| IVOD_ID |
167604 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167604 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T10:10:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T10:22:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad6053e97e364f4596120d75f3d6415d2a29ea4d1c9dfa77de2098856507347698b5fa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳素月 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:55 - 10:22:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長及國家科學及技術委員會主任委員就「落實臺灣AI治理與基礎建設，發展臺灣AI軟體產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 請主席邀請林部長好 我們請蘇發部林部長委員長早安部長早我們知道現在科技的進步那這個訊息也是非常的就是變化非常快所以對於我們國人的日常其實使用 |
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這個網路去查詢他想了解的事情這是非常稀鬆平常的事情我想應該在座每個人都會有這種習慣想要了解一個人或者一件事情就會用關鍵字去搜尋可是我們現在就是會發現說我們如果用Google去用關鍵字搜尋的時候它跳出來的相關的一個資訊它就是會跳出一個AI的一個摘要這樣的狀況到底是帶來方便還是困擾 |
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我想在這邊跟部長分享幾個案例最近服務處就是接到一個民眾的陳情他來服務處陳情就是說要我們協助他跟這個勞保局申請就是這個代償就是向勞保局申請代償 |
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那他提供的資料就是說目前這個代償的期限可以放寬到五年內那可以追溯試用這樣子他拿這個資訊來可是我們跟他了解之後發現說事實上這個是在2024年的時候這個勞保局確實有希望針對這個部分來做一個修訂然後並做預告可是還沒預告 |
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就已經引起很多不同的意見所以這個部分他就暫緩事實上連預告都沒有那這個民眾他可能之前就是有遇到這種狀況所以他現在他希望能夠申請這個勞保局的一個代償他自己去搜尋之後得到訊息是可以就是在五年內都可以所以他就來要求我們協助提出 |
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申請代償我們剛剛說這個是AI的資訊是不正確的可是他還是跟我們爭辯他是確信不疑說這明明他查詢的資料就是這樣所以我覺得說這樣子的狀況會造成民眾就是他接到了錯誤的訊息然後也會對我們政府可能會產生一種誤解或者是不信任 |
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這是一個狀況那另外一個案例是這是網友分享的就是說有網友他查詢說他在日本他想知道說在橫濱有幾家這個Unicoro的店他要怎麼去 |
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結果他就用Google去搜尋跳出來的給他的建議是要他先去桃園火車站搭乘高鐵到東京然後搭乘這個JR山手線到品川站這個真的是錯的非常的離譜所以就是說針對這個深層式AI的這樣子的高錯誤率許多民眾他往往就是不經查證或者是不知道查證然後 |
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或者是他查證了沒有辦法去分辨這個真假的一個狀況所以導致民眾接收到這樣子一個錯誤的訊息甚至還深信不疑這種狀況我們處法部這邊有沒有什麼因應的想法 |
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是 跟委員說明一下首先這個問題事實上是一直都存在但是有一些改善我們知道在六個月或者是一年以前的話我們用AI去像Challenge PD去查一些問題那常常都是錯誤大概超過一半那我們就講說它是幻覺Hallucination |
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那現在他已經很大的改善但是這個改善以後其實又帶來另外一個新的困擾就是以前我們很容易就跟民眾解釋說你不要相信這個AI產生的資訊因為大部分是錯的民眾也都能接受但是現在麻煩就是在於說他現在大概是九成甚至於九成五是對的那百分之五到百分之十是錯的所以我們要提醒民眾就像剛剛我們看到那個 |
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委員的那張投影片上面老保局的那個AI summary那個下面有一個連結那個要請民眾就是說你重要的事情要點那個連結事實上委員秀的顯示出來兩個Google的那個搜尋的結果上面都有一個那個鏈條的那個icon一個小的圖示只要民眾點那個連結的話你就可以看到原來真實的網站的資訊所以這個要切實提醒民眾 |
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是 那就是說針對這種Google它將AI摘要放在搜尋結果的最上方是這樣子就是會讓民眾誤解誤信說這個就是一個正確的資訊所以這樣子的一個顯示我覺得是不是有可能說讓它移除或者是關閉 |
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事實上目前的狀況以我了解好像是使用者可以選擇他不使用這個AI的那個summary那個是不是請林署長說明一下那現在的AI有剛剛委員講的搜尋之後AI再要在前面嘛後面就是以前傳統的搜尋結果 |
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另外一個你也可以直接選擇AI模式所以它目前是消費者是可以選擇單獨的AI模式也可以參考AI摘要或者不參考AI摘要直接往下到傳統的搜尋結果那AI摘要都會註明出處所以目前的狀況是這樣 |
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當然這就是我們比較理想性的一個想法可是很多民眾他還是會搞不清楚他就是會誤信說這個就是一個正確的資訊我想這就是說民眾在搜尋網路的相關訊息的時候可能會有這種狀況 |
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在運用AI的部分那另外就是說如果民眾他在使用就是AI直接就是使用AI的就是包括機器人這一類的設備的時候可能會有另外一個更危險的一個狀況就是在美國就是發生說 |
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就是民眾跟AI機器人在聊天聊到最後是被引導去自殺的所以這個是更嚴重的一種狀況所以包括我剛剛講的AI災藥這個部分其實涉及到的都是民眾的嗜毒的一個能力所以這個部分我們速發部有在做做的狀況程度如何 |
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這些事情我們當然是會盡量利用各種機會包含各種記者會或者是出一些報告那我們都會提醒民眾要注意這個事情那我們當然我們有很大的挑戰就是實在是AI的進展速度太快了我們如果說立法的話我們通常立法可能要一年的時間但是一年之內AI它的那個改變就已經 |
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就是非常非常的巨大所以我們想辦法盡量利用這種除了立法以外我們就是利用這種跟民眾宣導我們找各種機會去宣導我們也會跟美國的這些AI大廠像Google像Microsoft等等因為他們在台灣他們都有公司我們會持續跟他們溝通就是要求他們做好對民眾保護的工作 |
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第二要補充一下就是我們一年會辦實機場在全國各地去辦理那主要有三個部分第一個是委員關係的AI可能會帶來的風險跟民眾交易第二個是治安可能會帶來的風險那第三個是詐騙可能帶來的風險所以我們一年會在全國各地辦實機場 |
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都是會結合大型的這個譬如說台灣燈會啊我們校園的真材博覽會這些去做這樣的廣宣甚至直接到小學我覺得這樣聽起來好像效果有限其實之前我在委員會就是相關的議題的時候我是有建議說我們應該是要結合學校的教育就是結合教育部去做這方面的一個試讀能力的判讀才對吧 |
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是沒有問題謝謝委員提醒我們往這方面努力跟教育部合作加強在校園內的宣導OK好那我再最後一個問題就是說我們知道像AI的運用是非常的方便可是我們發現就是說有關這個大型AI就是缺乏我們台灣本土的語料庫因為大部分使用的是英文或者是簡體中文 |
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那之前我應該在上個會期之前也曾經提過這個問題那我們也很高興看到就是說我們目前速發部有一個語調庫上線到今天應該差不多三個月那目前的規模大概怎麼樣 |
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現在我們已經在這個台灣主權AI訓練語料庫我們已經蒐集了超過11億個token就相當於11億個中文字那這個只是花了兩個多月的時間我們就蒐集到這麼多那我們會持續的去擴大這個規模那我們現在大部分人這些我們現在這些資料都是來自於政府機構因為政府機構 |
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擁有著作權的話這個事情最容易處理那接下來我們會想辦法把這個餘料庫擴大那也會去徵集民間就是民間的那個作者包含我自己也是作者我就會把我的著作權就是捐出來放在這個餘料庫那所謂捐出來不是說我放棄著作權而是我會簽一個授權條款就是將來如果有人拿我的這個著作去訓練AI模型的話我不會去告他基本上概念就是這樣子 |
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那這個不是常識性的如果說有人不願意捐出來有人希望就是說用收費的這個我們也會努力幫他們就是去就是解決這些問題 |
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我們知道AI的運用其實對民眾來說是非常的生活化我們現在有發現一個問題就是說如果民眾在打119的時候他用台語來說他的需求的時候現在幾乎都是用語音判別AI語音判別所以這種狀況的話他可能沒有辦法去判別 |
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所以我們未來的語調庫有沒有辦法擴充到台語或者是客語的這個部分我們是不是請資料司司長跟委員報告就是說在這個語調庫裡面教育部的台語文的資料他們現在已經積極的在籌劃當中那也有一些央明教導老師就台語的這個部分來做AI的模型那等到實習成熟的時候我們會對外來發布 |
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那大概還要多久時間我再猜應該是上半年就可以完成了就是今年上半年對對對是OK好謝謝好那謝謝謝謝部長還有司長 |