| IVOD_ID |
167558 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167558 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T09:43:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T09:52:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad6053631fcf77c68c01c6f85a32efe0b6ef7af13775304d9d746aa167abc7ae7a34905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:01 - 09:52:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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農業部陳部長 |
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部長好我想看完你的這個整個報告那我比較關心的大概都是在智慧農業的一個部分那在這邊的話呢今天大概幾個問題請教一下的大概就是包含了智慧農業4.0的成效台美的貿易關稅衝擊跟變陽漁業的一個勞權的一個困境 |
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那在第一個來講的話呢其實我把你們所有的這些這個施政的報告115年的我把有關智慧的東西大概都抓出來那我也去抓了審計部100億的預算中心還有一些我們一些學界的一些的評判的報告那事實上來講大概有這幾個問題第一個 |
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我們通常很多部會 農業部也是都會強調說我建置了多少 下載了多少事實上這種東西的KPI是已經過時了也就是說我要看到的我們看到關心的是你的使用的效益 |
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那我現在下載之後我的active user就是我一直長時間使用的量這些活躍性的用戶的數量是多少然後對他的成效有沒有幫助不管是在成本的控制或者是產業的效益 |
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那假設你號稱的11萬次的一些的下載就是做某些APP那對照一些農業人口也是要去考量你的這一個使用率夠不夠再來很大的一個問題從歷屆審計部的報告還有以前我們在做這個智慧農業的時候其實這個資料的整合度很糟糕 |
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完全是不足再來的話就是導入的成本偏高再來就是產效預測的一個不彰成效的問題那另外跟這個整合不足有關就是因為你沒有去做這樣的標準化那我大概再往下看幾個簡單的盤點像第一個農災的APP這個GPS的定位極度不穩那你在強制拍攝的時候基本上有些腦容的一個使用的狀況 |
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那審計部在過去也調查過你的這個拍回來的面積基本上是小於你這個土地的補助的面積所以這個東西的資料的落差要去把它精實的弄到 |
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那另外來講的話像這個在製農的生態系的一些的補助那這些補助的話通常都要求他的這個資本的形成一個門檻當然這個對青農或者是產銷班就是一個很大的負擔所以這個地方也許可以參考一下經濟部的做法有一些是比較中大型的有一些是比較新創的那在這方面的一個審查的補助的一個門檻 |
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可以讓我們這些有製回來的輕農或者是比較活躍性的比較接近央視帶的這樣子的一個產銷班可以來做進行那當然這還有很多的問題包含漁船的Wi-Fi那個5億的前陣的匯管還有這一個你假裝了Wi-Fi之後那船東他可能認為管理權不善不好管也不願意裝 |
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那犬中的地圖APP我看到剛剛這個您的報告裡頭也有這樣的說明但是在這個人犬衝突的熱區這裡很像沙鹿那個深坑那個地方那基本上也要把它列入一個即時的更新那某些東西還在做這件事情就是好好的因為我們花了這些的錢所以一定要從你的使用效益來看這件事情 |
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那底下這邊的話我想也就是我剛講的整個在你的導入的時候這個智慧化的一個工具你要看的是它的售價的一個提升或者是通路的拓展風險的降低所以你的KPI的設定不要再用那種output的一個方式 |
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我有多少人下載我建置了多少功能我使用了多少的資料資料對我來講如果你是Garbage in那就是Garbage out一點效益也都沒有那這個會導致到一件事情我們常常在這些的新聞報章媒體雜誌都會看到我們希望 |
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透過數位化的方式透過大數據分析甚至你們今天常常喊的AI各部會常常喊AI農業部也是我覺得你是會AI而AI就很麻煩資料一定要對資料一定要及時像這一個的預估本來就是很困難的一件事情從我們以前做智慧系統的角度來看 |
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你的資料的清洗、標誌、收集、涵蓋率是不是夠再來你的模型到底是用什麼樣子的模型然後準或不準會不會去調所以我覺得這些東西大概是我從比較資通訊專業的角度來提醒農業部因為我們花了很多的錢 |
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所以這個地方來講的話我想請部長做一個簡單的回答就好非常謝謝委員的一些建議特別是非常專業的一些建議那我第一個跟各位跟委員報告智慧農業是當初我在農業實驗所當所長的時候勾發出來的 |
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那當初的整個智慧農業的規劃,重點是在智慧農業的落地所以整個農業的生產,智慧農業是一個協助,它不是主角它是一個協助的作為那第三個部分剛才你特別提到了,我們如果透過很多GPS在定位的時候會有不準其實我們在過去三四年當中,我們導入了RTK的系統 |
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所以現在全台灣的農業的這些無人機在飛的時候都透過RTK定位的時候它的精準度可以達到兩到三公分它就不會隨著一般的那個我們所用的手機做漂移所以有很多我同意剛才委員所說的我們很多KPI是用所謂的人次或是使用的次數我覺得我們的KPI應該是將智慧農 |
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業協助產業的落地的那個成果當作我們的一個指標我想後續我想我會要求我們的同仁做這樣的一個處理好我想這個在之後的話因為我對這個問題很關心因為用科技來幫助農業是我過去的長期的工作項目之一 |
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我有做過很多智慧農業相關的尤其是在物聯網、田間作物的偵測農漁業的養殖等等所以這裡頭我還是拜託部長以及所屬這些相關的單位回去好好盤點一下你們的智慧農業的預算然後要做的工作 |
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然後以及過去不管是審計部或是立法院預算中心給你們的缺失報告那之後的改善缺失那可不可以寫一個完整的分析報告給我多久這樣一個月可以嗎一個月可以好謝謝再來 |
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那下一個的話呢這個我想都是一樣的問題因為資料是很重要的所以在你的分析報告也納入資料的這樣子的統合因為這個是很多人詬病的我在各地方縣市做的IoT資料但你沒辦法彙整回來你的農業部就不會有什麼就不會有數位儀表板你就不會有精確的這些的分析好 |
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那再來的話呢當然在我們的關稅大家談了很多ART的東西但是我還是提醒部長尤其是在這個稻米的底價啦或者是這個自動承認農藥的MRL或者是像這些GI的品牌危機雖然他都寫在比較附近的這個小的地方那我還是希望部長給我們一些在產業的衝擊分析報告裡頭也可以交給我們 |
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我第一個要跟委員說明這個台美的協議我們現在談的絕對不是一個喪權辱國的一個配方它其實對台灣農業反而是一個新的機會跟新的契機那我想後續我想我們會陸續將我們得到的這些新的契機跟新的競爭力的部分來提供給委員好那最後只有一個簡單的問題拜託你們的資訊去更新一下 |
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因為現在的是122所以是10%加MFN但是你們的網站還是在15%15%根本川普都還沒宣告的好 這個我想我們會立即改因為上次在院的那邊就已經跟你們講過好 那最後主席讓我10秒就好 |
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因為現在要接著是做301301的條款的調查它對於我們的漁業勞工的勞全的問題那因為時間的關係你再給我一個這樣子你們過去準備的這些因為要做聽證會嘛要做產業報告所以這些東西要送交美國301聽證會的時候你們準備的資料也送一份給我可以嗎可以好 謝謝好 謝謝洪義強委員請部長先回座好 下一位資訊委員請楊瓊英委員 |