| IVOD_ID |
167477 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167477 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T09:39:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T09:48:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:39:43 - 09:48:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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請洪義祥委員 洪義祥委員出燈板齁出燈板齁謝謝好 我們有請這個葉主委 葉主席謝謝瓜匯 葉主委委員長早 早 早 |
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我就開始了我是把這個業務報告都看完了還是一樣的問題那個簡報寫的比這個報告好所以請你們可能下次先把簡報的內容先附上來好 |
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我想在往下講之前我先大概說明一下我對國發會的定位其實應該是我們國家的發展的策略的規劃然後的話整個在我們的一個重大的一些的境界也就是說你要規劃我未來台灣五年十年會長什麼樣子 |
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那經過一連串的討論所以才會有這個戰略然後我才會有戰術然後我才會有對應的騎乘的milestone然後載到你的檢討可是呢在這樣子的一個文件裡面的報告我覺得我現在還是看不到這樣的東西這個可能高度再去把它修正一下 |
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我可不可以跟委員報告一下就是說其實目前行政院在推的那個13項關鍵的戰略產業的話其實跟日本目前的那個經濟安全的那個保障接下來要推的有大概17項戰略產業以及8項的一些制度上面的措施 |
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那就我們來講的話我們也去看了他們整個的那個經濟安全的規劃那所以我們院裡面的目前的這13項的關鍵產業其實是有分三個支柱一個是分國內的 國內部分的話會跟民生經濟有關係然後另外一方面是外面的 也就是外在環境的局勢的改變 |
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那另外一個就是還有還有一塊就是說我們如何因應內外的情勢變化那我們要開始去盤點我們的一些產業那目前為止我們現在盤出了大概13個產業那這13個產業的話大致上是以五納信賴產業為主再加上AI新時代建設裡面的矽光值量值已經那個我讓你慢慢去看再講下去講不完來 |
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所以我的定位上很簡單整個我是覺得這個東西來講的話國發會還是要做我們這個領航的一個舵手那個舵手的話其實就是要很清楚也就是說你是一個我們國家政府的高級的智庫那第一個問題來講的話就是你的報告的一頭一開始的時候就是引用主計處的7.71的一個經濟成長率 |
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可是你在2月3號的記者會是寫4.11目標4.56所以短短 |
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一個月就提升了這麼多所以這個是是數據的問題還是你們當時的預估是低的就是說現在是樂觀的對 就跟委員分享一下就是說剛出二月的時候的話其實就好像我剛剛講的那個全球的四大CSP的廠商對於資本支出這個部分來講的話我們那個時候 |
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推估是稍微保守一些那我們也去看主計總部反正你最後的數字就是以主計處的為準好不好對我幫你講了好來下一個你常常在講AI新十大哪十大第一個就是說我們有那個快一點就好我就幫你背完了 |
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我背完了你有背完有有有就是第一個就是智慧生活圈這個是國科會負責那另外就百工百業智慧應用這是經濟部負責還有那個軟體登峰這是數法部負責那這上面是正三角形上面那一塊中間那是關鍵的技術關鍵技術有所謂的矽光子以及量子還有那個機器人那矽光子這個部分是經濟部負責那量子跟那個機器人這個部分是國科會負責的 |
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過關了請把你們每天喊的再多我的問題是很單純的就是因為我也寫過太多這種東西的計畫那個國發會給我的感覺就是帶便當一起來撿到籃裡都是菜所以在這裡頭來講的話剛剛賴岳龍委員問的對不對或者是邱委員問的每個人都有各自關心的不管是在無人機不管是在南方的大溪谷好 那我關心的是 |
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這麼多裡頭的預算到底哪一些是用在軟體應用的發展台灣太偏向硬體的應用發展那我先 你現在不用回答我回去好好算一下然後我要看一下這個比例到底多少那你看看多久再交給我這樣子的一個預算的評估的報告因為我不需要把這所有的錢都拿去補這些硬體 |
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345.315 |
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那這個在重要的軟體的應用的發展你應該要提出來點出來這件事情是不夠因為像那個速發部靈異進步那個太少了那個我到禮拜三再來質詢他就好那你們這個新時代建設的話說實在的很多都是沿用過去的包裝所以我是覺得這一塊的地方當然也無可厚非反正就是不同的總統會有不同的口號但是 |
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我就是回去一樣請你再算一下到底哪些是新增的計畫就是我真的新編預算不是讓各部會代便當預算過來的那這樣子我才能看到出這裡頭這麼多錢的數字跟委員分享一下就是說AI新十大建設其實是只集在五大新來產業那我們從五大新來產業慢慢去拓展出來 |
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沒關係,因為我寫過太多了我寫過M台灣、I台灣、行動台灣、智慧台灣都一樣這有時候是我寫的,是不是智慧成鄉啊你亞系不知道是幾百年前的東西再來,時間不夠的關係 |
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398.856 |
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我現在要問你的就是說很多的問題這邊的話我大概簡報也會給你們將來去參考或者是我們會來看第一個就是AI建設這件事情很多都是空頭的 |
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就是說我隨便拿一個例子來講就是你的智慧化的這個政府這邊來講服務的話要列出好幾百項三十幾項三十九項你要推動多少其實你的這樣子的一個服務的東西其實對我沒有感覺民眾是沒有感的我們常常看到這些都是KPI都是數字數字三十九項三項到底這個東西是什麼其實我要看的是你的錯誤率是多少實際的使用率是多少到底這個有沒有解決我的問題所以這個是第一個建議 |
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那我為什麼要這樣講因為過去當然這個現在已經不歸你了啦這個可能跑到速發部去了所以你可能鬆了一口氣以前這個審計部的時候或是我們立法院預算中心這個東西官方承諾的服務對不對這是左邊你現在的承諾但是現在是速發部在管它有沒有節省行政成本那這個東西來講其實我們的訂閱項目服務的滿意度其實很慘的 |
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尤其在買Data啦以前的ePlus所以如果我們國安會做一個監督管考單位要把那個民眾的KPI再去稍微把它定一下 |
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那再來地方創生我是支持我還去參加你的這個對不對地方創生日但是我的問題是這樣子因為我是1.0嘛你到這邊是3.0的地方創生我希望的是這個東西呢不要是補助完就不見了因為我們學界有很多的批判說這個是盆栽市的創新然後你跟地方政府的這個地方有很多是擱淺的29%那我覺得這個地方 |
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503.231 |
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看看將來就是把這個KPI都改成是營運型態的KPI然後那個退場的機制啊把它給弄好 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
504.122 |
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531.378 |
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那最後我挑一個啦比較關鍵的我關心的是國發基金的這一個踩雷的這一個問題那因為這個地方來講過去在盧新東背跟聯合再生的這些的案子裡面那我覺得這裡頭牽扯到監督審核跟政治的決策所以呢基本上我希望把這些的東西把它列入我們的一個具體的一個要求也就是你國發基金的一些管理辦法列到產創變成法治化 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
531.818 |
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那你的創新創業活動少做一點這個他要去做資金的規劃然後AI新時代建設剛剛那些預算軟體的比例跟風險那這個再希望你再去幫我們做處理好不好OK 謝謝私下跟委員溝通好 謝謝洪議長 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:39:56.399000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:39:57.340000+08:00 |
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有請葉主委，謝謝主席。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-16T09:39:57.480000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:39:57.600000+08:00 |
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請國發會葉主委。 |
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0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-03-16T09:39:57.680000+08:00 |
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委員早。早。 |
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1 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-16T09:40:07.619000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:40:23.645000+08:00 |
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我把業務報告都看完了，還是一樣的問題，簡報寫得比報告好，所以請你們下次先把簡報的內容附上來。 |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:40:26.801000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:41:10.615000+08:00 |
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我在往下講之前，先大概說明一下我對國發會的定位，應該是我們國家發展策略的規劃，然後是重大的經建，也就是說你要規劃未來臺灣五年、十年會長什麼樣子，經過一連串的討論，你才會有這個戰略，然後才會有戰術，然後才會有對應的期程，milestone，然後再到檢討，可是在報告裡面，我覺得現在還是看不到這樣的東西，可能高度要再去修正一下。 |
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0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-16T09:41:11.436000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:42:12.998000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告一下，其實目前行政院在推的那13項關鍵戰略產業，跟日本目前的經濟安全保障接下來要推的大概有17項戰略產業及8項的制度上的措施，我們也去看了他們整個的經濟安全規劃，所以院裡面目前的這13項關鍵產業有分三個制度，一個是國內的部分，會跟民生經濟有關係，然後另外一方面是外面的，也就是說外在環境、局勢的改變，另外一個就是我們如何因應內外的情勢變化，我們要開始去盤點我們的產業，到目前為止，我們盤出了13個產業，這13產業大致上是以五大信賴產業為主，再加上AI新十大建設裡面的矽光子、量子及…… |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:42:13.739000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:42:15.939000+08:00 |
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沒關係，我讓你慢慢去看，這個再講下去也講不完。 |
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0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-16T09:42:18.360000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:01.244000+08:00 |
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所以我的定位很簡單，我是覺得國發會還是要做我們領航的舵手，那個舵手要很清楚，也就是說你是政府的高級智庫，第一、你的報告一開始就引用了主計總處的7.71%的經濟成長率，可是你在2月3號的記者會是寫4.41%，目標4.56%，短短一個月就提升了這麼多，請問這是數據的問題，還是你們當時的預估是低的，還是現在是樂觀的？ |
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0.94 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:03.505000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:20.632000+08:00 |
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葉主任委員俊顯，跟委員分享一下，當初2月的時候就像我剛剛講的，全球四大CSP廠商的資本支出，我們那個時候的推估是稍微保守了一些，那我們也去看主計總處…… |
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0.809 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:20.792000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:26.754000+08:00 |
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沒關係，反正你最後的數字就是以主計總處的為準，好不好？對。 |
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0.84 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:26.754000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:27.274000+08:00 |
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我幫你講了。 |
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1 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:28.835000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:32.076000+08:00 |
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下一個，你常在講AI新十大，請問是哪十大？ |
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0.833 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:33.036000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:36.297000+08:00 |
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第一個就是我們有那個…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:36.297000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:36.877000+08:00 |
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不用，不用，快一點就好。 |
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0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:37.377000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:39.098000+08:00 |
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我都幫你背完了。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:39.926000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:40.366000+08:00 |
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我背完了。 |
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1 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:40.886000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:41.326000+08:00 |
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你有背完？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:41.746000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:43:41.926000+08:00 |
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有，有，有。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:09.132000+08:00 |
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第一個就是智慧生活圈，這個是國科會負責，另外就是百工百業智慧應用，這是經濟部負責，還有軟體登峰，這個是數發部負責，正三角形上面還有一塊，中間那是關鍵技術，關鍵技術有所謂的矽光子、量子還有機器人，矽光子部分是經濟部負責，量子跟機器人是國科會負責。 |
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0.955 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:10.312000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:10.312000+08:00 |
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好，過關了。 |
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0.75 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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1 |
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這下面還有…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:11.453000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:12.513000+08:00 |
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起碼你們每天喊的很多。 |
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0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:13.073000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:35.263000+08:00 |
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我的問題是很單純的，因為我也寫過太多這種東西的計畫，國發會給我的感覺就是帶便當一起來，撿到籃裡都是菜，不論剛剛賴瑞隆委員問的或者是邱議瑩委員問的，每個人都有各自關心的項目，不管是無人機或南方大矽谷。 |
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0.891 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:35.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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2026-03-16T09:44:43.006000+08:00 |
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好，那我關心的是這麼多的預算到底哪一些是用在軟體應用的發展？ |
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1 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:43.566000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-16T09:44:57.131000+08:00 |
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臺灣太偏向硬體的應用發展，你現在不用回答我，回去好好算一下，然後我要看一下這個比例到底是多少，那你看看多久再交給我這樣一個預算的評估報告。好。 |
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0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:44:57.931000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:08.024000+08:00 |
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因為我不希望把所有的錢都拿去補硬體，在重要的軟體應用的發展，你應該要提出來、點出來這件事情是不夠。 |
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0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:08.024000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:09.725000+08:00 |
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因為像數發部林宜敬部長…… |
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0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:10.786000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:14.968000+08:00 |
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那個太少了，我到禮拜三再來質詢他就好。 |
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1 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:16.269000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:41.579000+08:00 |
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那你們這個新十大建設，說實在的很多都是沿用過去的包裝，當然也無可厚非，反正就是不同的總統會有不同的口號，但是我就是一樣請你回去再算一下，到底哪些是新增的計畫，就是真的新編預算，不是讓各部會帶便當預算過來的，這樣我才能看出這裡頭這麼多錢的數字。 |
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0.955 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:43.660000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:52.243000+08:00 |
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跟委員分享一下，就是AI新十大建設其實是植基在五大信賴產業，那我們從五大信賴產業慢慢去拓展出來…… |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:52.403000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:57.809000+08:00 |
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沒關係，因為我寫過太多了，我寫過M台灣、iTaiwan、行動Taiwan、智慧台灣，都一樣！ |
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0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:45:57.809000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:46:04.217000+08:00 |
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有時候是我寫的，什麼智慧城鄉，亞矽不知道幾百年前的東西。 |
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0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:46:04.837000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:46:52.136000+08:00 |
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好，因為時間不夠的關係，我現在要問你的很多問題，我大概簡報也會給你們將來去參考或者是我們會後再看，第一個就是AI建設這件事情，很多都是空頭的，我隨便拿一個例子來講，以你的智慧化政府來講，服務要列出好幾百項、39項，每年要推動多少，其實，這樣一個服務的東西，其實民眾是沒有感的，我們常看到這些都是KPI、都是數字，39項、3項到底這個東西是什麼，其實我要看的是你的錯誤率是多少、實際的使用率是多少和到底這個有沒有解決我的問題，這是第一個建議。 |
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0.954 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:46:53.696000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:47:12.329000+08:00 |
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我為什麼要這樣講，因為過去……，當然這個現在已經不歸你了啦，可能跑到數發部去了，所以你可能鬆了一口氣，以前在審計部或我們立法院預算中心，這個東西是官方承諾的服務，左邊是你現在的承諾，但是現在是數發部在管，它有沒有節省行政成本？ |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:47:13.670000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:47:29.050000+08:00 |
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以這個東西來講，我們的訂閱項目、服務的滿意度其實很慘的，尤其在MyData和以前的e管家Plus，所以如果國發會作為監督管考單位，要把民眾的KPI再去稍微定一下。 |
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0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:47:30.936000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:06.211000+08:00 |
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再來，地方創生我是支持的，我還去參加你的地方創生日，我的問題是這樣子，因為我是1.0，到現在是3.0的地方創生，我希望的是這一個東西不要是補助完就不見了，因為我們學界有很多的批判，說這是盆栽式的創新，然後你跟地方政府的合作有很多是擱淺的，29%，我覺得將來就是把這個KPI都改成是營運型態的KPI，然後把退場機制弄好。 |
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0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:07.302000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:46.515000+08:00 |
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最後我挑一個比較關鍵的、我關心的是國發基金踩雷的問題，因為過去如興、東貝跟聯合再生這些案子，我覺得牽扯到監督、審核跟政治決策，所以基本上我希望把這些的東西列入具體要求，也就是把國發基金的一些管理辦法列入產創，變成法制化，你的創新創業活動少做一點，好好去做資金的規劃，然後AI新十大建設那些預算軟體的比例跟風險，希望你再去幫我們做處理，好不好？好。 |
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0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:47.016000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:48.157000+08:00 |
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OK，謝謝。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:48.157000+08:00 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:48.938000+08:00 |
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我們再私下跟委員溝通。 |
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0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:49.438000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:53.152286+08:00 |
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謝謝洪毓祥委員，請主委先回座。 |
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0.231 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-16T09:48:53.452286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-16T09:49:01.452286+08:00 |
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下一位質詢請鍾佳濱委員，鍾佳濱委員也是在本委會初登場，時間6+2。 |
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0 |