| IVOD_ID |
167472 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167472 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T09:28:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T09:42:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e545302d1642c5f6d5f99ca9359480339a7ba446ded26d6b52953553f5c94752071eed9bfd46deff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:28:36 - 09:42:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「借鏡近期美國與伊朗衝突，檢討我國防空反飛彈系統效能、低成本攔截手段及無人機反制能量」，並備質詢。） |
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有請中副部長請副部長陳委員好副部長早這個禮拜五下班前呢才收到我們國防部今天報告的文件 |
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所以因为非常重视所以我礼拜六就在办公室把整个的文件呢逐字消化在反思当初炉裂这些文件叙述的背景 |
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那麼我們今天把它全部用邏輯方塊圖顯示我這邊對有些地方是要強調有些地方沒有涵蓋的我們要強化那麼有些有努力在做的但是可能理想很高時間上配合不上那至於談到預算的問題等一下我再跟您請益我們先看一下這個我們先檢討國軍防空的能量 |
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準備的方向防衛的目標防衛的方法防衛的手段最重要的是要檢討反思就逆向思考我們精準的防衛是指盾精準的句子是矛但是現在我們跟矛跟盾之間是把它混在一起了比方講防衛目標雷達站衛星站指管中心關鍵所儲存庫地下化加固型機動式 |
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那麼拒止目標呢要防對方的遠海火箭平潭島的無人機部隊消耗站另外就是我們要做電站的圍籬能夠干擾北斗無人機的風群反制攻擊載具最後我們講到的韌性不是光復國防部是包括社會的韌性我們看看這次 |
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伊朗啊就是他雖然防空的能力被摧毀了他反制他打的以色列是什麼打的美國是什麼在這個中央指揮部的指揮中心第五艦隊的通訊站那麼同時把以色列的幾個重要部門電廠啦進水廠啦這些東西都做了一個破壞所以我們反制的能力啊我這邊特別提出啊就是幾個建議是紅字啊那如何 |
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爭取教家的決策與智囊的行動這裡面的結構流程我們會後把一些工程的東西流程提供您這邊做參考 |
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那么建制反制能量啊自治优先军商购为辅当然自动化很多主导的系统通讯遥控国外有现成的可以国内能发展有我们也接受希望建立共同图像因为共同的图像并不是在指挥中心而是在政府不同的机构地方政府 |
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比方講我們在開會的時候這次俄烏的俄國抱歉是這個美國跟伊朗這中間因為烏克蘭的面積是台灣的16.7倍伊朗的面積是台灣的45倍所以領土不同目標分散不同你如果沒有一個精準的標註 |
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将来对战地损伤哪些地方要调节哪些地方要强化不是纯粹国军的指管中心这个东西我们后面有做出建议提到台湾之盾我们当然支持目的方法手段预期现况建立一个一体化的系统最主要现在还在评估IBCSIBCS是陆军的系统在我们国家要把空军现有的 |
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工山強工還有空軍的環網要整合進去這個是美國的不同廠商的資料庫跟他的介面那尤其是我們中科院有些介面跟他們不同這個大家要努力我們是支持這個理想但是絕對不是說用一個簡單的想法我們有時間但是預算夠不夠他不是放在特別條例之內強調的因為原先啟動這個構想的時候 |
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國防部完全沒有向我們在野黨做報告那也就是說你們有細部的研究但是報告的時間太晚到去年底前都沒有 |
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那各位看一下这是空军自动化防空的系统啊我们从天网到墙网到环网到环展它的背景的美国外商公司都换了那有些是现在可以借接有些未来还努力尤其是现在中科院的强工啊跟这个美方要做借机啊那将来有很大的共同合作跟努力的空间啊那这个提供建议 |
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那么整体作战的系统这个IBCS现在还在做评估它有很好的能力但有很多的限制因素我们讲限制因素这里面各位看一下红色的眼目 |
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高度通信網路依賴因為我們舉個例來講我們政府說我們的海嵐中段有70個衛星點站那個能力非常有限那個是OneWeb商用衛星會被蓋台的所以不能夠想像中就說我只要商用的備援就可以解決你還要靠其他的機動的這個微波或者中繼台或者是軍用的頻道這個我們跟美方合作另外再談 |
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那能不能够共同开发能够不能够共同操作这个界面呢要中科院要扮演非常大的角色几乎要全程参与啊那这个我们看一下这个我们就把它拆开来了啊IBS是一个很好的系统但是要把它整体的整合进来三军呢里面还要共同努力因为整个在太空的武器我们没有这个能力中轨低轨卫星频道有限 |
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所以你現在看左邊的圖這是一個4億的雷達範圍圖可是你要把你周遭的範圍不只是防空識別區包括友邦包括比方講這個 |
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我們講馬六甲海峽一直到南海到巴士海峽到宮古海峽這個地方我們都要能夠掌握那右邊這個圖啊就是講左端是我們的徵收器右端是你的武器端包括天弓強弓未來的海馬斯包括NASA各種遠程還有我們的配炮雷達機動雷達所以 |
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C5ISR還加上T這個T是targeting平常對定點目標我們的情報分析都有排序但是臨時有重要的對方的機動性的目標你這個時候三個軍種不同的偵測器你要 |
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比对交产生聚焦这个时候啊你的时间很有限比方讲海马斯可以打很远机动鱼叉也很远但是这两个系统中间怎么做沟通所以不只是中科院介入装备整合包括我们的国防大学的职餐教育的图教学都要改进所以我们看到的是一个复合型的东西各位看这边了 |
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这个支持啊国军强化战力啊赖总统啊讲我们要继续支持但有一点我提出啊这个比例不同啊 |
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日本的這個國防預算1.8兆但他總預算26兆所以只佔7%那麼韓國的這個國防預算是1.4兆總預算16兆只佔9%但是因為我們的總預算只有3兆目前國防的預算加特別條例加起來已經佔了30%所以不是在野黨在這裡面去 |
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不支持而是说你的优秀一个整合过程中间我们更要努力所以台湾之盾不是一个概念的盾就像总统讲的但是这里面有很多的界面要三个军种甚至跟中科院跟国内产业要共同来努力整合谈到了美国跟伊朗的战争你发现打到的通通都是 |
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民間的設施煉油廠電網以及高科技的運算中心這幅圖就是把我們社會韌性所有的結果用AI去把你的關聯性做出來這個圖只是表層它一共有三層我們也可以協助第一個優先是什麼就是電網 |
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我們17個超高壓配電站沿著臺海臺灣西部如果被打了跳電了你72小時恢復不了醫院崩盤社會崩盤這個時候跟飛彈打多少沒有必然的直接關聯防禦很重要這個電網啊能源啊廣播系統啊醫療系統這個是非常重要這個他要做成網路架構那我們政府呢是政府的核心任務是用敘述式的 |
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各個看他這個五個他是獨立從上到下但是沒有橫向的聯繫這張圖套了五層圖伊朗德黑蘭首都最後伊朗的神學的領導人士被集中的位置都可以校準校正出來 |
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那请问我们对于人家的借镜有没有采用这个相同方法这个是伊朗南部的那个小学女生的学校被打了死了165个各位看左上图小学军营应该是雾籍这是这个战斧飞弹打的所以我们可以利用GIS AIS还有很多的校正卫星图可以把这个做出来 |
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那這個就是所謂的這個這個叫做什麼叫叫做這個哈爾克島啊那目前美方打的是他的機場跑道跟旁邊的指揮那我們用及時的情資也做套疊讓大家可以看到有共同圖像是在戰略判斷跟 |
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軍事行動過程中間的一個重要橋樑所以國防部現在已經在推動J-COP但並不是在指揮中心而是在長官開會的時候在討論重要國際情勢的時候這個現象要顯示出來我最後用一張圖給各位看這是今天早上七點鐘 |
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這個荷姆茲海峽的荷姆茲海峽進口的地方有伊朗的領海也有阿聯酋的領海中間的公海部分非常少所以說它並不叫封鎖它可以關閉我的領海你跟我友好你可以無害通過你不友好我就不讓你進來所以現在今天早上我們點選的幾個船的目標都是 |
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伊朗自己进出阿联酋进出那么另外呢有印度的透过其他方法跟他沟通把挂齐那在这个软体上面呢你可以点选进去有付钱的你可以回溯哪一天哪个时间哪个目标都可以看出来这个部分的图啊我们会提供这个这个海军啊那请大海局在这个方面强化套叠也提供国防部做参考我以上做的建议啊请副部长啊您做一个参考 |
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是謝謝委員剛剛很明確的一個指導那剛剛委員所指導部門後續在台灣之盾的一個研討上面會納入參考第二個部分是我們從去年開始10月份就已經成立了有關台灣之盾的專案辦公室那剛剛委員所指導相關的選項其實都是在我們的評估跟實際在研討當中那後續有一些確實的進度會也會跟委員做一個詳細的說明 |
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好那这次在伊朗的状况伊朗本身的防空被摧毁可是他反击力量造成以色列巨大的损伤那这个部分就证明了即便是铁穹因为你的飞弹数量是有限的你就算是有几百枚几千枚对这种大批的无人机的耗损 |
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那無人機我想中科院在干擾部分現在已經在強化那有一部分絕對不是用彈去打而且就是目前的快炮甚至用這個雷射干擾比方講一千瓦一公里範圍內的這種我想中科院都在努力做這個部分可以抵消很多而不是用產生多少枚飛彈去攔截多少 |
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这个进犯的这个远程火箭因为我们的数量是永远不够那另外就是维护整合所有的侦测装备三军的装备讯号要通联这个还有努力的空间 |
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是 就是所以我們在報告當中也特別對目前中共的一個原火營包含到剛剛委員所指導的PHLO動山以上的一個原火系統我們後續為研製籌貨相關攔截的低成本的防空武器希望能夠同步來建置防空的一個能量也納入我們的研究參考希望大家共同努力謝謝謝謝委員指導 |