| IVOD_ID |
167568 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167568 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T09:20:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T09:28:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad6053c51c4bf71af036c675f3d6415d2a29ea854b2f19bd25f700b11edd5d93528f7f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:20:03 - 09:28:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長及國家科學及技術委員會主任委員就「落實臺灣AI治理與基礎建設，發展臺灣AI軟體產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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我們請林部長 |
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委員早安林副長我們今天的一個專題報告就是談我們AI治理大家都在談AI我們今天的報紙也已經談到 |
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我們的一個揮打是他也要來擴大版圖是要來養龍蝦是什麼是養龍蝦你林部長你身為我們的這個數法部長能不能藉由這個機會來跟我們說明什麼叫做養龍蝦 |
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OK 我們現在大家在講說養龍蝦講的其實是那個最近有一個很紅的叫做Open Cloud的開源軟體那這個就是所謂的Agentic AI那我們以前用那個ChatGPT等這種AI工具的時候就是它純粹是跟我們對話不會跟現實的世界產生任何的那個互動 |
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但是有這個Agentic AI以後呢就是說我們這個可以透過那個Open Cloud就是這個我們講的說龍蝦這個軟體我就可以讓這個LLM這些大型語言軟體去幫我做一些事情譬如說他可以幫我在在YouTube上面發布影片然後也可以幫我去訂機票等等那是 |
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那你不只要說有掌握嘛之類那我在這邊想請教既然我們現在的這種AI代理的這樣的一個數位助理就這樣的開源式的一個AI代理程式那已經廣泛在運用那尤其我們看到 |
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包括我剛剛講的會展也都要來開發了但是從剛剛部長所談我們就了解這樣的運用用AI來使用AIAI來運用AIAI來使用AI我們產生的這樣的一個高效率我們是看到它正面正面的一項那我想請教部長這樣的一個 |
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一個養龍蝦這樣的一個open crowd這樣的一個這樣的代理的一個城市它在風險 治安的風險你這邊有沒有任何的一個看法 |
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OK的確大家都注意到因為這個龍蝦可以幫我們做很多事情他甚至可以使用我們的信用卡去網路上去買一些東西或者買一些服務所以現在所謂的風險除了個資以外甚至有時候會幫幫我們去刷卡然後刷了很多很多的錢讓我們那個一覺醒來發現說我的那個錢包破了一個洞那因為這個原因所以事實上昨天 |
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就是那個輝達黃仁勳他也宣布說他們要做一個叫NEMO CLAWNEMO CLAW就是在那個OPEN CLAW上面的基礎上面他們做了一些加強那這些加強主要就是在那個資安方面的加強資安我們就了解嘛 |
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就是Open Cloud有它的資安風險還是很高所以黃恩興他們要推的就是Nemo Cloud希望在資安風險在企業的引用能夠更加的在風險安全上能夠更加的控制嘛對不對我們這樣有論點是對的好 |
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那既然我們都知道有風險 是但是我們現在也很多用戶在養龍蝦 是對不對 那風險又存在那我要請教 那我們速發部啊我們針對這樣的資安風險我們有跟上嗎 我們有什麼計畫的作為嗎 |
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是委員這個問題非常好因為現在AI的發展非常快速事實上我們在書發部在於AI的監理上一直有一個必須做平衡一方面是我們希望說做一些監管保護大家的資安等方面的安全但是另外一方面我們又擔心說太多的監管會阻礙到科技的發展事實上這個也是歐盟跟美國我跟你講 |
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部長我們的速度要快我們身為數位部我們管理對治安的一個建立我們一定要跟上我們AI的速度那現在很簡單 |
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我們已經看到大陸已經限制公部門還有國家的企業都不能養紅蝦我們也看到包括Meta、Google、微軟、Amazon等等也都禁止員工來使用Open Cloud |
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那大陸昨天他的國家安全部也公布了所謂一個龍蝦安全養殖手冊來示警養龍蝦可能會面臨的風險等等 |
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那我在這邊我們認為我們事發部是否已經也啟動這樣的一個風險評估有沒有任何的一個相關指引的作為那我們有沒有 |
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在演繹我們的速度上能夠是不是也可以來評估啊我們來發布我們的農家安全的一個手冊等等這些措施市發部有沒有準備是委員講得非常好謝謝委員的提醒但是因為這個科技的發展實在太快了對啊真的很快啊 |
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譬如說前天我們認為說那個Open Cloud有很多的資安風險可是昨天那個黃恩勳又發表了那個Nemo Cloud以後他很多那個之前前天發生的那個風險昨天已經就是被他解決掉所以今天我們在這裡討論的AI的專題報告是沒錯那我們已經看到AI的整個快速的這樣的指數型的快速逆轉 |
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我們期待速發不要跟著上時代這是最重點的速度速度是非常重要的對我們的一個速度跟安全嘛要相對所以我在這裡特別 |
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也要求我們樹發部要特別來努力好不好這個養龍蝦的安全關係著社會大眾關係著企業希望能夠跟上腳步那在這裡我們還要補充跟樹發部我也做一點要求跟肯定是 謝謝詐騙是國人大家真的就是覺得是一個很嚴重的問題 |
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那林部長有跟我提到我們打詐過去我們跟日本要調資料要兩個月現在縮短到三天我想這對打詐很有幫助但是我們目前對Meta Google這些平台我們還要多久如果需要調閱資料 |
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我們現在Meta跟Google目前Meta應該也很快多快三天也是三天吧Google比較慢一點 |
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一個月所以我們期待我們樹花部繼續努力好不好如果我們的目標也是三天所以我們打炸才有幫助這是我們提取的好不好 美麗樹花部我們加油好 謝謝 |