| IVOD_ID |
167541 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167541 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-17T14:30:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-17T15:00:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
盧縣一 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:31 - 15:00:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本院秉持國家安全優先、強力捍衛領土完整之原則，若美方發價書明文公布之拖式、標槍飛彈續購及M109A7自走砲等三項對美軍購案簽約期程屆至之前尚未完成相關預算之審議，茲授權行政院先行與美方簽署發價書（LOA），以保障國家戰略利益。行政院應於簽署後即刻向立法院提出完整相關武器交貨期程報告，回歸審議常軌，履行行政院於預算編列前後完整說明之義務，不得再以『國家安全』為名，規避民主審議與理性監督。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月13日）二、同意權之行使事項：本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。（3月13日）三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（3月17日）四、3月13日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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院長有請行政院長、衛福部長及原住民委員會主委歡迎主委院長、衛福部長、原住民委員會主委、原住民委員會主委備詢 |
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盧委員好院長好那首先我先謝謝大概三月初的時候我有去原住民委員會針對我們PRIDE年底要在桃園市舉辦我跟原住民行政局的局長一起拜會我們 |
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原住民主委希望能夠支持這項會議在年底的舉行也就是泛太平洋地區的醫師的聯合大會那也希望衛福部可以支持我在隔了兩天以後我跟外交部的人員也跟原住民醫學會的理事長也做個視訊會議 |
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希望他的補助能夠比較上屆的在澳洲舉行的那個金額那也希望我們市部長能夠支持這項會議講到這個一個契機就是說這次我們要辦這個世界原住民醫學的大會在台灣 |
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可是看到我們現在治理我們原住民主健康的一個單位還是在我們所謂的科級的一個層次也就是在我們的護理及健康照護師這樣一個底下的一個規格那可以看到你要跨部會的一個整合比如說我們現在要拜會原民會我們要拜會外交部要拜會一些相關的閣員的時候是不是如果一個科的層級確實是沒有辦法來處理這樣的一個事情 |
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我們就平均裡面來看我們現在是6.98歲根據澳洲的研究是每10年大概會縮減一年不過按照我們國人的努力我相信這個進度會更快一點 |
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當然我們要處理的問題就是原鄉醫療巡迴服務健康處健文化健康站這些種種的一些問題我相信我們醫護人員真的是非常的辛苦那我想請問部長這方面有沒有一個時間表給我 |
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好跟委員說明確實如這個剛剛委員提到的過去呢這個原民大概跟我們的平均餘命相差大概是10歲左右在103年的時候那到113年的時候我們已經縮短到7歲所以我們確實在過去這幾年有努力的在縮短這間的差距那當然在因應著這個少子女化跟這個 |
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高齡化的社會我們在做這個主改那在這個組織改造的過程當中也會做內部的任務的調整那麼原本呢我們的這個護理及健康照護師裡面的也有這個專門負責3D理導科那未來我們會去強化在這個援助民族健康的部分的這個責任跟任務所以請您放心我們會來強化 |
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那常常会有人说就说可能是不是原住民族已经被涵盖在各项的一些福利里面比如说儿少啊长照啊这些那我是希望说讲清楚就说 |
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就算說這些都涵蓋了可是我們的特殊需求還是沒有被處理所以才會有這些健康不平等的現象產生所以我還是希望有個時間表希望在這個會期至少可以達到一個師的規格然後希望在近幾個月看看部裡面能不能有一個期程就是說就往數的方向來規劃當然裡面可能要咀嚼的就是一些法源這些組織要怎麼弄一些元額預算要怎麼整合這些部分 |
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我相信邊走邊看我是覺得說應該可以朝這個制度來走可以嗎好我們來朝這個方向提升這個他的這個專責的程度現在我們還有一些研究單位在國衛院可是國衛院今天沒有來那我知道他今年的預算是2500萬我想知道這2500萬是以後是固定有還是每年還是要去跟爭取呢這個是基本額度啦就是我們會建立這個原住民族健康的資料庫還有他也會有這個 |
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納入原住民族相關的專家或者是代表有一些計畫就是原住民族健康議題的計畫的身體像今年我們就有合訂六個計畫那是相關 除了資料庫的建立這個大概每年都會持續的維護跟擴充另外就是針對議題性的跟學者專家來合作提升原住民族相關的研究跟轉譯 |
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因為我知道專門的研究人員像只有一名那我想知道說這個研究題目誰要決定那這個判讀是如何解讀然後政策是誰要來做來做一個所謂的一個拍板定案那我是覺得原住民委員會的這個角色在哪裡好跟委員說明在我們這個原住 |
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民族健康委員會我們在部裡面有設一個原住民族健康委員會委員會下面就設了四個組中間有一組就是調查研究組還有一個叫做中長城計畫組所以現在我們正在擬定下一期的中長城計畫所以也都會先經過這個原住民族健康委員會政策之一會這下面先討論之後才會提出來那研究的題目也是一樣會在這個會裡面先去討論 |
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我們常常被人家詬病就是我們常常我們所檢查的項目跟一般漢民族跟我們的主流社會是一樣的可是明明我們的疾病形態跟基因形態本來就不同所以這些原住民族的健康資料庫有沒有真正進入決策這個部分然後做事實的修正或者說癌症的篩檢有沒有事實的導入應該是更貼近原住民的需求這個我希望部長跟園民會這邊能夠可以做一個連結 |
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有有有 這個我們有連結 舉個例來講我們在做幽門螺旋菌篩檢我們就發現在原民部落的代菌率比較高所以我們一開始的這個前驅試驗前驅試驗就是在原鄉開始推動那今年我們是擴大到全部的各鄉鎮所以這個就是我們當時候一開始就發現有這個差異性所以我們就會把它提為這個優先的這個示範或者是推動對象 |
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那不知道從什麼時候開始尿酸檢查就不再列入為全民健檢的一個項目可是大家都知道原住民族的尿酸值本來就比較高可是沒有這項檢測以後醫師還要特別再去找一個項目去勾選這樣會浪費時間我是覺得說就原住民地區應該就普遍要篩檢我們的尿酸值到底有多高那所以我剛才所說的比如說資料研究政策預算 |
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事散分離啦 所以我還是希望說把我們的成績可以提高我們在做溝通的時候會比較容易 可以嗎好 我們來努力 微博部長請回好 謝謝何言下面我們請農業部長麻煩請農業部長備選 |
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針對台美的對等貿易協定我知道國家做了很多努力可是就偏向來說我想知道農業部的一些態度就是說我們有沒有單獨盤點比如說我們原鄉的農場蔬果高山茶、咖啡、紅莉、小米、樹豆部落加工等等我覺得有沒有一個獨立的窗口在做這樣的事情 |
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我跟委員報告就是原鄉本身的這些作物通常都是很具有特色的這些作物那這些作物我想我們都一直持續的在輔導我們成立了一個原住民的一個技術栽培的一個輔導團隊那這個團隊本身針對不管是紅藜或是小米或是你剛才講的這些 |
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總統的地方特色作物我們都希望種了以後後面要有通路所以我們一直媒合了這些原住民特色的產品而且給他一些品牌的特色然後銷到後面的市場 |
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那就原民會這邊我知道我們有原住民族農產消極價值輔導計畫還有我們所謂的原住民族經濟永續發展計畫對不對那我知道個人是補助20萬那如果是團體的話是補助200萬那是最高那我想知道說這樣這個國際變遷這些計畫裡面有沒有哪一條是可以處理我們這次的貿易衝擊有沒有可以直接處理我們偏鄉的一個運輸的補貼 |
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應輸的補貼我們這個主要是在補助就是說你有一些機器合作是需要一些機器他要買一些機器而且是比較適合我們原鄉的一些機器我們有這樣的補助我知道所以我說這些計畫裡面我看看看了一個大概是有低碳示範產業推升創新成長這些包裝設計 |
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那我是說如果沒有做貿易衝擊防護,也就是說沒有作物保護,也沒有偏鄉運輸補貼的話,我覺得這次的衝擊我是覺得沒有真正落實到安全網這樣的一個概念。 |
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這我們可以考慮把這個都加進去所以我希望能夠做到兩件事情就是修正我們原住民族永續發展計畫跟農產運輸加值輔導計畫的補助指標第二個就是把貿易衝擊防護及偏鄉運輸補貼正式納入這樣的話就可以跟農業部共同提出原鄉產業的衝擊評估OK 好 謝謝委員跟委員報告原鄉的這些農產品 |
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在他的這個生產的品項當中外銷的比例並不是頂高所以我們認為衝擊不是頂大但是農業部還是有相關的整個支持的措施但會影響比較大的可能都是旅遊文化這一類的民間消費所以對於交通的部分我們在原鄉也有幸福巴士幸福小巴的這些現有的措施可以來補助一些關於旅遊上面在而且或者是從業的司機 |
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這個運輸業者他們在這個油價差額上面的一些補貼那這個都是有的只是說農業本身應該沒有那麼大的衝擊但是旅遊文化其他相關的消費我們還是會有一些補助的措施對我們因為我們相對比較小以示弱勢所以我常常會講說這樣的話他有沒有資格去申請那個300億的所謂我們的農安基金啊那這樣的話 |
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是不是有没有个独立的审查标准原乡的传统作业的什么类别有没有数据可以证明说有些名单上面真的可以对原住民原乡有利益 |
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我跟委員報告現在農安基金300億並沒有正式的啟動會等到整個台美的關稅很確定了以後但是在特別預算裡面有我們有180億的這個基金那這個部分針對主要外銷的部分那您剛才講的原民的部分如果有一部分是有牽涉到外銷的部分那就可以用這樣的方式來協助好那謝謝那我們請農業部長請回那請交通部長請交通部長 |
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那我們現在大概就是在偏鄉的話就是有幸福巴士偏鄉MARS這些彈性的預約服務所以涵蓋率已經到95%以上那雖然我們感覺現在是進步很多那我還是想要知道說我們人要移動農產品也要移動是不是我們這個冷凍鏈或者是說我們的人到得了醫院這些規劃裡面有沒有在你的這個進程的一個計劃裡面 |
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像委員報告交通部負責的是民眾的移動包含剛剛院長所說的觀光客的移動這個部分我們會有一些計畫包含幸福巴士在內那我們偏鄉也確實很多的小朋友跟老人家透過幸福巴士獲得很好的公共運輸的服務這個部分我們的補貼都有但是對於冷鏈的部分目前不在交通部的業務範圍裡面 |
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那我有一個構想叫客貨供載還有什麼我們就醫的這些交通車是我們目前有在討論這個方向就是說因為有時候只有載人上面還有一些空間那如果有需要載貨的話這個目前也在我們檢討的範圍裡面我們希望能夠靠客貨供載讓整個車輛的運用的這個效率可以更高那可以有更多的車輛願意到偏鄉去不管是載人或者是載貨這方面的協助我們是會來做的 |
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因為這方面是最困難的也是最不符合經濟效應的如果是你又把它推回地方政府的話我相信這個又會石沉大海 |
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其實幸福巴士這個案子呢地方政府是主管單位但是補助的部份交通部會來補助那目前我們也希望地方政府可以朝向客貨供載的這個方向如果在這個民眾搭車的過程當中能夠安全獲得保障我們希望能夠朝向這個方向那我們也會積極來跟地方政府來溝通好 那我就希望是原鄉偏鄉有車可以坐然後農產品可以走得出去病人到得了醫院 |
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然後我們的物流成本不至於壓垮我們的本地的產業這樣謝謝請回有請我們環境部長麻煩請環境部長備詢 |
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最近去了環境部一趟就是針對我們返山的崩電案那知道有重啟那個出省的一個補正在省的一個問題那我想知道你目前的態度是怎麼樣 |
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包委員現在如果說這個風電離岸風機、陸域風機離居民的住宅500公尺以內那一定要環評那我們現在的態度是如果是跟民眾有關那當然一定會嚴格把關所以這個目前來說的話還在審核當中所以我們現在基本上也會幫屏東的民眾等於是關注這個事情 |
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我先肯定環評委員他這次是有注意到就是說應該是不是有部落的諮商同意那鳥類生態的調查是不是有一些落差針對一些低頻噪音一些什麼遜影效應對鄰近民眾跟學校的一些影響我當初我有去參加他們的一個說明 |
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我們還是覺得說部落同意這個部分的形式上是不是太過簡單所以我一直希望園民會能不能訂定一個標準你什麼時候要去介入因為通常這種關係部落誰來召集程序要做到什麼程度我覺得你要說服當地的民眾 |
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我們會裡面我們已經明確的要求這個開發單位他應該要依原住民主基本法第21條的相關規定那必須要辦理諮商同意的程序 |
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那我們知道這個範圍應該就是指的獅子鄉的風鈴部落跟他上面的那個單路對那這兩個部落是關西部落就必須要跟他們就是要開部落會議要取得就是希望來諮商同意這個我們有明確了 |
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有明確的要求這個公司我希望反三封電案它是一個很重要的契機因為它剛好是在漢元的一個生活領域裡面它有獅子鄉有反三鄉所以如果把這件事情處理好或者說可以做以後類似像這樣子一個案件的一個所謂的指標那如果真的以後確實有興建的話你們到底是做了哪些努力我覺得這個方面也讓國人知道如果就針對傳統領域這樣的重大開發 |
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你確實讓每一個在地的生活的族人理解這個國家要綠電要怎麼樣國家的發展可是對他們的生活的影響的層面要達到最低這些前前後後要做的努力我相信那個環境不可以做把關 |
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那还有一个就是他们丰港西种植西瓜60年的这个案件现在屏东县政府大概也做了一些初步的一个裁示可是在相关的网页上面没有看到所谓的裁罚跟查处结果跟改善清单所以我希望行政院能够责成屏东县政府能够对丰港西的查处有一些 |
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時程表或者說退場的一個機制啦第二就是說如果確實他沒有辦法遲遲未做改善的話他總不能一直讓那個地區的民眾一直在享受那樣子的一個蒼蠅跟惡臭嘛能不能依照地方制度法第76條來啟動後續監督或是帶刑的程序第三個在國有登記完成之後國常署對戰友的清償補償金騰空返還以司法處處理時間表也要一併公開 |
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這個我們會裡面跟縣府的 屏東縣政府的延民署我們一直有在處理這個事情也很明確的就是告知我們公所有一些部分該停就是停所以我們並沒有說這個事情我們會一直來協助解決那個地方這個西瓜的那個部分當然有一些地也不是原住民保留地那應該是這個國有財產局的土地一樣 |
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縣政府也是會一併來一起處理希望不要造成我們的族人很大的困擾如果確實要出租的話他應該就部落傳統領域的話應該還是要取得部落同意的參與最後就是我還是希望原居法能夠長出制度的牙齒因為我們一直在講原居法第21條結果每次遇到這種開發案的時候 |
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地方政府或者是主管單位就是三推四推然後一直在拖延然後邊開會邊補正然後一直很像在騙主委那個把戲不斷的上演我希望園民會能夠站在這個主管機關的角色來確實把這件事情做好會 我們會跟縣政府全力來配合協助好 謝謝我們環境部長好 謝謝第四個 請公共工程委員會主委歡迎公共工程委 |
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陳柱惟被選 |
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好 主委好 我們這次馬太案的重建就是專編了300億的特別預算嘛那我們之前有講到一個名利村的教訓就是說其實他們明明地方政府都已經有在警示希望能夠趕快處理那個潰堤的風險不過它還是發生了所以我認為 |
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我希望這個工程會跟水利署能不能提出地方市警納入中央評估的一個具體SOP也就是說你地方通報之後中央多久會看誰來判斷何時補正最後誰拍板負責拍板因為名利村的這個教訓已經很清楚沒有把在地的知識放進去的專業可能就是盲目的專業 |
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報告委員 明麗村原來那裡有一段是沒有堤防 它是因為井林比較有一個小山所以在鳳凰颱風的時候 水有溢過去所以透過排水 然後進入明麗村不過那部分現在堤防已經做好了 而且做得相當高那至於整個撤離市井的部分相關機關 包括農衛部 那麼委託幾個大學在模擬 |
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當有一些指標比方說這個氣候啊下雨量啊有些指標到達某種警示程度的時候就要啟動撤離的這些動作這個都有持續在進行中對那我希望主委能夠把我們地方市警納入中央的一個SOP好不好地方市警地方市警以後你要納入中央的一個 |
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有 它這個相關學術當內都有在模擬這個要撤離的相關的這個指標不過整個撤離的工作還是屬於地方政府要撤離的 |
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我看了1月14號有一個工程機制第11502-00024這個函現在立法院提出書面報告也就是行政院在公告災區範圍的時候有把秀林鄉跟濁西鄉納入災害認定的範圍這是遲來的正義不過納入災區以後我想知道這兩項的實質重建的資源在哪裡是從現有的270億執行額度去雲支還是要動用到保留額度 |
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271裡面都已經有各部會他有提出計畫來那麼這裡涵蓋了光復鄉還有鳳林還有萬榮那麼都有包括在內所以我們秀林跟濁西沒有秀林鄉跟濁西鄉沒有嗎秀林鄉 |
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跟馬太岸 這是馬太岸的特別預算沒有包括秀林鄉你們有公告的災區範圍那災區它有可能就是比方說鳳凰颱風或其他颱風公告為災區嘛有那個工程會來來審的一個災區受損的 |
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1341.06 |
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工程這個是由中央統籌分配稅款來支應的不是用特別預算因為這兩個所兩個相關所他們想知道他們自己可以動之多少他們被納入是不是只上作業而不是只是這個他們應該透過摘損要透過縣政府來報到工程會工程會會跟相關主管部會那麼現場去看那麼到底需要多少錢那麼就會由中央統籌分配稅款來核定好 |
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就是根據他們12月23的一個光復鄉的說明會他們我們大概歸納一些民眾的意見就是說第一個土地安置的決策要程序要多久是要去哪裡申訴他條件是什麼所謂土地安置就是說我們的徵收啊一地一地一地復耕永久安置這些問題 |
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1377.568 |
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中基屋那麼已經有進駐了目前有41戶那麼原民的部分原民會已經在發在招標會在另外再興建這個中基屋至於徵收土地的部分呢農業部已經在當地辦過說明會大約有160幾公頃會由這個農業部來架構那麼這個架構 |
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之後上面的房屋也會補償至於有的民眾表示他希望以地異地要繼續耕種我們事後也會尋找相關台廠的農地開始用租的或以地異地讓希望繼續耕種的農民有耕種的地方 |
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我想知道一些農商署設備補助 租金跟金融支持合了幾件有沒有被推薦 推薦的原因是什麼單一窗口在哪裡 |
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相關的補助有經濟部有農業部農業部大概針對農損經濟部的部分是針對生產器具交通我們現在的汽車機車都有報費的補助所以都按照相關的法規來辦理 |
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1469.24 |
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所以有單一窗口都有 而且我們是到目前為止還有一個工作站在光屋火車站旁邊隨時會受理民眾的申請就針對原民會這邊原住民的程序保障的一個補正表就是說哪些項目涉及原住民族部落哪些工程有沒有根據原住民族基本法第21條來啟動諮商統一哪些已經有開始還是沒有開始由誰來負責 |
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1471.846 |
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當然會依這個相關法律啦那諮商的部分是涉及開發的時候那因為目前我們還沒有說要取得土地去開發啦所以還沒有這個諮商啦 |
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但是呢因為這個是災後的重建跟復原那麼如果按災防法的話那麼可以這個算是臨時的措施可以不適用相關法律包括區域計劃法環兵法甚至原民法這個都可以排除不過目前都我們並不是在進行開發行為只是災後復原重建所以目前呢原民的部落都有代表 |
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可以參加這個我們擴大匯報所以所有的聲音意見都會反映在中央的協調匯報主委呢除了這個特別在研擬會的部分就是有關修善這個住宅期間臨時安置的處所我們有十戶大概在信息之前就可以入住就可以往工還有在舊的東富國小那邊我們也在改善這個短期收容安置所 |
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也預計在4月30號就會完工那特別在延民會這裡我們也有編列4.6億的特別預算那我們主要的工作是在做家園的重建還有基礎設施還有那個產業的復原我們現在都在執行當中那我是希望可以讓災民看懂安置補助風險跟程序不然會有很多感覺會是一個黑箱作業 |
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好不好讓詹一鳴知道確實掌握資訊謝謝工程會主委請回 |
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最後就是競爬補償的問題那競爬補償的問題就是我們針對他因為他不是社會福利可是他列入動產這是一個雙重的懲罰我們認為說所有應該不要把這個這筆錢當作是當作是一個砍掉弱勢家庭社福資格的刀那我相信我們的本意不是這樣結果到最後來的韓式比如說像衛福部的一個韓式是列入動產 |
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那結果列入斷產的時候在社會救助資格審核的時候就會因為這樣就被排除在外我想知道主委的態度跟委員報告我想這個當然站在主人的立場我們不希望說這個進化補償變成是這樣子的一個會讓我們的主人喪失了中低收入戶的這個資格那在 |
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這個慶年底我們就邀請國務部、衛生福利部還有財政部等相關的部會就這個部分我們來進行研商那我們也把中低收入這些名單這個名冊我們也送給衛生福利部請他來勾結那後續評估政策檢討還有法規四次的依據都會依據這個我們一定會站在就是說不希望這樣的一個這個精華補償反而造成族人的困擾 |
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那當然有一個方法就是如果不多不是很多其實你入你的帳戶你趕快領出來 |
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都是這樣跟族人講的你不要一直放在裡面放在裡面錢也不會變多多少所以這也是跨部會的矛盾因為衛福部的一個函式就上面寫就是考量計劃補償非經常性收入非屬社會救助性質一列於家庭財產之動產那我是覺得你這樣子的話你再申請這些 |
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我們的社會救助的話就沒有辦法被列入這個我們會注意因為這個我們特別注意這個跟委員說明可以設定一個門檻我們當然希望省過全國的弱勢的經濟弱勢的朋友們的夥伴們國人們都能夠得到十足的照顧但是禁法補償它基本上它要有土地那土地已經列為個人家庭的不動產 |
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所以淨化補償因而產生的這些補償費用就視為是家庭財產的一部分那為了要全國的公平性而言那如果因為有這個土地這麼大的土地又拿到了相當的淨化補償那麼他已經不屬於社會經濟上的弱勢那政府就不需要重複的支援但如果同樣的情況之下他在領取淨化補償之後他仍然達到這個標準那當然無庸置疑 |
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但是我們這個一定要看個案來做處理那基本上要衡量全國這種公平性 恆平性的原則這個請委員能夠理解當然知道 只是說我是覺得應該設一個門檻會比較可以門檻都有的 是嗎都有 都有因為我看很多人來辦公室求救的就是說他們明明就是沒有領的很多結果就沒有辦法再申請我們的中間收入貨幣價值 |
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1764.944 |
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他如果還沒有達到那個標準當然無庸置疑他仍然是屬於經濟上的弱勢那如果他有比較大的土地也達到了比較多的補償那是不是政府就應該把這樣的力量去幫助那些更需要幫助的人 |
