| IVOD_ID |
167552 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167552 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T09:31:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T09:42:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad605318f1ecbf8712b482f85a32efe0b6ef7af13775304d9d746aa7c63afbaf1f10e85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:31:17 - 09:42:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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請張家俊委員謝謝主席 我想請陳部長物業部陳部長 |
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部長我想先請您看幾張照片就在前幾天我跟丁學中委員一起去這個田裡面你看得出來這是什麼作物嗎大蒜那你看得出來它跟正常的大蒜有什麼不一樣嗎 |
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夜燒枯萎沒錯你是專家這個夜燒枯萎代表著什麼就代表著說對而且代表著說他已經沒有辦法再進行光合作用所以他的球體是沒有辦法繼續增大的那針對這個病蟲害 |
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目前農業部這邊有什麼樣的措施?據我們試驗單位同仁的了解就是它相關於跟葉蠻有關的蟲害的部分那我們也啟動了我們的區改良廠來協助我們的農民做相關的一個防治的一個作為這就是一個問題所在因為我先請教您知道這一分地種植成本大概有多少嗎? |
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好 沒關係你們都不知道這個種植成本大概要6萬6萬喔然後呢 每撒一次農藥就是成本在增加我那一天去田間 這照片上沒有看出來那個農婦 她就坐在餐廳烤 |
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他就在那靠說 歐國衛就要修行啊現在他就在賣現在要再噴農藥 要再加一筆開銷他現在是要噴還是不噴噴下去 修行也不一定好 像噴下去又加料那假設 部長你設身處地在他的這個情況之下你覺得是要噴還是不要噴 |
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我想當作物遇到病蟲害的時候農民看到這些病蟲害就應該要去做善盡這樣的一個管理是 但是在這之前他已經噴了好幾次他全部照著正常的田間管理所以呢問題就在於說他現在已經受到病蟲害非常可能已經一定會面臨失收會賠錢了 |
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現在再叫他每再噴一次農藥他就是越賠越多那這個困境到底怎麼解決呢 |
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不過我跟委員報告因為要看你每個田區的個案有一些已經從葉間黃到葉根了那可能噴掉效果就不會那麼好但是有時候是剛剛發生的時候你去噴是絕對有效的所以我沒有辦法剛剛我舉例因為這不是單一田間這是非常多鄉鎮現在都發生這個狀態 |
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我合理懷疑當然我不是專家我合理懷疑是因為極端氣候然後地球暖化所產生的一些變化那所以沒有辦法按照我們以前的那種天時下去種植跟以前的田間管理有辦法去維持到豐收的狀態所以呢他們現在 |
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被不斷追加的農藥錢 他說本來如果噴三次會好現在要噴五次壓力真的大到喘不過氣來那我想要知道說 你們有沒有可能可以有任何的救助辦法來協助他們 |
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現在目前天然災害救助辦法病蟲害是農民該負的一個責任所以沒有辦法用天然災害救助的辦法去做協助難道這個極端氣候然後氣候變遷地球暖化所導致的病蟲害不算是天然災害救助辦法中的不可抗力因素嗎 |
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我覺得委員不能一概而論因為如果說病蟲害發生就可以開天然災害的話那大家就不用去噴藥啦那我再舉例那為什麼當初屏東的洋蔥 |
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可以當初屏東的洋蔥因為劇烈的氣候變化受到病蟲害的侵襲農委會就核定說恆春的洋蔥可以納入天然災害補助呢請問一下這個為什麼屏東的洋蔥可以雲林的蒜頭不可以這個評判的標準在哪裡我不知道委員所提到的這樣子的一個 |
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中央社的一個報導是哪一年然後他下這個標不見得就是這個因為我們在做天然災害判斷的時候就是部長你要去查你要去查你知道你背後站了多少人嗎你背後站了8個都搞不清楚狀況我們那個高中長他說陽中是因為天然災害不是因為病蟲害 |
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但是相對的天然災害造成的哪一種天然災害它上面就寫說去後劇烈變動遭受病蟲害侵襲寒雨 冬天的寒雨造成因為那我問你那我問你寒雨是那我們現在忽冷忽熱就不是這個判斷的標準我想我們天然災害判斷是沒有辦法說服大家的有我們的專家的判斷基本上呢 那就是天然災害 |
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直接的影響 並從來第二次的接近部長 你就是判官 你知道嗎 你就是農民的判官你不能一出來就判他們死刑 你知道嗎我們是根據相關的天然災害救助辦法去依法行事那如果假設 寒雨可以 現在這幾個月忽冷忽熱不可以 |
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你覺得這合理嗎 這判斷的標準在哪裡我再講一點 我幫農民再講一點你現在的意思就是說做這個農業 從事農業 雇農 有賺有賠 |
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報果致富那不就跟那個理財你跟那個理財的專家講的不就一樣嗎但是你不要用這種方式去影射我我沒有要影射你你不要再激動我現在是希望你幫忙我希望你幫忙我現在告訴你說昨天你講說保駕收購是農業退步的 |
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退步的什麼你講我現在就問你嘛當初丁薛忠委員問院長的時候你們次長說要維持在27塊27塊你維持得住嗎如果你現在這裡可以跟我承諾你27塊維持得住我給你按個讚但是我覺得27塊還不夠能不能再拉高 |
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473.249 |
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第一個我農業部不會啟動保駕收購但是你有其他的辦法對我會來協助農民去穩定價格我不拘泥你的辦法我也不拘泥你說你要保駕收購但是你要想盡辦法的去維持這個價格但我目前看到是已經大家出來說23塊啦 |
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那你27塊是在天空飄啊最重要的一點 你說23塊是加工算的部分我覺得有很多數據不能把它混淆然後我現在再跟你講12月底開始到現在將近四個月 三個多月算頭是已經接近採收期囉 |
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大家都在擔心說要減少進口不要讓價格崩盤這應該是最基本的道理吧是不是 我想我們 |
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政府沒有權利去禁止進口但是我們有所謂的那你要稍微控管吧我們有配額然後有關稅外的加價你知道嗎從12月到現在進口了超過8000噸的蒜頭短短不到4個月進口了8770公噸的蒜頭應該沒那麼多吧這個是有數據的2000多我們這個數據接到現在2700 |
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的蒜頭中間阿根廷佔了8430噸我在想農業部怎麼討論保護蒜農的收益為什麼要在產季的前夕大放大放開放進口呢大量開放進口這是什麼意思嗎我覺得委員不能這樣講我們的大蒜有配合 |
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配額外的關稅還有一個保護機制我現在是在提醒你我不是在怪罪你你可以不要自動啟動這個保護機制嗎我現在提醒你的是你又去預防這個狀況怎麼會你不去掌握這個狀況我們有掌握所有的進口的算 |
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那你是不是你現在答應我說你會努力去把蒜頭維持在27塊以上這樣可以嗎我想我們會盡我們的能力去穩定相關的蒜農的收益我們的相關的方案很多都出來了我們相關的方案公告就會知道 |
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大概什麼時候公告 我可以知道嗎我們會盡快的 盡快的公告 盡快是三天 五天 還是十天 我們盡快的公告你內心沒有底嗎 我有底但是我們會盡快的公告對啊 我也希望你可以盡快 因為這些人喔 這些農民他是晚上都在家裡考我跟委員 我非常感謝委員對蒜農的關心那我相信委員 |
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相信我們農業部一定會跟農民站在一起我們會啟動一些相關的一個機制來確保農民的一些收益好 相信你 好不好但是你不要讓我失望欸你不要過了下個月我又在這裡再問你這個然後你再告訴我其他的好不好好 謝謝張教卿委員 |