| IVOD_ID |
167449 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167449 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-10T10:33:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-10T10:50:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:33:31 - 10:50:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議（事由：一、本院國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「115年度總預算案中，具有急迫性及攸關重大民生之新興資本支出及新增計畫（如附件），本院同意先行予以動支。」俾以補救行政院怠於推動政務，消極不作為之行徑，影響國計民生。是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月6日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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李昆成委員質詢 丁薛忠委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝院長我們請卓院長還有李洋部長麻煩再請卓院長 體育部長備選立委好來 院長好這個今天其實我們就是要挺台灣不論是挺外交 挺國防 挺台灣我們就是要一起來挺台灣 |
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那其實這一次台灣代表隊在經典賽雖然是兩勝兩敗沒有辦法進入這一個最後的決賽但是我覺得也打出了一場好球啦14比0玩瘋捷克然後呢5比4擊敗這個韓國我想擊敗韓國那一剎那這個全部的東京巨蛋 |
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歡聲雷動把東京巨蛋變成台北的大巨蛋我想不論是在2023年的十二強還有剛剛結束的經典賽台灣隊的表現都凝聚了我們台灣人共同的意識 |
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那除了這個棒球之外呢 這個部長有好消息啦我們這個林俊逸 全英網這個羽球的公開賽拿到冠軍然後呢 這個葉宏慧 曾宥珍呢是這個混雙的這個冠軍 這個全英的羽球賽然後唐家宏呢 這個是單槓奪冠所以都有好事情 也表示說我們這個政府在投資在運動這個項目也慢慢看出了成績 |
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那所以呢棒球啊不是只有比賽棒球也是一個國家意志的展現那我這邊就要請教一下我們卓院長因為其實在3月7號台灣對捷克的那一場我跟院長還有部長我們是在同一個球場我們都在東京巨蛋 |
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所以那時候我當我聽到說這個院長到東京巨蛋的時候我心裡想說這是一件好事情台日關係又再突破了現任的行政院院長可以到日本東京巨蛋看球 |
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這就是財務關係的突破啊這是一件好事情啊那結果沒想到我看國民黨他們就在講說啊院長為什麼可以這個什麼私人的包機啊去東京巨蛋看球啊一直在糾結院長的私人行程包機的費用 |
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但是他們沒有想到說一個現任的行政院院長如果在現在台灣受到外交的這個壓迫打壓在中國打壓之下能夠到日本東京去看球這是一項外交上面非常了不起的一件事情啊那所以我要請教一下院長 |
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就是說第一個分享一下當時候台灣捷克你也在現場我也在現場部長也在現場當時候的心情怎麼樣因為當時候我們其實前兩場打得很悶嘛第三場當時捷克當然打出來了士氣如虹啊請問一下院長當時候的這個心情怎麼樣 |
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委員很抱歉我要跟所有的委員抱歉行前我們都沒有任何的透露因為我們知道這是一個必須非常謹慎而走的雖然是私人的行程但是還是要非常的謹慎你如果在松山機場你就飛走了跟你講馬上這個新聞就會出來了 |
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所以我一直到落地以後上了遊覽車要快進到球場的時候我覺得說我真的來了那很振奮人心的是當我們跟捷克的比賽第一局我們就得到了兩分尤其是第二局的那一次滿貫全壘打全場的人都跳了起來本來我一直做的沒有很大的動作但是到了全壘打的時候我也跟著 |
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旁邊的蔡吉昌會長還有我們的大使我們都跳得起來了那代表台灣在那一刻是絕對的團結的我們團結不只在那個球場上我們團結在整個國內跟國外是連在一起的也因此我們覺得這一次能夠到日本去雖然是一個短暫的一天來回我唯一的突破是什麼 |
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是台灣隊突破了捷克的防線突破了他的投手突破到第七局結束的時候我們達到了有14分領先而結束那我也為了不要跟人群在一起我是提早就離開現場 |
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怕的就是說很多人聚集的時候又引起大家互相的一些打招呼等等我們是盡量在以一個私人的行為不妨礙到現場那麼也遵照所有的申請程序這樣來進行那院長其實你本身在東京G-LAND球場出現我認為就是一個外交上面一個突破了 |
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只是突破了捷克的防線而已不然你怎麼如果沒有跟日本日方有默契的話怎麼可能通過他的海關我們這次是經過一個很平常的申請的管道跟手續沒有特別拜託什麼樣來協助真的是沒有拜託但是我們內部有內部航班使用地點的這個申請那對方也有他內部的手續但是我們沒有去做任何特殊的管道所以你這個私人行程我認為第一個 |
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台日的默契啦 我認為台日的默契第二個 你也不要讓中共那方面有藉口 有理由要講說台灣又怎麼樣 日本又怎麼樣我覺得這個方向是正確的但是我沒有想到說為什麼除了中國共產黨連中國國民黨也這麼生氣一直在糾結你的費用的一個問題這方面是不是再請院長再答覆一下 |
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我就說我到日本我看棒球比賽為國家隊加油還有我自費哪一樣錯了委員我請教哪一樣錯了因為我們現在總預算也還沒過嘛對啊我如果我剛說我如果用公費的話我今天在這裡是受到另外一種更直接的批評預算沒有你怎麼可以去對啊私人行為行人怎麼可以用公費 |
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總統的批評都會來 所以我一開始就設定是自費的行程那如果委員有意見 我明天可以報公費啊 要不要 |
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不行啦那所以你也都有相關的你的私人自費的所有的收據單據就對了都在都在但是私人的支出不需要向大家來提出意見但是是不是私人的自費去查一下立法院查一下行政院有沒有報一塊錢的工賬有沒有報一塊錢的工賬 |
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因為我們立委也不可能去調說所有的私人你飛去日本花多少錢要多少單據不可能嘛那既然院長已經說這個是私人自費的行程那我們就認為說這部分在外交上面我個人認為我作為一個國會議員當時我聽到我知道院長在現場的時候我就覺得說很棒除了台灣營捷克之外另外一個我認為是一個外交上非常大的一個突破 |
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那這個問一下這個李昂部長你當時也在現場那你那時候不過另外一個台安大賽你也有過去看嗎 |
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臺韓 臺灣隊韓國有 我當時也在現場在現場那時候你有做出一個特別的手勢那有特別象徵什麼樣的意義嗎因為過往我在當老師的時候我們在這個全大運的比賽的時候然後用了這個手勢我們隊伍是最後取得了勝利那當時想說仿效一下那時候的自己那很高興最後韓國隊擊出了一個高飛球被截殺了 |
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所以你做完首次的時候台灣是領先還是那時候落後有平手也有領先的時候因為其實我們那時候是有領先有落後再逆轉這就是台灣的精神那我再請教一下院長那其實我看日本的報導也都相當的正面 |
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你說啊 這個NHK 他說這是斷交後首度有現任的葛奎訪日意義重大朝日新聞說 台日沒有邦交 葛奎訪日呢 極其罕見特別講說 葛奎是除了這個總統 副總統之外 第三號人物然後呢 日本時報也寫說呢日本政界無懼北京的壓力堅持深化台日的準安全同盟關係日本的報導都很正面啊 |
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只有國民黨跟共產黨兩個黨都不開心啊謝謝委員讓我看到這些日本的媒體日本的媒體我沒有辦法去做任何的評論但是就我而言這純粹就是一天來回私人的活動沒有任何其他的評論 |
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好 那因為是我也在現場然後隔天我也看到這個日本的評論都相當的正面我認為啦這個是台日關係的一個提升如果沒有這個台日關係的提升的話我想現任的行政院院長要到日本東京巨蛋去看球不是一件容易的事那所以你看 |
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這個國民黨糾結占你的費用那你有說你有單據嗎那共產黨呢也是啊 哇這個他們的副外長啊馬上致電他們的這個日本駐日大使表達不滿然後呢還說你怎麼可以打擦邊球搞突破所以啊讓共產黨生氣就表示我們做對了我的邏輯像是如此啦 |
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也不一定要故意惹他生氣我們做我們該做的事情但是我看到他們官員公開的講話有學者批評非常的粗俗非常的低俗那我覺得我如果沒有辦法跟我們國內的國人跟委員來說明的話我們如何去對抗中共呢所以我覺得他再粗俗都沒有關係但國內一定要了解這個行程就是我個人的行程 |
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錢的問題不要在這裡這樣的在意討論我已經說明了沒有一塊錢報工費在當下整個一天的行程當中就是一個很單純的看棒球的行動好 這個其實 |
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這個日本的這個媒體他這樣子報導我認為對台灣還有對您過去這個日本這個東京巨蛋來看球其實都是相當的正面但是我是覺得我剛就講到說台灣的棒球能夠凝聚我們台灣的所有的國民的意志所以你看 |
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這個除了他們這個官方很不爽之外連這個經典賽他們都要認知作戰還說什麼我們丟了一大堆垃圾等等之類的那後來這個日本媒體都已經說這個是假訊息這個是認知作戰那所以這方面你就知道說 |
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他們中國是非常不樂意看到台灣在棒球上面有傑出的表現因為我們每次有傑出的表現台灣的所有的這個國民意志我們有這個生命共同體的展現這是中國所不樂意看到的啦這更是一個活生生的例子一方面對我們的球迷 |
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做這樣的污衊但是卻用盡方法要把我們的球員帶到中國去打棒球我覺得我們應該自己心裡要有個底氣台灣就是台灣的英雄就是台灣的國人那麼這樣子來污衊我們卻要我們的人去KTV那邊打棒球 |
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這兩個天平是永遠不對稱的我們應該自我頂警惕好 那李昂部長先請為我現在講到說因為現在就是美國打一仗這件事情大家都很關心那現在就是說我剛提到的認知作戰其實現在假訊息也出來了那經濟部那工部長也請上台 |
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他們認識之後就說3月15號馬上要斷氣了那斷氣之後就開始會斷電這個假訊息馬上就出來了那這幾天我認為啦如果形勢還沒有穩定的話類似這種假訊息都會出來那經濟部也馬上有做了一個澄清跟說明就是說我們 |
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3月份我們12艘船已經完成調度了4月份有8艘已經完成調度了那剩下2艘哪時候可以完成 |
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我們盡快很快因為我們過去的幾天當中就已經調度了十幾艘了所以這兩艘應該會很快可以調度其實大家都會搶因為其實日本 韓國他們也都是靠這邊的這個出口所以其實這也要花一些時間因為我們調度的對象大部分都是主要是澳洲澳洲跟我們關係也很好還有美國澳洲三分之一 美國才十幾趴對不對我們跟調度的 |
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那個就是船的部分額外增加的部分我們是額外跟他們做調度那我就是要提醒卓院長還有我們經濟部齁類似這種假訊息馬上就會出來那當然這個經濟部有馬上在做澄清啊卓天部長馬上有清楚的說明是是是是好那接下來我請那個財政部我們莊部長因為齁 |
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當然這幾天台股市急漲又急跌急漲又急跌其實大家就會關心說我們國安基金是不是可以要召開臨時會我看我們國安基金它會觀察四個指標一個是亞股的差距一個是國際的情勢一個是油價還有股會市的波動 |
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那其實國際情勢目前仍然不穩油價也一直在高漲那股市波動這兩天其實波動的幅度還蠻大的那我請下一家部長我們國安基金有可能會隨時召開臨時會嗎 |
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根據委員報告我們會持續關注這個股市的一個動向那如果有符合國安基金那個設置條例第八條相關的一個條件的話我剛剛講到四個指標了嘛這也是你們自己這個市長講的四個指標啊我們會召開這個臨時會然後請國安基金委員來做一個決議是否要進場付盤這個部分我們會持續的關注 |
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890 |
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院長還是要多注意一下,我們每天都很關注每天都很關注,即使假日院內的會議都還持續在開因為其實就是大家關心這個,第一個是油價那當然也很關心這個股會市的波動那我希望說這個政府在適時必要的時候還是要出來信心喊話接下來我要請中部長請回,我們請國防部的顧部長 |
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時間有限那因為我們這個發架書到這個3月15號有三項到期投射飛彈這個標籤飛彈M109A74走炮那我請教一下這一個部長那3月15號就這個禮拜了那其實要看說這個在野黨有沒有打假球就是看是不是這個禮拜授權書是不是可以讓你先簽 |
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剛剛委員報告,事實上我們第四項發家書也拿到了,就是海馬寺海馬寺我知道,到3月26號 |
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那所以如果這個召開因為我們明天尋找的12號最快召開這個典禮會那最快12號你可以授權給國防部來簽的就是12號平朝財務委員會 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝李坤貞委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備詢 謝謝 |
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李委員坤城 |
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謝謝院長，我們請卓院長還有李洋部長。 |
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主席 |
