| IVOD_ID |
167433 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167433 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T16:50:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T17:06:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:50:30 - 17:06:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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登记第17号的王定宇委员改书面提出请行政院书面答复并列入记录刊登公报在接下来登记第18号王洪威委员请咨询邱志伟委员请准备 |
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好 謝謝主席我請我們卓榮泰院長跟我們鄭麗君副院長麻煩再請卓院長 鄭副院長備選好 院長 副院長好黃委員好今天是元宵節所以也祝福我們現場 |
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包含我們的行政院院長、副院長還有我們各位首長還有我們立法院院長、秘書長還有我們所有同仁跟院裡面的同仁大家元宵節快樂謝謝委員那今天也是很臨時可能王定宇委員深陷他的情色風暴裡面所以我被通知臨時要提前來質詢這也很好 |
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所以但是我想在這邊我要做一個澄清因為我剛在下面聽的時候那麼卓院長一直在強調說我們今天質詢的很多位跨黨派的委員都很肯定我們這一次台美貿易談判包含我們ART的一個這樣子的一個談判的結果我覺得這個是有一些誤解跟扭曲 |
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因為事實上我們在這一次的談判事實上包含除了ART之外還有一個非常重要的是MOU嘛我們台美之間已經簽訂MOU而且更早簽訂而MOU |
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這個部分因為牽涉到高達5000億美元的投資所以我必須要說我們並不是對這次整個的談判的結果大家完全可以全盤接受的我覺得在這邊一定要做一些澄清尤其在這個MOU這個投資的部分5000億美元2500億的美元的直接投資 |
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還有是一個政府保證的部分 |
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對我們這麼龐大的投資金額並不是只有在野黨質疑事實上我們前行政院副院長施俊錡大家也知道他過去在蔡英文政府擔任非常重要的一個財經官員他就質疑這樣的一個談判的結果不但是把這個台灣的金金母拿走 |
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連未來可能衍生的雞雞蛋都拿走所以我必須要去提醒我們行政院針對這些應該還是要做全面性的來檢討跟補救那另外我想請教一下行政院我剛才講這次非常重要的除了ART之外ART的文本已經在行政院的官方網站公布了對不對 |
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公布了MOU重不重要因為這兩個一定是並行的而且未來如果送進立法院MOU會不會送進來一定送那我想請教為什麼MOU的文本沒有公布是美國不讓我們公布的嗎 |
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還是我們自己覺得可以不用公佈MOU的文本為何沒有公佈現在所有的人都可以在網站上每一條都非常清楚這個是公開透明是到現在才公開透明MOU已經早在一月份就簽署了為什麼到現在還沒有公佈可以回答嗎 |
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報告委員在1月15號跟商務部簽署MOU的時候其實商務部已經用Facesheet事實文件幾乎將所有的內容都公布了我方也用正式新聞稿新聞稿公布我們過去用新聞稿公布嗎當時我們也跟美方這個 |
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說明 也跟社會說明未來會跟ART並送國會對 既然並送國會ART的文本已經逐條公佈但是MOU卻沒有逐條公佈老師說剛才院長沒有辦法回答我們副院長講得結結巴巴我希望現在不要再有黑箱作業絕對沒有黑箱MOU請 可不可以 那你現在可不可以承諾 |
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明天就把MOU的每一條筆照ART每一條逐條公佈可不可以我們一定是MOU跟ART會並送國會我現在是問你公佈公佈嘛你到現在還不公佈 |
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內部的行政程序當時我們也說明會跟ART並送國會所以我想這一點的承諾包含ART 包含MOU 包含影響評估我們都會並送國會為什麼不公布到目前為止你還在繞副院長我不懂為什麼是因為怕醜嗎 |
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他公布出來會遭到一些質疑嗎好那我再想請問一下來請問副院長我們在台灣的部分要送國會嘛對不對那在美國的部分如果要最後生效的話要不要送美國國會 |
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他們以行政命令當時AEPA的行政命令他們是不需要送國會不需要送國會嗎過去通通都要只要牽涉到關稅相關的台灣都要送國會他們會通知當時以AEPA的法源好我再請 |
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請問一下他們會通知國會通知國會但是跟我國不一樣所以我們在第一次的談判就跟美方說我國的國會程序是法律保護我再請教一下因為所謂的生效跟美國是不一樣的所謂的生效要有它的程序請問一下USTR現在有上傳聯邦公告嗎 |
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因為就是我們在美國高院判決後因為美國最高法院判決違法所以呢現在USD1現在應該不敢去上傳聯邦公告好我現在問一個很重要的問題來來因為我時間有限來我要問一個很重要的問題 |
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我們擔心因為美國最高法院的一個判決而使得他整個的程序被拖延事實上從副院長上個星期開完記者會到今天你的專案報告事實上我們去比對了之後沒有什麼差別這一個禮拜幾乎沒有差別 |
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按照院長今天早上回答其實我翻成白話文就是呢我們等消息好我們等美國的消息好所以如果這樣子一個遙遙無期因為最主要是那個根據IEPA的部分已經被判決違法那麼未來有沒有可能如果按照副院長院長說啊這個MOU簽的多好多好我們不能跟動可是 |
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案長因為他現在有法律效力的問題他未來有沒有可能需要重簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
479.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
508.003 |
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這個我們現在要等美方沒有 您可能要請副院長講一下我們已經表達就是我們並不是重新談判而是在要後續的IEPA的法律基礎IEPA的法律基礎變動之後等美方它後續的法律框架安排之後我想這些訊息所以有沒有可能重簽我們雙方都希望鞏固既有的談判結果所以不排除以後續的程序我們必須要有美方更明確的資訊所以不排除重簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
508.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
508.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
重啟談判跟重簽不一樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
527.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
530.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
不是 我們是希望確認 確認雙方已經談判的內容那確保我們這個成果 也確認美方對這個談判的內容給我們具體的說明你沒有聽懂我的意思喔 我講得非常清楚我們其實要讓我們現在的ART或MOU要變成有效 而且可以送進立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
547.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
571.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
老實說啦 以我現在來看只有重簽一途我不是說重新談判重新談判跟重簽不一樣副院長應該聽懂了院長你們回去討論一下其實如果今天然後說我現在覺得我們在國會上應該可能遙遙無期不知道什麼時候送來好 那我要請教的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
572.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
592.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
剛才賴思寶委員也問到就是因為你看到現在不管是這個要確定他的法律效力或者他未來的程序即便122條他的有效的期限150天150天5個月那我想請問一下副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
594.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
613.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
因為現在政界、政壇一直在盛傳你是台北市長的熱門候選人的熱門人選但是現在看起來整個的談判整個的未來整個的我們的ART跟MOU |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
614.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
631.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
他的時間或者是未來我們的關稅我剛講一二條他長達五個月如果再啟動232條款的調查301條款的調查起碼半年以上好我要請問一下副院長在這些都沒有抵定之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
632.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
651.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
你會不會離開行政院副院長這是很重要工作嘛你會不會去選舉報告委員我想我現在一心就是希望說在美方後續的法律變動中要為我國國家利益跟產業利益爭取確保最大利益這是我現在唯一心中關切的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
652.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
673.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
所以我現在生活的關鍵字就是關稅兩個字沒有其他的就是關稅兩個字我想這裡是每個委員提醒我們應該要努力的目標這是我現在職責身為國家談判代表我最優先要做的事情就是在後續的變動中為我國家及產業爭取最大利益所以整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
677.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
