| IVOD_ID |
167459 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167459 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-10T09:00:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-10T09:17:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:00:54 - 09:17:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議（事由：一、本院國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「115年度總預算案中，具有急迫性及攸關重大民生之新興資本支出及新增計畫（如附件），本院同意先行予以動支。」俾以補救行政院怠於推動政務，消極不作為之行徑，影響國計民生。是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月6日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席,我邀請我們行政院卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢我們運動部啊,李陽部長運動部長備詢 |
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中委好 非常好 院長先請教你 上禮拜去日本看球 看棒球在跑到日本去看這場棒球的時候 不曉得你的心情是怎麼樣 看起來很爽 |
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假日時間跟國人一樣關心Team Taiwan我們的國家棒球隊能不能在緊要的關頭也提高士氣所以假日時間我利用這個假日私人的活動到東京巨蛋球場觀看了一場非常振奮人心的比賽你說的是說振奮啦在我的看法那個是看那個贏球那一定是非常爽的一件事情但是問題就是說 |
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看到我們台灣的球隊到日本去打這一場的一個經典賽你前陣子已經輸嘛 輸澳洲 輸日本再來贏 一定會覺得很高興可是國內又不爽 |
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國內馬上有人不爽可是我也覺得好奇怪就是說院長怎麼突然因為我記得在前兩天我還跟院長有建議說我們可能大開刀啊還有人在大街啊我們來創一個轉播大家走一走來看球一定會很開心 |
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有人建議說 那錢很多 還有很多的細節要安排我沒有想到說 欸 其實跑到日本東京去這個是第一個 國人一定會感覺這是一件很振奮的一件事情這個是台日整個外交的一個重大的突破又碰到我們台灣隊在日本又打贏了但是呢 |
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國民黨跟民眾黨這個腦袋瓜就長得跟國人不太一樣第一個的想法就是說 你這樣給我開多少錢你是怎麼會出現在日本 出現在東京這個地方不過我對院長的回答 在野黨的講法是說你說這個是私人行程 這個我聽起來合理但是你說這個私人行程的安排 你說又自廢我第一個想法就是說 天啊 我們有這麼多的行政議長 |
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部長是先去的,他沒有跟我一起 |
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你不覺得站在院長旁邊很難過嗎院長我跟你報告我跟我去年有機會跟韓院長我們一起到日本去喔我相信對處一定會很爽 |
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瀟瀟 整天一直拜訪 一直拜訪 一直拜訪 一直拜訪我以為 我也認為說那個是已經很輕鬆的一個拜訪的一個行程啊可是一跟了 跟你們這種大咖的出門沒有一件輕鬆的啦但是本席一直認為說你雖然是私人行程啊但是按照憲法的規定啊行政院長是國家最高行政首長啊你去到哪裡有什麼事 哪怕你是私人行程你維安的一個安排 |
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你剛才說什麼要叫你改天改晚這個國家是一個制度啊那你說交通的一個安排剛才說你改天出錢那也都是一個制度啊 |
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馬前總統他卸任了以後啊 我在國體我賺了他很多錢出門國安也是一堆啊 他是一個卸任的元首嘛他的安全你必須要去給他維護嘛哪怕是不同的黨的 你也不可以說 我的財產都他賺了之後什麼人卸我錢也能夠蓋住 那也不得了的一件事情啊所以維安的安排 |
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我除了去看國家隊的比賽之外其實我當天決定去之後 |
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我最想要做的一件事情我想看看我們台灣隊長陳傑憲他首當的傷勢因為我知道他第一場受傷就不能再下場但是我去到現場礙於整個他們還是在默契上的訓練我沒有去打擾他們但是我確實是這是我一個很大的一個期待能夠去慰問我們的台灣隊長那這個已經過去了 |
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那至於您說為什麼一個私人的行程我要用自費在立法院還沒有通過行政院的預算的時候立法院去年的大幅刪除行政院預算的時候我如果用公費今天的問題會更大他會說沒有這個預算沒有通過刪除了為什麼用公費去走一個私人的行程 |
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是不是會不會有這種質疑當然會有這種質疑當然所以我一開始設定我如果可以行刑經過一般的程序申請我一定要自費前往我不想讓立法院的委員們來對行政院挑這個毛病所以我完全自費所有單據都在我手上我一塊錢都沒有報工費連我去到當地坐遊覽車的錢也是我自費的 |
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連門票所有的門票我都是一張一張跟棒協去買下來的請他們代買的沒有任何的失敗安全人員當然跟我去我只有三個隨身的隨戶跟我去其他都是其他工作人員連隨戶的 |
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的費用也都是我出的這是沒有錯的 所有都在裡面這個我佩服啦但我都覺得你跟人家破壞了一個原來原來的慣例所以也不太好我就是在一個被破壞的預算體制下做這些事情這樣也是要給你按讚但是問題就是說行政首長出門比較有溝通給他出錢出門維安你要給他倒出錢我覺得這個 |
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道理 但是本席表達這一次你這樣的一個動作我還是佩服接下來第二個問題我這條算不好意思把你突襲了不然我整條路都要蒙了但是我還是覺得很怪的一點就是說你要去我都認為這是為什麼說是一個重大的外交突破你不可能 外交部長請上來一下 我覺得這很奇怪變長 請外交部部長 |
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我們有可能說你要去到日本 高市早苗那你就不知道了 一定知道嘛高市早苗 日本政府一定跟你說OK 那個台灣行政院長 卓榮泰來我們給他拍拍看 不然他來這樣了 你也會去到那裡所以我為什麼覺得是一個重大的外交突破 |
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林部長 剛才你頭前偷偷在那偷偷摸摸就要部署了就是說這個日本一定要重大外交突破 有沒有報告委員長已經有說明 這個性質是私人形成當然我想政治人物在國際上外面都會有一定的解讀 我們也予以尊重 |
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這次都是一般的申請程序沒有任何特殊什麼樣的人做什麼大力的協助我們就是一般的申請一般的包機 一般的行程這樣一天來回很單純的私人的活動跟行程這樣一定要 我們職人我們比較怕病的兩座職人 到年底的時候 我們性質怕到好外國比賽的時候 你們頭頭來看一看 |
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時間暫停 外交部長跟運動部長請回時間暫停 兩位部長請回是不是請我們交通部部長麻煩請交通部長備選我們海委會主委麻煩請海委會主委管主委備選我接下來要繼續就教院長的就是說 |
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我們立法院的前同事就是國民黨的委員 許育仁委員在美國的國會他去作證他去作證他認為說我們台灣整個台南的韌性 |
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他認為他也感到非常的一個擔心就是說台灣的海嵐包含我們99%通訊設備還有整個的金融交易雲端運算國防系統跟跨國資料流動的一個命脈目前台灣有頭城跟淡水 |
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巴黎跟仿山金門五個國際海欄的一個登陸站還有連接15條這樣的一個國際海欄像他的傳輸寬頻我聽他在作證 我走一走說是衛星的一百萬倍 |
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那他在作證的時候他也很擔心啦很擔心就是說以台灣我們現在來看的話海嵐的一個維修船隻跟耗材的一個來源那是說這個風險審查的一個控制我們現在呢政府做這件事情我們增加部件的密度跟我們的後援的部門看要怎麼去確保他的一個韌性甚至於啊 |
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我們在立法院裡面,我們行政院也在2025年就去年完成所謂的海嵐七法的修正將海底的通訊、電力、電纜、天然氣跟自來水這些設施都納入保護這個並提高刑責,這個都值得來肯定行政院但是他也去講到說台灣萬一,萬一我們的纜線遭到破壞的時候 |
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國際上的船的調度要32天那我們台灣要一百十天平常時間那個是颱風來那個是修復的問題可是如果是一種灰色作戰地帶的話灰色的衝突的話那就麻煩了會衍生重大的一個國安危機外面的交通部長 我們交通部的看法是怎麼樣 |
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674.981 |
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報告委員這個部分其實院長在去年的七月也有指示要進行修法那跟交通部相關的就是氣象法跟船舶法還有上崗法這個部分的修法也都已經完成那最近對於這個海嵐的保護的相關的法令完備之後其實我們看到的現象是 |
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對於三五的船隻我們的管理也落實了還有黑五旗的船隻我們的管理也落實了所以這個現象已經開始在減少海巡這邊也相當的幫忙只要遇到這方面的狀況海巡會馬上到現場去例如說這幾天就有發生一個海嵐疑似被勾斷的現象我們跟海巡這邊的合作也相當的密切目前這艘船隻也在外海滯留目前10點就要進台北港 |
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721.57 |
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接受我們的這個檢查跟詢問我的意思是說海南線的建置那麼長那麼長台灣是一個海島型國家別的國家你像歐盟那些國家其他都是陸地嘛它有很多的一個電纜可以用那台灣因為是海島我們去用破海你像譬如說監察院的報告裡面他就講得很清楚 |
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檢察院提出一個示警就是說那些暗船我們現在海巡署還有我們現在國家對這些暗船的比對它叫做暗船就是那組那組的處理料ASS給你關掉雷達上看得到一艘船在那個地方它到底是誰我們全部都不知道那一些暗船如果對我們海嵐的一個破壞的話 |
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770.537 |
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791.951 |
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我們只有國際上調度大概要三十多天我們自己修理要八天我要講的就是說一架船我們自己政府去評估海底纜線的修復我們自己去造要三到四十億那我們如果說那個一年的維修費用要八億這要怎麼讓人維修一年到一億 |
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到民間企業誰要投入 不合啊我的意思就是說我為什麼說他是一個國安的一個餘率軍艦你不會去講成本多貴你都會去買飛彈保護國家多貴你也要去買這個海染涉及到整個國家的一個國安的一個餘率他萬一被那些 |
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案傳就是一種灰色的衝突沒有開戰可是我用這些把你騷擾甚至切斷你的一個海欄你只剩國際調度32天我們自己要罷一天這段時間如果這些那麼多的案傳來給你做破壞這樣我們自己國安的一個韌性我不知道你們有什麼樣的 |
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861.673 |
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是要籌備自治的維護能力還是 再這樣全世界去跟他們搶這樣到時如果不是成平時期 成平時期還好喔如果比較緊張的時候 本席表達非常嚴重的一個關心啦 院長你們要怎麼做 跟委員報告 |
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海巡的這個部分我們就負責在事前和航港局密切的合作其實我們的海纜目前中華電信跟航港局都有自動警示系統還有自動廣播系統海巡也透過我們的雷達的監控對於海纜區域範圍之內如果有異常滯留或者是異常航行的船隻 |
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我們都會監控那另外跟澳委員所關心的岸船或者是剛剛部長所說的有一些黑名單我們也都建立了一個非常完整的黑名單而且我們還分級把它的風險跟威脅程度有分級在守護那事後像剛剛部長所說的這幾天斷纜的事件 |
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我們的海嵐經常被灰色地帶的侵擾或是有意無意的破壞 |
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為了加強這樣的防範我們確實我們已經加入了國際維修船區有兩個船隊一個是橫濱一個是東南亞印度洋的兩個船隊這裡面有多少的船非中國籍的船包括日本韓國新加坡印尼等等都跟我們是一個team可以共同來除了我們還尋求加強地區我們其實也要跟漁民一起來 |
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我們的政府不應該針對這一些我們整個通信的一個韌性涉及到整個國安局對不對我們應該要有一個自主的本土的一個團隊不然出事的話 |
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想過一年,說了多少次三、四天,我們自己在社會上做什麼雖然一年才了不起七、八次,最高到十二次但重點是說,區域衝突的一個升高的時候這個國安的一個韌性,通訊的韌性的一個提升值得我們行政院再去改善國際上的合作,我們再來加強衝突的力量好,謝謝院長,加油好,謝謝莊榮雄委員資訊,謝謝卓院長各相關部會首長備詢,謝謝 |
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好 接下來 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:00:54.209000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，有請行政院卓院長、運動部李洋部長。 |
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主席 |
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麻煩請卓院長、運動部長備詢。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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莊委員好。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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院長好。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:01:32.807000+08:00 |
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院長，先請教你，上禮拜你去日本看棒球，在日本看這場棒球的時候，不曉得你的心情是怎麼樣？ |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:01:48.215000+08:00 |
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看了有沒有很「爽」？ |
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0.429 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:01:51.708000+08:00 |
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在假日的時間我跟國人一樣，關心team Taiwan，我們的國家棒球隊能不能在緊要的關頭也提高士氣，所以我利用這個假日的時間，以私人的活動到東京巨蛋球場，觀看了一場非常振奮人心的比賽。 |
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0.906 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:02:12.002000+08:00 |
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你是說振奮，但在我的看法，看贏球一定是非常「爽」的一件事情，但問題就是，看到我們臺灣的球隊到日本去打這場經典賽，在之前都已經輸了嘛！ |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:02:29.499000+08:00 |
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輸澳洲，也輸日本，後來贏了一定會覺得很高興嘛！ |
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0.8 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:02:30.240000+08:00 |
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可是國內又馬上有人不爽，可是我也覺得很奇怪院長怎麼突然……因為我記得前兩天我還跟院長建議，我們可能就在凱道啊，還是在哪裡來轉播，大家約一約來看球，一定會很高興的，但也有人建議那樣錢會需要很多，也有很多的細節要安排。 |
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0.794 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:02:59.398000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:02.861000+08:00 |
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我沒有想到居然跑到日本東京去了！ |
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0.8 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:04.022000+08:00 |
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第一個，這個一定是會讓國人感覺到很振奮的事情，是臺日整個外交的一個重大突破，也碰到我們臺灣隊在日本又打贏了，但是國民黨跟民眾黨這個腦袋瓜就長得跟國人不太一樣。 |
