| IVOD_ID |
167577 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167577 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T10:12:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T10:22:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad60538ff7c7b826f99530f85a32efe0b6ef7a854b2f19bd25f70015f377d25edfc7d75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:50 - 10:22:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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宗嘉賓委員今天上午的休息時間在主席諮詢完之後我們休息今天休息六分鐘好 下位之餘請宗嘉賓委員 |
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好 主席 在場的委員先進 列席的政府局長 市長 官員 會長 觀眾夥伴 媒體 記者 女士先生有請我們陳部長 農業部陳部長部長好 來 大家都在關心有個地方的風火啊你會不會擔心斷氣啊 天然氣會關心但是你會不會覺得我們天然氣會中斷 |
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我相信經濟部這邊會有一個完整的方案我們相信行政團隊各部門會把自己的分工業務內顧好保證供應無虞那你會不會擔心現在我們看到了這個禾木寺海峽不只是原油 液化天然氣 石油氣 油製品化肥 剛剛有問到化肥化肥是我們農業生產有必需那化肥之後還有黃小玉 乾貨當然乾貨這個比較不會從禾木寺海峽過來 |
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但是因為全國的航運牽一把動全身這邊擋住了這邊的船動不了了可能整個國際航運會大亂你會不會擔心我們的化肥跟防小育出現問題我跟你們報告在COVID-19的時候那些航運的阻斷比現在這個更嚴重那我們已經有一些應對的經驗所以我想我們會持續關心這個議題包括肥料的來源還有防小育的這些產地的這些價格 |
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我想後續我想如果必要的時候我們會啟動相關的配置我想應該部長經歷過COVID-19我們會做完整的準備那之前我在上一頁我在院外的時候請卓葵注意到在能源自主的部分我們要進行多元開發還要注意到怎麼樣節能開發之後還要節能永續利用好往下看來那請問能源自主跟糧食自主哪一個比較重要 |
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我覺得這兩個都一樣重要很好 標準答案都很重要真的很立場糧食自主這個你也要想辦法來促成對不對那糧食自主要怎麼達成呢我們往下看現在台灣進口美國最多的你看目前我們的國產市佔率黃小玉之外包括牛肉我們本土供應的都少於什麼九成多大部分有九成多是靠進口美國也都差不多照進口的一半對不對那剛之前我們在擔心關稅的時候這個部分都處理妥勝了嗎 |
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我想這些議題我們都有在討論而且已經有一個比較完整的一個規劃但是我們是不是要想辦法減少對不是對美國而已對進口農產品這些糧食安全的立場上要減少對它的依賴提高我們的糧食自足這是我想我們長期的目標長期的目標那我們怎麼去做那我們來看一下糧食自足率人帶努力包括玉米你看國產跟需求自己率只達到2.6% |
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你覺得提高自主率我們有成長的空間嗎我們去產國產玉米能夠滿足我們國內的需求嗎我想我們國內沒辦法滿足黃小玉不能滿足到百分之百但是我們的目標是大概百分之五那我先請教一下這個我們要提高本國的玉米的生產請問目前我們的玉米是人吃的多還是動物吃的多 |
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我們現在的玉米最主要是飼料用對所以其實糧食安全我們進口這些黃小玉大部分是做飼料那如果減少對進口飼料的依賴其實某個程度也是提高我們的糧食自主力 是不是這樣是你們後面不用那麼多人在那裡讓我會有點緊張啦我沒叫他們進來 沒關係啦你們部長對我的答詢應應之欲如啦好 再往下看那請問一下 部長本土農產品是要給人吃的還是給動物吃的 |
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我想我們的農產品基本上大概都是給人吃的我們本土的是要給人吃的嘛所以進口的黃條育是主要是給人菜給東西你剛剛已經打了嘛是那但是如果動物我們養的這個序型沒有東西吃我們人就沒有東西吃嘛對不對因為我們是吃這些家禽家畜嘛 |
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所以進口的黃小玉如果我們的畜牧業能夠減少對進口黃小玉的依賴是不是有助於我們糧食安全的提升是好很好那我們來看一下所以我要提醒一點這個題目跟你探討過很多次我們進口很多食材之後加工後有一些剩餘這些加工後的剩餘其實如果進入了畜牧業在一個防疫跟食安的前提之下進入我們這樣的一個永續循環你支不支持 |
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我絕對支持絕對支持好那希望你們能夠往這個方面落實因為現在在討論到一些我們這個續期養殖的時候農產加工的剩餘物有各種的類型哪些適合在符合防疫跟食安的情況之下可以進入到這個食物鏈來讓我們本土的農業可以減少對進口飼料的依賴正你強調嘛對 |
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所以你要知道我們農業的剩餘大概有三個優先順序第一優先做什麼做飼料第二優先呢做肥料第三優先呢 |
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做燃料所以但是我們看到現在的農業剩餘呢常常去直接做燃料這很可惜如果可以做飼料的可以生產動植物蛋白質供我們補充如果是可以做肥料的可以植物性蛋白質補充我們是不是這樣子所以農業部請遵照這個順序好往下看來那我們現在發現我們林保署齁剛剛林保署這時候可以上來了啦齁如果他在的話我們使用國產材是為了減少對進口的木材的依賴嗎 |
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我覺得還有其他的目的像什麼我覺得整個自然碳匯是一個非常重要的沒有錯我們買人家的柴木柴在那邊長的樹那邊有碳匯木柴製品到我們這邊來我們有碳排對不對所以我們國產柴其實是為了我們國內的零項的更新永續好那請問一下目前國產柴署長你們好像在推國產柴人家說國產柴進口價格高啊台灣的木柴加工業者會用國產柴嗎 |
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貴鬆鬆啊 高價的低價的都要進口的啊已經有改善了對 因為這幾年國際的運價其實也在調高所以國產才變得比萬倍有競爭力 對大概是哪些財種 大部分是柳杉柳杉大概的應用上是做什麼東西包含家具 比如像您剛剛講的客桌椅是的 好 來 部長接下來又讓林保署長說這個怎麼問到他 你有沒有看過這隻羊 |
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這隻羊很有名,這是綿羊部長你看過這個新聞嗎一個澳洲綿羊巴拉克離家住著五年身上長了35.4公斤的羊毛是什麼意思如果說今天羊毛沒有消費市場 |
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農民就不會幫什麼幫羊剃毛對不對所以有商業的市場我們國產的財我們的零項才會有自然的什麼能夠去替化嘛是不是所以呢如果要讓我們本國的森林國土保安的立場我們本國的樹木我們要保護 |
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但是也要有自然的掩替之外我們如果國產材去化後有商業的用途自然的抒發、種植就是成為循環你支持嗎?支持是供需的一個平衡才能夠引導所以今天零保署它叫做零保署它不是像以前我們學校的什麼木材有砍樹的有撤其外、有淨其外我們目的是整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
467.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
482.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
國產國有林的一個國土保持在這個情況之下林 森林的林項要自然的傾城代謝代謝的過程要透過抒罰罰的東西要商業市場才能夠促進這整個循環你支持嗎支持好 那現在問題來了現在國產財現在要做客桌椅 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
487.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
496.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
這是一個 只有這個用途啦大概基本上我們市面上買的木家具耀文國產做的不多嘛 因為你說柳木嘛一般你們家裡有用過柳木的家具嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
497.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
522.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
連IKEA的都不是啊 都是用進口的啊所以怎麼辦所以呢 其實在市場的自然機制下他只要缺乏競爭力是不是可以我在屏東就做的公益媒合跟無立法委員 怎麼樣我們說 我們未來啊學校對一年前的入學新生送他一套可以用九年的課桌椅他每升一級就搬著課桌椅到新的教室國中畢業還可以帶回家部長你覺得這個有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
523.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
546.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我也覺得這個非常有創業的做法很好 但是這你能做嗎我很願意跟教育部來一起討論沒有錯以前你們跟教育部合作什麼班班吃食班生生有鮮乳來 再給你一個新的論文往下一頁就是生生使用國產的客桌椅好不好你要不要跟教育部來調整一下我一定會跟他講我禮拜五總之今天就跟他講好 謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:15.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:18.460000+08:00 |
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主席、在場委員先進、列席政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士、先生。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:18.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:18.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
