| IVOD_ID |
167635 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167635 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T11:44:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T11:51:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
張雅琳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:44:06 - 11:51:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長及國家科學及技術委員會主任委員就「落實臺灣AI治理與基礎建設，發展臺灣AI軟體產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們邀請蘇發布部長好 簡林部長委員好部長我要來更新一下AI基本法的相關的進度是第一個是說我們在三個月的時候當時有一個我們當時在審這個法案的時候有一個附帶決議就是在三個月內我們要完成兒少影響性評估照理來講應該在4月14號的時候就應該要公佈了我想了解一下現在進度市長怎麼樣是 這件事情是由我們那個策略師負責我們請市長說明可以 沒問題 |
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好那大院的那個三項的人權兒少跟性平等影響評估我們已經報行政院了那我們預計看看這個禮拜五這個禮拜五看行政院能不能核定那我們就會去公告 |
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所以基本上目前是在進度之內對不對所以我們應該是說這禮拜如果合定的話我們應該就可以在4月14號之前來那我想這是非常重要的一件事情那接下來還有另外一件事是風險框架標準當時我們也是有講說在一年之內吧我們應該要六個月內要完成各部會的檢討在一個一年之內要公佈嘛那我想了解現在我們跟各部會進行的一個相關進度因為我們二月的時候有詢問啦有些部會比較積極有些部會好像需要一點點 |
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再夾把勁 是不是部長可以簡單給我是 我們依照AI基本法我們抒發部現在正在訂AI風險分類框架那預計在3月底4月初我們就會送院所以大概因為現在已經是3月今天17號還是18號18號所以剩下大概兩三個禮拜內就會送院了所以我們現在已經跟各部會都已經完成了討論跟檢討了 |
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OK 那非常好那接下來我就想要討論一件事情就是說因為最近呢就是因為其實AI生成的這個進度實在是非常非常的快所以現在已經出現了一個叫做AI換衣AI脫衣的APP |
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只要上傳一張照片就可以在幾秒內生成擄漏或性暗示的影像那這些其實就是defect嘛那其實它的影響已經不是只是技術的問題而且還有就是新型態的性剝削性隱私以及數位性暴力所以我想要了解這個部分我們是不是已經有跟衛福部內政部警政署有討論有沒有注意到這件事然後進行相關的討論 |
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有 這個我們跟衛福部那邊有非常密切的討論那關於這種我們這樣說像是最近那個MISS AV的那個事件那我們就知道說那個把它下架以後它又馬上又換了一個網址那我們現在的那個做法 |
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第一個就是我們要加快處理的速度那現在的通報流程是這樣第一個是衛福部他那邊必須作業然後他發文給那個TWNIC就是台灣網路訊息中心這是速發部所監管的一個法人機構然後TWNIC再透過DNSRPC的機制通知各個網路那個ISP等等業者那這三段都會有一些時間的那個delay那我們現在想辦法就是把這個時間都縮短那衛福部那邊要負責 |
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把他們那邊的公文處理或者做決定的速度要加快那我們速發部這邊的做法是盡量把它做成自動化不是用人工去處理有些事情就是可以自動化的去運作人機器都加快再來就是我們會監督那些ISP業者等等加快它的速度大概是多久衛福部討論出來之後速發部就可以採取相關的行動大概是多久的時間這個可不可以請我們資源司司長說 |
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跟委員報告目前的話就是TWNIC如果收到這個主管機關的處分的話在兩個小時內就可以完成所有系統的設定好 了解那我接下來再回到部長這邊再請教一下就是說因為我們現在呢在因為這種新型態其實真的是成 |
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就是一直不停地在產出啦而且是爆得非常非常快所以我們大概多久的時候我們會去做一些風險的盤點然後讓衛福部讓相關的部會知道這件事情我們多久會盤點一次呢 |
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我們大概不是定期的會議因為我們跟衛福部的溝通很好我們大概每個禮拜都會跟他們的部市長討論這個事情我們這個是一直都在持續進行還有一點要講的就是我們現在從另外方式我們去做是要從要求AI產生的影像都必須做標示對沒錯 |
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你要問到你問到我要講的問題那我就先問清楚一點你方便一起回答好了好不好就是有關於因為我們這個高風險的標示現在已經有清楚的定義了嗎然後以及對於因為我們也做完兒少影響性評估對於違反最兒少最佳利益的高風險的應用也有沒有清楚的定義 |
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OK就是說這種事情是不是高風險兒少方面這要問衛福部這不是速發部但是我們現在速發部做的事情是要求所有AI生成的影像照理說都應該要標示但是目前的狀況是這樣子第一個是說在美國的這些大型社群平台原來在拜登政府時代的時候美國政府都有要求他們做標示可是後來川普上任以後這方面美國政府的要求就比較鬆散 |
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所以很多在這個社群網路平台上面的AI產生的影像它並沒有標示那台灣我們就是要求說這些平台你來台灣做生意你還是要遵守台灣的規定那我們現在並沒有一個很明確的法律那到時候還需要這個立法院這邊的多多支持那我們是現在先用溝通方式要求這些平台那當然這些平台我們也是 |
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現在坦白講都只管君子管不到小人因為很多的工具不知道在哪個國家不知道海外哪些地方那還有一些駭客會把這上面的標示故意拿掉那我們在想辦法在制定這方面的運作規則那這個地方我們會持續跟衛福部還有跟立法院做溝通 |
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好我想聽到我剛才有聽到一個重點就是說我們在這件事情上面的標示上面好像因為還缺乏一些相關的立法工具因為我們現在只有你犯法之後我們可以有一些工具來去處理那現在我不知道因為在立法我們可能需要一點時間可是因為這個傷害可能很快就會造成我不曉得說我們可不可以先做一件事情就是說我們可以先採取標示來提示 |
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提示有問題的內容這件事情是不是可以先上路確實的執行這個就是我剛才講的我們現在已經在跟那個網路平台大概什麼時候會執行呢我們當然是希望明天就執行但是討論上面你們希望我們就是要push嘛因為這畢竟就是兒少的影響我們也要push他們啦所以大概我們有沒有一個時間點目標啦兩個月我們來追蹤一下 |
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你可以追蹤啊沒有問題啊我每個禮拜我都會去追蹤Meta跟Google我也都沒問題啊但是因為這個行為委員還體諒一下因為它是民間機構那我現在也沒有法律我可以要求強制他要做這件事情我只能用勸說的方式啊當然嘛但是我們過去也都是用勸說的方式來是啊是啊是啊所以這部分就是我們就是在一個月之後好不好先給我們一個進度報告好不好沒問題沒問題沒問題好不好謝謝沒問題好謝謝我們謝謝張雅 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:07.956000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
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張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:08.196000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:09.256000+08:00 |
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我們請數發部部長。 |
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0.75 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:10.197000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:10.457000+08:00 |