680.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
所以我們會把談判的事情用整個國家用政府的力量把談判的事情做好所以我才問我們都是在變數中挑戰爭取到結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
704.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
707.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我心中沒有這個問題啊為什麼我要回答這個問題我現在心中的目標就是要鞏固 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
725.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
743.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
副院長是率領我們的談判團隊 談判團隊的代表之一那國家會用政府的力量把所有談判的事情做到最好保障國家跟產業最大的利益選舉的事情那是另外一回事委員應該是關心的還是關稅吧我當然關心關稅啊我剛才不是在講嗎對不對應該討論關稅而不是討論選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
748.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
776.95 |
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對啊 可是很重要啊因為你今天如果不是主談判人我就不會問你這個問題我有沒有問左院長這個問題我沒有問左院長這個問題啊他也是那個人選之一好 我們回到這個有關於我們這個台北對等關稅上面我今天特別想說我們台灣半島底不是偷來的我覺得這一點非常非常重要不是 絕對不是真的太重要了今天啊今天我看到聯合報有一個投書 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
778.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
789.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
也許大家沒有看到叫做王博元如果台灣科技界跟半導體界都知道他是響噹噹的人物他還是我們工研院的院士 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
790.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
814.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
就是幾十年來半導體產業很多人從李國鼎先生開始引進人才 引進關鍵產業我們是一點一滴的把我們台灣半導體產業直視界的牛耳但是現在美國總統川普總統他一而再再而三的說我們是金面小偷 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
814.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
835.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
所以我們偷走了美國的晶片所以我們台灣的半導體是偷來的我覺得適可忍 屬不可忍今天王伯源的意思就是他覺得這個事情是絕對不能讓它成為全世界大家誤以為台灣半導體業是偷來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
837.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
849.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
我知道剛才我有看到賴思寶委員請兩位聲明就是我們不是晶片小偷我知道你們也有做這個聲明所以院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
850.973 |
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867.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
即便是貴為川普總統但是他一而再再而三的講出假訊息污蔑台灣半導體業我們該抗議的時候是不是該抗議我們該證明的時候是不是該證明具體的事實是現在全世界各國都會向台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
869.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
888.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
採購他們所需要的半導體晶片如果我們這個途徑是不合法的我想我們沒有世界上這樣的地位也不可能有這樣的競爭力我們是從過去您所說的那幾位重要的人士一點一滴到現在產業的自主研發才有現在的先進製程這麼好的良率 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
888.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
915.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
所以您這個話我們都數次跟美方表達台灣的半導體是數十年來台灣能努力至今的成果所以我才會說這次談判我的感受就是世界看好台灣 需要台灣沒有錯 所以絕對川普總統的假訊息我們真的要蓋成心 一定要澄清另外 因為我剩下一點點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
917.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
932.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
這個有關於因為之前一直在講包含賴總統都說希望國會趕快審就是我們立法院趕快審但是我們審什麼呢因為到現在沒有進來根本連送都沒有送進來另外全世界我也去查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
933.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
947.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
其實世界各國除了像日本它的審查是比較快的但是包含歐盟歐盟還在審歐盟現在是暫停審查因為他也是說我也不曉得現在到底是怎麼樣韓國也還在審好 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
956.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
977.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
所以更多省的不一樣,不過我們的目標是成功的我們打開公聽會,一定要開公聽會,好不好一定要開公聽會,APPA開一千場公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
981.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
988.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
好 謝謝王宏威委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 鄭副院長的備詢 謝謝我們接下來邱志偉委員的資訊 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-03-03T16:50:54.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-03-03T16:50:54.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-03-03T16:50:56.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-03-03T16:50:59.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請卓榮泰院長跟鄭麗君副院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-03T16:50:59.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-03T16:51:00.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
麻煩再請卓院長跟副院長備詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-03T16:51:00.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-03T16:51:00.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
院長、副院長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-03T16:51:00.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-03T16:51:00.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
王委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-03T16:51:00.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-03T16:51:34.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
今天是元宵節，所以也祝福現場包含行政院院長、副院長，還有各位首長，還有我們立法院院長、秘書長，還有所有同仁跟院裡面的同仁，大家元宵節快樂。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-03T16:51:34.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-03T16:51:35.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
謝謝委員，大家快樂。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-03T16:51:35.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-03T16:51:36.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-03T16:51:36.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-03T16:51:45.128000+08:00 |
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今天也是很臨時，可能王定宇委員身陷他的情色風暴裡面，所以我被通知臨時要提前來質詢，這也很好。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-03T16:51:49.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-03T16:51:54.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
