| IVOD_ID |
167607 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167607 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T11:06:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T11:18:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
許智傑 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:06:05 - 11:18:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長及國家科學及技術委員會主任委員就「落實臺灣AI治理與基礎建設，發展臺灣AI軟體產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請部長請林部長部長早安部長好是我看部長壓力一定很大那個剛辛純講說那個台中要不可取代的城市是那我們主席是台南那我是高雄 |
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所以這個全部都要把台灣變成世界啦不可取代的國家就是除了硬體之外我想軟體也是我們必須要非常努力的部分那 |
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我們大概3月底樹化部會有一個產業座談這是我從去年就一直要求也參與過多次就是我們高雄地區海嵐的建設所以在去年的3月然後去年的6月跟12月我自己也在 |
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高雄辦的AI行農還有AI漁業還有AI商圈的這些座談會那我們也希望說這些AI的應用可以落實在我們的生活當中那針對這個數位港的部分先請教一下部長我們大致上什麼時候可以完成 |
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蘇維港是我想這個是我們一直持續在推動的一件事情所以比較難說是確定說哪時候完成我們應該是想說這個是我們現在就是很重要一件事情是那個算力中心那我們知道說現在有一些台灣的民間的大廠他這個算力中心的選址都會在南部謝謝 |
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南部的那個電力比較充足然後南部的那個就是也是我們現在政府一直希望說把高科技產業不需要通通集中在北部那以前傳統上一些硬體產業像說那個 |
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我們那個台積電等等以前都是在新竹到台北之間所以現在都全台灣佈局了對 全台灣都佈局了那已經北部這個地方已經過度擁擠了那我們是希望往中南部的就是分散所以我現在希望說要要求跟拜託部長就是說我們從 |
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台灣是台積電護國神山是世界的翹楚這個在硬體上面其實是沒有問題的那硬體布局台灣其實也各地都有這個我們也謝謝台積電跟我們中央的努力還有地方的爭取那現在就是說我們相關的配套 |
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譬如說我們數位港 海南站我們應該盡快完成至少這個是資訊流那在全台灣總是我們要有一個自己的安全的穩定的資訊港口可以進出的所在所以這個 |
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為什麼我一直在要求希望能夠盡快完成也希望說部長能夠把這個時間盡量縮短來完成這個數位港海嵐站的這個目標那另外就是 |
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鴻海在台灣在高雄現在他在我們高雄打算蓋兩棟大樓那這些將來可能也是一個重要的算力中心沒錯他上一次我看新聞揮打也合作所以將來會有 |
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光是新聞寫的是4千多顆啦那當然就是說這些未來會變成一個超級算力中心在高雄那我們在想到就是剛剛新淳也有提到就是應用的部分那超級算力中心在高雄之後呢我想包括交換中心在高雄有沒有打算設交換中心 |
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交換中心就是資料交換中心我們現在是希望就是說回答就是希望我們這個算力中心如果設在那邊以後當然裡面會有除了資料以外就是最重要是有AI的model那我們這個地方我們都會努力去做那我們現在先 |
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想法就是說因為我們政府部門也要使用AI政府部門的AI就非常的敏感政府部門的公務員都知道如果直接用美國的AI系統伺服器可能在美國在日本在新加坡所以在台灣要有自己的對以後都是關鍵基礎設施 |
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對 因為那些我們輸入的資料第一個可能資料機密或外洩我們政府的資料不希望流到台灣之外那另外就是說我們在司法上有沒有管轄權如果我們用的是那個在海外的這些資料中心其實我們報案以前大詐等等所以我就說我們打算做自己的 |
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所以我們一定要有自己的資料中心那第一步要使用的可能就是我們這些政府單位都必須用到那個國內的這些資料中心所以我們是從這個方向我們跟民間的企業像那個像鴻海等所以其實AI它有 |
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因為電力的問題 算力需要大的電力所以我們高雄現在 當然鴻海來高雄我們也非常的感謝就是電力 算力 再來就是純力 運力那你的資料中心至少純力 是不是應該也要佈局 |
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是 當然那包括就是交換中心算力跟存力的連結這個都必須要有資料中心跟交換中心去做連結是那這樣子整個佈局才會比較穩定那都是我們自己佈局的也才比較不會有治安 國安的問題是 沒錯所以這個部分我是希望說書畫部能夠 |
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設計一些比較具體的讓國人知道那包括就是像高雄現在的亞洲資產中心比如說台北金融中心的實體在台北最豐富嘛那金融中心的數位化它的data的數位化事實上亞洲資產中心這裡就是一個很好的地方所以也就是說你把 |
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RWA這些把它數位化數位化之後那其實亞洲資產中心這個地方應該就是可以規劃我們的所有的金融業務的純利數位化在亞洲資產中心這個地方我也希望說數化部可以做一下規劃那另外就是說剛剛 |
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齊邁市長現在在亞利桑那嘛對不對就是說這個戰略三角事實上我們除了硬體之外軟體像矽谷或者是舊金山灣區那部長也提過現在有很多移到德州那就是說這一些AI應用 |
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我們將來希望AI for 百工百業但是for 百工百業呢它必須要有一個比較強的輔導的AI應用的團隊來輔導百工百業進入AI的領域那民間現在各公司當然都會各顯神通去努力啦那國家在塑化部的角度有沒有類似這樣一個AI應用的大引擎 |
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OK我們現在速發部我們的政策是這樣子我們有五大政策工具分別是算力資料人才行銷以及資金那因為我們認為說像這種AI這種軟體技術進步太快如果凡事都要由政府來主導的話政府的運作速度會比較慢那我們是希望 |
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我們政府的職責是創造一個生態系以後讓這個民間的公司可以健康的發展事實上台灣是有相當不錯的軟體產業像我們知道的那個趨勢訓練完美移動這個都在都是國際型的公司都是用AI的公司而且他們都是有龐大獲利的公司那我們希望說除了這可以招商到台灣對多幾家像這樣子可以走入國際的AI公司我們希望能培養出來所以我之前有跟 |
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文化部建議過一件事情我覺得我們書畫部可以參考是之前我們所有的電影的投資是以前文化部是用補助不是用投資是而用補助就是說我可能一百元兩百元我準備要補助處理對搞不好就是一開始這樣後來不知道是所以後來 |
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我就跟他們建議說你應該用投資的角度所以現在文化部有一個文策院文策院就是說我不是純粹用補助的角度我是用投資的角度這樣用補助的角度會讓有些人故意要找查的或故意要唱衰的他會說你這個都是圖利這個就很討厭也很麻煩 |
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那你用投資的角度就是說你現在有100億兩天變200億你現在有1000億兩天變2000億這種角度對國家也好對產業的發展也好是沒錯那包括我們的國發基金對我是建議就是說數化部應該去思考一下說如何我剛剛提到了這個AI應用的大引擎是那包括我們自己內部的培養是包括整合各大學變成AI人才培育基地是 |