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請林部長。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-18T11:44:10.457000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-18T11:44:15.978000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-18T11:44:16.618000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:31.862000+08:00 |
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部長，我要來跟進一下AI基本法相關進度，第一個，我們當時在審這個法案的時候，有個附帶決議，就是在三個月內完成「兒少影響性評估」，照理來講，在4月14日的時候就應該要公布了，我想了解一下現在的進度是怎麼樣？ |
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0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-18T11:44:31.862000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:35.683000+08:00 |
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是，這件事情是由我們的策略司負責，我們請司長說明。 |
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0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-18T11:44:36.383000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-18T11:44:36.403000+08:00 |
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沒問題。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-18T11:44:38.013000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-18T11:44:43.059000+08:00 |
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有關大院的那三項──人權、兒少跟性別影響評估，我們已經報行政院了。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
蔡司長壽洤 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:44.140000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:48.846000+08:00 |
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看看行政院在這個禮拜五能不能核定，然後我們就會去公告。 |
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0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-18T11:44:50.202000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:52.703000+08:00 |
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所以，基本上目前是在進度之內，對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:53.723000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:58.765000+08:00 |
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這禮拜如果核定的話，應該就可以在4月14日之前完成，我想這是非常重要的一件事情。 |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:44:59.985000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:02.466000+08:00 |
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還有另外一件事，就是風險框架標準。 |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:03.426000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:10.049000+08:00 |
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我們當時也有講，應該要在六個月內完成各部會的檢討，在一年之內要公布。 |
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0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:10.849000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:20.333000+08:00 |
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我想了解我們跟各部會進行的一個相關進度，因為我們在2月的時候曾詢問過，有些部會比較積極，有些部會好像需要再加把勁，部長是不是可以簡單說明？ |
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0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:22.494000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:38.144000+08:00 |
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依照那個AI基本法，數發部正在訂那個AI風險分類框架，預計在3月底、4月初就會送院，今天已經是3月17號，還是18號？18號。 |
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0.851 |
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林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:38.144000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:42.147000+08:00 |
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所以大概兩、三個禮拜內就會送院了。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:42.347000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:45.469000+08:00 |
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所以，我們現在跟各部會都已經完成討論跟檢討了？是。 |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:49.079000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:50.341000+08:00 |
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OK，那非常好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:45:50.941000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:46:18.604000+08:00 |
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接下來我想討論一件事情，最近因為AI生成的進度實在是非常非常的快，現在出現一個叫做AI換衣、AI脫衣的app，只要上傳一張照片，就可以在幾秒內生成裸露或性暗示的影像，這些其實就是Deepfake，它的影響已經不是只是技術的問題，還有新型態的性剝削、性隱私以及數位性暴力。 |
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0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:46:19.044000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:46:24.587000+08:00 |
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所以，我想了解這個部分是不是已經跟衛福部、內政部警政署有討論？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:46:24.587000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:46:26.208000+08:00 |
