| IVOD_ID |
167437 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167437 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T18:06:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T18:22:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/321e35c043cc325bf69f2c8d7315a57805351cf5c593b4e3245355700a790848fd79bbc0b0a3b3945ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
18:06:34 - 18:22:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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好 謝謝韓院長 麻煩邀請我們卓院長 鄭副院長麻煩再請卓院長 鄭副院長備詢好 大家辛苦了 除了今天一整天在這邊備詢之外也在這邊跟談判團隊說聲感謝這一年來你們非常的努力 為中華民國在努力但感謝歸感謝 我必須說這一次的談判成果 |
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我認為談判的並不好這一次我們的談判成果我們很明確的拿到了我們要的那個蘋果也就是剛剛我們一再口中說的我們15%不疊加或者說323的豁免等等的但是我們一直避談我們所付出的包括我們的內政被干涉包括我們未來對美國的一些投資這些都是我們用未來我們年輕人的工作的機會來換取現在國內的一個 |
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產業的一個安定這是一個交換我不敢說違定對或者是誰對這個可能需要歷史去見證但是我們目前有遇到一些美國關稅的法定判這個判決剛剛許多委員都有關心但是我認為剛剛我們行政院的一個回覆回答的並不明確因為我們知道在這個關稅違法之後許多的企業都跟美國申請關稅的一個要退回我們這個當初的一個違法的關稅對不對那剛剛說 |
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這個關稅很多是進口商繳的這是事實這是沒錯的但是我們今天要談的重點也是韓國他們的重點就是有很多是完稅交貨的這些進口的一些廠商我們要如何去協助他申請退稅這一點可不可以請我們講得更清楚一點 |
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想報告委員其實剛剛鍾嘉斌委員的質詢當中可以看到這次台美在232條款的談判裡面投資MOU我們談出來的並不是盧委員所說的所謂犧牲未來年輕人的機會而是我們的產業實力的延伸 |
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這個等一下我會再提我們先回答退稅的問題好嗎我很快的會跟您委員報告我們結合市場結合客戶來這個AI需求成長的過程當中台美在美國合作打造供應鏈這是產業實力的延伸 |
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我們也會持續擴大投資台灣所以是一個加法的發展不是減法的發展這一點請委員放心而且我們所談出來台灣模式其實不是日本韓國的政府出資模式是更有利於我們產業在為我們的產業在美國爭取更好的投資環境有今天聽一天了你可以回答我的問題了嗎我想今天這一點我們 |
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退稅 我們怎麼協助這些DDP嘛對不對 DDP的模式企業如何退稅因為他涉及美國國內的法律程序那經濟部會邀請相關的這個專家跟我們產業界來說明我想這個部分是不是我們可以說得更清楚一點嗎 |
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韓國很明確的就是指出他們要用國家隊要用團隊戰的方式來跟美國的政府提出訴訟或者是法律上的需求政府他不是當事人他沒有辦法當訴訟的主體但是他是背後的一個應援把所有的企業結合起來去跟美國的政府包括談判或者是官司的訴訟我們有辦法做到這一點嗎 |
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我們會應援但是我們的貿易模式基本上跟韓國不一樣韓國他是以大貿易商為主那我們大部分都是幫美國的一些企業做代工業或是他的進口商委託下單所以貿易的型態不太一樣那我直接問最簡單的一點韓國做得到的我們未來能不能做到 |
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如果說韓國外來有哪些具體協助企業退稅的方案我們是不是中華民國政府當作低標最起碼比照它來協助我們的企業可以做到嗎我們部長先說一下我們做的部分如果我們企業有這樣的需求的話我們當然會支持來做這樣的事情打團隊戰政府當後盾可能包括律師費用或是相關的一些行政程序上面的成本我們政府要來協助企業而不是讓企業問完我們他自己去單打獨鬥 |
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我的概念就是這樣而已可以嗎那個要看個案來看好啦好啦連自己的企業被收了違法的關稅的回答都這麼的模糊我是會比較擔心一點啦那你提出個案來我來協助啊 |
