| IVOD_ID |
167534 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167534 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-17T09:34:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-17T09:50:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/db16565270cbdf6ae72bf208a67dabbfca161dbbeb97b176fea73350b9bc05d7339739331fca71b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林楚茵 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:34:50 - 09:50:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本院秉持國家安全優先、強力捍衛領土完整之原則，若美方發價書明文公布之拖式、標槍飛彈續購及M109A7自走砲等三項對美軍購案簽約期程屆至之前尚未完成相關預算之審議，茲授權行政院先行與美方簽署發價書（LOA），以保障國家戰略利益。行政院應於簽署後即刻向立法院提出完整相關武器交貨期程報告，回歸審議常軌，履行行政院於預算編列前後完整說明之義務，不得再以『國家安全』為名，規避民主審議與理性監督。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月13日）二、同意權之行使事項：本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。（3月13日）三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（3月17日）四、3月13日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席 主席有請卓永泰卓院長請卓院長備詢林委員好 |
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在這個詢答開始之前首先我要先在你面前也肯定昨天在內政委員會當中劉世芳部長在委員會當中的表現他完全就展現了行政團隊守法合法依法行政的表現 |
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李貞秀女士她的資格不是透過立法院的協商說她能當立委就當立委那如果是這樣的話台灣還需要選舉嗎台灣所有的立法委員通通只要藍白合一覺得OK就好 |
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韓國瑜院長想要用朝野協商的方式來放水但是我肯定行政團隊對於雙重國籍有質疑的人必須要在此之前排除他成為立法委員這樣一個部分所以我予以肯定但是我現在比較擔心的是上個星期五我們在這裡 |
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的中選會人士的投票當中發生了就是民進黨所提名的完全被在野黨封殺我非常擔心這個過程其實是一個幫李貞秀女士洗白的一個詐騙集團的行為為什麼我會這樣講呢 |
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我們看到的是其實我相信行政團隊包括之前張東海秘書長也曾經為了中選會的人士去進行拜會當時不論是國民黨又或者是民眾黨都肯定這一次的提名我是來自於媒體這個有畫面有真相我就剪輯了一下當時 |
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張端涵秘書長到黨其他在野黨黨團拜會的畫面來讓大家看一下也讓院長來回憶一下 |
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這一次中選會的委員被提名人在立法院彼此塗一圈我們希望這是一個朝野合作的開始幾位委員被提名人您可往下到立法院國民黨台上把我們親自打發歡迎大家 |
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中選會的提名人選是不是一個好的反應?國安新新聞人的提名比照中選會的模式你覺得會補位比較有機會? |
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我想這個結果跟這個結局完全是出乎意料之外的 |
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看到了藍白的真面目這是我手上整理的一疊資料包括剛剛院長你也看到了傅寬琦說這是朝野合作的開始羅志強予以肯定這是好的開始民眾黨的黃國昌前立委也說公事公辦理性負責態度來審查甚至於陳青龍都說要求NCC人士要比較中選會人士我就問院長這不就是一個詐騙集團前面先跟你講好話 |
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後面呢完全推翻過去自己的講法全面的封殺否決了民進黨的提案人媒體是用說這可能是朝野合作互信的崩壞但是我要點出來的問題這是未來當李貞秀李女士這種不具資格沒有能力連質詢都還要黨團助理在旁邊咬耳朵的傀儡 |
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就馬上透過中選會來洗白嗎所以中選會成為李征秀洗白組織嗎因為你看到的是民眾黨提名的通過國民黨的提名通過所以中選會成為白藍機關嗎 |
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未來我們在乎的包括有爭議的法案不再急投票公投綁大選這個白藍機關是不是也要一一來洗白所以院長你怎麼來看接下來他們是不是用一個詐騙的方式透過民主的方式不斷的傷害台灣的民主謝謝委員這件事是我現在心中極大極大的遺憾我必須在這裡跟委員跟所有的國人說明清楚 |
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去年九月我主動向韓院長表達中選會的提名是不是採用政黨推薦的方式韓院長當時也非常的允諾也允諾要協助但是在九月初我再次跟他提起第二次的時候韓院長跟我說國民黨正值黨主席的改選 |
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他們的討論希望改選之後再來討論這個事情我記得黨主席的改選應該是10月18號左右吧我跟韓院長說好這個事情提名我已經慢了我已經向國會表達歉意但現在到10月18號還會演我已認了有任何的責難我都認了我都不會講出這一段但10月18號以後我們希望能夠用政黨比例 |
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政黨推薦的方式來組成這個被推薦人的名單韓院長也說好所以我在10月28號行政院正式函文給三個黨團有中國國民黨、民主進步黨以及台灣民眾黨希望他們能夠依照所有的規定表格來推薦優秀事任的人選10月28號正式的函給三個黨團 |
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中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨在11月4號也分別回函個別推薦了不同的人選也回來了所以我們隨後就整理所有的人選包括跟民主進步黨黨團談所的人選就一併送出幾個人選上個禮拜二就在後面的小房間 |
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我特別再跟韓院長講一次這個名單是三個黨團推薦全部送出來的我希望能夠全部的通過讓中選會正常運作上個禮拜五表決之前當下我再度電話跟韓院長表達 |
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我聽到媒體的報導說國民黨只要通過幾位對行政院提出的幾個人選要不予同意我說這樣做下來我無法交代我會變成罪人可是事實變成如此把一個獨立機關變成只有中國國民黨推薦的跟台灣民進黨推薦的以及 |
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民主進步黨行政院提出的四個人選當中只挑一個他們能夠接受的讓其他三個全部落選彈劾誠信如何合作這種事情發生在國會殿堂裡面是對國會極大的侮辱 |
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但現在事實已成如此如果讓它形成加上原來的市會八位現在的委員們其中有一半是藍白推薦把獨立機關變成藍白機關而且違背當初所有的承諾 |
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NCC投票之後我也非常的生氣 但是沒有看奈何後來委員都跟我說 如果你知道中選會就不會 NCC都不過了結果中選會還是不過現在又在談 希望總統府監察委員也要這樣做還要上當嗎 還能上當嗎 還要繼續上當嗎 |
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好 所以院長其實本席也希望透過今天的質詢我們把整體的事件做一個還原但是確實接下來政治講求的是誠信如果說今天跟在野黨無法再做誠信的朝野合作的時候其實整個國家只是無法解決問題而所有面對的狀況只會民主崩壞 |
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所以包括現在他們可能透過可以開會的中選會包括我們擔憂的不再集投票又或者是公投綁大選等等這種影響到台灣民主制度的部分現在只能靠行政團隊要依法行政那麼這個部分確實會影響到台灣的民主政治我要表達兩點張東華秘書長帶著所有的被提名人到各黨團去拜訪的時候 |
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以及私下任何的電話的聯繫都對我們的提名名單表示極大的肯定到時候結果是如此這變成用一種話術來告訴我們提了中國國民黨跟台灣民眾黨要的人提出來之後只同意這些而且第二點我們在接受這些推薦名單的時候 |
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中國國民黨跟台灣民主黨推薦的人行政院沒有去問他們任何的政治立場沒有問他們任何的政治表態就因為是兩個黨人推薦我們就其中把他送出來結果在審查的時候我聽到的我看到的是用這幾個委員並不支持不在籍投票的理由就把他刷掉 |
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這還能讓中選會成為一個獨立的機關嗎這是政治凌駕獨立機關以前在這裡批評行政院的事情今天立法院藍白黨團全部照幹所以面對這樣的一個已經看似存在選舉公正性存疑的這樣的一個獨立機關本席就像我開場講的我擔憂的是中選會成為 |
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李貞秀女士的洗白機關更成為爭議法案的洗白機關那麼這就是一個白藍機關那麼對於整體的國家民主的發展會造成非常大的疑慮我點出來也希望接下來行政院我要再向韓院長 江副院長表達一次行政院會再送一次三個人的名單被落選的三個人我們會再送一次三個人的名單我希望中國國民黨 台灣民眾黨 |
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身為一個在國會殿堂有席次的政治團體不能言而無信人民在看歷史在看如果我再送出三個名單這三個名單就代表行政院補送三個名單我願意補足程序讓你們補足誠信好 |
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本席也非常期待喔這個最重要的是中選會還是要還給中選會公正獨立性人民對於選舉跟台灣的民主制度才會相信跟信任好接下來呢我要來看的是這個藍白在這一次的中選會當中讓我們看到了詐騙指數的詐數喔那麼無獨有偶的跟中國對於台灣的滲透的詐數一模一樣那就是用AI的假訊息現在不斷的在 |
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干擾台灣的選舉行為包括台灣跟日本當中現在都受到中國的輿論假訊息的影響其中中國會透過指導資訊公司或者是公關公司或者是水軍等等來針對我們現在的日常生活來進行影響那麼我們看到的是台灣國內的異常帳號 |
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年增1.7萬那麼我們的爭議訊息呢是年增15.5萬則所以整體來說我想國安局的這個報告非常明顯的點出的就是這個手法越來越精細尤其是透過AI製圖又或者是AI的造假我們來看下一張喔我全面的收羅了包括在外交方面有說我們 |
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氣台胞不顧在經濟方面有說會斷氣但是今天都已經是3月17號了完全沒有這回事在交通方面連高鐵都會有來騙長者來誘導高年級的高年資齡的族群那麼至於像生活的方面就會有聊天 |
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APP是來自於中國然後騙取你的個資我要強調的是中國的認知作戰已經是全方位的滲透撕裂台灣對於台灣族群之間的不信任對於行政單位的不信任那麼對於這樣的全面全方位滲透尤其是AI又加入請問行政團隊有什麼有具體的方式嗎當我們在面對打炸我們會有一個跨部會的作為 |
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而我們現在看到的這個中國的認知戰已經是跨部會的時候那麼我們行政團隊有什麼作為 |
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謝謝林委員的關心有關於來自於中國大陸排山倒海還有鋪天蓋地這種AI深微的短影片還有機器人製造的假帳號加上中共所操作的錄製APP可以說都來影響我們自由民主憲政的運作甚至剛剛委員說的從日常從借選 |
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大量的影響我們的認知那我們如何面對這些嚴重的認知作戰我們有四個重點第一個就是我們行政部門要通力合作包括像我們陸委會像我們速發部針對這個假訊息對我們影響我們最重要的就是要立刻的給他揭露 |
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這個揭露是當下最重要的當然這有一定的難度特別是溯源調查的時候需要各部會一起努力這第一個第二個許多的網路平台都是跨國企業像Google、Meta、Line這必須要透過國際合作來降低這個假訊息的氾濫那第三個當然我們提出了很多法律工具像我們國安法、社會法 |
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針對這個危害我們國家安全跟社會安定的這個假資訊特別是您剛提到這些樣態我們需要有好的法律工具那這些立法都已經送到立法院來我們希望朝野都能夠支持最後就是我們要進行整個社會的大量的試讀教育試讀網路安全 治安安全以及試讀中國大陸跟兩岸關係避免受到這些假訊息的影響 |
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台灣要建立自己的民主防衛機制讓社會更有韌性我們才能阻擋 |
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好 謝謝謝謝林委員 謝謝卓院長 |