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麻煩再請卓院長、體育部部長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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李委員好。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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院長好。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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今天其實我們就是要TEAM TAIWAN，WE ARE TEAM TAIWAN，不論是挺外交、挺國防、挺臺灣，我們就是要一起來挺臺灣。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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其實這一次臺灣代表隊在經典賽雖然是兩勝兩敗，沒有辦法進入最後的決賽，但是我覺得也打出了一場好球，14：0完封捷克，然後5：4擊敗韓國，在擊敗韓國的那一剎那，整個東京巨蛋歡聲雷動，把東京巨蛋變成臺北的大巨蛋。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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不論是在2023年的12強，還有剛剛結束的經典賽，臺灣隊的表現都凝聚了我們臺灣人共同的意識。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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部長，除了棒球之外，還有一個好消息，林俊易在全英羽球公開賽拿到冠軍，葉宏蔚、詹又蓁是混雙冠軍，這是全英羽球公開賽，唐嘉鴻是單槓奪冠，所以都有好事情，表示我們政府投資在運動項目也慢慢看出成績了。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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棒球不是只有比賽，棒球也是一個國家意志的展現。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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我就要請教卓院長，其實在3月7日臺灣對捷克的那一場，我跟院長還有部長是在同一個球場，我們都在東京巨蛋，所以那時候當我聽到院長到東京巨蛋的時候，我心裡想這是一件好事情，臺日關係又再突破了，現任的行政院院長可以到日本東京巨蛋看球，這就是臺日關係的突破，這是一件好事情啊！ |
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李委員坤城 |
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結果沒有想到，我看到國民黨在講卓院長為什麼可以私人包機去東京巨蛋看球，一直在糾結院長的私人行程、包機費用，但是他們沒有想到一個現任的行政院院長如何在現在臺灣受到外交的壓迫、打壓，在中國打壓之下，能夠到日本東京去看球，這是一項外交上面非常了不起的事情。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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所以我要請教院長，第一個，當時候臺灣對捷克，你在現場，我也在現場，部長也在現場，分享一下你當時候的心情怎麼樣？ |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-10T10:36:57.468000+08:00 |
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因為我們其實前兩場打得很悶，第三場對捷克打出來了，士氣如虹，請問院長當時候的心情怎麼樣？ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:07.311000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:07.932000+08:00 |
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委員，很抱歉！ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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我要跟所有的委員抱歉，行前我們都沒有任何的透露，因為我們知道這是一個必須非常謹慎著走的。當然！ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:15.999000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:19.102000+08:00 |
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雖然是私人行程，但是還是要非常謹慎。 |
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1 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:19.102000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:23.906000+08:00 |
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你如果在松山機場就飛走了，我跟你講，馬上新聞就會出來了。 |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:24.700000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:44.086000+08:00 |
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所以我一直到落地以後，上了遊覽車，快要進到球場的時候，我覺得我真的來了，很振奮人心的是我們與捷克的比賽，第一局我們就得到了2分，尤其是第二局的那一支滿貫全壘打，全場的人都跳了起來。 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:44.086000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-10T10:37:45.086000+08:00 |
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對，Fairchild的全壘打。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-10T10:37:44.086000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:08.813000+08:00 |
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本來我都一直坐著沒有很大的動作，但是到了全壘打的時候，我也跟著旁邊的蔡其昌會長，還有我們的大使，我們都跳了起來，代表臺灣在那一刻是絕對團結的，我們的團結不只在球場上，我們的團結在整個國內和國外是連在一起的，也因此我們覺得這一次能夠到日本去，雖然是短暫的一天來回，我唯一的突破是什麼？ |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-10T10:38:10.679000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:22.556000+08:00 |
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是臺灣隊突破了捷克的防線，突破了他的投手，突破到第七局結束的時候，我們達到有14分的領先而結束。 |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-10T10:38:23.237000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:43.876000+08:00 |
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我也為了不要跟人群擠在一起，我是提早離開現場，怕的就是很多人聚集的時候，又引起大家互相的打招呼等等，我們是儘量以一個私人的行為，不妨礙現場，也遵照所有的申請程序來進行。 |