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每一個企業都是個案啊 每一個被縮水都是個案每一個DDP的企業都是個案啊剛剛鞏部長已經有說明了啦 因為根據我們產業的樣態跟美國的貿易的模式因為因應美國內部的國內的法律程序我們一定要針對我們的特性來提供專業的意見那經濟部正在做這樣的事情 |
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國家隊的方式來協助這些企業那剛剛談到了我們的ART那這一次美國的司法最高法院他是判決的一個精神是對外貿易的權利在於國會而不是單單的 |
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在focus關稅這一點上面沒錯所以說我們剛剛你們一再提及說我們現在的ART正在等美國確定他的法令基礎嘛對不對然後之後才會來重新送到我們的國會才會送到我們國會你們剛剛是這樣講嘛對不對 |
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那我們如何確認如果說美國說他又隱居了哪一個法令的基礎但是同樣沒有依照憲法沒有國會的授權我講得非常清楚美國最高聯邦法院的判決對美國對外貿易的權利來自於國會行政權是不能逾越的除非立法機構授予他的權利 |
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這點應該您比我還清楚那美國未來如果提出來的一個法令基礎沒有經過國會的授權我們會認賬嗎還是說你們會做怎樣的判斷其實這些判決文都公開委員其實可以更詳細看一下他美國高院的判決是判決說當時對等關稅川普總統援引IEPA的這個權利逾越他的權限對 失效所以他未來我不知道他會援引什麼法令對不對我們現在還不知道 |
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那你未來如何判斷川普已經有一次失敗的例子了那他下一次再提的你們要照案全說嗎還是你們要怎麼來判斷這是一個假設性的問題你假設川普政府會第二次引用一個錯誤 |
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一個法律工具我們不知道錯不錯誤我們不知道會不會錯誤但是我們必須要避免可能的風險嘛對不對我們不能簽了之後我們設廠投資了我們承諾都做到了最後這個ART最後又被美國法院判也不是我們在這裡去指導說 |
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所以我說我們未來在怎麼樣的去判斷美國剛剛你們一直在提及說我們在等美國重構他的法理基礎嘛對不對那當他提出他的法理基礎了我們要怎麼判斷他這個法理基礎他提了我們就認嗎還是你們會有你們的判斷他必須要說明他的依據是怎麼樣來符合現在雙邊談好的這個協議的內容他依據的法律的工具是什麼告訴我們 |
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法律的依據因為他現在公布122條款對副院長應該很清楚我在提什麼其實2月24號就生效了嘛10加MA分嘛那他對各國都課這個122條款下10加MA分他就生效了所以我們政府要做的當然是說在這個他122的過渡期這當中我們看他比原來20加MA降低了但我們仍然我們的這個支持方案仍然持續的支持我不是在跟您提細部的每一個關稅的內容我們會不會去評估這個法理基礎的合法性 |
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任何可能 我們當然都會去整體的關注跟評估我在第一時間新聞稿 記者會都說明了不管它援引什麼樣的法律工具我們都會去密切的關注所以你們會去判斷它援引的法律你們會去判斷 可能去找美國的專業的法律律師去判斷它是不是合理的嘛對不對當然我們也都是有相關的法律律師 我們的OTM辦公室都有但是我們仍然要因應嘛 |
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我只是要避免我們只是要避免我們簽的一個東西因為他已經有過一次被判決違法的經驗了我們要避免 |
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我們付出了之後這樣的事情再次發生所以我們在法律上面的一個判讀是非常重要的這也是我們後來我們行政院我們談判團隊後來必須之後要密切注意的一個地方其實報告委員我們的行政院記者會都把122、301然後201、338所有的法律的這個它原用的可能的法律工具它的程序性質法源都說明清楚了 |
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我想在我們當時的記者會都有說明我們也會密切關注但是我們不能只是關注嘛我們談判團隊要做就是不論他後續的法律工具如何安排我仍然必須要聯繫溝通確保我們取得的談判結果對 談判結果當然認不認同剛剛講的這個是我們認知上面的落差我沒有說你一定要接受我的觀念我也不一定要全部接受你的觀念他的法理基礎我覺得要確認他 |
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未來會被判決違法的一個風險我們是必須要先事先考慮的我只是提醒我們的行政團隊那第二個問題假設我們這個ART簽了對不對那在這次122的一個10加MFN的一個關稅這個制度下面我們大概有400項原本ART裡面被豁免的部分它是沒有被涵蓋在內對不對 |
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是這樣子嗎?對不對?工業部門是444項有些產業可能數字我沒有記得那麼清楚27項專屬的原來在ART裡面專屬27項沒有那如果說我們未來在談ART的時候我們勢必是要去爭取這一些項目是維持那這樣對你們來說就不是簽原本的ART了嘛對不對? |
