| IVOD_ID |
167633 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167633 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T11:28:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T11:38:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:28:36 - 11:38:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長及國家科學及技術委員會主任委員就「落實臺灣AI治理與基礎建設，發展臺灣AI軟體產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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主席在場委員先進列席的總經理官署長官員會長工作夥伴記者媒體女士先生請我們速發部林部長我們請林部長部長好部長好有人說啊為什麼騙子一直抓抓不完是你認為呢 |
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那有人說騙子抓不完是因為還有很多傻子沒上當你同意這句話嗎因為傻子比騙子多太多了不能這樣講我會有問題的好我了解其實呢的確我們看詐騙的趨勢初期的確是因為我們民眾對於缺乏警覺所以有些比如說人家說貪便宜的啦想投機的啦受到廣告的誘惑就上當了 |
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是但是你看喔現在多管道的詐騙他已經不是靠流量靠那個亂槍打鳥找到一些可能比較沒有警覺心的人喔是他靠的是什麼長期的經營透過這個社群平台交友平台然後呢跟你搬娜所以呢 |
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通常我們現在說的不管是投資詐騙還是什麼詐騙通常都是什麼都是情感詐騙這些沒錯先騙你的感情是讓你信任之後他再騙你的錢是不是這樣子所以我們看到了有一個趨勢說AI與人性操控如何重塑全球的詐騙手法過去我們花了很多功夫在於通路在於平台在於媒介控制流量防止他取得這些散播的工具但是現在不一樣了我們來看這一個最近下一頁有沒有聽過龍蝦有沒有吃過龍蝦 |
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現在龍蝦是指什麼open call對一個AI的代理是個人代理AI助理你想想看以前炸團不叫炸團要一團人分工因為一個人只能對付幾個人因為你要跟他保護感情你不可能一個人對一百個人但是現在有了龍蝦之後你只要聘了這個AI個人助理你養多幾隻龍蝦你就不用炸團你一個人就可以詐騙上千上萬個人你覺得有沒有可能 |
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有可能所以現在情況AI的時代來臨詐團的手法要改變我們要看一下往下看所以AI助理將成為詐騙的標配怎麼辦部長你覺得這個時候我們要怎麼樣來預防或者怎麼樣來趕快的未雨綢繆呢 |
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OK 這個從兩方面來講第一個在技術上面我們當然是用AI對付AI是的 用魔法對付魔法是 OK那另外一個就是說我們從那個基本的那個治理來講那個我們速發部這邊希望透過我們這個數位憑證提甲的機構建立一個所謂的類實名制的制度是的因為中國它事實上詐騙比較少因為它使用實名制 網路實名制但是網路實名制會侵犯到個人的那個隱私權等等 |
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所以我們現在是類實名制我就希望說我可以確定你是一個真人你是一個台灣人但是我不需要知道你是哪一個台灣人對有人說你怎麼在網路上平台上去辨識AI你給他下幾個指令他上當就知道了好但是他也會與時俱進嘛是道高一尺魔高一丈所以我們的資安院我們要試詐阻詐我們用AI的技術來識別但是呢真的是魔盜競爭啊怎麼辦我們往下看 |
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其實根據亞洲的詐騙過去年常引用現在是社群跟通訊平台所以我們速發部跟民間防詐的機構合作的AI集資的話能夠有效的來防治這個代理市的AI詐騙嗎 |
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因為這個像詐騙打詐我常常講就是好人跟壞人之間不斷的攻防我們一定要不斷的我們政府作為好人一方不斷的把這些漏洞堵住但是壞人他一定會尋找新的漏洞所以我們有一個很重要的事情是我要擴大好人隊的那個 |
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你的好人包括AI嗎 你有AI他有AI啊對 我有AI他競賽你贏不了他但是我所謂的好人對 包含這個平台包含那個Meta 包含Google平台 對不對現在平台已經你把他慢慢拉過來了不要讓平台成為一個詐騙的溫床平台願意配合了也是因為我們立法上的要求對不對 |
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但是不要忘了平台就幾大平台但是平台上充斥什麼往下看往下一頁平台上充斥的這些廣告啊其實你要他把廣告下架那是在末端管理誰在下廣告就是出資者嘛所以是不是法律上我們可以對這些出資者也開始進行你說我們法律有了嘛對不對現在這些出資者跟看播者你們有沒有掌握了 |
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是哪些人在用在出資哪些人在看播有沒有掌握我們能掌握的我們盡量掌握但是這個關鍵還是在於像Meta我們以Meta來講因為很多這個Meta上面還有Google上面的廣告是在海外的出資者跟海外的脫波者然後這件事情我們就是透過Meta我們就邀請他加入好人隊然後他從原服去找那他在從去年他已經下架430萬個 |
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這類的那個跟詐騙有關係的帳號然後也從這邊他就查到就來自於那個監獄債部長野火燒不盡春風吹又生啊只要草原存在你在草原上打火啊很難打所以要找到火苗找到帶火種的人好那我跟您提一個議號你們你知道以前警務人員怎麼抓 |
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那個竊賊嗎不是在人家的門口守株待兔不是在富豪的門口守株待兔他們到當鋪裡面去查章為什麼竊賊偷的東西一定要賣賣了之後就到當鋪去當鋪現在是不是合法的是合法的誰在管你知道嗎警政署警政署這些當鋪他都有管常常是尋一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
347.882 |
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366.742 |
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當鋪的業者有些會跟警方合作看到來路不明的東西他會提報所以不只是平台在平台下廣告的這些網路行銷公司他可能是詐騙結論的幫兇但是他也可能是你去查出他潛在可能找到其他犯罪者的你看喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
367.162 |
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386.159 |
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一個詐騙集團要有出資者要看播者廣告到社群平台受害者你現在管了這一台這是草原野火燒不盡春風吹又生找到那些什麼帶火種的人這些帶火種的人誰給他火種代理商有沒有把網路行銷公司跟代理商也納入你的好人隊 |
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這個事情我們一直在努力事實上跟委員報告我們非常非常努力但是這個問題就是我剛才講的因為很多這個網路的那個行銷公司是在海外因為那個Facebook他這個問題為什麼會這麼難讓我們就跟他們去談就是我們要求他溯源由Facebook那邊去發起去找到你所說的這些網路行銷公司代理商讓我們事實上在Facebook上他這個 |
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437.967 |
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整個詐騙的那個層級是分成三層的第一個是他們詐騙集團會設立那個詐騙的帳號然後養這些帳號以後要成立粉絲頁粉絲頁以後在下面再去放那個詐騙廣告部長這個流程我大概了解但是因為怕耽誤太多時間所以我們請現場有針對犯罪群團經驗的警務人員好不好我們有你正屬的有詐謗中心的兩位來幫忙協助解答一下來部長我再問你再看看他們怎麼講 |
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460.897 |
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你如果從犯罪者受害者的贓物去查到哪些當鋪在消張這當然是必要的但是如果你有當鋪的同業告訴你說哪幾家當鋪常常成為竊賊去消張的管道這是不是擒賊先擒王不是等到受害者發生了再來查章從平常當鋪業的掌握 |
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對不起我沒有詆毀張卜業的意思我是說過去是這樣的意思來請問一下主任這個是不是過去我們警務工作犯罪偵防的一個方法先把可能潛在的這些被利用的工具平台先個別的先有所掌握 |
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是 鮑委員是就是這樣做好 是這樣做沒有錯 部長聽到沒有所以你說的沒有錯網路行銷公司跟代理商不是每一個都是壞人沒有 現在網路詐騙的當鋪事實上是通常是那個比特幣所以要從虛擬幣那邊下手我現在不是擋金流我是說協助者 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
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對不起說話講完了所以我是希望我講一個例子三支第三方支付第三方支付都是過去詐團用來洗錢用的但是自從金管會把第三方支付成立一個產業公會之後他就可以跟他正常的合理的對交流對不起那個第三方產業是你們管的是我們管的是我們管的對不起我誤會你們誤會金管會來來來 |
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536.432 |
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所以你們就循這個方式回到結論因為主席已經要求了請研議協助被詐團利用為人頭協助於社團平台刊登詐騙詐欺廣告而不知情的網路行銷公司的方案你們用什麼方法把這些可能不知覺的成為幫助犯的這些業者想辦法能夠把他有所掌握 |
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561.644 |
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就像你們透過三支產業公會的方式讓他們被組織起來之後未來就像警方在查章一樣就像你們打擊詐騙不是只從網路平台下手還可以從這些可能被利用的這些幫助的一些業者呢來擠找的房子可以嗎沒有問題啊這個我們都有在做那我一定會給我的報告事實上這個事情我們就做滿好長一段時間謝謝謝謝主席謝謝鍾嘉賓 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:28:40.739000+08:00 |
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主席、在場委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、記者媒體女士先生。 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:28:41.519000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:28:42.279000+08:00 |
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請教數發部林部長。 |
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0.75 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-18T11:28:42.420000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:28:42.880000+08:00 |
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請林部長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:28:42.880000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:28:43.940000+08:00 |
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委員早。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱：部長好。有人問 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-18T11:28:43.940000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-18T11:28:44.320000+08:00 |
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為什麼騙子一直抓不完？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱：部長好。有人問 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-18T11:28:44.480000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-18T11:28:44.500000+08:00 |
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你認為呢？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱：部長好。有人問 |
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2026-03-18T11:28:56.680000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:29:03.283000+08:00 |
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那有人說騙子抓不完是因為還有很多傻子沒上當，你同意這句話嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱：部長好。有人問 |
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2026-03-18T11:29:03.283000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-18T11:29:04.584000+08:00 |
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因為傻子比騙子多太多了？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-18T11:29:05.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-18T11:29:09.346000+08:00 |
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不能這樣講，這樣講，我會有問題。 |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-18T11:29:09.706000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:29:09.987000+08:00 |
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我瞭解。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-18T11:29:11.387000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:29:24.534000+08:00 |
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的確我們看詐騙的趨勢，初期的確是因為我們民眾缺乏警覺，比如人家說貪便宜的啦、想投機的啦，或是受到廣告的誘惑等等就上當了。 |
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0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-18T11:29:25.094000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-18T11:29:46.016000+08:00 |
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但是你看到現在多管道的詐騙已經不是靠流量，靠那個亂槍打鳥找到一些可能比較沒有警覺心的人，現在他們靠的是長期的經營，透過社群平台、交友平台，然後跟你「盤撋」，所以通常我們現在說的不管是投資詐騙還是什麼詐騙，通常都是情感詐騙這些，是嗎？沒錯。 |
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0.907 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-18T11:29:46.016000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:29:50.140000+08:00 |
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先騙你的感情，讓你信任之後，他再騙你的錢，是不是這樣子？是。 |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-18T11:29:50.800000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:30:07.693000+08:00 |
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所以我們看到了，有一個趨勢說AI與人性操縱如何重塑全球詐騙手法，過去我們花了很多功夫在於通路，在於平台，在於媒介，控制流量，防止他取得這些散播的工具，但是現在不一樣了，我們來看下一頁。 |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-18T11:30:07.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-18T11:30:08.073000+08:00 |
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部長有沒有聽過龍蝦？ |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-18T11:30:08.073000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-18T11:30:08.233000+08:00 |
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有沒有吃過龍蝦？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-18T11:30:11.175000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-18T11:30:12.575000+08:00 |
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現在龍蝦是指什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-18T11:30:12.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-18T11:30:12.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
OpenClaw。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-18T11:30:13.936000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:30:37.923000+08:00 |
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對，一個AI的代理，個人代理、AI助理，你想想看，以前詐團叫詐團，要一團人分工，因為一個人只能對付幾個人，因為你要跟他「盤撋」感情，你不可能一個人對一百個人，但是現在有了龍蝦之後，你只要聘了這個AI個人助理，你多養幾隻龍蝦，你就不用詐團，你一個人就會詐騙上千、上萬個人，你覺得有沒有可能？ |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:30:38.563000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-18T11:30:38.783000+08:00 |
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有可能。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-18T11:30:39.984000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:30:44.949000+08:00 |
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有可能，所以現在AI的時代來臨，詐團的手法要改變，我們往下看。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-18T11:30:45.629000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:30:50.414000+08:00 |
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所以AI助理將成為詐騙的標配，怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-18T11:30:50.414000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:30:55.358000+08:00 |
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部長，你覺得這個時候我們要怎麼樣來預防或者怎麼樣趕快未雨綢繆呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-18T11:30:57.860000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-18T11:31:01.001000+08:00 |
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這個從兩方面來講，第一個在技術上面，我們當然是用AI對付AI。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-18T11:31:01.861000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:31:03.342000+08:00 |
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用魔法對付魔法。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-18T11:31:04.442000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:31:32.955000+08:00 |
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另外就我們基本的治理來講，數發部這邊希望透過我們數位憑證皮夾的機構，建立一個所謂的類實名制的制度，中國事實上詐騙比較少，因為他們使用實名制，網路實名制，但是網路實名制會侵犯到個人的隱私權等等，所以我們現在是類實名制，我希望我可以確定你是一個真人，你是一個臺灣人，但是我不需要知道你是哪一個臺灣人。 |
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0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-18T11:31:33.175000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:31:50.305000+08:00 |
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對，有人說如何在網路上、平台上去辨識AI，就是你給他下幾個指令，他上當就知道了，但是他也會與時俱進，道高一尺、魔高一丈，所以我們的資安要識詐、阻詐，我們要用AI的技術來識別，但是真的是魔道競爭，怎麼辦呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-18T11:31:50.305000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:31:50.806000+08:00 |
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我們往下看。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-18T11:31:52.626000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:06.604000+08:00 |
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根據亞洲詐騙調查報告，去年常引用社群跟通訊平台現在是詐騙的溫床，請教數發部跟民間防詐機構合作的AI機制能夠有效防治這個代理式的AI詐騙嗎？ |
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0.712 |
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林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:11.011000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:26.075000+08:00 |
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我常常講打詐就是好人跟壞人之間不斷的攻防，政府作為好人一方，不斷的把這些漏洞堵住，但是壞人一定會尋找新的漏洞，所以我們有一個很重要的事情，就是我們要擴大好人隊的…… |
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0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:28.456000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:29.837000+08:00 |
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你的好人隊包括AI嗎？ |
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0.9 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:29.837000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:31.919000+08:00 |
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你有AI，他也有AI啊！有啊！ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:32.099000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:33.060000+08:00 |
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AI競賽，你贏不了他啊！ |
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0.9 |
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林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:33.581000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:37.745000+08:00 |
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但是我所謂的好人，包含平台、包括Meta、包含機構…… |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:40.007000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:43.951000+08:00 |
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現在你已經把平台慢慢拉過來了，不要讓平台成為詐騙的溫床。沒錯。 |
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0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:44.411000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:47.254000+08:00 |
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平台願意配合了，也是因為我們立法上的要求，對不對？是。 |
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0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:48.575000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:52.439000+08:00 |
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好，但是不要忘了，平台就幾家平台，但是平台上充斥什麼？ |
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0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:52.439000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:52.799000+08:00 |
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我們往下看。 |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:32:55.041000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:01.668000+08:00 |
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平台上充斥的這些廣告，其實你要他把廣告下架，那是在末端管理，誰在下廣告？ |
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0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:01.848000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:02.649000+08:00 |
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就是出資者嘛！是。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:03.229000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:09.715000+08:00 |
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所以法律上我們可以對這些出資者也開始進行，你說我們法律有了，對不對？是。 |
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0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:09.715000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:12.138000+08:00 |
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現在這些出資者跟刊播者，你們有沒有掌握了？ |
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0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:12.678000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:13.479000+08:00 |
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是哪些人在用？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:14.079000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:14.719000+08:00 |
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哪些人在出資？ |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:14.719000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:15.640000+08:00 |
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哪些人在刊播？ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-18T11:33:16.460000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-18T11:33:16.881000+08:00 |
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有沒有掌握？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:18.181000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:44.778000+08:00 |
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能掌握的我們儘量掌握，但是這個關鍵還是在於像Meta，我們以Meta來講，因為很多Meta還有Google上面的廣告是在海外的出資者跟海外的託播者，然後這件事情我們就是透過Meta，我們就邀請他加入好人隊，然後他從源頭去找，從去年他已經下架430萬個這類跟詐騙有關係的帳號，然後也從這邊去查到最後來自於那個…… |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:45.218000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:56.106000+08:00 |
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野火燒不盡，春風吹又生，只要草原存在，你在草原上打火很難打，如果能夠找到火苗，打到要帶火種的人，現在我跟你提一個建議。 |
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0.808 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:33:56.527000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:01.390000+08:00 |
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你知道以前警務人員怎麼抓竊賊嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:01.390000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:16.097000+08:00 |
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不是在人家的門口守株待兔，不是在富豪人家的門口守株待兔，他們到當鋪裡面查贓，因為竊賊偷的東西一定要賣，賣了之後就到當鋪去，當鋪現在是不是合法的？ |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:16.938000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:18.779000+08:00 |
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是合法的，你知道誰在管嗎？ |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:18.779000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:27.305000+08:00 |
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是警政署，警政署對這些當鋪都有管，常常去巡一下，當鋪的業者有些也會跟警方合作，看到來路不明的東西他會提報。 |
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0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:27.305000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:41.961000+08:00 |
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所以不只是平台，在平台下廣告的這些網路行銷公司，他可能是詐騙集團的幫兇，但是他也可能協助你去找到其他犯罪者。 |
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0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:42.501000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:34:57.775000+08:00 |
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你看一個詐騙集團要有出資者、刊播者，廣告到社群平台及受害者，你現在管了這一台是草原，野火燒不盡，春風吹又生，要找到那些帶火種的人，這些帶火種的人，誰給他火種？ |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-18T11:34:57.775000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:35:02.159000+08:00 |
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就是代理商，有沒有把網路行銷公司跟代理商也納入你的好人隊？ |
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0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-18T11:35:04.035000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:35:17.444000+08:00 |
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這個事情我們一直在努力，跟委員報告，我們非常非常努力，但是對於這個問題，我剛才講的，因為很多網路行銷公司是在海外，因為Facebook這個問題為什麼會這麼難？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:35:17.444000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:35:38.637000+08:00 |
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我們跟他們去談，就是我們要求他溯源由Facebook那邊去發起去找到你所說的這些網路行銷公司和代理商，事實上在Facebook上，整個詐騙的層級是分成三層，第一個是詐騙集團會設立詐騙帳號，然後養這些帳號要成立粉絲頁，有粉絲頁以後在下面再去放騙廣告…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:35:38.898000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:35:53.967000+08:00 |
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部長，這個流程我大概瞭解，但是因為怕耽太多時間，我們請現場針對犯罪集團有經驗的警務人員，警政署詐防中心兩位來幫忙協助解答一下，部長，我問他們，你看他們怎麼講。 |
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0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T11:35:56.195000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:36:12.051000+08:00 |
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如果從犯罪者、受害者的贓物去查到哪些當鋪在銷贓，這當然是必要的，但是如果你有當鋪的同業告訴你說哪幾家當鋪常常成為竊賊去銷贓的管道，這是不是擒賊先擒王？ |
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0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:12.552000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:36:16.876000+08:00 |
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不是等到受害者發生了再來查贓，從平常當鋪業者來掌握。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:17.637000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:36:17.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:17.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:36:20.739000+08:00 |
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我沒有詆毀當鋪業者的意思，我是說過去是這樣的意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:21.499000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:36:25.481000+08:00 |
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請問一下主任，這是不是過去我們警務工作犯罪偵防的一個方法？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:26.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:36:32.005000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
對於這些潛在可能被利用的工具平台先個別有所掌握？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.696 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
張主任文源 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:32.565000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:36:34.386000+08:00 |
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是，報告委員，就是這樣做。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:34.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:36:36.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
好，是這樣做沒有錯，部長，聽到沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:37.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:36:42.111000+08:00 |
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所以你說的沒有錯，網路的行銷公司跟代理商不是每一個都是壞人…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:42.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-18T11:36:47.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
事實上，現在網路詐騙的當鋪通常是比特幣，所以要從虛擬幣…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:47.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-18T11:36:51.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
我現在不是講金流，我是說協助者，對不起，請讓我講完。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-18T11:36:52.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:06.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我再講個例子，就是第三方支付，第三方支付都是過去詐騙用來洗錢用的，但是自從金管會把第三方支付成立一個產業公會之後，就可以跟他正常的合理的交流…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:06.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:07.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:07.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:08.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
那個第三方產業…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:08.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:08.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
是你們管的？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:09.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:09.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我們管的。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:10.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:10.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:10.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:11.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:10.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:10.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
誤會金管會。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:13.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:14.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
所以你們就循這個方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:15.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:16.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
我來講結論，因為主席已經要求了。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:17.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:52.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
請研議「協助被詐團利用為人頭，協助於社群平台刊登詐欺廣告而不知情的網路行銷公司」之方案，你們用什麼方法把這些可能不知覺的成為幫助犯的這些業者，想辦法能夠對他們有所掌握，就像你們透過三資產業公會的方式，讓他們被組織起來之後，未來就像警方在查贓一樣，就像你們打擊詐騙一樣，不是只從網路平台下手，還對於這些可能被利用成為幫助者的業者即早來防制，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:52.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:54.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
沒有問題，這個我們都有在做，我一定會給委員報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:55.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:57.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
事實上，這個事情我們已經做好長一段時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:57.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:57.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:57.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-18T11:37:57.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
謝謝鍾佳濱委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-18T11:37:58.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-18T11:38:00.695429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
接下來請羅智強發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0 |