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0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:44.476000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:50.201000+08:00 |
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院長，其實你本身在東京巨蛋球場出現，我認為就是一個外交上面的突破了。 |
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0.903 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:50.781000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:52.081000+08:00 |
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只是突破了捷克的防線而已。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:54.122000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:57.843000+08:00 |
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如果沒有跟日本、日方有默契的話，你怎麼可能通過他的海關？ |
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0.96 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T10:38:57.843000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:39:16.510000+08:00 |
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我們這次是經過一個很平常的申請管道和手續，沒有特別拜託什麼樣的協助，真的是沒有拜託，但是我們內部有航班使用地點的申請，對方也有他內部的手續，但是我們沒有經過任何特殊的管道。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-10T10:39:16.950000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:39:22.558000+08:00 |
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所以你這個私人行程，第一個，我認為是臺日的默契。 |
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0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-10T10:39:22.738000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:39:44.585000+08:00 |
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第二個，你也不要讓中共方面有藉口、理由講臺灣又怎麼樣、日本又怎麼樣，我覺得這個方向是正確的，但是我沒有想到除了中國共產黨，為什麼連中國國民黨也這麼生氣，一直在糾結你的費用問題，這方面是不是再請院長答復一下？ |
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0.957 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-10T10:39:45.045000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:39:51.791000+08:00 |
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我就說我到日本看棒球比賽、為國家隊加油，還有我自費，哪一樣錯了？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-10T10:39:53.213000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:39:54.434000+08:00 |
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委員，我請教哪一樣錯了？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-10T10:39:55.735000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:39:57.677000+08:00 |
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因為我們現在總預算也還沒過嘛！對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-10T10:39:58.097000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:07.706000+08:00 |
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我剛剛說如果用公費的話，我今天在這裡是受到另外一種更直接的批評：預算沒有，你怎麼可以去？對啊！ |
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0.976 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-10T10:40:08.166000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:10.208000+08:00 |
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私人行程怎麼可以用公費？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-10T10:40:11.531000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:18.687000+08:00 |
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種種批評都會來，所以我一開始就設定是自費行程，如果委員有意見，我明天可以報公費，要不要？ |
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0.949 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-10T10:40:19.994000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:20.134000+08:00 |
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不行嘛！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:20.854000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:25.656000+08:00 |
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所以你也都有相關私人自費的所有收據、單據就對了？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-10T10:40:26.176000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-10T10:40:27.176000+08:00 |
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都在、都在。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:27.176000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:29.076000+08:00 |
