| IVOD_ID |
167560 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167560 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T09:48:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T09:56:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad60533cccf281942747bbd268b4a161496bd9f13775304d9d746a798c8af07a2370ec5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:48:01 - 09:56:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、 邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、 邀請核能安全委員會、經濟部、台灣電力股份有限公司就「我國核電廠再運轉之規劃及推動現況」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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有請陳明珍主委來 請陳明珍主委 |
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主委好 委員好前兩天教育部公佈說公費留學的項目新增了合工學門那就我了解之前這個留學項目並沒有合工學門對不對所以是今年 |
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才在三年一次檢討項目輪次當中新增是因為河安會發現河能的人才面臨斷層所以要請教育部來申請新增嘛對不對是的好那我想請問現在河能人才面臨斷層的狀況如何為什麼會有這樣的一個需要因為這個前陣子的非休假孕政策之下 |
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很多學生不願意選擇核能這個專業非常好第二呢大家也不願意出國學核能這個專業考慮到這個工作的問題我覺得這邊我很肯定我們的主委就說也確實是因為非核家園的政策 |
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那導致今天很多學生覺得在台灣學習跟河工、河能有關的一些學門實際上發現未來可能前景不夠燦爛,前景黯淡所以也導致今天學習的動力下降那我當然肯定河安會願意面對人才問題開始有了措施不過這邊我也要提醒政府 |
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就像剛剛主委講的其實為什麼造成這個人才斷層有一個很大的原因就是民進黨執政來的施行的非核政策非核家園的政策那麼他讓我們今天的核能專業就出現了一個明顯的斷層那讓我們曾經花了50年 |
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培育的合工人才我看到你們的資料說也出現了老化的問題年齡偏高的問題那甚至未來5到10年還會出現退休潮也就是在這種合能人才可能產生所謂的斷層乃至於空缺的情況之下 |
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那當然也就對我們的核能的安全在運轉上就出現一些影響所以今天核安會請教育部來去把所謂的新增核工學門來增加公費留學的項目這點我是給予肯定那但是我要請經濟部跟台電你們也上來一下主委留步 兩位也上來來 |
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請教一下經濟部核定台電對核電廠的現狀評估報告指出核二廠核三廠具備再運轉的可能性並且同步啟動自主安全檢查以及延提再運轉計劃 |
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是好那台電依法要提出兩個主要文件一個再運轉計畫跟執行報告那另外就是有老化評估管理耐震安全輻射議題等報告那這是自主安全檢查相關文件那合廠部分的話台電要配合乾除的作業期程進行自主安全檢查嘛 |
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那現階段河安會要辦理繼續運轉審查掀起準備工作也要邀集台電就河電廠再運轉來進行討論那政府說台電3月底把河山再運轉計畫送到河安會來盡快完成自主安全檢查那我想請教請問河山重啟現在進度如何 |
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第一個剛剛委員已經非常清楚的說明我在大會的報告裡面也有提到我們乾市儲存的一個進度那去年我問一下更精確的問那河安會評估審查時程大概需要多久請問主委河安會審查時程大概要多久已經送到河安會了嘛對不對還沒有沒有嗎還沒有還沒有送那什麼時候送過去 |
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我們下禮拜大概就三月底之前大概就會送三月底前送嘛那三月底前送的話那請問河岸會預估的審查時程大概需要多久 |
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他不只是政院的計畫以後還寫老化評估、地震等等的報告總不能遙遙無期嘛一年要看他的材料準備的狀況怎麼樣我沒有說你審查一定要過啦我說你審查期程大概需要多久一年?兩年? |
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三年 這個要看他的報告的相近程度 越相近我們審查時間會越短好 那我就要問 你曾經說這個河岸會台電如果做得夠確實 快速回覆意見那就現場視察順利進行 其倍的話有可能在2028年重啟 |
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所以2028這個數字,照你現在連一個期程怎麼做你都沒有明確的把握,2028這個數字有可能嗎?是有可能,2028有可能。那2028有可能今年是幾年了?2026年了。對。那請問你光審查你要多久時間?你要趕在2028重啟就會審查多久時間要有結果出來? |
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當然要看台電是不是不是這個是邏輯問題時序邏輯問題嘛你設定2028你今天要能夠重啟的話那你光審查時程請問審查過了以後馬上就可以重啟嗎是不是我們審查過後會給他那個運轉的執照他可以裝填燃料那我就問運轉執照給了以後請問經濟部請問台電要多久才能夠重啟大概幾星期 |
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我想我這邊跟委員澄清一下三月底送的再運轉計畫我有一個比擬好了他等於是一個白米選手他已經離開運動場我知道啦我知道啦我要把他回到白米的起跑點我台電要做什麼我現在提給他的報告大概就這樣大概有三大部分我跟你講那你就不要講2028這個數字給我聽 |
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不是嗎你知道現在你的百米起跑你跟我講還沒開始跑然後你中間到底會遇到什麼樣的風阻遇到什麼樣的選手遇到什麼樣的場地你通通不知道你就是2028年是這個意思嗎我今天問的時序邏輯你聽不聽得清楚啊我只問說今天審查到什麼時候你今天審查完成之後你需要多少作業時間 |
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這你總要給我一個數字吧目前來我跟你們報告因為後面還有一個所謂的安全的自主的安全的檢查你還是打不出來所以這部分其實上目前都還在進行中那到底審查的結果可能有些設備我必須要去做一個更換講審查講不出時間審查完多少設備設備的狀況設備的狀況必須要經過檢測檢查聽聽聽我跟你講我講很簡單的事情 |
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你們不要講一個2028給大家期待嘛今天就很明顯拆穿了嘛2028根本就是空話嘛不是嗎你光審查期限多久我舉個例子到現在就是這兩年嘛我審查期限一年那你有沒有辦法一年之內讓那個核電廠重啟那就是個數學問題啊那如果審查期限是要一年半那你半年有沒有辦法包委員這是安全的問題 |
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當然啦 我要問你嘛 那你就不要講2028嘛所以今天直接公然打領2028嘛 你根本就沒有 心裡沒有個底2028只是隨便說說而已嘛 就這個結論啦 很簡單啦最後啊 我還是要特別強調啦 亡羊補牢為時未完 |
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講了十年你今天民進黨非核加人政策就是錯誤用什麼核廢作為理由那現在很簡單那請問核廢解決了沒奇怪了現在就能解決了那奇怪以前就不能解決說穿了不做的藉口千百個要做決心一個謝謝 |
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羅委員智強 |
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有請陳明真主委。 |
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主席 |
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請陳明真主委。 |
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陳主任委員明真 |
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1 |
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委員好。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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主委好。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:48:20.868000+08:00 |
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前兩天教育部公布了公費留學項目新增了核工學門，就我了解，之前留學項目中並沒有核工學門，對不對？是的。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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所以是今年才在三年一次檢討項目輪次當中新增，是因為核安會發現核能的人才面臨斷層，所以要請教育部來申請新增，對不對？是的。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:48:49.117000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T09:48:53.639000+08:00 |
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我想請問，現在核能人才面臨斷層的狀況如何？ |
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0.947 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:48:53.959000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T09:48:55.740000+08:00 |
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為什麼會有這樣的一個需要？ |
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1 |
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陳主任委員明真 |
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因為前一陣子的非核家園政策之下，很多學生不願選擇核能這個專業。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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非常好。 |
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1 |
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陳主任委員明真 |
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第二，大家也不願意出國學核能這方面的專業，也就是考慮到工作上的問題。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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我很肯定我們的主委，確實是因為非核家園的政策，導致今天很多學生覺得在臺灣學習跟核工、核能有關的一些學門，事實上發現可能未來的前景不夠燦爛、前景黯淡，所以也導致今天在學習上的動力下降。 |
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0.905 |
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羅委員智強 |
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我當然肯定核安會願意面對人才問題並開始有了一些措施，不過在這邊我也要提醒政府，就像剛剛主委講的，其實為什麼會造成人才斷層？ |
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0.895 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:49:54.767000+08:00 |
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有一個很大的原因，就是民進黨執政施行的非核家園政策，它讓我們今天的核能專業出現了一個明顯的斷層，讓我們曾經花了50年培育的核工人才……我看到你們的資料說明，也出現了老化及年齡偏高的問題，甚至未來5到10年還會出現退休潮，也就是在所謂核能人才可能產生斷層乃至於空缺的情況之下，當然也就對我們的核能運轉在安全上出現一些影響，所以今天核安會請教育部新增所謂的核工學門，來增加公費留學的項目，這一點我是給予肯定，但是我要請經濟部跟台電兩位也上來，主委留步。 |
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賴次長建信 |
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1 |
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委員好。 |
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0 |
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羅委員智強 |
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請教一下，經濟部核定台電對核電廠的現狀評估報告，指出核二廠、核三廠具備再運轉的可能性，並且同步啟動自主安全檢查以及研提再運轉計畫，對不對？是。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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台電依法提出兩個主要文件，一個是再運轉計畫跟執行報告，另外就是有老化評估管理、耐震安全、輻射議題等報告，這就是自主安全檢查相關文件，就核二廠部分，台電要配合乾貯的作業期程進行自主安全檢查，現階段核安會要辦理繼續運轉審查先期準備工作，也要邀集台電就核電廠再運轉進行討論。 |
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0.895 |
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羅委員智強 |
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政府說台電3月底把核三再運轉計畫送到核安會來儘快完成自主安全檢查，我想請教核三重啟現在進度如何？ |
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0.844 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:07.294000+08:00 |
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第一個剛剛委員已經非常清楚地說明，我在大會的報告裡面也有提到我們乾式貯存的進度，去年…… |
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0.925 |
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羅委員智強 |
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我更精確地問一下，核安會評估審查時程大概需要多久？ |
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0.783 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:27.040000+08:00 |
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請問主委，核安會審查時程大概要多久？ |
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0.938 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:27.821000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:28.881000+08:00 |
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已經送到核安會了嘛！ |
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0.889 |
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羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-18T09:52:29.061000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:29.221000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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1 |
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陳主任委員明真 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:29.221000+08:00 |
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還沒有，我…… |
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0.75 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:30.281000+08:00 |
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還沒有嗎？ |
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0.75 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:30.842000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:31.602000+08:00 |
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還沒有送，那什麼時候送過去？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:40.806000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:43.228000+08:00 |
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下禮拜，3月底之前大概就會送。 |
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1 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:43.549000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:44.249000+08:00 |
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3月底前送。是。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:45.570000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T09:52:50.415000+08:00 |
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3月底前送的話，請問核安會預估的審查時程大概需要多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-18T09:52:52.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-18T09:52:57.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
不只是再運轉計畫，還有一些比如老化評估、地震等等的報告都要…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.63 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-18T09:52:59.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-18T09:53:00.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
總不能遙遙無期嘛！一年？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-18T09:53:02.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-18T09:53:08.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
這個就要看它準備的材料及狀況怎麼樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-18T09:53:08.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-18T09:53:09.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我沒有說你審查一定要過啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-18T09:53:09.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-18T09:53:14.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我是問你審查期程大概需要多久，一年？兩年？三年？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-18T09:53:15.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-18T09:53:21.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
這個要看報告的詳盡程度，如果越詳盡我們審查時間會越短。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-18T09:53:22.198000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-18T09:53:44.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我要請問，你曾經說核安會、台電如果做得夠確實、能快速回復意見，就現場視察順利進行齊備的話，有可能在2028年重啟，所以2028這個數字，依照現在你連一個期程怎麼做都沒有明確的把握，2028的數字有可能嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-18T09:53:44.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-18T09:53:46.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
是有可能，2028有可能。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-18T09:53:48.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-18T09:53:54.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
2028有可能，今年是2026年，請問光是審查要多久時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-18T09:53:54.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-18T09:53:57.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
你要趕在2028重啟，請問審查多久時間要有結果出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:00.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:01.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
當然要看台電是不是…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:01.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:04.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
不是，這個是邏輯問題，時序邏輯問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:07.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:13.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
假如2028要能夠重啟的話，光是審查時程……請問審查過了以後是不是馬上就可以重啟？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:14.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:18.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我們審查通過會給它運轉執照，它就可以裝填燃料…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:19.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:24.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我就問運轉執照給了以後，請問經濟部及台電要多久才能夠重啟？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:29.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:38.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我這邊跟委員澄清一下，3月底送的再運轉計畫，我用一個比擬好了，它等於是一位百米選手，但他已經離開運動場了…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:38.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:38.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:39.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:44.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
要把他拉回到百米的起跑點，台電要做什麼？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:44.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:47.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我現在提給它的報告大概就是這樣，大概有三大部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:47.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-18T09:54:51.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我跟你講，那就不要講2028這個數字給我聽，不是嗎！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-18T09:54:52.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:05.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
現在你跟我講連百米起跑都還沒開始跑，然後中間到底會遇到什麼樣的風阻、選手或遇到什麼樣的場地，你通通不知道，只丟一個2028年，是這個意思嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:05.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:08.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我今天問的時序邏輯，你聽不聽得清楚啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:08.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:10.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我只問今天審查到什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:11.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:13.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
今天審查完成之後，你需要多少作業時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:15.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:16.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
這總要給我一個數字吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:19.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:23.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我跟委員報告，因為後面還有一個所謂的自主安全檢查…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:24.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:24.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你還是答不出來…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:24.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:33.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
所以這部分目前都還在進行中，審查的結果可能有些設備必須要去更換…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:33.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:35.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
好啦，講審查講不出時間，審查完多久可以重啟？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:35.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:36.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
就沒有明確答案嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:35.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:36.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
設備的狀況必須要經過檢測、檢查，然後還有一個……停！停！停！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.609 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:36.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:48.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我講的事情很簡單，你們不要講一個2028給大家期待嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:48.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:50.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
今天就很明顯拆穿了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:51.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:54.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
2028根本就是空話，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:54.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:56.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
你光審查期限要多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:56.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-18T09:55:57.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我舉個例子，到現在就這兩年嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-18T09:55:58.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:05.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
若審查期限一年，那你有沒有辦法一年之內讓核電廠重啟，就是個數學問題啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:06.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:09.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
如果審查期限是要一年半，那你半年有沒有辦法…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:09.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:10.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
報告委員，這是安全的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:11.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:11.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
當然啊！對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:11.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:14.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
安全的…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:14.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:15.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我要問你嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:15.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:16.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
那你就不要講2028嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:18.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:19.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
所以今天直接公然打臉2028嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:19.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:24.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
你心裡根本沒有個底，2028只是隨便說說而已，這就是結論！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:24.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:25.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
很簡單啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:26.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:41.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
最後我還是要特別強調，亡羊補牢為時未晚，講了10年，今天民進黨非核家園政策就是錯誤，用什麼核廢作為理由，現在很簡單，請問核廢解決了沒？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:42.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:42.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
奇怪了！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:42.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:50.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
現在能解決，以前就不能解決，說穿了不做的藉口千百個，要做決心一個，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:50.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:54.913714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
謝謝羅智強委員的質詢，請官員回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-18T09:56:55.213714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-18T09:56:58.070857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
接下來有請陳秀寳委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |