| IVOD_ID |
167521 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167521 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T11:45:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T11:56:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e545302d1642c5f63eefeed34433a8e19a7ba446ded26d6bbfd7ce027fbc82e015ecab491915b16c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:45:43 - 11:56:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「借鏡近期美國與伊朗衝突，檢討我國防空反飛彈系統效能、低成本攔截手段及無人機反制能量」，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝 召委我們請副部長請副部長黃委員好副部長好上禮拜五立法院有通過可以授權你們去簽那個發駕書簽了嗎是什麼時候簽的在他們加班是在禮拜 |
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禮拜六的晚上好像特別加班就送到這個美國這個這個駐美軍協組就四分都簽了四分都簽了 |
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發價書的這個部分我們在上個禮拜五大院同意我們簽署之後我們就已經立即知會美方那AITT這邊在上個禮拜就已經啟動程序所以我們這個3月15號的這個效期已經沒有問題好那之前還有一個3月底的這個什麼要付款的那個 |
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這個部分要跟委員報告稍微說明一下程序就是我們通知美方進行發架書的作業程序之後會由美國在台協會台北辦事處這邊完成我們已經提供的發架書內容的最後審核遞交給美國國防安和局然後做確認確認完之後再交給美國在台協會的華府辦公室跟我們駐美代表處來進行簽署 |
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所以這個部分應該會所有的程序應該會在本週左右會完成好所以立法院能夠處理的現在對你們來說沒有困擾了是就世界下就是條例跟預算了是就剩下這個嘛對不對是確定了是好第二個今天這個報告裡頭有提到這個關於伊朗的這件事情請問這個副部長 |
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這個美伊在打的時候啊你們會事先能夠預判伊朗會用什麼回擊美國會用什麼打嗎 |
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這一個目前的整個美國跟伊朗的整個攻擊的方式就現在來看當然掀起都以比較這個威力強大精準的沒有說有沒有超乎你們意料目前來看是因為戰爭的發生當然我們不太能夠預期他在什麼時候會發生我都講武器啦 |
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現在武器的運用上面是如我們所預判沒有錯那這個是全世界都會知道的事全世界的軍方大概都判斷雙方會用什麼來交火對目前的戰爭形態大致上是這好那台灣如果跟這個就是中國啊中國要打台灣的時候你們也可以預判他大概用什麼打 |
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因為有些牽涉到機密,但是簡單跟委員說明就是說知道,因為他聯合火力打擊的階段基本上他會用導彈、巡弋飛彈以及他原火部隊來實施大規模的攻襲你們報告裡頭有提到你們要處理高中低三層防禦體系這三層防禦體系按照目前中華民國的 |
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這個武器的雙倍啊高中低分別缺什麼 |
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如同委員剛剛所指導的,我們首先要去注意中共近幾年在武力上的發展所以它不管是在導彈還有遠程火箭,在這幾年的數量上對周邊還有在演習上都形成極具的威脅 |
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那因此我們國軍在多年的這個艦軍備戰下當然在防空武器系統各項的主被動的措施都已經逐年在建置但是考量到中共的威脅不斷的驟增之下因此我們需要台灣之盾分別從低空高三個層次來去建立一個能夠高度感知分層防禦跟有效攔截的整體系統才能夠因應它不斷劇增的威脅 |
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那這三個分別缺什麼不好講是吧 |
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所以這當然在這個特別預算的審查裡面我們會去做說明簡單跟委員包括就是後續我們會因為這要區分硬體跟軟體兩個部分來做檢查意思就是說這個1.25兆的這個條例如果進行相關的審查包括後面預算的審查大概就可以看得出國軍現在對 |
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低中高這個防禦體系大概缺什麼對那也可以看得出這三層防禦體系之間的整合缺什麼對就是剛剛跟委員報告中間有包含到軟體戰場管理系統整合的部分因為你們現在都講得很籠統嘛 |
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也不能講得太清楚所以你們現在有把握這1.25兆建制完成之後我們到底動會不會動我們會朝這個方向努力現在來看這整個建制的目標我們努力來達成好那接下來講這個無人機就是說這個有沒有比較低成本的無人機阿強阿勇低成本無人機打我們的時候我們要怎麼反制 |
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我簡單跟委員報告,因為它這個低成本的無人機簡單說剛剛又跟前面的委員做完研討它運用的方式基本上它會在海上用這個船來放置的方式因為它的航程不是那麼的遠所以它可能用海上施放或者登陸之後所以剛剛那個我記得防人委員嘛你就打海上一隻船就好了 |
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目前我們在已經有做相關的規劃說我們在7月份成立了濱海作戰指揮部裡面有整合相關無人機跟反彈的能量能夠有效的對敵人的這個海上的這個船艦的攻擊上面做一個做一個這個裝備他對他發動大量的攻擊消耗我們啊我們叫防禦嘛對防禦我們也被消耗啊我們能夠被他消耗多久 |
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所以我們檢討這一個我們有區分兩塊一個部分是主動反制第二個是被動防禦那主動反制的部分辦到我們現在後續準備要建置的這個低成本的這個防洪武器或是我們現在建置的這個固定的以及被固定是機動型的一個反制的一個C型式的反制無人機的一個這都在1.2兆里頭 |
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這個都在E點都有照裡頭目前都有在建置在相關的這個細節裡面包含到無人載具跟反制系統裡面都有在第三項裡面做規劃還是會在本來的年度預算就有這些 |
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目前因為他必須要雙軌並行就是說我們現在的反制系統其實我們的軍事預算裡面已經有建制在固定支出但是他沒辦法因應那麼大規模的一個反制武器的一個建制所以特別需要特別預算來做支持OK好那在這報告裡頭啊有幾個用字啊這個請你們說明一下你說 |
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在現有飛彈的技術基礎上,研製及籌貨可執行遠程火箭彈攔截至低成本防空武器你們用的文字叫研製及籌貨,這看起來應該現在沒有現在已經有在,因為這個是 |
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包委員我們現在是有能力但是為了能夠達到低成本我們不要用這個不管是現行的防空系統去浪費我們的國防預算好OK那我懂那第二個你們也提到說你們要同步籌購及部署右標假木 |
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右標假目標衛星定位干擾等等等等等你們用的文字還是籌購跟部署代表這個現在沒有對不對 |
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現在已經有在做辦到我們的這個偽裝碗矯型的反射器還有我們現在電子衛星的干擾系統現在其實已經有在建置當中但是它的數量不足以因應我們要滿足那麼多的一個軍事設施以及政府的關鍵基礎設施所以我們必須要後續持續來籌建也藉由這個預算來支撐 |
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也都在這個特別條例裡頭是就是剛提到這些所謂的籌購及部署這個概念是說現在不夠對然後要增加是那增加包括用買的跟包括中科院自己去做的是所以需要這個特別條例然後需要這個1.25兆來把這一塊補足是也包含在這個裡面 |
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那我請問一下,如果沒有這一點的護照,像在美國跟伊朗這一場戰役裡頭,哪一件事情就會發生在台灣?現在媒體報導說這個伊朗美國的飛機飛彈飛進去,伊朗都站在那裡,不知道發生什麼事,就叫他們打,那台灣會不會這樣? |
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當然我們現在持續在精進我們的建軍備案工作固定的國防預算可以勉勵去維持我們現在的軍事能力但是我們要考量的就是說因應未來的戰爭確實有必要一次性的來提升國軍的戰力也能夠兼顧到政府跟 |
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645.708 |
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這個社會在關鍵基礎設施運作在戰爭當中能夠正常運作最重要的是我們也希望能夠保障台灣人民的生活財產的安全所以希望一次性的能夠提升這樣的一個戰力我想這個固定的國防預算跟我們現在的這個特別預算能夠雙軌並行能夠很迅速的提升我們國軍的戰力也同時藉由各種的 |
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646.368 |
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674.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
方式讓國軍的人才能夠水準能夠提升這種雙軌並行來提升我們國防的好 謝謝副部長也期待你們接下來趕快跟這個國民黨立委好好溝通把這個嚴重性 重要性不管公開溝通 私底下溝通都請這個國民黨跟民眾黨的立委多多協助讓我們這個特別條例跟後續相關的預算能夠儘早通過好 謝謝謝偉 |