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都在嘛。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:29.076000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:40.179000+08:00 |
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私人的支出不需要向大家來提出意見，但是不是私人的自費，去查一下行政院看我有沒有報一塊錢的公帳。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-10T10:40:42.460000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:46.462000+08:00 |
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因為我們立委也不可能去調出你飛去日本花多少錢？ |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-10T10:40:46.462000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-10T10:40:47.262000+08:00 |
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要多少單據？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-10T10:40:47.262000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:40:47.662000+08:00 |
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也不可能嘛！ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-10T10:40:48.343000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:41:07.712000+08:00 |
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既然院長已經說這個是私人自費的行程，我們就認為這部分在外交上面，我個人認為，我作為一個國會議員，當時我聽到並知道院長在現場的時候，我就覺得很棒，除了臺灣贏捷克之外，另外我認為是一個外交上非常大的突破。 |
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0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-10T10:41:10.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-10T10:41:19.508000+08:00 |
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問一下李洋部長，你當時也在現場，不過另外一個臺韓大戰，你也有過去看嘛？ |
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0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-10T10:41:22.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-10T10:41:22.214000+08:00 |
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臺灣對韓國。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
李部長洋 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-10T10:41:22.214000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:41:24.436000+08:00 |
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有，我當時也在現場。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-10T10:41:24.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-10T10:41:28.619000+08:00 |
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那時候你有做出一個特別的手勢，有特別象徵什麼樣的意義嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
李部長洋 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-10T10:41:28.619000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:41:45.792000+08:00 |
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因為過往我在當老師的時候，我們在全大運比賽時用了這個手勢，我們隊伍最後是取得了勝利，當時想仿效一下那時候的自己，很高興最後韓國隊擊出一個高飛球被接殺了。 |
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0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-10T10:41:46.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-10T10:41:50.033000+08:00 |
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所以你做那個手勢的時候，臺灣是領先，還是落後？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
李部長洋 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-10T10:41:51.634000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-10T10:41:53.514000+08:00 |
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有平手也有領先的時候。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-10T10:41:54.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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2026-03-10T10:41:58.676000+08:00 |
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因為那時候我們是有領先，有落後，再逆轉，這就是臺灣精神。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-10T10:41:59.636000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:42:29.183000+08:00 |
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我再請教一下院長，我看日本報導也都相當的正面，例如NHK說這是斷交後首度有現任的閣揆訪日，意義重大；朝日新聞說臺日沒有邦交，閣揆訪日「極其罕見」，還特別說閣揆是除了總統、副總統之外，第三號人物；日本時報也寫說日本政界無懼北京壓力，堅持深化臺日「準安全同盟」關係。 |
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0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-10T10:42:29.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-10T10:42:30.363000+08:00 |
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日本的報導都很正面啊！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-10T10:42:32.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-10T10:42:35.289000+08:00 |
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就只有國民黨跟共產黨兩個黨都不看開心啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-10T10:42:36.591000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-10T10:42:48.546000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員讓我看到這些日本的媒體，對日本媒體我沒有辦法去做任何評論，但就我而言，這純粹就是一天來回的私人活動，沒有任何其他的評論。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-10T10:42:49.467000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-10T10:43:10.747000+08:00 |
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好，因為我也在現場，隔天我也看到日本評論都相當的正面，我認為這個是臺日關係的提升，如果沒有臺日關係提升的話，我想現任的行政院院長要到日本東京巨蛋去看球，不是一件容易的事。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-10T10:43:12.048000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-10T10:43:17.055000+08:00 |
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你看國民黨糾結在你的費用，你說你有單據嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-10T10:43:17.235000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-10T10:43:33.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
共產黨也是，他們的副外長馬上致電他們的駐日大使表達不滿，還說你怎麼可以打擦邊球、搞突破，所以讓共產黨生氣就表示我們做對了，我的邏輯一向是如此。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-10T10:43:34.905000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:43:53.561000+08:00 |
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也不一定要故意惹他生氣，我們只做我們該做的事情，但是我看到他們官員公開的講話，有學者批評非常的粗俗、非常的低俗，如果我沒有辦法跟國內的國人跟委員來說明的話，我們如何去對抗中共呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-10T10:43:54.241000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:44:16.142000+08:00 |
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所以我覺得他再粗俗都沒有關係，但國內一定要了解這個行程就是我個人的行程，錢的問題不要在這裡這樣的在意、討論，我已經說明了，沒有一塊錢報公費，在整個一天的行程當中，就是一個很單純的看棒球行動。 |
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0.989 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-10T10:44:16.142000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-10T10:44:28.198000+08:00 |
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好，日本媒體這樣子報導，我認為對臺灣還有對您去日本東京巨蛋看球，其實都是相當的正面。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-10T10:44:29.838000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-10T10:45:09.598000+08:00 |
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我剛才就有講到臺灣的棒球能夠凝聚臺灣所有國民的意志，所以除了他們官方很不爽之外，連經典賽他們都要認知作戰，還說我們丟了一大堆垃圾等等之類的，後來日本媒體都已經說這是假訊息、這是認知作戰，所以這方面你就知道中國是非常不樂意看到臺灣在棒球上面有傑出的表現，因為我們每次有傑出的表現，臺灣所有的國民意志、生命共同體的展現，這是中國所不樂意看到的啦！ |
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0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-10T10:45:10.118000+08:00 |
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2026-03-10T10:45:37.695000+08:00 |
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這更是一個活生生的例子，一方面對我們的球迷做這樣的誣衊，但是卻用盡方法要把我們的球員帶到中國去打棒球，我覺得我們應該自己心裡要有個底氣，臺灣就是臺灣的英雄，就是臺灣的國人，這樣子來誣衊我們，卻要我們的人去那邊打棒球，這兩個天秤是永遠不對稱的，我們應該自我警惕。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-10T10:45:37.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-10T10:45:39.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
好，李洋部長先請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-10T10:45:39.755000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-10T10:46:02.597000+08:00 |
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我現在要講到的是，因為美國打伊朗這件事情大家都很關心，我剛才提到認知作戰，其實現在假訊息也出來了，經濟部龔部長請上臺，他們的認知作戰說3月15號馬上要斷氣了，斷氣之後就開始會斷電，這種假訊息馬上就出來了。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-10T10:46:03.978000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-10T10:46:27.085000+08:00 |
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這幾天我認為如果形勢還沒有穩定的話，類似的假訊息都會出來，經濟部也馬上有做了一個澄清跟說明，表示3月份12艘船已經完成調度了，然後4月份有10艘，其中8艘已經完成調度了，剩下兩艘哪時候可以完成？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-10T10:46:27.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-10T10:46:35.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我們儘快，因為我們過去幾天當中就已經調度十幾艘了，所以這兩艘應該會很快就可以調度。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-10T10:46:36.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-10T10:46:44.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
其實大家都會搶，因為日本、韓國他們也都是靠這邊的出口，所以這也要花一些時間調度。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-10T10:46:44.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-10T10:46:50.977000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
因為我們調度的對象主要是澳洲，澳洲跟我們關係很好…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-10T10:46:51.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-10T10:46:52.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
還有美國？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-10T10:46:52.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-10T10:46:53.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
還有美國，最主要是這兩個國家。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-10T10:46:52.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-10T10:46:53.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
澳洲三分之一嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-10T10:46:53.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-10T10:46:55.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
美國才百分之十幾，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-10T10:46:55.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-10T10:47:02.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我們調度船的部分、額外增加的部分，我們是額外跟他們做調度。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-10T10:47:03.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-10T10:47:11.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
我要提醒卓院長還有經濟部，類似這種假訊息馬上就會出來，當然經濟部有馬上澄清。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-10T10:47:12.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-10T10:47:13.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
昨天部長馬上也做清楚地說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-10T10:47:13.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-10T10:47:14.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
是、是、是。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-10T10:47:15.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-10T10:47:18.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
接下來我請財政部莊部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-10T10:47:20.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-10T10:47:39.855000+08:00 |
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當然這幾天臺股急漲又急跌，大家就會關心國安基金是不是可以召開臨時會，我看國安基金會觀察4個指標，一個是亞股的差距，一個是國際情勢，一個是油價，還有股匯市波動。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-10T10:47:40.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-10T10:47:53.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
其實國際情勢目前仍然不穩，油價也一直在高漲，股匯市這兩天其實波動的幅度還蠻大的，我請教一下部長，國安基金有可能會隨時召開臨時會嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-10T10:47:57.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-10T10:48:05.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
跟委員報告，我們會持續關注股市的動向，如果有符合國安基金設置條例第八條相關條件的話，我們會…… |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-10T10:48:06.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-10T10:48:10.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
對，我剛剛講到4個指標了，這也是你們次長講的4個指標啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-10T10:48:11.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-10T10:48:20.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
是，我們會召開臨時會，請國安基金委員來決議是否要進場護盤，這個部分我們會持續關注。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-10T10:48:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-10T10:48:22.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
院長還是要多注意一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-10T10:48:22.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-10T10:48:23.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
是的，我們會密切關注。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-10T10:48:24.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-10T10:48:29.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