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或者是說吸納國外的這些已經有具體的而且有經驗的而且有能力的大公司有可能到台灣來投資這就是互相的嘛一方面是招商存錢 招商一方面是用國家的角度去投資把這些AI應用的大引擎扣到台灣來那像現在舊金灣食育他們那邊有很多的AI獨角獸他們是否不同的項目嘛 |
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我們如果國家不管是我們一起投資或是招商來至少國家有這樣子一個佈局未來所有的AI應用的大的引擎或者是大的公司在台灣可以更多這就是我們的目標對這個部分目標不錯啦事務部本來就有設定這樣子的目標那大概 |
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664.797 |
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690.993 |
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那個進度齁 我希望說如果有機會的話 那個蘇華部可以幫忙整理一些進度那我們一方面也可以來了解這個目標實現的機會有多大啦或者是速度有多快時間差不多啦 好那重點就是說我們最後一個簡單的結論啦這個大家都會講到黃仁勳 他說莫定力已到了盡頭啦所以這個加倍已經 |
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692.674 |
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717.998 |
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已經算是小case了將來是加數十倍數百倍都不一定所以我是希望說這個部分希望說我們蘇化部可以做這樣的規劃也希望說那個部長整理一下資料實際下也讓我對這一部分有更多的了解那就拜託那個部長請蘇化部整理一下資料了解一下這些大引擎動作進度到哪裡好 謝謝委員的提醒與支持好 謝謝我們謝謝 |
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721.041 |
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722.301 |
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許智傑委員的發言 |
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許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:09.103000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:09.283000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
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許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:10.223000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:11.163000+08:00 |
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請部長。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:11.163000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:11.404000+08:00 |
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請林部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:11.464000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:17.865000+08:00 |
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委員早安。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:18.725000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:18.985000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:20.125000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:48.922000+08:00 |
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我看部長壓力一定很大，剛剛欣純講臺中要成為不可取代的城市，我們主席是臺南的，我是高雄的，所以全部都要把臺灣變成世界不可取代的國家，除了硬體之外，軟體也是我們必須要非常努力的部分。是。 |
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0.916 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:06:53.235000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:07:26.991000+08:00 |
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在3月底數發部會有一個產業座談，這是我從去年就一直要求，也參與過多次，就是高雄地區的海纜建設，所以在去年3月、6月及12月，我自己也在高雄舉辦AI型農、AI漁業及AI商圈這些座談會，我們也希望這些AI應用可以落實在我們的生活當中。 |
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0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:07:30.653000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:07:37.197000+08:00 |
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針對數位港的部分，先請教部長，我們大致上什麼時候可以完成？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:07:39.906000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:08:05.457000+08:00 |
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數位港是我們一直持續在推動的一件事情，所以比較難確定哪時候完成，現在很重要的一件事情是算力中心，我們知道有一些臺灣民間大廠的算力中心選址都會在南部，因為南部的電力比較充足。對。 |
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0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
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2026-03-18T11:08:09.763000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:08:24.360000+08:00 |
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現在政府也一直希望高科技產業不需要統統集中在北部，以前傳統上一些硬體產業，像台積電等等，以前都是在新竹到臺北之間。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:08:24.560000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-18T11:08:26.082000+08:00 |
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現在都要全臺灣布局了。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-18T11:08:26.442000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:08:33.149000+08:00 |
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對，全臺灣都布局了，北部這個地方已經過度擁擠了，所以我們是希望往中南部分散。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-18T11:08:33.649000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:08:57.833000+08:00 |
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我現在希望要求跟拜託部長，臺灣的護國神山台積電是世界翹楚，在硬體上面其實是沒有問題的，硬體布局臺灣其實也各地都有，我們也謝謝台積電和中央的努力，還有地方的爭取。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:08:59.374000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:09:20.632000+08:00 |
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現在相關的配套，比如數位港、海纜站應該儘快完成，至少這個是資訊流，我們在全臺灣總是要有一個自己的、安全的、穩定的資訊、港口可以進出的所在。沒錯。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:09:20.972000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:09:34.651000+08:00 |
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所以為什麼我一直在要求希望能夠儘快完成，也希望部長能夠把這個時間儘量縮短，來完成數位港、海纜站的目標。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.936 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:09:34.771000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:09:50.046000+08:00 |
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另外，鴻海在高雄打算蓋兩棟大樓，將來可能也是一個重要的算力中心。沒錯。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
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2026-03-18T11:09:50.486000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:10:22.549000+08:00 |
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上一次我看新聞提到它也跟輝達合作，光是新聞寫的就有四千多顆，當然這些在高雄未來會變成一個超級算力中心，我們想到的就是剛剛欣純也有提到應用的部分，超級算力中心在高雄之後，我想包括交換中心，在高雄有沒有打算設交換中心？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-18T11:10:24.543000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-18T11:10:25.103000+08:00 |
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交換中心？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-18T11:10:25.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-18T11:10:26.905000+08:00 |
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就是資料交換中心。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-18T11:10:27.245000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:10:37.193000+08:00 |
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我們希望算力中心如果設在那邊以後，除了資料以外，最重要是要有AI的model。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-18T11:10:37.814000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:10:40.036000+08:00 |
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這個地方我們都會努力去做。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-18T11:10:40.556000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:10:58.802000+08:00 |
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我們現在的想法就是因為政府部門也要使用AI，政府部門的AI就非常敏感，政府部門的公務員都知道如果有直接用美國的AI系統，伺服器可能在美國、在日本、在新加坡…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-18T11:10:59.343000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:11:00.903000+08:00 |
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所以在臺灣要有自己的。對！ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-18T11:11:00.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-18T11:11:01.903000+08:00 |
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那個會有兩個問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-18T11:11:00.903000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:11:01.463000+08:00 |
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以後這些都是關鍵基礎設施。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-18T11:11:04.584000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:11:20.375000+08:00 |
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對，因為那些我們輸入的資料，第一個，可能資料機密會外洩，政府資料不希望流到臺灣之外；另外，我們在司法上有沒有管轄權，如果我們用的是在海外的資料中心，包含以前打詐等等…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-18T11:11:20.535000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:11:22.917000+08:00 |
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我知道，所以我就說我們打算做自己的。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-18T11:11:23.597000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:11:25.299000+08:00 |
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對，所以我們一定要有自己的資料中心。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-18T11:11:25.839000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:11:36.947000+08:00 |
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第一步要使用的可能就是這些政府單位都必須用到國內的資料中心，我們是從這個方向，我們跟民間的企業，像鴻海等公司，我們現在努力往這個方向發展。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.766 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-18T11:11:37.328000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:11:52.353000+08:00 |
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其實AI因為電力的問題，算力需要大的電力，當然鴻海來高雄，我們也非常感謝，就是電力、算力，再來是存力、運力。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-18T11:11:54.393000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:12:01.480000+08:00 |
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你的資料中心至少存力是不是應該也要布局？是！當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-18T11:12:02.241000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:12:24.030000+08:00 |
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包括交換中心，算力跟存力的連結，都必須要有資料中心跟交換中心去做連結，整個布局才會比較穩定，都是我們自己布局的也才比較不會有資安、國安的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.954 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-18T11:12:24.030000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:12:24.650000+08:00 |
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是，沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-18T11:12:24.650000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:13:19.896000+08:00 |
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所以這個部分，我是希望數發部能夠設計一些比較具體的東西讓國人知道，包括像高雄現在的亞洲資產中心，比如說金融中心的實體在臺北最豐富，金融中心data的數位化，事實上亞洲資產中心這裡就是一個很好的地方；也就是說，你把RWA這些數位化，在數位化之後，應該就可以規劃我們所有金融業務的存力數位化在亞洲資產中心，這個地方我也希望數發部可以做一下規劃。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-18T11:13:20.016000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:13:26.930000+08:00 |
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另外，剛剛講到其邁市長現在在亞利桑那，對不對？是！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-18T11:13:28.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-18T11:13:38.981000+08:00 |
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這個戰略三角，事實上，我們除了硬體之外，軟體像矽谷或者是舊金山灣區，部長也提過現在有很多移到德州。沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-18T11:13:41.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-18T11:14:03.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
這一些AI應用，我們將來希望AI for百工百業，但是for百工百業，它必須要有一個比較強的AI應用團隊來輔導百工百業進入AI領域，民間現在各公司當然都會各顯神通去努力。沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-18T11:14:05.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-18T11:14:09.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
國家在數發部的角度有沒有類似這樣一個AI應用的大引擎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-18T11:14:11.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-18T11:14:36.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
現在數發部的政策是這樣子，我們有五大政策工具，分別是算力、資料、人才、行銷以及資金，因為我們認為像這種AI軟體技術進步太快，如果凡事都要由政府來主導的話，政府運作速度會比較慢，政府的職責是創造一個生態系以後，讓民間公司可以健康的發展。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.991 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-18T11:14:36.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-18T11:14:50.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
事實上，臺灣是有相當不錯的軟體產業，像我們知道的趨勢、訊連、玩美移動，這些都是國際型的公司、都是用AI的公司，而且他們都是有龐大獲利的公司，我們希望說除了…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-18T11:14:51.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-18T11:14:53.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
可以招商到臺灣。對！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-18T11:14:53.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-18T11:14:58.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
多幾家像這樣子可以走入國際的AI公司，我們希望能培養出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-18T11:14:58.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-18T11:15:19.163000+08:00 |
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所以我之前有跟文化部建議過一件事情，我覺得數發部可以參考，以前我們所有的電影投資，文化部是用補助，不是用投資，用補助的可能就是準備100億、200億後補助出去，到最後就是錢花掉了，但不曉得效果如何。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.702 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-18T11:15:19.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-18T11:15:21.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
是啊、是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-18T11:15:21.144000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-18T11:15:44.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
後來我就跟他們建議應該用投資的角度，所以現在文化部有一個文策院，不是純粹用補助的角度，而是用投資的角度，當你用補助的角度，有些人故意要找碴的或故意要唱衰的，他會說你這個都是圖利，這個就很討厭也很麻煩。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-18T11:15:44.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-18T11:15:46.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
沒錯、沒錯、沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-18T11:15:46.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-18T11:15:55.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
但如果用投資的角度，你現在有100億，改天變200億；你現在1,000億，改天變2,000億，這種角度對國家也好、對產業的發展也好。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-18T11:15:56.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-18T11:15:57.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
是，沒錯、沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-18T11:15:57.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-18T11:16:37.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
包括我們的國發基金，我是建議數發部應該去思考一下，我剛提到的AI應用大引擎，包括我們自己內部的培養，包括整合各大學變成AI人才培育基地，或者是吸納國外的這些已經有具體、有經驗且有能力的大公司有可能到臺灣來投資，這就是互相的，一方面純粹是招商，一方面是用國家的角度去投資，把這些AI應用的大引擎扣到臺灣來。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-18T11:16:38.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-18T11:16:43.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
像現在舊金山灣區有很多的AI獨角獸，他們是for不同的項目。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-18T11:16:43.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-18T11:16:45.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
是、是、是。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-18T11:16:45.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:00.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
如果國家不管是我們一起投資或是招商，至少國家有這樣的布局，未來所有的AI應用大引擎或者是大公司，在臺灣可以更多，這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:00.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:01.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
是，沒錯，這個就是我們的目標。對！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:01.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:01.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
這個部分的目標不錯啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:01.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:15.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
數發部本來就有設定這樣的目標，我希望如果有機會的話，數發部可以幫忙整理一下大概的進度。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:15.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:16.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
好，沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:16.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:23.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我們一方面也可以來了解這個目標實現的機會有多大，或者是速度有多快…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:23.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:25.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
OK，是。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:25.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:25.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
時間差不多了。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:26.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:17:53.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
重點就是說，最後一個簡單的結論，大家都會講到黃仁勳說：「摩爾定律已經走到盡頭」，所以這個加倍已經算是小case，將來是加數十倍、數百倍都不一定，所以我是希望這個部分數發部可以做這樣的規劃，也希望部長整理一下資料，私底下也讓我對這一部分有更多的了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:53.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:54.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
許委員智傑 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:54.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:01.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
就拜託部長請數發部整理一下資料，讓我了解這一些大引擎的動作、進度到哪裡。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:01.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:02.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
好，這個再請部長提供。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:01.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:02.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
好，謝謝委員的提醒與支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:02.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:07.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
謝謝許智傑委員的發言，非常感謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:07.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:11.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
接下來我們邀請魯明哲委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |