| IVOD_ID |
167659 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167659 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T12:36:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T12:47:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad60531d2be04cc6a39c33d268b4a161496bd9997b7b3c5b8577b3be38506e5337c7fe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:36:05 - 12:47:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、 邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、 邀請核能安全委員會、經濟部、台灣電力股份有限公司就「我國核電廠再運轉之規劃及推動現況」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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主席,我請丹主委請陳主委上台,謝謝丹主委,你好我請教,我們國的負擔操作,在這個安全起訴過去的在世界裡面的屏蔽,所理真漂亮,是不是這樣?你有沒有了解? |
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我好像好像是好像是喔你都不敢傾聽你這樣對我們的操作這麼年輕有一個操作惡弱一個你也這麼不敢來你是怕不怕不敢不敢猜我跟你說齁我們全台灣在這個婦人運作的過程中尤其台電訓練出來的這批人員是世界一流的第一名 |
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我國的這個婦人操作啊在全世界的屏蔽是安全來的,是三明來的,超過日本所以不看歐元的規程日本的發生婦人事件,不表示台灣的發生我們的紀錄比他們減有夠多人家說四岸的水平,為了一個非核家園這個意識形態造成到今天孫氏參黨全部關掉 |
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2025達標了 中省我說2027 10月1日 老總統如果沒有重啟核電 我吃三碗牛肉麵我這一年多前就說了 因為我太了解他了2025達標了 所以現在重啟核電對西方的水平變成攏住回頭 金不還能源政策本來就是這樣 要很整理 |
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那麼來到你這邊就是要謙虔嘛謙虔你說台電的主柱安檢你看科訊多如何你們要做什麼事情你們夫妻要做什麼事情 |
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跟委員說明喔那 河岸會有訂一些執法跟審查導者那審查導者是技術層面的那可以提供給台電公司去參照好 如果這樣 你憑國 乎二手 乎三手 要通過這個安全檢驗當然 安全是參一點就不可以麻煩裡面都有幾項判決有超過一千判決 |
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有行啦 應該有一千四百幾行 最少啦每一行裡面的安全檢測 我們都不能馬虎不安全 我們就不需要這個訓練但是在這個安全過程中 你身為主管機關你只要扶你手到扶三手現在要通過這個安全檢測 做好準備他的基庭大概要多久 請你回答本席 |
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呃 現場所需要的時間還是要由台電公司規劃 我知道 就是說我告訴你 這不要吃不要吃 不吃吃不喝不要吃 你不能說你不知道嘛 |
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反悔你一定是有先做一個三八推演那這樣台電台台他的基金是一檔還是一檔四個月或者是一檔八個月那麼他按照行政來當然我如果跟他說什麼會有問題這樣可能會延長個月延四十五天不定喔 就是說你的推演的基金這個台電啊是完全Nomis全部隆重是按照規範來 |
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最近的時間 元本年有少許多久跟委員說明喔 這還是要由台電公司現場檢測的結果來講沒有你跟我說的聽不懂 全台灣人都在聽嘛你是一個主觀機構 我一定會 譬如說我要檢測台電的 我會知道台電要做到什麼時候 我會準備什麼人員請到幾個專家去檢測什麼項目你不可能不知道 你跟我說你都不知道 啊 全做台電 |
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不用怕啦 我說的而已啦 大家都不想要負責任這個時候台灣就需要負責任的人站出來別的 我們過今酒定位 過今負領債去抗假民生的壓力 專民受虧啊這個時候是做營養的時候 你還要跟我說 你不知道很可惜耶來 負三竅啦齁 |
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台電都沒有凸出 都沒有密鎖 它全部按照您原本規範裡面有機以過久的完成核安會主席一定確保核能安全的條件下台電徐副總請上台 |
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原本台電的紀委書報告上傳的時候請教你你按照若是都沒有訂單都一切順利最快 當然訂單有可能萬八天萬一天的我們知道嘛在你胸懷的情形下 多久的時間可以完成安全檢測教委員報告齁 你點點看你就會看到一條線是是是 我現在點點在給你看好 |
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基本上我們做所有的檢測跟評估都是依照美國法規,法規規定,我們叫做核能法規的概念,概念我們叫做道澤,1801-1所以它裡面有標準,有你應該怎樣的經濟經濟,包括我Token,技術 |
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基點 環境 材料 外圍設施所有這裡我告訴你 你們原本的基點多久委員你有了解但是現在目前我們遇到最大的變數我告訴你就是我設備 我做了以後這設備發現說我只存一天 兩天可以運轉而已不用啦 我設備 |
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因為在古石壁的維修原本的設計是以最低標我們知道40年代是這樣嘛 |
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可是,再多運轉,再運轉發覺設備的先手機可能三檔、兩檔、五檔,那與你們無關的那是針對科學設定檢測出來的設備當然設備出來,改動換了換,改動停了停這與你們無關,我現在是說你們所做可以再啟動 |
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會安全規則切齊完成 您的施政多久給我一個時間設備更新跟更換 其實是我主要是我在台中要做的因為我的員工都要運轉 我的眷屬也是都要送我嘛所以那部分 委員你說 比如說我訂一個名額那部分不是你可以可控的啦 來那部分算了 那部分如果正常這樣多久 |
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現在依照目前市場的行情,因為現在世界可能大家都在炒,沒問題啦,現在一個安全的MODAR就下單,下單我們當然要給它收起來,它最沒意義在那邊要炒個MODAR那有些外國人對聯邦就大 |
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我總是要檢測啊 因為我聽莫大爺的訴求到底有夠不夠你有跟共營商先報告說我們台灣已經重新啟動核能安全檢測嗎?我有你告解 我有你告解有同地說英雄嗎?目前我們不是說同地 我們有跟他詢問OK 好來 剛才我講的這個基礎如果都正常的話 你們整個會有多久? |
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要兩檔半 第二三十個月沒有兩檔半 |
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我跟大家說 我們做檢測的目標來看 我們是要可能要一年多 進兩年去做檢測通常在檢測裡面不包含 就說我檢測結果出來以後所以18個位至24個位 你是原本的設定檢測機啦 對對那麼有部分需要改建 部分需要精修 部分需要重新來的這就不是在你有測的期間裡面 沒錯 所以你 |
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十八個月至二十四個月的規定中若是這幾天可以恢復一年來恢復所以這樣就是兩年多至三年 |
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我國的這個婦人發電可以中心契用最近台電這麼怕命所有安全檢測過所以應該就是在那兩年半至三年可以中心發電我講這樣有夠精準嗎看我安全的檢測結果對啦 安全檢測我就要講的就符合你的標準嘛如果你說的3萬就2年嘛 |
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一年多兩年我給你借兩年嘛所以我們未來就是兩年多三年我們的福林發展可以重新啓發我說這樣有接近事實嗎?不不,還要我心臟的過程的時間,你要給他啊當然啦,他心臟,你怎麼做他就怎麼給你看嘛不然我再跟你說,誰人做誰人的你就做得都好,我再對前面來看 |
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我希望 和安會不能這樣啦因為這本來就可以分級檢測通過的東西 後面才有SOP的維修去做你不能說我全部 你當我都做好你還要再來 我跟你說這樣來拖差不多10個月至14個月啦 沒必要拜託 和安會這邊有聽到台電的訴求嗎有嘛 所以 董事 |
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補分完成,30%完成你就要補,40%完成就要補,50%完成就要補,讓他們先來給你看,看一看之後,他有一個安全的標準做到留情,照這樣來,到你做100%的時候,他後來來看就快了,這樣有可能就不用兩年半了喔,加油啦,大家做會怕病,好不好? |
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謝謝謝龍介委員的質詢請官員回座 |
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謝委員龍介 |
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主席，我請陳主委。 |
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主席 |
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請陳主委上臺，謝謝。 |
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謝委員龍介 |
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陳主委你好。 |
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陳主任委員明真 |
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委員好。 |
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謝委員龍介 |
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我請教一下，我國核能操作的安全係數，過去在世界上評比的數字很漂亮，是不是這樣？ |
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謝委員龍介 |
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你有沒有了解？ |
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陳主任委員明真 |
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好像是。 |
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你都不敢肯定，對於我們這麼優質的操作誇獎一下你也這麼捨不得？ |
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2026-03-18T12:36:59.710500+08:00 |
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你是對於業務比較不了解…… |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-18T12:36:59.710500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-18T12:37:03.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
我謙虛一點，不敢太…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-18T12:37:03.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-18T12:37:09.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我跟你說，臺灣在核能運作的過程中，尤其台電訓練出來這批人員是世界一流的、是第一等的。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-18T12:37:15.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-18T12:37:32.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
我國的核能操作在全世界安全評比中在三名以內，甚至超越日本，所以不要看到黑影就開槍，日本發生核能事件，並不表示臺灣會發生，我們的機率比他們少非常多。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.582 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-18T12:37:34.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-18T12:37:39.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
人家說死鴨子嘴硬，為了非核家園這個意識形態，致使今天損失慘重，全部關掉。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.656 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-18T12:37:45.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-18T12:37:59.620000+08:00 |
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2025年總算達標了，我說2027年10月以前賴總統如果沒有重啟核電，我吃三碗牛肉麵，我在一年多以前就這樣說了，因為我太了解他了。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.78 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-18T12:37:59.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-18T12:38:06.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
2025達標了，所以現在重啟核電，從死鴨子嘴硬變成浪子回頭金不換。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.654 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-18T12:38:07.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-18T12:38:22.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
能源政策本來就是這樣，要很小心，而你們就是要負責檢測，對於台電的自主安檢，你看可信度如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-18T12:38:25.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-18T12:38:25.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
你們要做什麼事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-18T12:38:26.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-18T12:38:27.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
你們輔導他們做什麼事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
高組長斌 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-18T12:38:31.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-18T12:38:41.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
跟委員說明，核安會有訂一些子法和審查導則，審查導則是針對技術層面，可以提供給台電公司參照。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.78 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-18T12:38:42.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-18T12:38:49.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
好，那你評估核二廠、核三廠要通過安全檢測，當然安全是一點點都不能馬虎，裡面總共有幾個項目？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.575 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-18T12:38:49.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-18T12:38:50.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
有超過一千項嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-18T12:39:00.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-18T12:39:25.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
細項最少應該有一千四百多項，每一項裡面的安全檢測都不能馬虎，如果不安全，我們就不需要核能，但是在這個安全檢測過程中，你身為主管機關，你知道核二廠和核三廠現在為了要通過安全檢測必須做好準備，它的期程大概要多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-18T12:39:26.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-18T12:39:26.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
請你回答本席。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
高組長斌 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-18T12:39:30.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-18T12:39:32.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
現場所需要的時間還是要由台電公司規劃。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-18T12:39:32.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-18T12:39:37.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我跟你說「瞞者瞞不識、識者不能瞞」，你不能說你不知道嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.565 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-18T12:39:39.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-18T12:39:47.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
核安會一定有先做沙盤推演，那麼台電的期程是1年還是1年4個月？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.577 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-18T12:39:47.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-18T12:39:48.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
或是1年8個月？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-18T12:39:49.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-18T12:40:08.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
它按照申請程序來，當然如果有跟它說什麼地方有問題，這樣可能會延2個月或延45天不等，就是說，依你們推演的期程，台電如果完全no miss，全部都是按照規範來，最快的時間，原本你們預測是多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.659 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
高組長斌 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-18T12:40:08.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-18T12:40:09.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
跟委員說明，這還是要由台電公司現場檢測的結果來看。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-18T12:40:09.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-18T12:40:09.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
沒有啦，你這樣的說法我就聽不下去，全臺灣的人都在聽嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-18T12:40:09.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-18T12:40:11.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
你是一個主管機關，譬如說，我要檢測台電，我知道台電在那裡做到什麼程度的時候，我要準備什麼人員，請幾個專家去檢測，你不可能不知道，你告訴我說你都不知道，尊重台電。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-18T12:40:38.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-18T12:40:56.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
不用怕，我告訴你，大家都不想負責任，這個時候臺灣就是需要負責任的人站出來，我們趕快就定位，趕快核能再啟，降低民生的壓力，全民受惠，這時候是做英雄的時候，你卻告訴我你不知道，很可惜。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-18T12:40:57.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:09.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
來，我們來說核三廠，如果台電都沒有「突槌」，都沒有miss，全部按照你們原本的規範，你們預期它多久可以完成？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.435 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-18T12:41:09.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:11.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
核安會的職責是一定要在確保核能安全的這個條件下，儘快…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-18T12:41:11.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:12.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
台電的人員有來嗎？來，請。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-18T12:41:11.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:11.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
台電許副總請上臺。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-18T12:41:34.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:42.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我請教你，原本台電的計畫書送出的時候，按照計畫書，如果完全沒有出差錯，都一切順利，最快多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.475 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-18T12:41:42.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:44.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
當然有可能晚半年、晚一年，這我們知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-18T12:41:45.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:47.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
在最理想化的情況下，多久的時間可以完成安全檢測？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-18T12:41:47.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:49.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
跟委員報告，你靜靜看就可以看到一條線。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-18T12:41:49.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:50.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
是是是，我現在靜靜在看你。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-18T12:41:51.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-18T12:41:51.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-18T12:42:06.198000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-18T12:42:19.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
委員，基本上，我們做所有的檢測跟評估都是依照美國法規，美國有個法規Regulatory Guides，我們都叫做核能法規的guideline，是照導則1801下去做，裡面有標準，指出你應該要怎麼做的程序。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.494 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-18T12:42:20.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-18T12:42:31.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我知道，包括土建、機組、機電、環境、材料、外圍設施等。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-18T12:42:32.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-18T12:42:35.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
所有這些，我請問你，你們原本預定的期程是多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-18T12:42:36.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-18T12:42:36.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
委員，你有了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-18T12:42:37.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-18T12:42:44.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
但是現在目前我們遇到最大的變數，我剛才有說，就是設備，做了這個設備以後，我發現只剩一年、兩年可以運轉，我當然要換。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.66 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-18T12:42:44.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-18T12:42:56.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
不用，因為舊設備的維修，原本的設計是以最低標，我們這個40年是這樣嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-18T12:43:00.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-18T12:43:27.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
如果再度運轉時發覺設備的承受期可能是三年、二年、五年，這與你們無關，那是針對科學設定檢測出來的設備，當然設備出來，該換就換，該停就停，這與你們無關，我現在是說你們所做的可以再啟動的安全測試完成，你們的時程是多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.726 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-18T12:43:27.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-18T12:43:28.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
給我一個時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-18T12:43:28.943000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-18T12:43:39.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
設備更新跟更換，其實主要是台電要做的，因為我的員工在那邊運轉，我的眷屬也都在那裡生活，但是委員，比如說，你訂一個東西…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.712 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-18T12:43:39.853000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-18T12:43:43.236000+08:00 |
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那部分不是你可控的，那部分如果正常，要多久？ |
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0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-18T12:43:52.272000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-18T12:43:58.716000+08:00 |
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依照目前市場的行情，因為現在世界核能大家都在搶。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-18T12:43:58.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:04.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
對，大家都在搶，連燃料棒也都在搶了！ |
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0.067 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:04.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:10.808000+08:00 |
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我簡單講，一個安全的馬達，我們下單，當年給我們的數字是這樣最少的leadung time要3年。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:10.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:16.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你們預定要多久才可以向燃料棒下單？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:16.854000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:22.716000+08:00 |
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我總是要檢測啊，因為要看馬達的壽期到底夠不夠。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:22.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:27.358000+08:00 |
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你有先跟供應商報告說我們臺灣已經重新啟動核能安全檢測嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:31.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:31.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我們有在估計…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:31.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:32.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
有通知廠商嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:32.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:33.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
有通知供應商嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:31.300000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:32.320000+08:00 |
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不是說通知，我們有向他詢價。OK。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:33.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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2026-03-18T12:44:35.421000+08:00 |
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好，剛才我跟你說的，這些機組都正常的話，你們規劃要多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:44.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:47.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
要兩年半，要30個月嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-18T12:44:50.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-18T12:44:59.460000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，我們做檢測，目前來看，我們是要一年半至兩年的時間做檢測，當初的檢測沒有包含…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.641 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-18T12:45:01.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-18T12:45:05.021000+08:00 |
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所以18個月至24個月是原本設定的檢測期？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-18T12:45:05.861000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-18T12:45:13.862000+08:00 |
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有部分需要改建，部分需要整修，部分需要重新來，這不是在你們預測的期間裡面？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-18T12:45:13.982000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-18T12:45:14.203000+08:00 |
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沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-18T12:45:14.203000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T12:45:29.068000+08:00 |
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所以在這18個月至24個月的過程中，如果這些問題可以在一年內克服，那就是兩年半至三年，我國的核能發電可以重新啟用。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.592 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-18T12:45:31.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-18T12:45:41.094000+08:00 |
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也就是說，台電很努力，所有安全檢測過，應該就是在兩年半至三年可以重新發電，我說這樣夠精準嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.732 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-18T12:45:41.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-18T12:45:44.275000+08:00 |
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看安全檢測的結果。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-18T12:45:44.275000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T12:45:58.503000+08:00 |
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就像我跟你說的，符合你的標準嘛，如果像你說的，最慢就是兩年，一年半至兩年，我給你抓的時間是兩年，所以我們未來就是兩年半至三年核能發電可以重新啟用，我說這樣有接近事實嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-18T12:45:58.623000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-18T12:45:59.663000+08:00 |
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沒有，還有核安會審查過程的時間，你要給他啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-18T12:45:59.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-18T12:46:01.264000+08:00 |
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當然，他們要審查，你們一邊做，他們就一邊看你們做嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.409 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-18T12:46:01.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-18T12:46:27.734000+08:00 |
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我跟你說，不要再各做各的，等你們都做好了他們才從頭重新來看，我希望核安會不要這樣，因為這本來就可以分期檢測，通過的東西後面照SOP的維修去做，不能說等台電全部都做好你再來審查，我跟你說，這樣拖下去差不多要耗時10個月至14個月，沒有必要。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.705 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-18T12:46:27.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-18T12:46:29.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
拜託，核安會這邊有聽到台電的訴求嗎？有嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-18T12:46:29.234000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-18T12:46:57.203000+08:00 |
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所以完成30%，你們就要報，完成40%你們又再報，完成50%又再報，請他們先來看，看完以後，他們有一個安全的標準作業流程，照這樣來，等你做到100%的時候，他們後面再來看的時程就快了，這樣就有可能不用兩年半。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
謝委員龍介 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-18T12:46:57.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-18T12:46:58.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
加油，大家一起打拚，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-18T12:47:07.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-18T12:47:10.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
謝謝謝龍介委員的質詢，請官員回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-18T12:47:10.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-18T12:47:15.917857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
今天最後一位質詢的委員，有請蔡易餘委員。 |
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0 |