| IVOD_ID |
167521 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167521 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T11:45:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T11:56:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e545302d1642c5f63eefeed34433a8e19a7ba446ded26d6bbfd7ce027fbc82e015ecab491915b16c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:45:43 - 11:56:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「借鏡近期美國與伊朗衝突，檢討我國防空反飛彈系統效能、低成本攔截手段及無人機反制能量」，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝 召委我們請副部長請副部長黃委員好副部長好上禮拜五立法院有通過可以授權你們去簽那個發駕書簽了嗎是什麼時候簽的在他們加班是在禮拜 |
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禮拜六的晚上好像特別加班就送到這個美國這個這個駐美軍協組就四分都簽了四分都簽了 |
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發價書的這個部分我們在上個禮拜五大院同意我們簽署之後我們就已經立即知會美方那AITT這邊在上個禮拜就已經啟動程序所以我們這個3月15號的這個效期已經沒有問題好那之前還有一個3月底的這個什麼要付款的那個 |
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這個部分要跟委員報告稍微說明一下程序就是我們通知美方進行發架書的作業程序之後會由美國在台協會台北辦事處這邊完成我們已經提供的發架書內容的最後審核遞交給美國國防安和局然後做確認確認完之後再交給美國在台協會的華府辦公室跟我們駐美代表處來進行簽署 |
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所以這個部分應該會所有的程序應該會在本週左右會完成好所以立法院能夠處理的現在對你們來說沒有困擾了是就世界下就是條例跟預算了是就剩下這個嘛對不對是確定了是好第二個今天這個報告裡頭有提到這個關於伊朗的這件事情請問這個副部長 |
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這個美伊在打的時候啊你們會事先能夠預判伊朗會用什麼回擊美國會用什麼打嗎 |
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這一個目前的整個美國跟伊朗的整個攻擊的方式就現在來看當然掀起都以比較這個威力強大精準的沒有說有沒有超乎你們意料目前來看是因為戰爭的發生當然我們不太能夠預期他在什麼時候會發生我都講武器啦 |
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現在武器的運用上面是如我們所預判沒有錯那這個是全世界都會知道的事全世界的軍方大概都判斷雙方會用什麼來交火對目前的戰爭形態大致上是這好那台灣如果跟這個就是中國啊中國要打台灣的時候你們也可以預判他大概用什麼打 |
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因為有些牽涉到機密,但是簡單跟委員說明就是說知道,因為他聯合火力打擊的階段基本上他會用導彈、巡弋飛彈以及他原火部隊來實施大規模的攻襲你們報告裡頭有提到你們要處理高中低三層防禦體系這三層防禦體系按照目前中華民國的 |
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這個武器的雙倍啊高中低分別缺什麼 |
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如同委員剛剛所指導的,我們首先要去注意中共近幾年在武力上的發展所以它不管是在導彈還有遠程火箭,在這幾年的數量上對周邊還有在演習上都形成極具的威脅 |
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那因此我們國軍在多年的這個艦軍備戰下當然在防空武器系統各項的主被動的措施都已經逐年在建置但是考量到中共的威脅不斷的驟增之下因此我們需要台灣之盾分別從低空高三個層次來去建立一個能夠高度感知分層防禦跟有效攔截的整體系統才能夠因應它不斷劇增的威脅 |
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那這三個分別缺什麼不好講是吧 |
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所以這當然在這個特別預算的審查裡面我們會去做說明簡單跟委員包括就是後續我們會因為這要區分硬體跟軟體兩個部分來做檢查意思就是說這個1.25兆的這個條例如果進行相關的審查包括後面預算的審查大概就可以看得出國軍現在對 |
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低中高這個防禦體系大概缺什麼對那也可以看得出這三層防禦體系之間的整合缺什麼對就是剛剛跟委員報告中間有包含到軟體戰場管理系統整合的部分因為你們現在都講得很籠統嘛 |
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也不能講得太清楚所以你們現在有把握這1.25兆建制完成之後我們到底動會不會動我們會朝這個方向努力現在來看這整個建制的目標我們努力來達成好那接下來講這個無人機就是說這個有沒有比較低成本的無人機阿強阿勇低成本無人機打我們的時候我們要怎麼反制 |
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我簡單跟委員報告,因為它這個低成本的無人機簡單說剛剛又跟前面的委員做完研討它運用的方式基本上它會在海上用這個船來放置的方式因為它的航程不是那麼的遠所以它可能用海上施放或者登陸之後所以剛剛那個我記得防人委員嘛你就打海上一隻船就好了 |
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目前我們在已經有做相關的規劃說我們在7月份成立了濱海作戰指揮部裡面有整合相關無人機跟反彈的能量能夠有效的對敵人的這個海上的這個船艦的攻擊上面做一個做一個這個裝備他對他發動大量的攻擊消耗我們啊我們叫防禦嘛對防禦我們也被消耗啊我們能夠被他消耗多久 |
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所以我們檢討這一個我們有區分兩塊一個部分是主動反制第二個是被動防禦那主動反制的部分辦到我們現在後續準備要建置的這個低成本的這個防洪武器或是我們現在建置的這個固定的以及被固定是機動型的一個反制的一個C型式的反制無人機的一個這都在1.2兆里頭 |
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這個都在E點都有照裡頭目前都有在建置在相關的這個細節裡面包含到無人載具跟反制系統裡面都有在第三項裡面做規劃還是會在本來的年度預算就有這些 |
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目前因為他必須要雙軌並行就是說我們現在的反制系統其實我們的軍事預算裡面已經有建制在固定支出但是他沒辦法因應那麼大規模的一個反制武器的一個建制所以特別需要特別預算來做支持OK好那在這報告裡頭啊有幾個用字啊這個請你們說明一下你說 |
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在現有飛彈的技術基礎上,研製及籌貨可執行遠程火箭彈攔截至低成本防空武器你們用的文字叫研製及籌貨,這看起來應該現在沒有現在已經有在,因為這個是 |
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包委員我們現在是有能力但是為了能夠達到低成本我們不要用這個不管是現行的防空系統去浪費我們的國防預算好OK那我懂那第二個你們也提到說你們要同步籌購及部署右標假木 |
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右標假目標衛星定位干擾等等等等等你們用的文字還是籌購跟部署代表這個現在沒有對不對 |
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現在已經有在做辦到我們的這個偽裝碗矯型的反射器還有我們現在電子衛星的干擾系統現在其實已經有在建置當中但是它的數量不足以因應我們要滿足那麼多的一個軍事設施以及政府的關鍵基礎設施所以我們必須要後續持續來籌建也藉由這個預算來支撐 |
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也都在這個特別條例裡頭是就是剛提到這些所謂的籌購及部署這個概念是說現在不夠對然後要增加是那增加包括用買的跟包括中科院自己去做的是所以需要這個特別條例然後需要這個1.25兆來把這一塊補足是也包含在這個裡面 |
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那我請問一下,如果沒有這一點的護照,像在美國跟伊朗這一場戰役裡頭,哪一件事情就會發生在台灣?現在媒體報導說這個伊朗美國的飛機飛彈飛進去,伊朗都站在那裡,不知道發生什麼事,就叫他們打,那台灣會不會這樣? |
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當然我們現在持續在精進我們的建軍備案工作固定的國防預算可以勉勵去維持我們現在的軍事能力但是我們要考量的就是說因應未來的戰爭確實有必要一次性的來提升國軍的戰力也能夠兼顧到政府跟 |
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這個社會在關鍵基礎設施運作在戰爭當中能夠正常運作最重要的是我們也希望能夠保障台灣人民的生活財產的安全所以希望一次性的能夠提升這樣的一個戰力我想這個固定的國防預算跟我們現在的這個特別預算能夠雙軌並行能夠很迅速的提升我們國軍的戰力也同時藉由各種的 |
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646.368 |
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674.47 |
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方式讓國軍的人才能夠水準能夠提升這種雙軌並行來提升我們國防的好 謝謝副部長也期待你們接下來趕快跟這個國民黨立委好好溝通把這個嚴重性 重要性不管公開溝通 私底下溝通都請這個國民黨跟民眾黨的立委多多協助讓我們這個特別條例跟後續相關的預算能夠儘早通過好 謝謝謝偉 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-03-16T11:45:45.085000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-03-16T11:45:45.606000+08:00 |
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謝謝召委，我們請副部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-03-16T11:45:45.606000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-03-16T11:45:45.646000+08:00 |
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請副部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-16T11:45:45.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-16T11:45:45.706000+08:00 |
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王委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-16T11:45:46.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-16T11:45:46.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
副部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-16T11:45:46.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-16T11:45:47.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
上禮拜五立法院有通過授權你們可以去簽發價書，簽了嗎？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-16T11:45:47.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-16T11:45:47.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
什麼時候簽？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-16T11:45:47.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-16T11:46:17.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
在禮拜六的晚上，他們特別加班，有送到美國駐美軍協組，由駐美軍協組…… |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.69 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-16T11:46:17.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-16T11:46:18.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
四份都簽了？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
黃司長文啓 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-16T11:46:23.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-16T11:46:42.147000+08:00 |
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報告委員，發價書這個部分，在上個禮拜五大院同意我們簽署之後，我們已經立即知會美方，AIT/T在上個禮拜就已經啟動程序了，所以我們3月15日的這個效期已經沒有問題了。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.89 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-16T11:46:42.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-16T11:46:47.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
好，之前還有一個3月底要付款的那個呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
黃司長文啓 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-16T11:46:50.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-16T11:47:24.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
報告委員，這個部分要跟委員稍微說明一下程序，就是我們通知美方進行發價書的作業程序之後，會由美國在台協會台北辦事處完成我們已經提供的發價書內容的最後審核，再遞交給美國國防安合局做確認，確認完之後，再交給美國在台協會的華府辦公室跟我們駐美代表處來進行簽署，所以這個部分的所有程序應該會在本週左右完成。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-16T11:47:24.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-16T11:47:30.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
好，所以立法院能夠處理的，現在對你們來說，沒有困擾了。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-16T11:47:31.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-16T11:47:35.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
接下來就是條例和預算。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-16T11:47:35.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-16T11:47:38.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
就剩下這個，對不對？是。確定？是。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-16T11:47:39.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-16T11:47:56.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
第二個，今天這個報告裡頭有提到關於伊朗的這件事情，請問副部長，美伊在打的時候，你們事先能夠預判伊朗會用什麼回擊，美國會用什麼打嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:00.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:08.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
美國和伊朗的整個攻擊方式，就現在來看，當然先期都會以威力比較強大、精準的導彈來使用…… |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.711 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:09.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:14.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
沒有，我是說有沒有超乎你們意料之外的？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:15.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:17.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
當然我們不太能夠預期戰爭在什麼時候會發生，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:17.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:18.551000+08:00 |
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沒有，我講武器啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:19.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:21.994000+08:00 |
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現在武器的運用上面是如我們所預判。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:22.514000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:22.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
沒有錯？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:23.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:30.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
這個是全世界都會知道的事，全世界的軍方大概都可以判斷雙方會用什麼來交火。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:30.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:32.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
對，目前的戰爭型態大致上是這樣。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:35.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:41.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
如果中國要打臺灣的時候，你們也可以預判他大概用什麼打？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:43.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:48.625000+08:00 |
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因為有些牽涉到機密，但是簡單跟委員說明，就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:48.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:49.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
沒有，我只是問你們知不知道而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-16T11:48:49.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-16T11:48:59.489000+08:00 |
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知道，因為他在聯合火力打擊的階段，基本上，會用導彈、巡弋飛彈以及遠火部隊來實施大規模攻擊。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-16T11:49:00.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-16T11:49:15.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
好，你們報告裡頭有提到，你們要處理高、中、低三層防禦體系，這三層防禦體系，按照目前中華民國的武器裝備，高、中、低分別缺什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
連次長志威 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-16T11:49:24.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-16T11:50:10.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
如同委員剛剛所指導的，我們首先要去注意中共近幾年在武力上的發展，這幾年他不管是在所謂的導彈，還有遠程火箭，在數量上，對周邊，還有在演習上，都形成急劇的威脅，當然我們國軍在多年的建軍備戰下，在防空武器系統各項的主被動措施都已經逐年在建置，但是考量到中共的威脅不斷的驟增之下，因此我們需要臺灣之盾，分別從低、中、高三個層次來去建立一個能夠高度感知、分層防禦及有效攔截的整體系統，才能夠因應他不斷劇增的威脅。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-16T11:50:13.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-16T11:50:17.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
這三個分別缺什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-16T11:50:17.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-16T11:50:17.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
不好講，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-16T11:50:19.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-16T11:50:24.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
對，當然在這個特別預算的審查裡面，我們會去做說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-16T11:50:25.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-16T11:50:31.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
簡單跟委員報告，因為這要區分硬體和軟體兩個部分來做檢討…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-16T11:50:31.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-16T11:50:49.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
好，意思就是1.25兆的這個條例如果進行相關審查，包括後面的預算審查，大概就可以看得出國軍現在對低、中、高這個防禦體系缺什麼。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-16T11:50:49.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-16T11:50:55.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
也可以看得出這三層防禦體系之間的整合缺什麼。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-16T11:50:55.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-16T11:51:00.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
對，就是剛剛跟委員報告的，中間有包含到軟體戰場管理系統整合的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-16T11:51:01.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-16T11:51:05.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
因為你們現在都講得很籠統，也不能講得太清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-16T11:51:06.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-16T11:51:13.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
所以你們現在有把握這個1.25兆建置完成之後，我們到底擋得住，還是擋不住？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.71 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾副部長樹明 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-16T11:51:14.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-16T11:51:21.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我們會朝這個方向努力，現在這整個建置的目標，我們努力來達成。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:51:22.564000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:51:30.851000+08:00 |
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接下來講無人機，就是有沒有比較低成本的無人機，「阿共」用低成本無人機打我們的時候，我們要怎麼反制？ |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:51:32.395000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:51:52.853000+08:00 |
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我簡單跟委員報告，剛剛也有跟前面的委員做完研討，基本上，因為他這個低成本無人機的運用方式是會在海上用船來放置，因為它的航程不是那麼遠，所以他可能用海上施放或者登陸之後…… |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:51:52.993000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:51:57.577000+08:00 |
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所以我記得剛剛黃仁委員就說，你就打海上那艘船就好了。 |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:51:58.547000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:17.102000+08:00 |
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目前我們已經有做相關的規劃，所以我們在7月要成立的濱海作戰指揮部裡面有整合相關無人機和反彈的能量，能夠有效的對敵人海上船艦的攻擊上面做裝備…… |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:17.802000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:21.585000+08:00 |
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好，他發動大量的攻擊消耗我們，對不對？ |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:22.166000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:24.147000+08:00 |
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我們就要防禦。對。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:24.147000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:27.450000+08:00 |
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我們防禦也會被消耗，我們能夠被他消耗多久？ |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:29.854000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:52.051000+08:00 |
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所以我們檢討這個有區分兩塊，一個部分是主動反制，第二個是被動防禦，主動反制的部分包含到我們後續準備要建置的低成本防空武器，或是我們現在建置的固定式以及非固定式機動型攜行式的反制無人機…… |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:53.172000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:58.151000+08:00 |
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這個都在1.25兆裡頭？ |
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0.875 |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:52:58.151000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:07.603000+08:00 |
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目前這都有建置在相關的細節裡面，包含到無人載具和反制系統裡面，都有在第三項裡面做規劃。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:07.603000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:10.025000+08:00 |
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還是本來的年度預算就有這些？ |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:12.083000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:27.170000+08:00 |
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它必須要雙軌並行，其實我們現在的反制系統在我們的軍事預算裡面已經有建置在固定支出，但是它沒辦法因應那麼大規模反制武器的建置，所以也特別需要特別預算來做支持。好。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:27.971000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:44.763000+08:00 |
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在這個報告裡頭有幾個用字請你們說明一下，你說在現有飛彈技術基礎上，研製及籌獲可執行遠程火箭彈攔截之低成本防空武器。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:45.584000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:47.785000+08:00 |
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你們用的文字叫「研製及籌獲」，這看起來好像現在沒有。 |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:49.366000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:49.467000+08:00 |
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因為這個是…… |
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連次長志威 |
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2026-03-16T11:53:56.425000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:07.356000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們現在是有能力，但是為了能夠達到低成本，我們不要用現行的防空系統去浪費我們的國防預算…… |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:07.476000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:08.377000+08:00 |
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好，我懂。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:09.318000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:19.450000+08:00 |
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第二個，你們也提到，你們要同步籌購及部署誘標、假目標、衛星定位干擾等等。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:20.412000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:26.282000+08:00 |
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你們用的文字還是「籌購及部署」，代表這個現在沒有，是不是？ |
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0.875 |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:28.909000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:52.911000+08:00 |
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現在已經有在做，包含到我們的偽裝網、角形反射器，還有我們現在電子衛星的干擾系統，現在其實已經有在建置當中，但是它的數量不足以因應我們要滿足那麼多的軍事設施，以及政府的關鍵基礎設施，所以我們必須要後續持續來籌建，也藉由這個預算來支撐。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:54.132000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:56.674000+08:00 |
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也都在這個特別條例裡頭？是。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:54:57.455000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:05.881000+08:00 |
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就是剛剛提到這些所謂的籌購及部署，這個概念是說現在不夠，然後要增加？是。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:06.461000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:17.669000+08:00 |
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增加包括用買的以及中科院自己去做的，所以需要這個特別條例，然後需要1.25兆來把這一塊補足？ |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:18.330000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:19.090000+08:00 |
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是，也包含在這個裡面。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:20.554000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:31.258000+08:00 |
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那我請問一下，如果沒有這1.25兆，像在美國跟伊朗這一場戰役裡，哪一件事情就會發生在臺灣？ |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:31.258000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:35.559000+08:00 |
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現在媒體報導說，美國的飛機、飛彈飛進去，伊朗都站在那裡不知道發生什麼事情就被打了，那臺灣會不會這樣？ |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:55:41.992000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:56:17.564000+08:00 |
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當然我們現在持續在精進我們的建軍備戰工作，固定的國防預算可以勉力去維持我們現在的軍事能力，但是我們要考量的是，因應未來的戰爭，確實有必要一次性的來提升國軍的戰力，也能夠兼顧到政府跟這個社會的關鍵基礎設施在戰爭當中能夠正常運作，最重要的是，我們也希望能夠保障臺灣人民生活、財產的安全，所以希望能夠一次性的提升這樣的戰力。 |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:56:18.064000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:56:34.752000+08:00 |
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我想固定的國防預算跟我們現在的這個特別預算能夠雙軌並行，能夠很迅速地提升我們國軍的戰力，也同時藉由各種方式讓國軍的人才、水準能夠提升，用這種雙軌並行的方式來提升我們國防的能力。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2026-03-16T11:56:34.972000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:56:57.470000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝副部長，也期待你們接下來趕快跟國民黨立委好好溝通，說明這個嚴重性、重要性，不管公開溝通、私底下溝通，都請國民黨跟民眾黨的立委多多協助，讓我們這個特別條例跟後續相關的預算能夠儘早通過，謝謝。 |
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鍾副部長樹明 |
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2026-03-16T11:56:57.970000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:56:59.112857+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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0.25 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-16T11:56:59.412857+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T11:57:03.127143+08:00 |
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接下來請徐巧芯委員上臺質詢。 |
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