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0.878 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:23.637000+08:00 |
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第一個想法就是，你這樣給我花多少錢？ |
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0.938 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:27.980000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:31.502000+08:00 |
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你為什麼會出現在日本東京這個地方？ |
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0.875 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:32.282000+08:00 |
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不過，我對院長回答在野黨的講法是這是私人行程，這部分我聽起來合理，但是你說這個私人行程的安排是自費，我第一個想法就是天底下哪有這麼笨的行政院院長？ |
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0.853 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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1 |
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哪有錢是自己在自費的？ |
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0 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:47.651000+08:00 |
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1 |
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對於你出門之後的私人行程，我覺得……為什麼我要叫李洋部長上來？ |
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0 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:48.651000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:49.651000+08:00 |
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你跟著卓院長出去，你覺得那是私人還是公務行程？ |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:48.848000+08:00 |
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部長是先去的，他沒有跟我一起去。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:03:48.848000+08:00 |
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1 |
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你沒有一起去喔？ |
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0 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:04.816000+08:00 |
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如果一起去，你不覺得站在院長的旁邊都是苦差事嗎？ |
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0.5 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:09.981000+08:00 |
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我跟院長報告，去年我有機會跟韓院長一起到日本，我想說跟他出去一定是去玩的，會很「爽」的，你知不知道？ |
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0.558 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:20.084000+08:00 |
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「瘋瘋」的，就整天一直拜訪、一直拜訪，我也認為那個已經是很輕鬆的拜訪行程，可是跟你們這種「大咖的」出門，沒有一件輕鬆的啦！ |
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0.902 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:33.632000+08:00 |
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但是本席一直認為雖然你是私人行程，但按照憲法的規定，行政院院長是國家最高行政首長，你去到何處哪裡有所謂私人行程的！ |
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0.792 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:44.718000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:50.421000+08:00 |
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哪怕你是私人行程，維安的安排哪有什麼叫你自己付費的！ |
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0.708 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:52.282000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:53.202000+08:00 |
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這個是國家的一個制度啊！ |
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0.818 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:54.143000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:57.364000+08:00 |
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你說交通的安排，哪有說你自己一個人出錢？ |
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0.5 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:57.364000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:58.645000+08:00 |
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那也都是一個制度啊！ |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:04:59.915000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:05:16.729000+08:00 |
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馬前總統卸任了以後，我在高鐵遇到他很多次，出門維安也是一堆，他是一個卸任的元首嘛，他的安全，你必須要去維護，哪怕是不同的黨，也不能說是在野黨下來之後。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:05:17.450000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:05:19.912000+08:00 |
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誰稍微去碰到馬英九，也是不得了的一件事情啊！ |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:05:19.912000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:05:21.390000+08:00 |
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所以維安的安排，馬英九去到什麼地方，卸任沒有一件是公務行程，都是私人，維安的安排沒有自費的啦！ |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:05:21.390000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:05:22.868000+08:00 |
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交通方面，他坐高鐵，政府也要幫他補助啊，所以我現在搞不懂的就是說，院長你為什麼會用自費？ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:05:22.868000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:08.415000+08:00 |
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我除了去看國家隊的比賽之外，其實我當天決定……我決定去之後，我最想要做的一件事情，我想看看我們臺灣隊長陳傑憲手上的傷勢，因為我知道他第一場受傷就不能再下場，但是我去到現場，礙於他們整個還在默契上的訓練，我沒有去打擾他們，但是這確實是我一個很大的期待，能夠去慰問我們的臺灣隊長，這個已經過去了。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:10.451000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:15.793000+08:00 |
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至於您說為什麼一個私人的行程，我要用自費？ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:15.793000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:35.128000+08:00 |
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在立法院還沒有通過行政院預算的時候、立法院去年大幅刪除行政院預算的時候，我如果用公費，今天的問題會更大，他會說沒有這個預算、沒有通過、刪除了，為什麼用公費去走一個私人的行程，是不是？ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:36.208000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:36.868000+08:00 |
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會不會有這種質疑？ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:37.429000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:38.649000+08:00 |
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當然會有這種質疑！當然。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:06:39.049000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:25.896000+08:00 |
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所以我一開始設定如果可以成行，經過一般的程序成行，我一定要自費前往，我不想讓立法院的委員們對行政院挑這個毛病，所以我完全自費，所有的單據都在我手上，我一塊錢都沒有報公費，連我去到當地坐遊覽車的錢也是我自費的，連所有的門票，我都是一張一張跟棒協買下來，請他們代買的，沒有任何是……安全人員當然跟我去，我只有三個隨身的隨扈跟我去，其他都是其他工作人員，連隨扈的費用也都是我出的，這是沒有錯的，所有都在裡面。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:27.057000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:33.781000+08:00 |
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院長，這個我佩服，但我覺得你已經給人家破壞了一個原來的慣例，這也不太好。 |
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0.812 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:34.262000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:36.143000+08:00 |
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因為我就是在一個被破壞的預算體制下做這些事情。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:36.183000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:51.581000+08:00 |
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這樣也是要給你按讚，但是問題就是說，行政首長出門，哪有交通要自己出錢，出門維安要你幫忙出錢，我覺得這個不合理…… |
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0.796 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:51.581000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:52.581000+08:00 |
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沒有問題，只要…… |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:51.921000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:56.124000+08:00 |
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但是本席表達對於這次你這樣的一個動作，我還是佩服。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:07:56.704000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:00.166000+08:00 |
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接下來第二個問題，不好意思，這個問題算是跟你突襲啦，不然我實在是一大堆要問。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:01.247000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:12.573000+08:00 |
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我還是覺得很怪的一點就是，你要去，我為什麼說是一個重大的外交突破，你不可能……外交部部長請上來一下，我就覺得這很奇怪。 |
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0.962 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:14.395000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:14.675000+08:00 |
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院長，請外交部部長。 |
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0.875 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:14.675000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:18.657000+08:00 |
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麻煩請外交部備詢。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:18.657000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:23.481000+08:00 |
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怎麼可能你去到日本，高市早苗不知道的？ |
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0.824 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:24.202000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:33.050000+08:00 |
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一定知道嘛，日本政府一定跟你說OK，臺灣行政院院長卓榮泰來，我們給他鼓掌，讓他來了之後，你才讓他進去到那裡面。 |
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0.776 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:33.050000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:37.314000+08:00 |
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所以我為什麼覺得是一個重大的外交突破？ |
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1 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:38.380000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:48.751000+08:00 |
