| IVOD_ID |
167477 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167477 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T09:39:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T09:48:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e545302d1642c5f63472314570f65a0a0bc6757ec415edbe52953553f5c94752ac88c721d118b9685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:39:43 - 09:48:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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請洪義祥委員 洪義祥委員出燈板齁出燈板齁謝謝好 我們有請這個葉主委 葉主席謝謝瓜匯 葉主委委員長早 早 早 |
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我就開始了我是把這個業務報告都看完了還是一樣的問題那個簡報寫的比這個報告好所以請你們可能下次先把簡報的內容先附上來好 |
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我想在往下講之前我先大概說明一下我對國發會的定位其實應該是我們國家的發展的策略的規劃然後的話整個在我們的一個重大的一些的境界也就是說你要規劃我未來台灣五年十年會長什麼樣子 |
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那經過一連串的討論所以才會有這個戰略然後我才會有戰術然後我才會有對應的騎乘的milestone然後載到你的檢討可是呢在這樣子的一個文件裡面的報告我覺得我現在還是看不到這樣的東西這個可能高度再去把它修正一下 |
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我可不可以跟委員報告一下就是說其實目前行政院在推的那個13項關鍵的戰略產業的話其實跟日本目前的那個經濟安全的那個保障接下來要推的有大概17項戰略產業以及8項的一些制度上面的措施 |
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那就我們來講的話我們也去看了他們整個的那個經濟安全的規劃那所以我們院裡面的目前的這13項的關鍵產業其實是有分三個支柱一個是分國內的 國內部分的話會跟民生經濟有關係然後另外一方面是外面的 也就是外在環境的局勢的改變 |
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那另外一個就是還有還有一塊就是說我們如何因應內外的情勢變化那我們要開始去盤點我們的一些產業那目前為止我們現在盤出了大概13個產業那這13個產業的話大致上是以五納信賴產業為主再加上AI新時代建設裡面的矽光值量值已經那個我讓你慢慢去看再講下去講不完來 |
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所以我的定位上很簡單整個我是覺得這個東西來講的話國發會還是要做我們這個領航的一個舵手那個舵手的話其實就是要很清楚也就是說你是一個我們國家政府的高級的智庫那第一個問題來講的話就是你的報告的一頭一開始的時候就是引用主計處的7.71的一個經濟成長率 |
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可是你在2月3號的記者會是寫4.11目標4.56所以短短 |
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一個月就提升了這麼多所以這個是是數據的問題還是你們當時的預估是低的就是說現在是樂觀的對 就跟委員分享一下就是說剛出二月的時候的話其實就好像我剛剛講的那個全球的四大CSP的廠商對於資本支出這個部分來講的話我們那個時候 |
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推估是稍微保守一些那我們也去看主計總部反正你最後的數字就是以主計處的為準好不好對我幫你講了好來下一個你常常在講AI新十大哪十大第一個就是說我們有那個快一點就好我就幫你背完了 |
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我背完了你有背完有有有就是第一個就是智慧生活圈這個是國科會負責那另外就百工百業智慧應用這是經濟部負責還有那個軟體登峰這是數法部負責那這上面是正三角形上面那一塊中間那是關鍵的技術關鍵技術有所謂的矽光子以及量子還有那個機器人那矽光子這個部分是經濟部負責那量子跟那個機器人這個部分是國科會負責的 |
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過關了請把你們每天喊的再多我的問題是很單純的就是因為我也寫過太多這種東西的計畫那個國發會給我的感覺就是帶便當一起來撿到籃裡都是菜所以在這裡頭來講的話剛剛賴岳龍委員問的對不對或者是邱委員問的每個人都有各自關心的不管是在無人機不管是在南方的大溪谷好 那我關心的是 |
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這麼多裡頭的預算到底哪一些是用在軟體應用的發展台灣太偏向硬體的應用發展那我先 你現在不用回答我回去好好算一下然後我要看一下這個比例到底多少那你看看多久再交給我這樣子的一個預算的評估的報告因為我不需要把這所有的錢都拿去補這些硬體 |
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那這個在重要的軟體的應用的發展你應該要提出來點出來這件事情是不夠因為像那個速發部靈異進步那個太少了那個我到禮拜三再來質詢他就好那你們這個新時代建設的話說實在的很多都是沿用過去的包裝所以我是覺得這一塊的地方當然也無可厚非反正就是不同的總統會有不同的口號但是 |
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我就是回去一樣請你再算一下到底哪些是新增的計畫就是我真的新編預算不是讓各部會代便當預算過來的那這樣子我才能看到出這裡頭這麼多錢的數字跟委員分享一下就是說AI新十大建設其實是只集在五大新來產業那我們從五大新來產業慢慢去拓展出來 |
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沒關係,因為我寫過太多了我寫過M台灣、I台灣、行動台灣、智慧台灣都一樣這有時候是我寫的,是不是智慧成鄉啊你亞系不知道是幾百年前的東西再來,時間不夠的關係 |
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我現在要問你的就是說很多的問題這邊的話我大概簡報也會給你們將來去參考或者是我們會來看第一個就是AI建設這件事情很多都是空頭的 |
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就是說我隨便拿一個例子來講就是你的智慧化的這個政府這邊來講服務的話要列出好幾百項三十幾項三十九項你要推動多少其實你的這樣子的一個服務的東西其實對我沒有感覺民眾是沒有感的我們常常看到這些都是KPI都是數字數字三十九項三項到底這個東西是什麼其實我要看的是你的錯誤率是多少實際的使用率是多少到底這個有沒有解決我的問題所以這個是第一個建議 |
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那我為什麼要這樣講因為過去當然這個現在已經不歸你了啦這個可能跑到速發部去了所以你可能鬆了一口氣以前這個審計部的時候或是我們立法院預算中心這個東西官方承諾的服務對不對這是左邊你現在的承諾但是現在是速發部在管它有沒有節省行政成本那這個東西來講其實我們的訂閱項目服務的滿意度其實很慘的 |
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尤其在買Data啦以前的ePlus所以如果我們國安會做一個監督管考單位要把那個民眾的KPI再去稍微把它定一下 |
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那再來地方創生我是支持我還去參加你的這個對不對地方創生日但是我的問題是這樣子因為我是1.0嘛你到這邊是3.0的地方創生我希望的是這個東西呢不要是補助完就不見了因為我們學界有很多的批判說這個是盆栽市的創新然後你跟地方政府的這個地方有很多是擱淺的29%那我覺得這個地方 |
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看看將來就是把這個KPI都改成是營運型態的KPI然後那個退場的機制啊把它給弄好 |
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那最後我挑一個啦比較關鍵的我關心的是國發基金的這一個踩雷的這一個問題那因為這個地方來講過去在盧新東背跟聯合再生的這些的案子裡面那我覺得這裡頭牽扯到監督審核跟政治的決策所以呢基本上我希望把這些的東西把它列入我們的一個具體的一個要求也就是你國發基金的一些管理辦法列到產創變成法治化 |
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那你的創新創業活動少做一點這個他要去做資金的規劃然後AI新時代建設剛剛那些預算軟體的比例跟風險那這個再希望你再去幫我們做處理好不好OK 謝謝私下跟委員溝通好 謝謝洪議長 |