我每天都很關注，即使假日，院內的會議都還持續在開。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-10T10:48:29.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-10T10:48:42.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
因為其實大家關心第一個是油價，當然也很關心股匯市的波動，我希望政府適時在必要的時候還是要出來信心喊話。是的。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-10T10:48:43.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-10T10:48:47.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
莊部長請回，接下來請國防部顧部長，時間有限。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-10T10:48:48.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:10.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
因為我們發價書到3月15號有3項到期，包括拖式飛彈、標槍飛彈及M109A7自走砲等，我請教一下部長，3月15號就是這個禮拜了，其實要看在野黨有沒有打假球，就是看這個禮拜授權書是不是可以讓你先簽。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:12.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:15.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
跟委員報告，事實上，我們第4項發價書也拿到了，就是海馬士。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:16.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:17.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
海馬士，我知道，到3月26號。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:17.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:22.673500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
對，到3月26號，所以就五項會列入特別預算的這些發價書，我們都希望能夠在預算通過之前先行授權。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:22.673500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:27.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
這個程序要怎麼做呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:27.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:32.282500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
因為是3月15號之前。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:32.282500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:37.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
過去的慣例是由外交及國防委員會同意授權，我們就可以了。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:37.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:43.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
所以如果召開……因為我們明天選召委，最快12號召開委員會，最快12號就可以授權給國防部來簽了，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.634 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:43.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:44.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
如果12號能夠召開會議，主題就是有關於授權我們來簽署這五項的發價書的話，這樣我們在條例還在審議的過程當中就可以先行簽署發價書，這也是告訴我們不能夠等到發價書來了，才進行特別條例的審議，也不可能等到發價書來，我們再進行預算審議，這個都要事前進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.018 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:44.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:45.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
OK，謝謝院長，謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-10T10:49:45.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-10T10:49:45.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
也請委員支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-10T10:50:16.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-10T10:50:16.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-10T10:50:16.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-10T10:50:17.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
也請韓院長能夠幫忙這件事情，非常重要，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.105 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-10T10:50:16.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-10T10:50:16.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
謝謝院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-10T10:50:16.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-10T10:50:20.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
謝謝李坤城委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-10T10:50:20.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-10T10:50:26.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
接下來我們請丁學忠委員質詢，劉書彬委員請準備。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |