| IVOD_ID |
167636 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167636 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T11:51:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T11:59:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad6053a69b33bb09ba4e0675f3d6415d2a29ea997b7b3c5b8577b3d4923c6205c677e65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:51:34 - 11:59:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長及國家科學及技術委員會主任委員就「落實臺灣AI治理與基礎建設，發展臺灣AI軟體產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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有請那個林部長請林部長 |
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餵你好我想節省時間大概我就快一點速發部主管的是我們的軟體產業是想要問一下從過去到現在來講的話因為我也在法蘭待過很多年20幾年其實我們一直觀察整個在軟體業界來講的話是重硬輕軟尤其在預算分配的比喻上 |
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是非常的極度的您指的是那個使用者還是開發者硬體產業我唸給你聽從你晶片系統的國家發展NPC代半導體等等的這總共的經費大概是3175億這我還是稍微低過一點軟體的總投入預算在政府的預算大概我稍微還高過一點是1400多億 |
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那事實上來講這是極度的失衡那我想要問的因為過去在前女政法署長的時候有爭取軟體的一個國家的一個請的一個計畫那不曉得現在這一個還有沒有在規劃當中跟委員報告那個我一直相信軟體產業的創新突破與發展必須來自於民間的自由公平的競爭而不是來自於由政府主導的 |
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所以你說硬體的政府主導計畫是錯的這個事情我們可以討論因為台積電的發展到底是政府主導還是民間的自己的力量我想我們去業界去問一下不用說矽光子的發展 |
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這當然要啊對啊可是我剛才講的是軟體產業的創新突破與發展我講的不是引體產業的創新突破與發展你現在是要負責台灣軟體產業的發展那你來不去做軟體策略的規劃辦做什麼我當然有在做軟體產業的規劃我今天一整天都在講這件事情我今天不是在問你嗎所以你的預算失衡我是說你是不是可以多爭取一點是你計畫寫得不好還是你爭取不利啊我們因為去年我們那個素產署提了40億的那個預算被砍到20億 |
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是國科會砍還是我們砍 你們砍的啊砍的叫做軟體研發素產署 這個是不是請素產署來說明一下不用啦 部長說明 站著就好來 下一個AI新十大建設推動方案這是你負責的吧哪一塊我們負責是那個AI軟體產業登發軟體產業巔峰嘛我再問你你那五十萬個高薪的就業階段 高薪怎麼定義 |
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50萬個高薪就有機會這個我們是不是請素產署來說明人才的部分嗎你現在講的是人才還是你們寫的這是你們行政院的報告對這個這個好像不是我們書發部這個所以書發部不用高薪就對了好這個是什麼經濟部產發署經濟部產發署來下一個台灣人要軟體機會在哪裡 |
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跟委員報告台灣軟體世上有很強的軟體產業像趨勢訓練 完美移動你想說舊的 有沒有新的對 我們現在就是我們速發部透過五大政策工具我講的公司都比你還新對不起我講的公司都搞不好還比你還新對啊 我要講新的公司我還可以講講啊講啊 |
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亞太智能然後像那個Appear然後我們這個 |
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在這邊我們要比說要講說多新的公司我去看工商證件我告訴你AI軟體產業發展機會在哪裡我不太理解我都可以講的比你還好那委員請講那是你當部長還是我當部長因為我不瞭解你的問題在哪裡啊你就問了問問題你問譬如說問那個軟體產業我就問軟體產業來回答你現在要負責AI軟體產業的規定沒錯然後你自己不曉得AI軟體產業發展的策略成功機會在哪裡我都要講我今天已經獎勵整天了已經整個早上了你現在給我 |
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你10秒啊 講啊 |
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對我們就是我跟你講就是我們五大政策工具就是算力資料人才我說軟體機會在那不是講你的政策工具軟體機會就是我講的全世界都是這樣軟體產業的創新突破與發展 |
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我現在答的就是 我現在講的就是軟體產業每一中國的軟體產業 每一個國家都在做這件事情不是由中國共產黨 什麼叫中國共產黨中國共產黨叫什麼 我怎麼定義 你怎麼定義軟體智慧你在講什麼東西啊我在講的是說這個是 你就告訴我 台灣人發展在Vertical Domain就好了就是一個智慧製造 或者是智慧醫療 所以你要怎麼去做嘛 |
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連這種東西都回答不出來再問你 主管 環境產業 AI實現活動加速663多少家我們是在做實體的討論 我一整個早上產值是多少 你有沒有掌握 員工人數是多少你要先掌握嘛 掌握之後你才知道台灣的整個ecosystem的定位在什麼地方這個都不做 |
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譬如說你那個加速好了加速我想您是專家您在知社會工作過那麼久那個軟體公司有大有小有新有舊有的公司我剛剛問得很清楚財政部那邊都查得到主辦區那邊也查得到6263我只問你當一個部長是不是對這些的產業狀況了解軟體產業是不是你管的是或不是 |
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軟體產業是我管的而且我來自於軟體產業界我也來自軟體產業界啊是啊對啊然後呢是啊所以我當然知道軟體產業界是什麼就是問你家數多少產值多少員工人數多少你就是想說這個這個財政部俊修回答好了財政部都查得到的事情你為什麼問書發部呢不好意思軟體的安置為6263416000多家是對結束了產值的話應該是現在是8000多億這樣 |
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差不多我為什麼會這樣問就是你要對這東西了解嘛才能去定啊啊不了解定什麼 |
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我懶得跟你吵了 來這邊省紀部的一個調查報告T-Rod的連結率MyData甚至還牽扯到你台灣主權AI訓練的語料庫然後另外你們講的促進資料的一個創新利用發展條例這些我都認為很重要也該做那我是希望你就是把T-RodMyData這個使用率再提高因為起碼要串通嘛那你資料串通之後我們才有辦法去運用嘛 |
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然後另外你們兩個在提的你們報告二跟三這兩點我希望可以趕快好不好送一些規劃報告來給我這樣子看好最後我就不想問了啦反正呢看起來就是長這個樣子好我們謝謝洪義祥委員 |