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就是維持原來ART假設那我現在請教一個問題假設ART我假設一種情況ART現在我們簽署了生效了那美國他現在祭出122這個條款目前剛剛講的400多項的工業產品他會被課什麼樣的稅還假設假設現在生效他是適用ART還是適用10加MNF |
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你一直用假設那現在狀況是我原來圈的這個ART內容是沒有生效的現在是10加MFN我們要去預判情形嘛我們都已經公開說明了美國政府也對世界各國都說了122是一個階段性的措施現在我們要關注的是122之後到後續要接軌的法律工具 |
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所以我們在這個過渡的過程當中,未來他要走向什麼樣的法律架構假設這150天內,我們簽好了,他們提出法律的架構了、基礎了,我們立法院也同意了那他到時候會適用哪一邊的法律?哪一邊的條文?是適用ART還是適用10加MFN?就是那些剛剛提到的被排除在外的那些項目 |
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應該是一二二的階段性措施之後過渡他新的法律工具所以我們最終要確認是他後面的法律工具的安排所以他會先適用時加MNF嗎對不對給予我們的優惠待遇以及我們要鞏固我們談判的結果您不太願意講但是我的理解他應該是適用時加MNF是嗎 |
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10加MFN只是一個過渡一個過渡嘛就像委員禁忌的委員禁忌的在4月2號公布對等關稅我國是32嘛加上MFN嘛那當時美國也公布一個暫時性的10加MFN讓各國來談判嘛那這個10加MFN當時一直持續到7月我只是在提啊剛剛你們一再提ART這個架構裡面的內容你們認為不宜去調整的 |
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但是你不去調整如何去保護那一些當初沒有被涵蓋在內的那400多家的企業我覺得這是你們要去思考的你們希望涵蓋在內就代表你們按照原本的韓文他是沒有被涵蓋在內的嘛對不對 |
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400多項是在ART裡面是豁免的就是要滾過ART才能夠持續拿回400多項因為我剛剛問你ART生效的時候在150天之內的情況下ART生效的話它是適用哪一邊嘛 |
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我們希望維持R的內容啊所以是用R還是10加MNF那400多項10加MNF那個就已經是暫時性的那150天內嘛之後會過渡掉嘛那過渡掉我們就希望說最後面的他過渡不會為了中華民國過渡啊他一定是全球一起豁免啊或一起取消啊 |
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對不對報告委員 我再重更委員報告這個美國貿易代表已經說明了 格瑞爾大使已經說明了122是一個階段性的措施但150天內是122嘛 之後其他的嘛對不對所以我一直在問你一直在問你這五個月內的時間內嘛五個月後當然是用新的嘛對不對 我當然了解啊我是問你五個月內啊你都不敢 |
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就試用五個月內假設ART生效試用誰如果是時間不一定是五個月因為它是說極限是150天那這個是要美方政策的變動嘛所以我也請委員你可以密切關注一下美國政府的發言這個還有一點時間啦我們希望維持原來的R的 |
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那希望美國也要啟動他新的法律工具我們現在在等美國的回應嘛對不對我們現在在等美國的回應啦不要說我們都在批評還是什麼樣子的我剛一開始就先感謝你們的付出我們在討論怎樣為中華民國更好那其實在我們這四個LRT的文本裡面有一項啦其實國人普遍非常支持的其實美國也要求的那一項你知道是什麼嗎 |
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美國製造的車輛進口零關稅我覺得在等待這段期間你們一部分可以跟美國釋出善意一部分也滿足國內民眾對於購買自車零關稅的期待或許我們這一條可以先上路 您認為呢 |
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我們更要照顧到汽車相關產業所以我們是全盤在考量不是說關稅進來沒有買的人很誠意這樣就好那產業國內產業我們還要經濟部還要全力去維護這個產業的生存跟產業未來能夠繼續能夠在合理的你簽了之後也是要維護嘛對不對你先開放也是要維護嘛都是要維護啊 |
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是吧 簽了之後也是要維護嘛對不對因為你現在如果說同時成立同時生效以後是包括美國來的汽車零組件也是我認為在談判的過程中我們有一些對美方可能不太同意的部分我們希望說再正確 |
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好 謝謝廖先祥委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 政府院長 經濟部長備詢謝謝報告委員會本日排定質詢的委員均已經質詢完畢 |