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有沒有注意到這件事，然後進行相關的討論？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-18T11:46:26.888000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:46:30.950000+08:00 |
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有，我們跟衛福部那邊有非常密切的討論。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:46:33.571000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:46:44.457000+08:00 |
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像最近Miss AV的那個事件，我們知道它在下架以後，又馬上換了一個網址，所以我們現在的做法，第一個就是我們要加快處理的速度。 |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:46:45.378000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:03.771000+08:00 |
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現在的通報流程是這樣，首先是衛福部那邊必須作業，由它發文給那個TWNIC──臺灣網路訊息中心，就是數發部所監管的一個法人機構，TWNIC再透過DNS RPZ的機制，通知各個網路的ISP等業者。 |
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0.888 |
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林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:04.672000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:10.035000+08:00 |
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因為這三段都會有一些時間的delay，我們現在想辦法要把這些時間都縮短。 |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:10.956000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:26.526000+08:00 |
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衛福部那邊負責把他們那邊的公文處理或是做決定的速度加快；數發部這邊的做法，就是盡量把它做成自動化，有些事情可以自動化去運作，不是用人工去處理，讓人跟機器都加快。 |
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0.77 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:27.347000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:33.311000+08:00 |
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再來，就是我們會監督那些ISP業者等等，加快它的速度。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:33.671000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:34.152000+08:00 |
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現在的時間流程大概是多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-18T11:47:34.392000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:38.334000+08:00 |
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也就是衛福部這邊討論出來之後，大概是多久的時間，數發部這邊就可以採取相關的行動？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.568 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-18T11:47:40.336000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-18T11:47:41.837000+08:00 |
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可不可以請我們資源司司長跟委員報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
曾司長文方 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-18T11:47:42.978000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:54.028000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，目前就是TWNIC如果收到主管機關的處分，兩個小時內就可以完成所有系統的設定。了解。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:47:54.628000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:48:08.779000+08:00 |
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接下來再請教一下部長，因為這種新型態就是一直不停的在產出，而且冒得非常非常快，所以我們大概多久的時候，會去做一些風險的盤點，然後讓衛福部及相關的部會知道這件事情？ |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:48:08.799000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:48:08.959000+08:00 |
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我們多久會盤點一次呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-18T11:48:13.591000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:48:25.335000+08:00 |
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我們不是定期的會議，因為我們跟衛福部的溝通很好，大概每個禮拜都會跟他們的部、次長討論這個事情，也一直都在持續進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-18T11:48:26.115000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:48:35.338000+08:00 |
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還有一點要講的，就是我們現在另外的方式，就是去要求AI產生的這個影像都必須做標識。 |
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0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-18T11:48:35.798000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:48:35.818000+08:00 |
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對，沒錯。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
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2026-03-18T11:48:37.539000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:48:40.641000+08:00 |
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你提到我要講的問題，我就先問清楚一點，你方便一起回答。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-18T11:48:42.101000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-18T11:48:54.168000+08:00 |
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因為我們對高風險的標識，現在已經有清楚的定義，同時我們也做了兒少影響性評估，對於違反兒少最佳利益的高風險的應用，有沒有清楚的定義？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-18T11:48:56.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-18T11:49:29.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
這種事情在兒少方面是不是高風險，這要問衛福部，不是數發部；數發部現在做的事情，是要求所有AI生成的影像，照理說都應該要標識；但目前的狀況是這樣子，第一個美國的這些大型社群平臺，原來在拜登政府的時代，美國政府都有要求他們做標識，可是川普上任以後，美國政府在這方面的要求就比較鬆散，所以很多在社群網路平臺上面AI產生的影像，它並沒有標識。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-18T11:49:29.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:49:35.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
在臺灣，我們就是要求這些平臺，你來臺灣做生意，還是要遵守臺灣的規定。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-18T11:49:36.075000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:50:02.553000+08:00 |
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但我們現在並沒有一個很明確的法律，到時候還需要立法院這邊多多支持；我們現在先用溝通方式要求這些平臺，但坦白講，都只能管君子，管不到小人，因為很多工具不知道在哪個國家、不知道海外哪些地方，還有一些駭客會把上面的標識故意拿掉，我們正在想辦法制定這方面的運作規則。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:03.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:06.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
對於這個部分，我們會持續跟衛福部還有跟立法院做溝通。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:06.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:50:17.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我剛才有聽到一個重點，就是我們在這件事情的標識上面，好像還缺乏一些相關的立法工具，也就是你犯法之後，我們可以有一些工具去處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:19.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:34.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
因為立法需要一點時間，可是這個傷害可能很快就會造成，我們可不可以先做一件事情，就是先採取標識來提示這個是有問題的內容，這件事情是不是可以先上路，確實的執行？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:35.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:38.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
是，這個就是我剛才講的，我們現在已經在跟那個網路平臺…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:38.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:39.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
大概什麼時候會執行？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:41.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:42.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這個我們當然希望明天就執行…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:43.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:47.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
但是在討論上面，我們就是要push嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:47.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:49.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
因為這畢竟是對兒少的影響很大…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:49.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:50.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我們也要push他們。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:50.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:51.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
所以我們有沒有一個時間點、目標？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:52.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-18T11:50:52.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我們兩個月來追蹤一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-18T11:50:56.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-18T11:51:11.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
你可以追蹤，沒有問題，我每個禮拜五都會去追蹤Meta跟Google，我也都沒問題，但是因為這個……請委員還體諒一下，因為它是民間機構，我們現在也沒有法律可以要求或強制他要做這件事情，我只能用勸說的方式。當然！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-18T11:51:12.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-18T11:51:14.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
但是我們過去也都是用勸說的方式……是啊！是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-18T11:51:15.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-18T11:51:18.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
所以這部分就是在一個月之後，先給我們一個進度報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-18T11:51:19.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-18T11:51:20.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
好，沒問題。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-18T11:51:21.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-18T11:51:21.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
謝謝張雅琳委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-18T11:51:21.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-18T11:51:25.224286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
接下來我們請洪毓祥委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |