| IVOD_ID |
167624 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167624 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T11:31:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T11:43:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad6053c433727489409c6eb086282839459da04d1c9dfa77de2098451eb654036b25b15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:35 - 11:43:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
【3月18日及19日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請我們法務部正部長還有我們蔣正署署長還有蔣正署署長 |
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副長 上個禮拜本院三讀通過了刑法跟刑法施刑法的一個修正案主要是在回應整個憲法法庭 憲判的一個意旨就是針對無期徒刑撤銷 假釋以律適用20年或者25年殘刑的制度來進行調整並且去依不同的犯罪形態 |
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去設計差異化的一個規範本席在這個地方肯定法務部跟朝野我們共同來完成這項的一個修法但是本席要特別提出來來救教法務部在今天業務報告裡面做一個提醒就是說 |
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在草野協商的時候,本席一直在提出一個呼籲,就是說法律制度允許這個假釋,不管是無歧途型或者有歧途型的受刑人,他終歸要回歸到這個社會嘛。那你回歸到社會啊,所以你這個復歸社會以後,你透過制度性的一個評估跟處喻, |
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盡量讓他去降低風險這個在整個刑事政策裡面是非常關鍵的一環所以我要提出來就是說我們現在 你說假釋的或是法院裁定這個款型來這個負責保護管束的現在的關乎人接手你關乎人接手之後對個案再進行這個評估包括這個對社會的一個危害性或者說再犯的一個風險的一個高低來擬定這樣的一個處於的一個計畫 |
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這個大家批評很久啦 就是說常常 比如說我是官務人的話 我常常會留意主觀沒有一致性 缺乏一致性的一個標準啦那在科學性跟實用性這個部分 法務部也有去精進 |
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認為該提出一個比較較具本土性的科學性還有這個實用性的這樣的一個系統出來那我們改善的一個方案裡面你就是去建置保護管束人犯再犯風險評估的智慧輔助系統我現在搞不懂的地方就是說我們現在2023年我們的毒品暴力和性經危起點預測再犯的指標裡面我們現在就只有幾個新竹 |
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苗栗台北跟台南所以我要問部長就是說這一套在範的風險的評估智慧的一個輔助系統到底是在什麼地方卡關他會跟他一體我們2023年開始到現在進入2026年我看你們還沒有繼續不可能就是一個客觀的標準就只有在這五個地檢那到底你的期程 |
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有沒有這樣的一個設定就是說你在這個化部會資料整合的部分有幾位沒有啦我記得我上次講的是說你那個在英國在美國他們都發展出他們自己的系統啦譬如說美國他就針對受刑人不同的種類女性 青少年 成年人復歸社會犯罪人提供四種不同的一個版本 |
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那這些有一個好處就是到最後去使用機關可以包含假釋的審查委員會或者 |
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我們這邊的叫矯證署 監獄當局 負責社區矯證的這些管情跟假釋部門相關處域提供一個像要因者的一個醫療端 因為這串接啦我現在要問的就是 我們2023到現在五個你再來 你現在2026 你不可能只有這五個地檢署啊你其他的地檢署呢 你有沒有規劃一個期程 我這點要來就教我們政部長謝謝 |
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那其實這個是建置的是委託那個警大來研究團隊來建置的那當然的確是10110到12這是一個試辦階段1134系統的保固那114從去年開始那我們本部有編列預算就委外服務的經費進行維護那今年要配合系統轉型為數據中台 |
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要結合深圳市AI來技術優化既有的再犯預警及關乎書類的產生的一個功能但我想我們這部分我們會再做一個精進那以前是跟科技部跟那個科技部申請那個科技的一個計畫來支應的來建置的但我想這部分我們會再推廣會再升級 |
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那這部分委員剛剛有關心的就是有沒有借階的我剛才說錯了,不是5倍,是4倍而已,只有4倍而已那那個要借階,因為這個升級版的借階是要跟衛福部跟勞動部來系統做借階那這部分我想我們會再做推廣,我們現在會再推廣出去我認為啦,你那個期程還是要訂出來立法院裡面,你來司法法制委員會你就知道,這立法院 |
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口水比鳥還要多但是你們該做的事情那這一些本席在這個地方特別要來呼籲你要是要繼續做好的東西你本來要做的你發現了那麼多一個弊端我們一直在講說要讓它去復歸這個社會可是我們又認為說交給 |
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關乎人以後,實現的結果幾十年下來你會發現偏於主觀沒有一致的一個標準那既然有這麼好用的東西,外國有先例嘛,你現在也有去做啊,只做到四個地點數,全國從北到南都支持有啦,那個年底全國推廣啦,因為現在...旗城你就是到年底全國推廣年底全國都要推進全國啦 |
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我跟翁小玲兩個職位都跟你支持 好不好你本來就該做的 你看他唱到一直頂頭第二個我要繼續來就教的就是說 你看監所人員的權益的部分一直講 我說這應該給人家啦尤其是這個深夜的一個家籍 |
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大家都同意,司法法治委員會都同意可是你送到行政院的不報院的部分你們變成要求補正資料,我要請問部長跟署長的啦這個署長你來講好了,你到底這是什麼理由,你要補正什麼一個很好,大家都幫你支持,支持到你還要什麼整個案都不出來這也很奇怪,又還漏血,來請說明謝謝委員的關心,這個從去年的五月我們就報行政院的人事行政總署 |
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他4月有跟我們回文他說就那個等級的內容的那個敘述的話希望說我們更清楚一點 |
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對 他覺得是說我們的分級 戒戶的一個跟金額的一個差距的話需要說我們再研議甚至我親自去跟蘇任市長都有跟他報告說明我想蘇任市長他基本上是很支持我們的只要我們給他肯定的這樣的一個說明的話他應該會支持我們什麼時候這個案子可以 |
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我替你協調好不好 朝野政黨全部都幫你們爭取你不這樣 你像譬如說 我去把那個資料看一下你桃園地區 你監守的人一直跑 離開 |
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你就桃園,你離開22個,掉入0,台南21個,處理21個,去買到7個台北,處理14個,去買到6個,這個都不是正常的流動我看這個都是人力的失血 |
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所以這個部分喔 署長你這樣不行 不可以我們大家在跟你鬥雞雞這個你們要講啦 你們要講啦立法院有給你支持的 好 謝謝大家沒有爭議嘛 好不好 好 謝謝到底是說 他們教你講實話 你也要做一下說 這些人離職 |
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調動你們系統性做一個分析,到底是工作壓力太大,或是錢太多,或是說你們的升遷制度出問題,這你們今天都沒什麼做到啦,這個要加油好不好。那另外,講了好多次了啦,書記官的問題啦,我剛剛在這個我們司法法治委員會, |
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講了好多次 越說越嚴重不聽話我覺得書記官的問題越說越嚴重那這怎麼辦你說除了法官跟檢察官人力施警以外我看現在最麻煩的就是這個書記官我看今年這個你看那個新北地院書記官報道率說2%而已 |
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缺額71個 還有2個台灣現在各個地檢署執行的案件數量我看越來越可怕你光新北 台中 桃園地檢署每天處理的說300間 說要300間我看這個人這樣跑沒有辦法進來這個都是基層的這種人力這都是一個崩潰的警訊 |
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552.772 |
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所以我的意思是說這個很麻煩啦 我覺得薪水是不是太多 |
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他那個的確的確因為我們那個最近我們也非常謝謝行政院以及組織總署跟人總有支持那個紀錄會的調整那當我們爭取了28年終於這一次有提到到立法委員謝謝我們立法委員們你說檢察官的助理不用客氣我反正我沒有不然都一直沒通過我不好意思插謊你給我看他在幫我倒貢你給我看那我滾幾次你就好對我們那個書記官跟那個我們線索的同仁的 |
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對這些待遇的調整我們除了吵架以外我們還真的會做事支持你們我們是合作啦 再謝謝業務包括本地人要去集齊啊你有一些地方你該去我們該跟你支持的是一定跟你支持啊該吵架的我們另外來吵啊對不對像這一些講了那麼久的還是要去做突破 |
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650.085 |
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你看那個案子一直在那裡堆積如果說去看那個因為委員都有去看過那個書記官他那個那個資訊課還有那個整個卷齁那個堆得像萬里長城一樣我告訴你這我都不想跟你聽你知道嗎我們這都說到瘋了啦我們雖然不知道這個狀況我們就是要解決問題啊我都認為你們那個薪水都還夠太低啦還要去做一個突破你看你這個要加薪對不對你要加多少而已1370 |
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1370千幾塊我當過書記官的時候是1000塊但是物價指數的話已經超過這個很多了的確是書記官這個工作忙碌是比以前是倍增的好幾倍的增加 |
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這補充我們不要講理由 我們想緩緩啦我們真的要給你支持啦 不然這個會崩潰掉我們再來研究看怎麼樣 這個不能開玩笑那你像譬如說我們現在用那個AI啊 輔助系統啊去減輕他們的工作的一個量能啊這個也都不要留為我們這樣嘴巴在講啦這樣人家說說也沒意思啊 你要趕快看你自己在做什麼因為不容易嘛 在司法界裡面可以當到部長很大的容易 但是該去做的 |
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看在目前 書記官這個補分 案量太多 暴增 大家的離職 想辦法把它解決掉朝野 都給你支持 好不好好 謝謝 |