展台中AI軟硬體產業那第一個部分呢其實我是想問比較有關民生的問題尤其大家對數位發展部期許很深的是有關這個防止詐騙打擊詐騙 |
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尤其在這個打詐國家隊裡面數位發展部是非常重要的一個部會那層出不窮連我自己本人也被代言了也被偽造了那也在不知不覺當中怎麼會服務處會接到有人打電話來說何新淳你賣那個衣服賣到哪裡來我放一段影片給你看是 |
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以前大家覺得琵琶就是直接吃其實琵琶大麵竹鹽甘草才最大程度發揮它的作用含有豐富的維生素胡蘿蔔素30纖維我長這聲音有點像我吧很像我第一次自己聽到看到這個影片聽到 |
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這聲音怎麼那麼像我啊我嚇了一跳你知道嗎然後呢我仔細的看連那個表情都還會跟著動然後呢好像是真的我自己在講話在推銷這一個產品一樣不過再仔細看久一點 |
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發現聲音到後來稍微有點不太一樣了第二個他的影片的製造確實有一些短髮髮型之間的變動看出來是剪輯的或者是AI生成的但是一般民眾並不會像我因為我是被害者所以我很認真的在看這個影片才知道這個跟我不太一樣一般人看不清楚 |
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所以我在第一時間人家告訴我說你在代言我要想買琵琶我說沒有沒有我要澄清的時候我馬上第一個報案第二個我也 |
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發圖卡 拋文也在地方的各個群組裡面告訴說核心純沒有代言任何產品這是假的我支持我們太平生產的琵琶農特產品我絕對全力支持也願意行銷代言但是呢絕對不能像這樣子被這個冒名然後代言所謂的竹鹽琵琶而且我看到 |
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在彰化有民眾真的去買了你看他在手機上顯示他真的去訂購了訂購來之後呢上面是簡體字的一個產品是那我現在要說的是這個網路詐騙冒名代言層出不窮下架的速度我認為趕不上下一頁為什麼我認為啊以前大家覺得 |
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來下一頁因為第一個我說我有報案警政署還有呢調查局我有報案那他們跟速發部之間的一個通報的下架速度可不可以更快這第一個我的問題第二個這個 |
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我的那個影片聽說還在網路上流傳這個我不知道怎麼可以徹底的清除掉我不知道這要問專業第二個我發現一個問題我如果是一般民眾我發現我被詐騙了我被冒名了那請問一下我到底是通報165還是通報這個數位發展部的網站通報查詢網 |
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這兩個是不一樣的喔不同的管道不同的功能但是對一般民眾來講是搞不清楚的所以我如果通報了165那到底你的網站的通報查詢網有沒有或者是我上網查了網站通報網那我165這邊我是不是要再重複再去通報 |
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是跟委員說明一下基本上我們跟內政部警政署的分工是這樣是說內政部警政署那個165的這個網站基本上是報案所謂報案就是說犯必須已經有犯罪事實了才他們才受理那我們這個速發部這個網站通話查詢網我們是處理所有可疑的網路的詐騙訊息 |
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所以如果那個委員這邊看到訪茂您的這個訊息趕快就把那個網址貼到我們這邊那我們這邊我們的目標就是要加快處理速度那我們通常是在24小時之內就可以可是部長這樣子不對啊這個就是我認為不合理或是不夠好的地方啊我今天通報了165 |
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那我事實上真的就是被冒名啊被冒名了之後也確實有人受到詐騙也好或者是買到他不該買的東西拿到的東西不是他預期的東西那165到底我通報了之後能不能馬上就立案你剛剛講的變成是要立案了之後才能夠做下面的承諾 |
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沒有沒有直接是先用我們的網站通報查詢網隨時手機拿出來隨時都可以報案就不用先去165那邊可是現在一般民眾會發生一個confuse的地方我到了你的網站通報網的時候我通報了我還是要另外再跟165通報因為你們兩個是不同的通報系統你們兩個通報系統的資訊是沒有對接的 |
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所謂的沒有對接呢它影響的是什麼我認為如果各部會的相關的通報網絡可以對接的話你們的大數據是可以互相的一個聯繫然後互相的比對那才能夠 |
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徹底的把這個網絡銜接起來不僅僅是我冒名賣那個所謂的東西啦或是被冒名啦去被詐騙啦或者是呢這個打廣告我是第一個嘛名人招盜用打廣告嘛那有的還有什麼假打工真詐騙啦販賣仿冒商品啦甚至愛情詐騙等等嘛對不對我是建議啦警政署今天也有來啦 |
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你速發部可不可以跟警政署把你們網站的通報查詢網跟165的通報資訊你們如何對接還有這一個大數據如何比對這個可以擴大防護網 |
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還有增加民眾的便利性跟保障權益能夠及時完全同意好不好沒有問題因為這個整個打造是由內政部的那個打造中心做協調指揮的那我們是有他們有就我們抒發部分配到的工作是這個那我們當然會跟內政部的做密切溝通那希望就是說跟我們也非常希望所有這些資訊都是串流在一起 |
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今天在講AI治理下一頁黃仁勳我想大家都知道世界經濟論壇裡面他說AI將成為最大的基礎建設他提出了一個五層蛋糕理論這個五層蛋糕論述我想 |
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大家都認為這個中央在AI的一個政策的一個大方向的一個推進那各部會統統都要努力包括今天有來的國科會跟數位發展部甚至在教育部我覺得這個AI教育各個層面都非常的重要那這個基礎建設我們就分門別類各部門要如何在這個國家的整體的這個AI的策略裡面大家各盡其職趕快佈建趕快做 |
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那最重要的蛋糕最上面的一層是應用應用將AI人力具體化體現於機器或特定的任務當中嘛這個就是台灣現在賴清的總統宣示我們是AI這個國家那卓院長AI行動內閣我們希望能做到的是台灣整體的各行各業各個產業甚至在民眾生活裡面都能夠AI化升級那當然在中間資安非常的重要安全非常的重要 |
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527.175 |
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我之所以要問這個當然剛剛有很多委員在講投資算力的算力中心的問題你也回答到說有我們要怎麼樣的來鼓勵民間投資加上政府的加碼那AI的模型要在地化我們又如何的來在地化但是我要講的另外一個是在於 |
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527.816 |
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540.592 |
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台灣我們中央政府在世界的AI裡面占了這麼重大的地位中央在積極的佈建那地方政府也要合作嘛對不對是沒錯那地方政府也要努力也要積極嘛對不對請下一頁 |
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558.254 |
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所以我認為台灣跟台中高雄台北不管是哪一個城市通通都應該在我們整體的AI的大架構下我們各司其職但是也競爭也合作 |
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587.595 |
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我看到一個新聞陳其邁現在在美國高雄亞利桑那雄本簽約打造半導體的戰略三角他是城市競爭他也是城市合作因為呢利用台灣的優勢我們如何讓台灣的這個優勢在世界的高科技產業AI產業佔有重要的地位所以我認為一個觀念是我們是大腦也是身體因為為什麼我提這句話 |
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588.616 |
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我昨天聽到有人說台中應該這樣講昨天有人這樣講我要還原啦先還原一下這個台北是AI大腦台中是打造AI身體然後說要怎麼樣合作 |
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我覺得城市之間大腦跟身體是主從之關係城市之間沒有主從之分啦城市之間是既競爭又合作啦我不認同他昨天講的那一句話啦我認為台中既是大腦也是 |
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打造身體在台中現在在優勢的一個精密的一個製造AI相關產業的製造能力裡面在這個基礎之上我台中也是AI的大腦啊我們要全力的來做跟中央一起合作能夠打造一個AI大腦AI身體 |
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我台中是一個完整的AI主體性的一個進步城市是這個才是我們台中的願景所以我今天要來跟部長是希望未來中央在有關AI產業的這一個部分 |
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希望能夠多多的看到台中支持台中那讓中央的資源我台中也希望跟中央合作我們能夠打造一個真正的一個台灣在世界AI產業的 |
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無可取代的地位,而台中在台灣也能夠成為那個無可取代的城市,可以嗎?是,沒有問題,如中委員所知道,我也來自於產業界,我也是台中人,我有很多軟體業的朋友,一些大佬們都是來自於台中,那我們都覺得說台中的氣候宜人,生活環境非常好,是一個非常適合軟體產業發展的地方。 |
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711.946 |
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是啊因為台積電在台中也有投資啊台積電在台中現在的二廠土地問題也解決了啊而且預計要用最快的時間來生產高階的晶片啊那我們有硬體我們也有軟體的人才只是我們地方中央需要再合作再加碼投資讓我剛剛講的台中在台灣的這個AI的相關的高科技產業裡面我們能夠 |
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739.139 |
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全力發展台中的AI軟硬題材業 好不好好 沒問題好 謝謝 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:27.105000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席、林俊憲召委。 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:28.888000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:29.409000+08:00 |
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請宜敬部長。 |
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0.6 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:30.632000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:31.092000+08:00 |
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請數發部林部長。 |
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0.714 |
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林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-18T10:53:31.092000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:36.106000+08:00 |
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何委員早安。 |
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0 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-18T10:53:36.106000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:36.546000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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1 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:36.947000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:46.375000+08:00 |
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我想今天的這個題目，我把它定位為強化臺灣AI治理與基礎建設，全力發展臺中AI軟硬體產業。 |
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0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:53:46.575000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:54:04.688000+08:00 |
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第一個部分其實我是想問比較有關民生的問題，大家對於數位發展部期許很深的是有關防止詐騙、打擊詐騙，尤其在打詐國家隊裡面，數位發展部是非常重要的一個部會。 |
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0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-18T10:54:05.429000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:54:21.154000+08:00 |
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然而，層出不窮，連我自己本人也被代言了、偽造了，在不知不覺當中，怎麼會服務處會接到有人打電話來說，何欣純，你在賣的那個枇杷要去哪裡買？ |
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0.814 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-18T10:54:21.154000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:54:22.215000+08:00 |
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我放一段影片給你看。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-18T10:54:22.215000+08:00 |
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1 |
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（播放影片） |
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0 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:54:34.757000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:54:36.238000+08:00 |
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部長，這聲音有點像我吧！很像。 |
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0.917 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:54:36.578000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:54:39.962000+08:00 |
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我第一次聽到、看到這個影片的時候覺得，哎！ |
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0.667 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-18T10:54:41.924000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:54:42.825000+08:00 |
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這聲音怎麼那麼像我？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-18T10:54:43.626000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-18T10:54:45.888000+08:00 |
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我嚇了一跳，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-18T10:54:45.888000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:54:56.020000+08:00 |
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然後我仔細的看，連那個表情都還會跟著動，好像是真的我自己在講話、推銷這個產品。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-18T10:54:57.061000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-18T10:55:03.764000+08:00 |
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不過，再仔細看久一點就發現，聲音到後來稍微有點不太一樣了。 |
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0.962 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:55:04.244000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:55:28.256000+08:00 |
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第二個，它的影片製造確實有一些短髮髮型之間的變動，看得出來是剪輯的，或者是AI生成的，但是一般民眾不會像我一樣，因為我是被害者，所以我很認真看這個影片，才知道這個跟我不太一樣，但一般人看不清楚。是。 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:55:28.789000+08:00 |
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所以我在第一時間，人家告訴我說，哎，你在代言，我想買枇杷，我說沒有、沒有，我要澄清的時候，第一個，我馬上報案；第二個，我也發圖卡、po文，也在地方的各個群組告訴大家說，何欣純沒有代言任何產品，這是假的，我支持我們太平生產的枇杷、農特產品，我絕對全力支持也願意行銷、代言，但是絕對不能像這樣子被冒名，代言所謂的竹鹽枇杷。 |
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0.883 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:56:06.838000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:56:19.372000+08:00 |
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而且我看到彰化有民眾真的去買了，你看他手機上顯示的，他真的去訂購了，訂購來之後，上面是簡體字的產品。 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-18T10:56:21.734000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:56:30.439000+08:00 |
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我現在要說的是，網路詐騙、冒名代言層出不窮，我認為趕不上下架的速度。 |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-18T10:56:32.761000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:56:47.967000+08:00 |
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再來，我認為第一個，警政署還有調查局那裡我有報案，他們跟數發部之間通報的下架速度可不可以更快？ |
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0.884 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-18T10:56:48.849000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:57:10.923000+08:00 |
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這是我的第一個問題；第二個，那個影片聽說還在網路上流傳，我不知道如何可以澈底的清除掉，我不知道啦，這要問專業的，而且我發現一個問題，如果我是一般民眾，我發現我被詐騙了、我被冒名了，請問一下，我到底是通報165？ |
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0.878 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-18T10:57:10.923000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:57:12.024000+08:00 |
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還是通報數位發展部的網詐通報查詢網？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-18T10:57:17.968000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:57:18.689000+08:00 |
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這兩個是不一樣的哦！ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T10:57:18.689000+08:00 |
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1 |
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是不一樣。 |
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0 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:57:19.369000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:57:29.376000+08:00 |
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不同的管道、不同的功能，但是一般民眾是搞不清楚的，所以我如果通報了165，到底你的網詐通報查詢網有沒有？ |
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0.977 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:57:30.037000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:57:36.942000+08:00 |
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或者是我上網查了網詐通報網，那165是不是要再重複通報？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T10:57:38.774000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:12.037000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明一下，基本上，我們跟內政部警政署的分工是，內政部警政署165這個網站基本上是報案，所謂的報案就是必須已經有犯罪事實，他們才受理，而我們數發部網詐通報查詢網是處理所有可疑的網路的詐騙訊息，所以如果委員看到仿冒您的訊息，趕快把那個網址貼到我們這邊，我們的目標就是要加快處理速度，我們通常是在24小時之內就可以…… |
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0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-18T10:58:12.057000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:13.138000+08:00 |
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可是部長，這樣子不對啊！ |
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1 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:13.979000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:17.100000+08:00 |
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這就是我認為不合理或是不夠好的地方。 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:17.881000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:36.821000+08:00 |
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我今天通報了165，我事實上真的就是被冒名了，被冒名了之後也確實有人受到詐騙也好，或者是買到他不該買的東西，或拿到的東西不是他預期的東西，那我通報165之後，到底能不能馬上立案？ |
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0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:37.361000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:41.526000+08:00 |
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你剛剛講的變成是要立案了之後才能夠做下面的程序。 |
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0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:41.806000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:48.811000+08:00 |
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沒有、沒有，直接先用我們的網詐通報查詢網，隨時手機拿出來，隨時都可以報案，不用先去165那邊。 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T10:58:48.811000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:59:02.502000+08:00 |
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可是現在一般民眾會發生一個confuse的地方，我到了你的網詐通報網的時候通報了，我還是要另外再跟165通報，因為你們兩個是不同的通報系統，你們兩個通報系統的資訊是沒有對接的哦！是。 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-18T10:59:06.745000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:59:09.529000+08:00 |
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所謂的沒有對接，它影響的是什麼？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-18T10:59:09.529000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:59:43.512000+08:00 |
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我認為如果各部會相關的通報網絡可以對接的話，你們的大數據是可以互相聯繫，互相比對，才能夠澈底把網絡銜接起來，不僅僅是我被冒名賣那個東西，或是被冒名、被詐騙，或者是打廣告，我是第一個名人遭盜用打廣告，還有假打工真詐騙、販賣仿冒商品，甚至愛情詐騙等等，對不對？是。 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-18T10:59:43.512000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-18T10:59:45.613000+08:00 |
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我是建議，警政署今天也有來。對。 |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-18T10:59:47.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-18T10:59:48.374000+08:00 |
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數發部可不可以跟警政署對接？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-18T10:59:48.834000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:59:53.235000+08:00 |
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你們的網詐通報查詢網跟165的通報資訊是如何對接？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-18T10:59:53.455000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-18T11:00:08.540000+08:00 |
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還有大數據如何比對，這可以擴大防護網，還有增加民眾的便利性及保障權益能夠及時。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-18T11:00:08.540000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-18T11:00:08.920000+08:00 |
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完全同意，完全同意。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-18T11:00:09.760000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-18T11:00:10.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
以最快的速度，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-18T11:00:10.260000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:00:27.885000+08:00 |
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沒有問題，因為整個打詐是由內政部的打詐中心協調指揮的，數發部分配到的工作是這個部分，我們當然會跟內政部做密切溝通，我們也非常希望所有資訊都是串流在一起的。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-18T11:00:27.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-18T11:00:29.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
再拜託，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-18T11:00:29.146000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-18T11:00:30.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
沒有問題，非常謝謝。 |
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0 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-18T11:00:30.407000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:00:44.860000+08:00 |
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接下來，今天在講AI治理，大家都知道黃仁勳在世界經濟論壇上說AI將成為最大的基礎建設，他提出了一個五層蛋糕理論。 |
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0.846 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-18T11:00:44.860000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:01:05.653000+08:00 |
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關於這個五層蛋糕論述，大家都認為在中央AI政策的大方向推進上面，各部會統統都要努力，包括今天有來的國科會及數位發展部，甚至是教育部，我覺得AI教育在各個層面都非常重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-18T11:01:06.854000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:01:15.859000+08:00 |
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我們把基礎建設分門別類，各部門要如何在國家整體AI策略裡面各盡其職，趕快布建、趕快做。 |
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0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-18T11:01:18.400000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:01:43.452000+08:00 |
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最重要的、蛋糕最上面的那一層是應用，應用將AI能力具體化，體現於機器或特定任務當中，這就是現在賴清德總統宣示的，我們臺灣是AI國家，卓院長是AI行動內閣，我們希望做到的是臺灣整體各行各業、各個產業、甚至在民眾生活裡面都能夠AI化升級。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-18T11:01:43.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-18T11:01:44.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
完全同意。 |
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0 |
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何委員欣純 |
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2026-03-18T11:01:43.832000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:02:04.332000+08:00 |
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當然這中間資安非常重要，安全非常重要，我之所以會問這個，因為剛剛有很多委員在講投資算力中心的問題，你也回答有，你們要怎麼樣鼓勵民間投資，加上政府的加碼，AI模型要在地化，你們又要如何在地化。 |
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0.919 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-18T11:02:04.853000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:02:17.788000+08:00 |
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但是我要講的另外一個問題在於，臺灣在世界AI裡面占了這麼重大的地位，中央在積極布建，地方政府也要合作，對不對？沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.942 |
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何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-18T11:02:17.929000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:02:51.244000+08:00 |
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地方政府也要努力、也要積極，所以我認為臺中、高雄、臺北不管是哪一個城市，統統都應該在整體AI大架構下各司其職，但是也競爭、也合作，我看到一個新聞，陳其邁現在在美國，高雄、亞利桑那、熊本簽約打造半導體戰略三角，它是城市競爭，它也是城市合作。 |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-18T11:02:51.844000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:03:06.575000+08:00 |
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因為利用臺灣的優勢，我們如何讓臺灣的優勢在世界高科技產業、AI產業占有重要的地位，所以，我認為有一個觀念是我們是大腦、也是身體。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-18T11:03:06.955000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-18T11:03:07.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
為什麼我會提這句話？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-18T11:03:08.616000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:03:33.726000+08:00 |
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我昨天聽到有人這樣講，我要神還原一下，有人說臺北是AI大腦，臺中是打造AI身體，還說到要怎麼樣合作，我覺得大腦和身體是主從之關係，城市之間沒有主從之分。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-18T11:03:33.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-18T11:03:34.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
完全同意。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-18T11:03:34.787000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:04:36.537000+08:00 |
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城市之間是既競爭又合作，我不認同他昨天講的那一句話，我認為臺中既是大腦也是打造身體，臺中現在占優勢的精密製造、AI相關產業的製造能力裡面，在這個基礎之上，臺中也是AI的大腦，我們要全力跟中央一起合作，打造一個AI大腦、AI身體，臺中是一個完整的AI主體性進步城市，這個才是我們臺中的願景，所以我今天要跟部長講，未來中央在有關AI產業的這個部分，希望能夠多多的看到臺中、支持臺中。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-18T11:04:36.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-18T11:04:37.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-18T11:04:37.598000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:04:56.317000+08:00 |
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還有中央的資源，臺中也希望跟中央合作，我們能夠打造一個臺灣在世界AI產業真正無可取代的地位，而臺中在臺灣也能夠成為那一個無可取代的城市，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-18T11:04:56.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:05:12.046000+08:00 |
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沒問題，如同委員所知道的，我也來自於產業界，我也是臺中人，我有很多軟體業的朋友們，一些大老們都是來自於臺中，我們都覺得臺中的氣候宜人，生活環境非常好，是一個非常適合軟體產業發展的地方。是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-18T11:05:12.226000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:05:42.222000+08:00 |
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因為台積電在臺中也有投資，台積電現在在臺中二廠的土地問題也解決了，而且預計要用最快的時間來生產高階晶片，我們有硬體、也有軟體的人才，只是地方中央需要再合作、再加碼投資，讓我剛剛講的，臺中在臺灣的AI相關高科技產業裡面，能夠全力發展臺中的AI軟硬體產業，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-18T11:05:42.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:05:42.702000+08:00 |
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好，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
何委員欣純 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-18T11:05:43.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-18T11:05:45.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
拜託部長了，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-18T11:05:45.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-18T11:05:46.644857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-18T11:05:46.944857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-18T11:05:52.659143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
感謝何欣純委員強力推動臺中的AI產業，感謝。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-18T11:05:52.959143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:05:56.387714+08:00 |
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接下來邀請許智傑委員發言。 |
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0 |