有請陳部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:18.860000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:18.900000+08:00 |
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請農業部陳部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:18.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:19.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:18.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:18.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:19.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:19.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
大家都在關心有個地方的烽火，你會不會擔心斷氣啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:19.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:20.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
斷天然氣？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:20.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:20.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
會關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:20.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:21.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
但是你覺得我們天然氣會不會中斷？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:44.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:48.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
我相信經濟部這邊會有一個完整的方案。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:48.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-18T10:13:53.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我們相信行政團隊各部門會把自己分內業務顧好，保證供應無虞。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-18T10:13:55.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-18T10:14:25.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
現在我們看到荷姆茲海峽不只是原油、液化天然氣、石油氣、油製品、化肥等，剛剛有委員問到化肥，化肥是我們農業生產所必須，化肥之後還有黃小玉、乾貨，當然乾貨比較不會從荷姆茲海峽過來，但是因為全國航運牽一髮而動全身，這邊擋住了，這邊的船動不了了，可能整個國際航運會大亂，你會不會擔心我們的化肥跟黃小玉出現問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.89 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-18T10:14:25.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-18T10:14:43.464000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，在COVID-19的時候，那些航運的阻斷比現在更嚴重，我們已經有一些應對經驗，所以我們會持續關心這個議題包括肥料來源，還有黃小玉的產地價格，後續如果有必要的時候，我們會啟動相關配套。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-18T10:14:43.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-18T10:14:57.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
我想應該部長經歷過COVID-19，會做好萬全的準備，之前我在院會的時候就請卓揆要注意，在能源自主的部分要進行多元開發，還要注意到怎麼樣節能，開發之後還要節能永續利用。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-18T10:14:59.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:01.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
請問能源自主跟糧食自主哪一個比較重要？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:01.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:03.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
我覺得這兩個都一樣重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:04.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:05.685000+08:00 |
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很好，標準答案，都很重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:05.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:10.527000+08:00 |
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站在你的立場，糧食自主你也要想辦法來促成，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:10.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:11.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
糧食自主要怎麼達成呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:13.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:26.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
現在臺灣進口美國最多的農畜產品，目前我們的國產市占率除黃小玉之外，包括牛肉，本土供應都少於九成多，大部分有九成多都是靠進口，美國也都差不多占進口的一半，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:27.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:29.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
之前我們在擔心關稅的時候，這個部分都處理妥善了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:32.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:36.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
這些議題我們都有在討論，而且已經有一個比較完整的規劃了。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:36.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:45.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
但是我們是不是要想辦法減少，不是對美國而已，在糧食安全的立場上，對進口農產品要減少對他的依賴，提高我們的糧食自主，有沒有這樣的…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.741 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:45.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:48.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
這是我們長期的目標。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:48.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-18T10:15:49.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
那我們怎麼去做？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-18T10:15:51.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:01.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
糧食自給率仍待努力，包括玉米，你看國產與需求自給率只達到2.6%，你覺得自給率我們還有成長的空間嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:03.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:06.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
國產玉米能夠滿足國內的需求嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:07.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:11.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
國內黃小玉不可能滿足到百分之百，但是我們的目標大概是5%左右。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:13.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:21.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
好，我先請教一下，我們要提高本國玉米的生產，請問目前我們的玉米是人吃得多，還是動物吃得多？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:22.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:24.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我們現在的玉米最主要是飼料用。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:24.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:33.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
對，所以其實糧食安全，我們進口這些黃小玉大部分是做飼料，如果減少對進口飼料的依賴，其實某個程度也是提高我們的糧食自給率嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:34.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:34.622000+08:00 |
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是不是這樣？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:35.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:36.982000+08:00 |
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你後面不用那麼多人站在那裡，讓我會有點緊張。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:37.102000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:39.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我沒叫他們進來，你們都回去。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:39.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:40.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
好、好，沒關係啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:40.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:43.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
你們部長對我的答詢應付自如。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:47.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:50.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
請問一下部長，本土農產品是要給人吃還是給動物吃的？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:51.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:54.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我們的農產品基本上大概都是給人吃的。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:54.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:56.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我們本土的是要給人吃的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-18T10:16:56.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-18T10:16:59.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
所以進口的黃小玉主要是給人吃還是給動物吃，你剛剛已經答了。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-18T10:17:00.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-18T10:17:06.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
但是如果我們養的畜禽沒有東西吃，我們人就沒有東西吃，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-18T10:17:06.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-18T10:17:17.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
因為我們是吃這些家禽、家畜，所以如果我們的畜牧業能夠減少對進口黃小玉的依賴，是不是有助於我們糧食安全的提升？是。很好。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-18T10:17:18.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-18T10:17:36.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
所以我要提醒一點，這個題目跟你探討過很多次，我們進口很多食材之後，加工後有一些剩餘，這些加工後的剩餘如果進入畜牧業，在防疫跟食安的前提之下進入這樣的永續循環，你支不支持？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-18T10:17:37.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-18T10:17:37.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我絕對支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-18T10:17:38.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-18T10:17:56.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
好，希望你們能夠往這個方面落實，因為現在討論到一些畜禽養殖的時候，農產加工的剩餘物有各種類型，哪些適合在符合防疫跟食安的情況之下，進入到食物鏈讓本土農業可以減少對進口飼料的依賴，這個是你強調的嘛？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:02.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:06.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
所以你要知道我們農業的剩餘大概有三個優先順序，第一優先是做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:06.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:08.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
做飼料；第二優先呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:09.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:09.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
做肥料。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:10.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:10.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
做肥料；第三優先呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:11.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:12.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
做燃料。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:12.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:17.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
但是我們看到現在的農業剩餘常常直接做燃料，這很可惜！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:17.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:24.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
如果可以做飼料，就可以生產動物性蛋白質供我們補充；如果可以做肥料，就可以生產植物性蛋白質來補充我們，是不是這樣子？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:25.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:26.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
所以農業部請遵照這個順序。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:28.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:36.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我們現在發現林保署……林保署這時候可以上來了，我們使用國產材是為了減少對進口木材的依賴嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:38.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:39.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
還有其他的目的。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:40.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:41.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
像什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:41.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:44.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我覺得整個自然碳匯是非常重要的。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:44.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-18T10:18:52.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
沒有錯，我們買人家的木材，在那邊長的樹，那邊有碳匯；木材製品到我們這邊來，我們有碳排，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-18T10:18:52.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:02.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
所以國產材其實是為了國內林相的更新永續，請問一下，署長，你們目前好像在推國產材？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:03.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:06.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
人家說國產材比進口的價格高，臺灣的木材加工業者會用國產材嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:08.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:11.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
「貴參參」啊，高價的、低價的都要用進口的。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
林署長華慶 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:11.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:12.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
不會，這個情況已經有改善了。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:12.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:13.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
有改善了？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
林署長華慶 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:13.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:17.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
對，因為這幾年國際運價其實也在調高，所以國產材變得比以往…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:18.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:19.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
有競爭力？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:19.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:21.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
大概是哪些材種？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
林署長華慶 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:21.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:22.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
大部分是柳杉。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:23.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:24.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
柳木嗎？柳杉。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:25.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:27.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
柳杉應用上大概是做什麼產品？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
林署長華慶 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:28.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:31.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
包含家具，比如像您剛剛講的課桌椅。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:32.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:36.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
部長，接下來又要讓林保署署長覺得怎麼問到他，你有沒有看過這隻羊？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:38.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:41.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
這隻羊很有名，這是綿羊，部長，你看過這個新聞嗎？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:41.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:47.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
一隻澳洲綿羊巴拉克離家出走5年，身上長了35.4公斤的羊毛，這是什麼意思？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:48.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-18T10:19:55.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
如果說今天羊毛沒有消費市場，農民就不會幫羊剃毛對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-18T10:19:55.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-18T10:20:04.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
所以有商業的市場，我們國產的材、我們的林相才能夠自然去化嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-18T10:20:05.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-18T10:20:05.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-18T10:20:06.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-18T10:20:22.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
所以，如果要讓我國的森林、國土保安的立場，我國的樹木我們要保護，但是要有自然的演替之外，我們如果國產材去化後，有商業的用途，自然的疏伐種植成為循環，你支持嘛？支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-18T10:20:22.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-18T10:20:25.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
這是供需的平衡才能夠引導。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-18T10:20:25.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-18T10:20:50.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
所以今天林保署，叫林保署，不是像以前我們學校什麼木材有砍樹的、有種樹的，我們目的是整個國有林的國土保持，在這個情況之下，森林的林相要自然新陳代謝，代謝的過程要透過疏伐，伐的東西要有商業市場，才能夠促進這整個循環。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-18T10:20:50.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-18T10:20:51.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
你支持嗎？支持。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-18T10:20:51.873000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:20:58.465000+08:00 |
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現在問題來了，現在國產材要做課桌椅，只有這個用途啦！ |
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0.913 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:20:59.266000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:04.036000+08:00 |
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基本上，市面上買的木製家具用國產做的不多，因為你說柳木嘛！ |
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0.923 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:04.898000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:06.461000+08:00 |
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你們家裡有用過柳木的家具嗎？ |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:07.591000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:09.573000+08:00 |
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連IKEA的都不是，都是用進口的。 |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:10.033000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:11.314000+08:00 |
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所以怎麼辦？ |
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1 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:11.754000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:18.599000+08:00 |
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其實在市場的自然機制下，它主要缺乏競爭力，我在屏東跟伍麗華委員就做了供應媒合，怎麼樣？ |
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0.718 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:18.599000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:30.869000+08:00 |
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我們說未來我們學校對一年級的入學新生送他們一套可以用9年的課桌椅，他們每升一個年級就搬課桌椅到新的教室，國中畢業還可以帶回家。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.881 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:31.529000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:32.450000+08:00 |
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部長，你覺得這個有沒有可能？ |
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1 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:33.493000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:35.934000+08:00 |
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我覺得這是非常有創業的做法。很好。 |
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0.933 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:36.214000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:37.655000+08:00 |
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但是這你能做嗎？ |
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1 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:37.655000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:41.637000+08:00 |
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我很願意跟教育部一起來討論。 |
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0.923 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:41.637000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:42.198000+08:00 |
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是的，沒有錯。 |
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0.6 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:42.198000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:51.083000+08:00 |
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以前你們有跟教育部合作「班班吃石斑」、「生生有鮮乳」，再給你一個新的任務，就是「生生用國產課桌椅」，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.86 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:51.843000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:53.064000+08:00 |
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你要不要跟教育部來調整一下？ |
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1 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:53.224000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:54.785000+08:00 |
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我一定會跟他們講。 |
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0.875 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:54.785000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:55.785000+08:00 |
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好，我會支持你喔！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:54.785000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:56.786000+08:00 |
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委員，我禮拜五總質詢時就跟他講。 |
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0.643 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:56.786000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T10:21:56.806000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-18T10:21:57.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-18T10:22:00.734571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
謝謝鍾佳濱委員精彩的質詢。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-18T10:22:01.034571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T10:22:04.177429+08:00 |
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下一位請鄭正鈐委員質詢。 |
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0 |