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林部長，會不會你們前面偷偷摸摸在那裡部署了，就是日本，一定要重大外交突破，有沒有？ |
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0.778 |
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林部長佳龍 |
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2026-03-10T09:08:49.211000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:00.543000+08:00 |
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報告委員，院長已經有說明，這個性質是私人行程，當然我想政治人物在國際上，外面都會有一定的解讀，我們也予以尊重。 |
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0.939 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:00.543000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:03.831000+08:00 |
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沒有……是哪一個？ |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:03.831000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:18.180000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，這都是一般的申請程序，沒有任何特殊什麼樣的人做什麼大力的協助，我們就是一般的申請、一般的包機、一般的行程，這樣一天來回，很單純的私人的活動跟行程。 |
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0.93 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:19.321000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:27.286000+08:00 |
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這樣啦，院長，我們職籃如果比較努力一點，到年底的時候，成績打好一點，改天到外國比賽的時候，你們再偷偷來看我們一下。 |
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0.52 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:29.716000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:31.777000+08:00 |
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時間暫停，外交部部長跟運動部部長請回。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:32.797000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:33.918000+08:00 |
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時間暫停，兩位部長請回。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:35.938000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:38.359000+08:00 |
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是不是請我們交通部部長？ |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:38.359000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:40.700000+08:00 |
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麻煩請交通部部長備詢。 |
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0.8 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:40.700000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:42.761000+08:00 |
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還有我們海委會主委。 |
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0.778 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:42.981000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:43.681000+08:00 |
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麻煩請海委會主委管主委備詢。 |
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0.923 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:09:43.681000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:10:27.432000+08:00 |
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我接下來要繼續就教院長，我們立法院的前同事，就是國民黨的許毓仁委員在美國國會作證，他提到我們臺灣整個海纜的韌性令他感到非常的憂心，因為臺灣的海纜包含了99%的通訊設備還有整個的金融交易、雲端運算、國防系統及跨國資料流動的命脈。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:10:27.432000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:10:41.401000+08:00 |
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目前臺灣有頭城、淡水、八里、枋山及金門共5個國際海纜登陸站，並連接15條國際海纜，它的傳輸頻寬讓我嚇了一跳，他在作證時表示傳輸頻寬是衛星的一百萬倍、是一百萬倍。 |
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0.609 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:10:50.531000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:11:05.996000+08:00 |
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他在作證的時候也表示非常擔心，以臺灣的現況而言，包含海纜的維修船隻及耗材的來源，應考量相關風險及審查控制。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:11:07.296000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:11:32.809000+08:00 |
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現在政府做很多事情，包括增加布建的密度與後援的部分如何確保它的韌性，甚至在立法方面，行政院也在2025年完成所謂的海纜七法修正，將海底的通訊、電力、電纜、天然氣及自來水等設施納入保護並提高刑責，這些都值得對行政院肯定。 |
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莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:11:33.589000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:11:50.411000+08:00 |
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但是他也提到臺灣的纜線萬一遭到破壞，調度國際上的船隻修復需要32天，臺灣自行修復則需110天。 |
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| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
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2026-03-10T09:11:51.592000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:12:07.540000+08:00 |
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平常颱風破壞是修復的問題，若是灰色作戰地帶或灰色衝突的話就麻煩了，會衍生重大的國安危機，不知道交通部有什麼看法？ |
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0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
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2026-03-10T09:12:08.981000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-10T09:12:19.035000+08:00 |
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報告委員，其實院長在去年的7月有指示要進行修法，和交通部相關的就是氣象法、船舶法還有商港法，這部分的修法都已經完成。 |
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0.942 |
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陳部長世凱 |
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2026-03-10T09:12:19.696000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:12:41.775000+08:00 |
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最近對於海纜保護的相關法令完備之後，我們對於三無的船隻管理有落實，還有黑五旗的船隻管理也落實了，所以這些現象已經開始在減少，而且海巡署也積極的協助，只要遇到這方面的狀況，海巡會馬上至現場。 |
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陳部長世凱 |
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2026-03-10T09:12:42.255000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:12:57.832000+08:00 |
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例如這幾天就發生一件海纜疑似被勾斷的情況，我們與海巡的合作也相當密切，目前這艘船隻在外海滯留，今日上午十時就要進臺北港接受檢查與詢問。 |
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0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-10T09:13:03.496000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:13:31.037000+08:00 |
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臺灣是一個海島型國家，海纜線的建置非常長，別的國家或像歐盟國家的一條電纜斷了，其他陸地上還有很多的電纜可以用，但因為臺灣是海島，海纜線如果被破壞，比如監察院的報告裡面就講得很清楚，監察院提出一個示警，就是有一些暗船，現在海巡署，還有國家對這些暗船進行比對，為什麼稱為暗船？ |
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0.677 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-10T09:13:31.638000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:13:37.783000+08:00 |
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就是船隻一出海後將AIS關掉，雷達上看得到一艘船，但我們不知道它到底是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-10T09:13:39.824000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:13:48.920000+08:00 |
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這些暗船如果對我們的海纜進行破壞，我們光是國際調度的船隻要32天，自己修復則需要110天。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.649 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-10T09:13:49.140000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:14:12.106000+08:00 |
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院長，我要表達的是，經政府評估自己建造一艘海底纜線修復船隻需三至四十億，一年的維修費用要8億，如果請別人維修，一年才1億，這樣民間企業誰要投入？ |
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0.619 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-10T09:14:12.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-10T09:14:13.166000+08:00 |
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不划算啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-10T09:14:14.908000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-10T09:14:16.309000+08:00 |
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所以我為什麼說它有國安的疑慮？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-10T09:14:19.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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2026-03-10T09:14:26.516000+08:00 |
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軍艦，你不會去講成本，無論多貴多貴，我們都會去買；飛彈，為了保護國家，不管多貴，你也要去買。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-10T09:14:26.516000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:14:56.036000+08:00 |
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而這些海纜涉及整個國家國安的疑慮，萬一因為那些暗船發生灰色的衝突，雖然沒有開戰，可是使用某些手段騷擾，甚至切斷海纜，光是請國際調度要32天，我們自己的船需要110天，這段時間，如果有那麼多的暗船來進行破壞，這樣對於我們的國安韌性，我不知道你們有何方法可處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.655 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-10T09:14:58.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-10T09:15:01.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
是要籌備自主的維護能力？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-10T09:15:02.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-10T09:15:05.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
還是到全世界去請人維修？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-10T09:15:06.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-10T09:15:09.391000+08:00 |
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萬一遇到不是承平時期呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-10T09:15:09.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-10T09:15:12.752000+08:00 |
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承平時期還好，如果情勢比較緊張的時候呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-10T09:15:13.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-10T09:15:15.073000+08:00 |
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所以本席對此要表達非常嚴重的關心！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-10T09:15:15.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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2026-03-10T09:15:15.573000+08:00 |
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院長，你們要怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