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那我今天帶的這個牌子叫做請不要繞過原住民原住民是最好客的常常希望你到家裡來坐坐可是看到國家常常面對我們的政策的時候就會繞過去的時候這種感覺會很心酸我相信主委能夠體會我所說的意思 |
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原住民在國內現在你看我們這次的Team Taiwan棒球隊裡面有16個原住民他是國家重要的資產在各個領域上面都有非常傑出的表現而且現在大家也願意跟大家以原住民朋友來作為更好的夥伴來相處這個是非常好的一個文化進步好 我們一起為原住民努力謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝盧縣議委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
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盧委員縣一 |
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院長，有請行政院院長、衛福部部長及原住民族委員會主委。 |
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主席 |
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麻煩請卓院長、衛福部部長及原住民族委員會主委備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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盧委員好。 |
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盧委員縣一 |
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院長好。 |
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盧委員縣一 |
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首先我要先表達謝意，大概3月初的時候我有去原住民族委員會，針對PRIDoC年底要在桃園市舉辦，我跟原住民行政局局長一起拜會原民會主委，希望能夠支持這個會議在年底舉行，就是泛太平洋地區醫師聯合大會，也希望衛福部可以支持。 |
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盧委員縣一 |
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隔了兩天以後，我跟外交部人員也跟原住民醫學會理事長進行了視訊會議，希望它的補助可以比照上一屆在澳洲舉行的金額，也希望石部長能夠支持這項會議。好的。 |
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盧委員縣一 |
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講到這個，有一個契機就是這次要辦國際原住民醫學大會在臺灣，可是看到我們現在治理原住民族健康的單位還是在所謂的科級層次，也就是在護理及健康照護司底下的規格，可以看到，要跨部會整合，比如說要拜會原民會、要拜會外交部、要拜會一些相關閣員的時候，如果只是一個科的層級，確實是沒有辦法來處理這樣的事情。 |
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盧委員縣一 |
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2026-03-17T14:32:23.553000+08:00 |
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就平均餘命的差距來看，現在是6.98歲，根據澳洲的研究是每10年大概會縮減一年，不過按照國人的努力，我相信這個進度會更快一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-17T14:32:25.145000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-17T14:32:39.540000+08:00 |
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當然，我們要處理的就是原鄉醫療、巡迴服務、健康促進、文化健康站等這些種種的問題，我相信我們的醫護人員真的是非常辛苦，我想請問部長，在這方面有沒有一個時間表可以給我？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-17T14:32:41.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-17T14:33:03.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
好，跟委員說明，確實如剛剛委員所提到的，過去原民跟我們的平均餘命在103年的時候大概是相差10歲左右，到113年的時候已經縮短到7歲，所以我們確實在過去這幾年有努力在縮短之間的差距。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-17T14:33:04.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-17T14:33:11.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
當然，在因應少子女化跟高齡化的社會…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-17T14:33:11.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-17T14:33:12.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
院長，我是想說…… |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-17T14:33:11.842000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-17T14:33:36.103000+08:00 |
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我們在做組改，在組織改造的過程當中，也會做內部任務的調整，原本我們的護理及健康照護司裡面也有專門負責山地離島科，未來我們會強化對原住民族健康部分的責任跟任務，所以請您放心，我們會來強化。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-17T14:33:38.322000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-17T14:34:10.121000+08:00 |
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常常有人說可能是因為原住民族已經被涵蓋在各項福利裡面，比如說兒少、長照這些，但我希望講清楚的是，就算這些都涵蓋了，可是我們的特殊需求還是沒被處理，才會有這些健康不平等現象的產生，所以還是希望有個時間表，希望在這個會期至少可以達到一個司的規格，希望在近幾個月看看部裡面能不能有一個期程是往署的方向來規劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-17T14:34:10.121000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-17T14:34:21.650000+08:00 |
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當然，裡面可能要解決的就是一些法源、組織及員額預算的整合，我們邊走邊看，我覺得應該可以朝這個制度來走，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-17T14:34:21.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-17T14:34:25.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
好，我們朝這個方向來提升它的專責程度。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-17T14:34:26.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-17T14:34:28.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
現在我們還有些研究單位在國衛院……有。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-17T14:34:28.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-17T14:34:37.741000+08:00 |
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可是國衛院今天沒有代表過來，我知道它今年的預算是2,500萬，我想知道這2,500萬是以後固定會有還是每年要去爭取呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-17T14:34:38.682000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-17T14:35:14.515000+08:00 |
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這個是基本的額度，就是我們會建立原住民族健康資料庫，它也會納入原住民族相關的專家或者是代表的一些計畫，就是原住民族健康議題的計畫申請，像今年我們就有核定六個相關計畫，除了資料庫的建立，這部分大概每年都會持續維護跟擴充；另外就是針對議題性跟學者專家來合作，以提升原住民族相關的研究跟轉譯。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-17T14:35:15.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-17T14:35:28.558000+08:00 |
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就我知道專門的研究人員現在只有一名，我想知道研究題目誰要決定，其判讀是如何解讀，然後政策是誰要拍板定案？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-17T14:35:29.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-17T14:35:32.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
那我想知道原住民族委員會的角色在哪裡？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-17T14:35:33.443000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-17T14:36:03.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
跟委員說明，我們在部裡面有設一個原住民族健康委員會，就這個原住民族健康委員會下面有設了四個組，其中有一組就是調查研究組，還有一個是中長程計畫組，現在我們正在擬定下一期的中長程計畫，所以也都會先經過原住民族健康委員會政策諮議會下面的小組先討論之後才會提出來，那研究的題目也是一樣，會在這個會裡面先去討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.866 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-17T14:36:04.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-17T14:36:22.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
那我們常常被人家詬病的就是，常常原住民族所檢查的項目，跟一般主流社會的漢民族是一樣的，可是明明我們的疾病型態跟基因型態本來就不同，所以原住民族的健康資料庫這個部分有沒有真正的納入決策，然後做適時的修正？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-17T14:36:22.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-17T14:36:32.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
或是說癌症的篩檢有沒有適時的導入，應該是更貼近原住民的需求，這個我希望部長跟原民會這邊能夠可以做一個連結。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-17T14:36:33.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-17T14:36:35.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
有、有、有，這個我們有連結。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-17T14:36:35.542000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-17T14:37:01.136000+08:00 |
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舉個例來講，我們在做幽門螺旋菌篩檢，我們就發現在原民部落的帶菌率比較高，所以我們一開始的前驅實驗就是在原鄉開始推動，那今年我們是擴大到各鄉鎮，就是我們當時一開始就發現有這個差異性，所以我們就會把它提為優先試辦或者是推動對象。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-17T14:37:02.488000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-17T14:37:18.574000+08:00 |
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不知道從什麼時候開始，尿酸檢查就不再列入我們全民健檢的項目，可是大家都知道，原住民族的尿酸值本來就比較高，可是沒有這項檢測以後，醫師還要特別再去找一個項目勾選，這樣會浪費時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-17T14:37:18.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-17T14:37:24.037000+08:00 |
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我是覺得，就原住民地區，應該就普遍要篩檢我們的尿酸值到底有多高。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-17T14:37:24.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-17T14:37:34.726000+08:00 |
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所以我剛才所說的，比如說資料、研究、政策、預算四散分離，所以我還是希望可以把我們的層級提高，這樣我們在做溝通的時候會比較容易，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-17T14:37:34.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-17T14:37:36.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
好，我們來努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-17T14:37:36.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-17T14:37:37.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
那衛福部部長請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-17T14:37:39.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-17T14:37:40.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
下面我們請農業部部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-17T14:37:40.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-17T14:37:41.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-17T14:37:40.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-17T14:37:40.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
麻煩請農業部部長備詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-17T14:37:40.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-17T14:38:00.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-17T14:38:00.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-17T14:38:23.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
針對臺美的對等貿易協定，我知道國家做了很多努力，可是就偏鄉來說，我想知道農業部的一些態度，就是說有沒有單獨盤點，比如說原鄉的農場蔬果、高山茶、咖啡、紅藜、小米、樹豆、部落加工等等，有沒有一個獨立的窗口在做這樣的事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-17T14:38:24.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-17T14:38:57.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我跟委員報告，原鄉本身的這些作物通常都是很具有特色的作物，對於這些作物，我想我們都一直持續地在輔導，我們成立了一個原住民的技術栽培輔導團隊，這個團隊本身針對不管是紅藜或是小米或是你剛才講的這些種種的地方特色作物，我們都希望種了以後，後面要有通路，所以我們一直在媒合這些原住民的特色產品，而且給它一些品牌特色，然後銷到後面的市場。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-17T14:38:58.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-17T14:39:09.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
就原民會這邊，我知道有原住民族農產運銷暨加值輔導計畫，還有所謂的原住民族經濟永續發展計畫，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-17T14:39:09.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-17T14:39:13.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我知道個人是補助20萬，如果團體的話是補助200萬，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-17T14:39:13.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-17T14:39:14.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
那是最高，對。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-17T14:39:15.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-17T14:39:23.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
我想知道針對這樣的國際局勢變遷，這些計畫裡面有沒有哪一條是可以處理我們這次的貿易衝擊，有沒有可以直接處理我們偏鄉的運輸補貼？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.847 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-17T14:39:23.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-17T14:39:23.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
運輸的補貼？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-17T14:39:29.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-17T14:39:40.044000+08:00 |
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我們這個計畫主要是在補助買一些機具，像合作社需要一些機具，可以買一些機具，而且是比較適合我們原鄉的一些機具，我們有這樣的補助。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-17T14:39:41.245000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-17T14:40:04.758000+08:00 |
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我知道，所以我說這些計畫裡面，我剛剛看了大概是有低碳示範、產業推升創新成長、包裝設計這些，我是說如果沒有做貿易衝擊防護，也就是沒有作物保護，也沒有偏鄉運輸補貼的話，我覺得這次的衝擊沒有真正落實到安全網這樣的概念。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-17T14:40:05.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-17T14:40:08.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我們可以考慮把這些部分加進去。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
盧委員縣一：所以我希望能夠做到兩件事情 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-17T14:40:10.027000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-17T14:40:23.635000+08:00 |
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就是修正原住民族經濟永續發展計畫與農產運輸暨加值輔導計畫的補助指標；第二個就是把貿易衝擊防護及偏鄉運輸補貼正式納入，這樣的話就可以跟農業部共同提出原鄉產業的衝擊評估。可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-17T14:40:23.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-17T14:40:24.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
OK，好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-17T14:40:24.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-17T14:40:35.180000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，原鄉的這些農產品在生產的品項當中，外銷的比例並不是頂高。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-17T14:40:35.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-17T14:40:45.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以我們認為衝擊不是頂大，但是農業部還是有整個相關的支持措施，會影響比較大的可能都是旅遊、文化這一類的民間消費。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-17T14:40:45.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-17T14:41:10.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
所以，對於交通部分，我們在原鄉也有幸福巴士這些現有措施，可以補助一些關於在旅遊上面或者是從業的司機及運輸業者在油價差額上面的補貼，這些都是有的，只是農業本身應該沒有那麼大的衝擊，但是旅遊、文化及其他相關的消費，我們還是會有一些補助的措施。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-17T14:41:11.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-17T14:41:18.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
對，因為我們相對比較小，也是弱勢，所以常常會講說，這樣的話有沒有資格去申請所謂的300億農安基金？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-17T14:41:20.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-17T14:41:22.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
是不是有獨立的審查標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-17T14:41:22.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-17T14:41:30.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
原鄉的傳統作業相關類別，有沒有數據可以證明有些名單上面真的可以對原住民及原鄉有利？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.59 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-17T14:41:32.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-17T14:41:39.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我跟委員報告，現在農安基金300億並沒有正式啟動，會等到整個臺美的關稅很確定了以後。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-17T14:41:39.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-17T14:41:52.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
但是在特別預算裡面有180億的基金，這個部分主要是針對外銷，您剛才講的原民部分如果有牽涉到外銷，就可以用這樣的方式來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-17T14:41:54.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-17T14:41:59.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
OK，好，謝謝，農業部部長請回，請交通部部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-17T14:41:59.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-17T14:41:59.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
請交通部部長備詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-17T14:41:59.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-17T14:42:13.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
部長好。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-17T14:42:13.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-17T14:42:38.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
現在偏鄉就是有幸福巴士、偏鄉巴士這些彈性的預約服務，涵蓋率已經到95%以上，雖然我們感覺像是進步很多，我還是想要知道，人要移動、農產品也要移動，冷凍鏈或者人到得了醫院等這些規劃，有沒有在你的近程計畫裡面？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-17T14:42:40.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-17T14:43:03.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
向委員報告，交通部負責的是民眾的移動，包含剛剛院長所說觀光客移動的部分，我們會有一些計畫，包含幸福巴士在內，偏鄉也確實很多的小朋友跟老人家透過幸福巴士獲得很好的公共運輸服務，這個部分我們的補貼都有，但是對於冷鏈的部分目前不在交通部的業務範圍裡面。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-17T14:43:04.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-17T14:43:10.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我有一個構想叫客貨共載，還有我們就醫的這些交通車。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-17T14:43:10.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-17T14:43:33.030000+08:00 |
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是，我們目前有在討論這個方向，因為有時候只有載人，上面還有一些空間，如果有需要載貨的話，目前也在我們檢討的範圍裡面，我們希望能夠朝客貨共載，讓整個車輛的運用效率可以更高，可以有更多車輛願意到偏鄉去，不管是載人或者是載貨，這方面的協助我們是會來做的。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-17T14:43:33.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-17T14:43:41.977000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
因為這方面是最困難也是最不符合經濟效益的，如果你又把它推回地方政府的話，我相信這會石沉大海。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-17T14:43:42.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-17T14:44:01.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
其實幸福巴士這個案子，地方政府是主管單位，但是補助的部分交通部會來補助，目前我們也希望地方政府可以朝向客貨共載的方向，如果民眾在搭車的過程當中能夠獲得安全保障，我們希望能夠朝向這個方向，我們也會積極跟地方政府溝通。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-17T14:44:02.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-17T14:44:11.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我就是希望原鄉、偏鄉有車可以坐、農產品可以走得出去、病人到得了醫院，然後物流成本不至於壓垮我們的本地產業，這樣可以嗎？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-17T14:44:11.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-17T14:44:13.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
謝謝，請回，有請環境部部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-17T14:44:13.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-17T14:44:13.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
麻煩請環境部部長備詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-17T14:44:13.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-17T14:44:34.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-17T14:44:34.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-17T14:44:45.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
最近去了環境部一趟，就是針對枋山的風電案，知道有重啟初審補正再審的問題，我想知道你目前的態度是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-17T14:44:47.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-17T14:44:55.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
報告委員，現在如果說這個風電，離岸風機、陸域風機離居民的住宅500公尺以內，那一定要環評。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-17T14:44:55.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-17T14:45:07.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我們現在的態度是，如果是跟民眾有關，當然一定會嚴格把關，所以目前來說的話，還在審核當中，所以我們現在基本上也會幫屏東的民眾等於是關注這個事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-17T14:45:08.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-17T14:45:22.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我先肯定環評委員這次有注意到是不是有部落的諮商同意、鳥類生態的調查是不是有一些落差，針對一些低頻噪音、一些眩影效應，對鄰近民眾跟學校的一些影響。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-17T14:45:23.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-17T14:45:32.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
當初我有去參加他們的一個說明，我們還是覺得部落同意的這個部分形式上是不是太過簡單？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-17T14:45:32.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-17T14:45:36.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
所以我一直希望原民會能不能訂定一個標準，你什麼時候要去介入？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-17T14:45:37.416000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-17T14:45:39.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
因為通常這種關係部落，誰來召集？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-17T14:45:40.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-17T14:45:41.681000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
程序要做到什麼程度？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-17T14:45:41.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-17T14:45:44.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
我覺得你要說服當地的民眾。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-17T14:45:45.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-17T14:45:55.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我們會裡面已經明確的要求這個開發單位應該要依原住民族基本法第二十一條的相關規定，必須要辦理諮商同意的程序。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-17T14:45:57+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-17T14:46:04.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
我們知道這個範圍應該就是指獅子鄉的楓林部落，跟它上面的那個……丹路。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-17T14:46:06.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-17T14:46:17.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
對，這兩個部落是關係部落，就必須要跟他們開部落會議，要取得……就是希望諮商同意，這個我們有明確的要求。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-17T14:46:19.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-17T14:46:58.835000+08:00 |
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枋山風電案是一個很重要的契機，因為它剛好是在漢原的一個生活領域裡面，它有獅子鄉、有枋山鄉，所以如果把這件事情處理好，或者說可以作為以後類似這樣案件的指標，如果真的以後確實有興建的話，你們到底是做了哪些努力，我覺得這個方面也要讓國人知道，如果就針對傳統領域這樣的重大開發，你要確實讓每一個在地生活的族人理解，這個國家要綠電、國家要怎麼樣的發展，可是對他們生活的影響層面要達到最低，這些前前後後要做的努力，我相信環境部可以做把關。 |
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0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
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2026-03-17T14:47:00.237000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T14:47:40.542000+08:00 |
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還有一個就是他們楓港溪種植西瓜60年的這個案件，現在屏東縣政府大概也做了一些初步的裁示，可是在相關的網頁上面沒有看到所謂的裁罰、查處結果以及改善清單，所以我希望行政院能夠責成屏東縣政府對楓港溪的查處有一些時程表或者是退場的機制；第二，如果確實他沒有辦法、遲遲未做改善的話，總不能讓那個地區的民眾一直在享受那樣子的蒼蠅跟惡臭嘛，能不能依照地方制度法第七十六條啟動後續監督或是代行的程序？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-17T14:47:41.102000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-17T14:47:49.445000+08:00 |
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第三個，在國有登記完成之後，國產署對占用的清償補償金、騰空返還，以及司法處理的時間表也要一併公開。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-17T14:47:51.625000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T14:48:10.732000+08:00 |
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我們會裡面跟屏東縣政府原民處一直有在處理這個事情，也很明確的告知公所，有一些部分該停就是停，所以這個事情我們會一直協助解決地方西瓜的部分。 |
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0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-03-17T14:48:11.353000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-17T14:48:24.722000+08:00 |
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當然有一些地也不是原住民保留地，那應該是國有財產局的土地，一樣的，縣政府也是會一併來處理，希望不要造成我們族人很大的困擾。 |
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0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-17T14:48:24.722000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T14:48:30.047000+08:00 |
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如果確實要出租的話，就部落傳統領域，應該還是要取得部落同意參與。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
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2026-03-17T14:48:30.047000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T14:48:59.946000+08:00 |
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最後，我還是希望原基法能夠長出制度的牙齒，因為我們一直在講原基法第二十一條，結果每次遇到這種開發案的時候，地方政府或者是主管單位就是三推、四推，一直在拖延，然後邊開會、邊補正，很像騙族人的把戲一直不斷的上演，我希望原民會能夠站在主管機關的角色，確實把這件事情做好。 |
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0.883 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:00.827000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T14:49:02.447000+08:00 |
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會，我們會跟縣政府全力來配合協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:02.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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2026-03-17T14:49:06.689000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝、謝謝我們環境部部長。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:06.689000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-17T14:49:08.450000+08:00 |
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第四個，請公共工程委員會主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:09.470000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-17T14:49:11.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
麻煩請公共工程委員會陳主委備詢。 |
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0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:28.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-17T14:49:29.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
主委好。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:29.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-17T14:49:30.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:29.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-17T14:49:54.869000+08:00 |
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這次馬太鞍的重建，中央編了300億的特別預算，我們之前有講到一個明利村的教訓，就是說其實明明地方政府都已經有在警示，希望能夠趕快處理潰堤的風險，不過它還是發生了，所以我希望工程會跟水利署能不能提出地方示警納入中央評估的一個具體SOP？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:55.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-17T14:49:58.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
也就是地方通報之後，中央多久會會勘？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:58.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-17T14:49:59.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
誰來判斷？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-17T14:49:59.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-17T14:49:59.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
何時補正？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-17T14:50:00.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-17T14:50:02.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
最後誰負責拍板？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-17T14:50:02.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-17T14:50:08.385000+08:00 |
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因為明利村的這個教訓已經很清楚，沒有把在地的知識放進去的專業可能就是盲目的專業。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-17T14:50:10.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-17T14:50:28.260000+08:00 |
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報告委員，明利村原來那裡有一段是沒有堤防，但是因為緊鄰一座小山，所以在鳳凰颱風的時候，水有溢過去，透過排水進入明利村，不過那部分現在堤防已經做好了，而且做得相當高。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-17T14:50:29.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-17T14:50:53.588000+08:00 |
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至於整個撤離示警的部分，相關機關包括農業部都委託幾個大學在模擬，當一些指標比方氣候、下雨量到達某種警示程度的時候，就要啟動撤離的動作，這個都有持續在進行中。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-17T14:50:54.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-17T14:50:59.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
對，我希望主委能夠把地方示警納入中央SOP，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-17T14:51:00.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-17T14:51:00.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
地方示警？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-17T14:51:01.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-17T14:51:03.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
地方示警以後，你要納入中央評估的時間表。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-17T14:51:06.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-03-17T14:51:18.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
有，相關學術單位都有在模擬要撤離的相關指標，不過，整個撤離的工作還是屬於地方政府要負責。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-17T14:51:20.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-17T14:51:44.943000+08:00 |
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我看了1月14日有一個工程技字第1150200024號函向立法院提出書面報告，就是行政院在公告災區範圍的時候，有把秀林鄉跟卓溪鄉納入災害認定的範圍，這是遲來的正義，不過納入災區以後，我想知道這兩鄉的實質重建資源在哪裡，是從現有的270億執行額度去勻支還是要動用到保留額度？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-17T14:51:47.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-17T14:52:00.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
270億裡面都已經有各部會提出的計畫，這裡涵蓋了光復鄉、鳳林鄉、萬榮鄉，都包括在內。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-17T14:52:00.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-03-17T14:52:02.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
所以我們秀林跟卓溪沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-03-17T14:52:03.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-03-17T14:52:11.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
秀林鄉跟……這是馬太鞍的特別預算，沒有包括秀林鄉。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-03-17T14:52:11.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-17T14:52:13.521000+08:00 |
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可是你們公告的災區範圍有包括…… |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-03-17T14:52:14.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-03-17T14:52:29.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
災區它有可能就是，比方鳳凰颱風或其他颱風公告為災區，由工程會來審災區受損的工程，這個是由中央統籌分配稅款來支應的，不是用特別預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-03-17T14:52:30.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-03-17T14:52:36.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
OK，因為這兩個鄉公所想知道他們自己可以動支多少、他們被納入是不是只是紙上作業？ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-03-17T14:52:37.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-03-17T14:52:51.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
這個他們應該透過災損、透過縣政府報到工程會，工程會會跟相關主管部會到現場去看到底需要多少錢，那麼就會由中央統籌分配稅款來核定。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-03-17T14:52:52.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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2026-03-17T14:53:02.541000+08:00 |
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好，就是根據12月23號光復鄉的說明會，我們大概歸納了一些民眾的意見，第一個，土地與安置的決策程序要多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-03-17T14:53:02.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-03-17T14:53:04.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
要去哪裡申訴？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-03-17T14:53:04.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-03-17T14:53:05.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
條件又是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-03-17T14:53:05.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-03-17T14:53:10.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
所謂土地與安置，就是徵收、以地易地、異地復耕、永久安置等這些問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-03-17T14:53:11.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-03-17T14:53:22.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
中繼屋已經有進駐了，目前有41戶，那麼原民的部分，原民會已經在招標，會另外再興建中繼屋。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-03-17T14:53:22.765000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-03-17T14:53:41.818000+08:00 |
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至於徵收土地的部分，農業部已經在當地辦過說明會，大約有一百六十幾公頃會由農業部來價購，那麼這個價購之後，上面的房屋也會補償。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-03-17T14:53:41.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-03-17T14:53:58.828000+08:00 |
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至於有的民眾表示，他希望以地易地，要繼續耕種，這個我們事後也會尋找台糖相關的農地，看是用租的或以地易地，讓希望繼續耕種的農民有耕種的地方。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-03-17T14:54:00.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-03-17T14:54:05.253000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
OK，那我想知道現在農傷損、設備補助、租金跟金融支持核了幾件？ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-03-17T14:54:05.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-03-17T14:54:06.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
有沒有被退件？ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-03-17T14:54:07.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-03-17T14:54:08.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
退件的原因是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-03-17T14:54:08.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-03-17T14:54:08.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
單一窗口在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-03-17T14:54:10.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-03-17T14:54:17.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
這個相關的補助有經濟部、農業部，農業部大概針對農損，經濟部是針對生財器具，在交通方面，我們現在汽車、機車都有報廢的補助，都按照相關的法規來辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-03-17T14:54:31.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-03-17T14:54:32.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
所以有單一窗口？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-03-17T14:54:33.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-03-17T14:54:42.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
都有，而且我們到目前為止還有一個工作站在光復火車站旁邊，隨時會受理民眾的申請。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-03-17T14:54:43.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-03-17T14:55:00.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
針對原民會，原住民的程序保障補正表，就是哪些項目涉及原住民族部落、哪些工程有沒有根據原住民族基本法第二十一條來啟動諮商同意、哪些已經有開始還是沒有開始，由誰來負責？ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-03-17T14:55:02.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-03-17T14:55:15.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
當然會依相關法律，而諮商的部分是涉及開發的時候，目前我們還沒有涉及要取得土地去開發，所以還沒有這個諮商。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-03-17T14:55:18.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-03-17T14:55:36.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
因為這是災後的重建跟復原，如果按災防法的話，這個算是臨時的措施，可以不適用相關法律，包括區域計畫法、環評法甚至原民法，這個都可以排除。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-03-17T14:55:36.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-03-17T14:55:54.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
不過我們並不是要進行開發行為，只是災後復原及重建，目前原民的部落都有代表可以參加我們的擴大會報，所以所有的聲音、意見都會反映在中央的協調會報。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-03-17T14:55:54.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-03-17T14:55:55.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
主委呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-03-17T14:55:56.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-03-17T14:56:08.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
除了這個，特別在原民會的部分，就是有關修繕住宅期間臨時安置的處所，我們有10戶，大概汛期之前就可以入住、完工。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-03-17T14:56:09.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-03-17T14:56:17.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
還有在舊的東富國小那邊，我們也在改善短期收容安置所，預計在4月30號就會完工。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-03-17T14:56:18.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-03-17T14:56:31.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
特別在原民會這裡也有編列4.6億特別預算，我們主要的工作是在做家園的重建、基礎設施還有產業的復原，現在都執行當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-03-17T14:56:32.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-03-17T14:56:41.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
我是希望可以讓災民看懂安置補助的風險跟程序，不然很多感覺會是一個黑箱作業，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-03-17T14:56:42.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-03-17T14:56:43.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
讓災民知道，確實掌握資訊。嗯。OK？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-03-17T14:56:43.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-03-17T14:56:44.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
好，謝謝，工程會主委請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-03-17T14:56:49.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-03-17T14:57:12.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
最後就是禁伐補償的問題，因為它不是社會福利，可是列入動產，這是一個雙重的懲罰，我們會認為，應該不要把這筆錢當作是一把砍掉弱勢家庭社福資格的刀，我相信我們的本意不是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-03-17T14:57:12.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-03-17T14:57:26.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
結果到最後來的函釋，比如衛福部的一個函釋是列入動產，列入動產時，在社會救助資格審核的時候會因為這樣就被排除在外。 |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-03-17T14:57:27.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-03-17T14:57:28.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
我想知道主委的態度。 |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-03-17T14:57:30.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-03-17T14:57:40.930000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我想這個當然站在族人的立場，我們不希望禁伐補償變成是這樣子，會讓我們族人喪失了中低收入戶的資格。 |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-03-17T14:57:41.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-03-17T14:58:10.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
在去年底我們就邀集法務部、衛生福利部還有財政部等相關部會，就這個部分進行研商，我們也把中低收入的這些名冊送給衛生福利部請他勾稽，後續評估、政策檢討還有法規釋示的依據，都會依據這個，我們一定會站在……就是不希望這樣的禁伐補償反而造成族人的困擾。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-03-17T14:58:12.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-03-17T14:58:21.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
當然有一個方法就是，如果不是很多，其實入你的帳戶你趕快領出來，我都是這樣跟族人講的。不是…… |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-03-17T14:58:23.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-03-17T14:58:25.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
你不要一直放在裡面，放在裡面錢也不會變多了多少。 |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-03-17T14:58:25.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-03-17T14:58:39.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
所以這也是跨部會的矛盾，因為衛福部的一個函釋上面寫，考量禁伐補償屬非經常性收入，非屬社會救助性質，宜列予家庭財產之動產。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-03-17T14:58:39.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-03-17T14:58:45.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
我是覺得這樣子的話，你在申請這些社會救助的話，就沒有辦法被列入。 |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-03-17T14:58:46.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-03-17T14:58:49.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
這個我們會注意，委員，因為這個我們特別注意就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-03-17T14:58:50.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-03-17T14:58:51.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
是不是可以設定一個門檻…… |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-03-17T14:58:51.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-03-17T14:59:10.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
這個跟委員說明，我們當然希望全國經濟弱勢的朋友們、夥伴們、國人們都能得到十足的照顧，但是禁伐補償基本上他要有土地，而土地已經列為個人家庭的不動產，所以禁伐補償因而產生的這些補償費用，就視為是家庭財產的一部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-03-17T14:59:11.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-03-17T14:59:25.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
為了全國的公平性而言，如果因為有這麼大的土地，又拿到了相當的禁伐補償，那麼他已經不屬於社會經濟上的弱勢，政府就不需要重複支援。 |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-03-17T14:59:25.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-03-17T14:59:40.198000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
如果同樣的情況之下，他在領取禁伐補償之後，仍然達到這個標準，那當然毋庸置疑，但是這個我們一定要看個案來做處理，基本上要衡量全國這種公平性、衡平性的原則，這個請委員能夠理解。 |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-03-17T14:59:40.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-03-17T14:59:44.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
對，我當然知道，只是我覺得應該要設一個門檻會比較可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-03-17T14:59:44.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-03-17T14:59:45.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
門檻都有了。是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-03-17T14:59:45.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-03-17T14:59:46.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
都有了。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-03-17T14:59:46.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-03-17T14:59:55.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
因為我看很多人來辦公室求救的就是說，他們明明沒有領得很多，結果就沒有辦法再申請中低收入戶這樣的資格。 |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0.83 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-03-17T14:59:55.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-03-17T15:00:07.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
他如果還沒有達到那個標準，當然無庸置疑，他仍然是屬於經濟上的弱勢，但如果他有比較大的土地，達到比較多補償的標準，政府是不是就應該把這樣的力量用來幫助那些更需要幫助的人？ |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-03-17T15:00:09.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-03-17T15:00:12.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
我今天帶的這個牌子上面寫著請「不要繞過原住民」。不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-03-17T15:00:13.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-03-17T15:00:25.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
原住民是最好客的，常常希望你到家裡來坐坐，可是我們常常看到國家在面對相關政策的時候就把我們繞過去，這種感覺會很心酸，我相信主委能夠體會我所說的意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-03-17T15:00:26.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-03-17T15:00:44.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
原住民在國內現在……你看我們這次的Team Taiwan棒球隊裡面有16個原住民，他們是國家重要的資產，在各個領域中都有非常傑出的表現，而且現在大家也願意以原住民朋友做為更好的夥伴來相處，這個是非常好的一個文化上的進步。 |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
盧委員縣一 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-03-17T15:00:45.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-03-17T15:00:46.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
好，我們一起努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-03-17T15:00:47.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-03-17T15:00:47.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-03-17T15:00:48.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-03-17T15:00:49.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
謝謝盧縣一委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、各相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-03-17T15:00:50.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-03-17T15:01:02.069286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
報告院會，在議場2樓旁聽的是來自臺北市中崙高中葉家馨老師帶領的所有同學，我們掌聲歡迎大家。 |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-03-17T15:01:02.369286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-03-17T15:01:05.512143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
接下來請柯志恩委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-03-17T15:01:05.812143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-03-17T15:01:08.097857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
劉建國委員請準備。 |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0 |