管主任委員碧玲 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-10T09:15:24.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-10T09:15:28.586000+08:00 |
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有關海巡的部分，我們負責在事前與航港局密切合作。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
管主任委員碧玲 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-10T09:15:29.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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2026-03-10T09:15:51.184000+08:00 |
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就我們的海纜而言，目前中華電信跟航港局都有自動警示系統及自動廣播系統，而海巡也透過雷達監控，即在海纜區域範圍之內，如果有異常滯留或異常航行的船隻，我們都會監控。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
管主任委員碧玲 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-10T09:15:51.805000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:16:06.358000+08:00 |
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另外，剛剛委員所關心的暗船問題，或剛剛部長所說的黑名單，我們除了已經建立非常完整的黑名單外，我們還分級，也就是依照風險與威脅程度來分級、守護。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.734 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
管主任委員碧玲 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-10T09:16:06.598000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:16:07.559000+08:00 |
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至於事後，如同剛剛部長所說，像這幾天的斷纜事件，事後我們對於有可能有嫌疑，但現在證據還不明確，也不一定確定是它。 |
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0.3 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
管主任委員碧玲 |
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2026-03-10T09:16:07.559000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-10T09:16:12.643000+08:00 |
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但只要有嫌疑的船，有時候一個案我們會追兩、三艘船。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-10T09:16:12.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-10T09:16:15.947000+08:00 |
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我們的海纜經常受到灰色地帶的侵擾或有意無意的破壞。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-10T09:16:32.946000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:16:43.433000+08:00 |
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為了加強與防範，我們已經加入國際維修船區，目前有兩個船隊：一個是橫濱；一個是東南亞、印度洋，共兩個船隊。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-10T09:16:43.433000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:16:50.838000+08:00 |
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這裡面有多艘非中國籍的船，包括日本、韓國、新加坡、印尼等等，跟我們是一個team，可以來共同維護我們的海纜，我們會強力保護。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-10T09:16:50.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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2026-03-10T09:16:51.518000+08:00 |
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除了海巡署加強巡護以外，我們其實也要跟漁民一起合作。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-10T09:17:02.109000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:17:37.309000+08:00 |
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所以政府應該針對整個通訊韌性，凡涉及國安疑慮的，都應該由自主的、本土的團隊處理，否則一旦出事處理起來太慢了！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-10T09:17:37.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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2026-03-10T09:17:39.370000+08:00 |
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從國際調船隻修護要32天，如果我們自己修護的話常常要一百天多，雖然一年了不起發生七、八次，最高到12次！ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.442 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-10T09:17:39.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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2026-03-10T09:17:40.171000+08:00 |
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但重點是：一旦區域衝突升高時，有關國安韌性、通訊韌性的提升，值得行政院再繼續努力加強。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-10T09:17:40.391000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:17:41.011000+08:00 |
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我們先尋求國際上的合作，再來加強本土的力量。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.65 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
莊委員瑞雄 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-10T09:17:41.051000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:17:41.152000+08:00 |
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謝謝院長，加油。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-10T09:17:41.192000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T09:17:41.852000+08:00 |
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謝謝莊瑞雄委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、各相關部會首長備詢。 |
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0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-10T09:17:42.352000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-10T09:17:47.780571+08:00 |
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接下來請王鴻薇委員質詢，邱慧洳委員請準備。 |
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0.158 |