但是在這邊我要做一個澄清，因為我剛在下面聽的時候，卓院長一直在強調說，今天質詢的很多位跨黨派的委員都很肯定這一次臺美貿易談判，包含ART的談判結果。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-03T16:51:54.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-03T16:53:07.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我覺得這個是有一些誤解跟扭曲，因為事實上我們在這一次的談判，除了ART之外，還有包含一個非常重要的是MOU，我們臺美之間已經簽訂MOU，而且是更早簽訂，而MOU這個部分因為牽涉到高達5,000億美元的投資，所以我必須要說，對這一次整個的談判結果大家並不是完全可以全盤接受，我覺得在這邊一定要做一些澄清，尤其在MOU投資的部分，5,000億美元中包含2,500億美元的直接投資，還有政府保證的部分，對這麼龐大的投資金額並不是只有在野黨質疑。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-03T16:53:08.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-03T16:53:32.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
事實上，前行政院副院長施俊吉，大家也知道，他過去是在蔡英文政府擔任非常重要的財經官員，他就質疑這樣的一個談判結果不但是把臺灣的金雞母拿走，連未來可能衍生的金雞蛋都拿走。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-03T16:53:32.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-03T16:53:43.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
所以我必須要提醒行政院，針對這些應該還是要做全面性的檢討跟補救。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-03T16:53:44.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-03T16:53:57.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
另外，我想請教一下行政院，我剛才講這次非常重要的，除了ART之外，ART的文本已經在行政院的官方網站公布了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-03T16:53:58.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-03T16:53:58.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
公布了。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-03T16:53:59.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:01.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
MOU重不重要？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:02.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:10.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
因為這兩個一定是並行的，而且未來如果送進立法院，MOU會不會送進來？併送。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:10.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:11.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
一定送。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:12.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:15.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
那我想請教，為什麼MOU的文本沒有公布？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:15.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:15.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
是美國不讓我們公布嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:20.666000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:22.627000+08:00 |
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還是我們自己覺得可以不用公布？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:22.867000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:26.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
MOU的文本為何沒有公布？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:28.350000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:41.876000+08:00 |
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ART現在所有的人都可以在網站上看到，每一條都非常清楚，這個是公開透明，是到現在才公開透明，而MOU早在1月份就已經簽署了，為什麼到現在還沒有公布？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.866 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:41.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:42.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
可以回答嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:46.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:56.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
報告委員，在1月15號跟商務部簽署MOU的時候，其實商務部已經用fact sheet（事實文件）幾乎將所有的內容都公布了，我方也用正式的新聞稿說明所有內容，我也…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.843 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:57.097000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:58.118000+08:00 |
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新聞稿公布？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:58.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-03T16:54:59.739000+08:00 |
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我們過去是用新聞稿公布嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-03T16:54:59.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:11.264000+08:00 |
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當時我們也跟美方說明，也跟社會說明，未來會跟ART併送國會，因為當時是對等跟232併談…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.703 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:11.264000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:21.047000+08:00 |
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對，既然併送國會，ART的文本已經逐條公布了，但是MOU卻沒有逐條公布，老實說，剛才院長沒有辦法回答…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:21.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:22.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
會一起送到立法院。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:22.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:29.829000+08:00 |
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副院長講得結結巴巴，我希望現在不要再有黑箱作業！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:29.829000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:30.249000+08:00 |
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我們絕對沒有黑箱。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:32.390000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:33.090000+08:00 |
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那你現在可不可以承諾…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:33.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:34.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
絕對沒有黑箱，一定是併送國會。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:34.190000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:35.951000+08:00 |
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明天就把MOU的每一條比照ART逐條公布，可不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:35.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:37.132000+08:00 |
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我們一定是MOU、ART會併送國會，我們當時也有跟商務部…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.577 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:37.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:37.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我現在是問你公不公布嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:37.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-03T16:55:37.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
你到現在還不公布！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-03T16:55:51.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:02.169000+08:00 |
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商務部有其內部的行政程序，當時我們也說明會跟ART併送國會，所以我想這一點的承諾，包含ART、包含MOU、包含影響評估，我們都會併送國會。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:02.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:02.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
為什麼不公布？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:02.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:03.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
其實MOU的內容在美方的fact sheet裡面大概都已經載明了。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:02.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:03.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
好，到目前為止你還在繞！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:04.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:04.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我不懂為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:04.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:05.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
是因為怕醜嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:11.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:15.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
它公布出來會招到一些質疑嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:15.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:16.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
沒有，裡面的資訊幾乎都已經說明了，裡面的資訊在美方的fact sheet裡面都說明了。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:15.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:23.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我再請問副院長，我們在臺灣的部分要送國會嘛，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:24.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:28.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
在美國的部分，如果要最後生效的話，要不要送美國國會？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:29.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:35.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
他們會以行政命令，像當時IEEPA的行政命令他們是不需要送國會。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:35.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:35.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
不需要送國會嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:35.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:36.951000+08:00 |
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過去統統都要，只要牽涉到關稅相關的，它進來臺灣都要送國會。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:36.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-03T16:56:55.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
但是他們會通知，當時以IEEPA的法源是行政命令，他們會通知國會，他們有通知國會的程序，但是跟我國不一樣，所以我們在第一次的談判就跟美方說，我國的國會程序是法律保留條款，所以我們依法要經國會審議後才生效，跟美國是不一樣的。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-03T16:56:55.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-03T16:57:07.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
好，我再請教一下，因為所謂的生效要有它的程序，請問USTR現在有上傳聯邦公告嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-03T16:57:08.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-03T16:57:12.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
因為在美國高院判決過後，我們跟美方聯繫…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-03T16:57:12.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-03T16:57:22.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
對，因為美國最高法院判決違法，所以現在USTR應該不敢上傳聯邦公告。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-03T16:57:22.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-03T16:57:24.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我現在問一個很重要的問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-03T16:57:24.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-03T16:57:25.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
美方需要……美方表達…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-03T16:57:24.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-03T16:57:50.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
因為我時間有限，我要問一個很重要的問題，我們擔心會因為美國最高法院的一個判決而使得整個程序被拖延，事實上從副院長上個星期開完記者會到今天你的專案報告，我們去比對了之後，發現沒有什麼差別，這個禮拜幾乎沒有差別！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-03T16:57:51.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-03T16:57:58.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
按照院長今天早上回答的，我翻成白話文就是，我們等美國的消息。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-03T16:57:59.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:26.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
所以如果這樣一個遙遙無期……最主要是根據IEEPA的部分已經被判決違法，如果按照副院長、院長說的，這個ART、MOU簽得多好、多好，我們不能更動，可是因為它現在有法律效力的問題，它未來有沒有可能需要重簽？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.901 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:29.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:30.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
這個我們現在要等美方…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:30.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:31.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我們並不主張重簽。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:31.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:32.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
這個可能要請副院長講。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:33.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:39.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我們已經表達我們並不是重新談判，而是在它後續IEEPA的法律基礎…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:39.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:40.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我是說重簽，你應該聽懂我的意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:39.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:47.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
在IEEPA的法律基礎變動之後，等美方後續的法律框架安排之後，我想這一些訊息會更明確化。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.805 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:47.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:49.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
所以有沒有可能重簽？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:49.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:52.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我們雙方都希望鞏固既有的談判結果。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:52.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:53.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
所以不排除？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:53.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:57.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
至於後續的程序，我們必須要有美方更明確的資訊後才能跟社會來報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.633 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:57.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:58.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
所以不排除重簽，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:58.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:59.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
好，所以我現在要講的就是，你看！因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:59.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-03T16:59:00.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
我們並沒有這樣回答，這是委員您所說的，我剛剛沒有……我是說要…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:58.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-03T16:58:58.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我們並沒有要重啟談判或重簽。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.308 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-03T16:58:58.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-03T16:59:03.360500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
沒有要重啟談判，我們要確定美方後續的法律基礎的安排…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-03T16:59:03.360500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-03T16:59:07.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
副院長，你不要浪費我的時間，我要講的是，重啟談判和重簽不一樣嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.214 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-03T16:59:07.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-03T16:59:12.515500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
一樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-03T16:59:12.515500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-03T16:59:17.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
不一樣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-03T16:59:17.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-03T16:59:18.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
不是，我們是希望確認雙方已經談判的內容，確保我們這個成果，也確認美方對這個談判內容給我們具體的說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-03T16:59:18.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-03T16:59:47.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
院長，你沒有聽懂我的意思，我講得非常清楚，其實要讓我們現在的ART或MOU變成有效而且可以送進立法院，老實說，以我現在來看，只有重簽一途，我不是說重新談判，重新談判跟重簽不一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-03T16:59:47.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-03T16:59:53.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
副院長應該聽懂了，院長，你們回去討論一下，其實如果今天…… |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-03T16:59:54.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-03T16:59:59.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
老實說，我現在覺得我們在國會可能遙遙無期，不知道什麼時候送來。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-03T16:59:59.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-03T17:00:19.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
好，那我要請教的是，剛才賴士葆委員也問到，因為現在不管是要確定它的法律效力或者未來的程序，即便122條的有效期限是150天、5個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-03T17:00:20.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-03T17:00:55.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
我想請問一下副院長，因為現在政界、政壇一直盛傳你是臺北市長候選人的熱門人選，但是現在看起來整個談判ART跟MOU的時間或者未來的關稅，我剛剛講122條長達五個月，如果再啟動232條款的調查、301條款的調查，起碼半年以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.989 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-03T17:00:56.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:06.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我要請問一下副院長，在這些都沒有底定之前，你會不會離開行政院副院長的位置？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:06.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:09.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
這是很重要的工作，你會不會去選舉？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:10.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:23.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
我現在一心希望在美方後續的法律變動中要為我國國家利益跟產業利益爭取、確保最大利益，這是我現在心中唯一關切的事情，所以我現在生活的關鍵字…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:23.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:24.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
我可不可以理解成…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:24.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:26.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
日日夜夜就是「關稅」兩個字，沒有其他的。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:26.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:27.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
所以就關稅為主。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:27.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:29.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
就是「關稅」兩個字。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:29.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:30.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:29.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:42.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
我想這也是每個委員提醒我們應該要努力的目標，這是我現在的職責，身為國家談判代表，我最優先要做的事情就是在後續的變動中為我國國家及產業爭取最大利益。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:43.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:43.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
好，理解，所以整個…… |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:43.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:44.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
委員，你不必擔心，我們會把談判的工作做好。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:44.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:45.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
我的意思是整個…… |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:45.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:46.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
但是我聽起來委員好像很怕副院長去選舉的感覺。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:46.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:47.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
沒有、沒有，不是。沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:47.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:48.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
沒有就好。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:48.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:49.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
沒有，不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:49.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:50.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
因為我們今天就在談臺美關稅，因為現在充滿很多的變數，承認吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:50.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:51.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
我沒有講錯吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:51.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:52.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
承認有很多的變數跟未知數…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:47.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:48.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
所以我們會把談判的事情用整個國家、政府的力量…… |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:48.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:49.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
理解吧？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:48.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:48.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
把談判的事情做好。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:48.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-03T17:01:49.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
所以我才問…… |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-03T17:01:49.580000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:01:50.701000+08:00 |
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過去10個月我們都是在變數中不怕挑戰、爭取到結果…… |
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0.714 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:01:50.701000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T17:01:58.511667+08:00 |
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對，我知道。 |
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0 |
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鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T17:01:58.511667+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:06.322333+08:00 |
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後續我們會繼續用這樣的態度、方式來面對。 |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:06.322333+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:14.133000+08:00 |
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我剛才的理解，副院長的意思是會把整個臺美對等關稅的談判，包含貿易協定、MOU，全部底定之後，你才會有其他的打算，是這個意思嘛？ |
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0 |
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鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:14.133000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:16.035000+08:00 |
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我心中沒有這個問題，為什麼我要回答這個問題？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:16.035000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:17.536000+08:00 |
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我現在心中的目標就是要鞏固我國爭取到的談判結果。 |
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0.565 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:35.916000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:39.879000+08:00 |
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副院長是率領我們的談判團隊，是談判團隊的代表之一。 |
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0.957 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:40.799000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:48.104000+08:00 |
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國家會用政府的力量把所有談判的事情做到最好，保障國家跟產業最大的利益。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:48.224000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:49.665000+08:00 |
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至於選舉的事情，那是另外一回事。 |
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0.857 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:49.665000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:50.946000+08:00 |
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好，我沒有問…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:50.946000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:51.526000+08:00 |
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委員應該最關心的還是關稅吧？ |
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0.923 |
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鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:51.526000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:52.526000+08:00 |
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我想委員身為…… |
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0.167 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:51.827000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:52.007000+08:00 |
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我當然是關心關稅。 |
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0.75 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:52.067000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:52.707000+08:00 |
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我剛才不是講嗎？ |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:52.707000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:52.927000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:52.927000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:53.168000+08:00 |
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所以我們應該討論關稅，而不是討論選舉。 |
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0.765 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:58.391000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:02:59.932000+08:00 |
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對，可是很重要啊！ |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:00.913000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:05.496000+08:00 |
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如果你今天不是主談判人，我就不會問你這個問題，我有沒有問卓院長這個問題？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:05.496000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:09.058000+08:00 |
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我沒有問卓院長這個問題，他也是人選之一。 |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:09.218000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:21.106000+08:00 |
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好，我們回到臺美對等關稅，我今天特別想說，臺灣的半導體不是偷來的，我覺得這一點非常、非常重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:21.206000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:21.547000+08:00 |
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不是，絕對不是！ |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:22.107000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:22.847000+08:00 |
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真的太重要了！ |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:23.688000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:39.513000+08:00 |
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今天我看到聯合報有一篇投書，也許大家沒有看到，投書者叫做王伯元，臺灣科技界跟半導體界都知道他是響噹噹的人物，他還是工研院的院士。 |
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0.915 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:03:42.083000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:04:13.438000+08:00 |
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幾十年來，半導體產業從李國鼎先生開始引進人才、引進關鍵產業，我們是一點一滴的把臺灣半導體產業執世界的牛耳，但是現在美國總統川普一而再、再而三的說我們是晶片小偷，說我們偷走了美國的晶片，說臺灣的半導體是偷來的，我覺得是可忍，孰不可忍！ |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:04:13.918000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:04:25.225000+08:00 |
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今天王伯元的意思就是，他覺得絕對不能讓全世界誤以為臺灣半導體業是偷來的。 |
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0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:04:28.166000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:04:36.530000+08:00 |
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剛才我有看到賴士葆委員請兩位聲明我們不是晶片小偷，我知道你們也有聲明。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-03-03T17:04:39.112000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:04:52.087000+08:00 |
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院長，即便是貴為川普總統，但是他一而再、再而三的講出假訊息，汙衊臺灣半導體業，我們該抗議的時候是不是該抗議？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-03-03T17:04:52.087000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:04:53.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
我們該正名的時候是不是該正名？ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T17:04:54.550000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:17.991000+08:00 |
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具體的事實是現在全世界各國都會向臺灣採購他們所需要的半導體晶片，如果我們這個途徑是不合法的，我想我們沒有世界上這樣的地位，也不可能有這樣的競爭力，我們是從過去您所說的那幾位重要人士一點一滴到現在產業的自主研發，才有現在的先進製程這麼好的良率，這是我們自己的能量。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:18.471000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:20.532000+08:00 |
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所以您這個話不只是對…… |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:20.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:24.394000+08:00 |
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所以我們絕對是合法的…… |
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0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-03-03T17:05:24.394000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:29.476000+08:00 |
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委員，我們數次都跟美方表達，臺灣的半導體是數十年來臺灣人努力致今的成果。 |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:29.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:30.476000+08:00 |
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對，所以我們絕對不是晶片小偷。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:30.257000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:36.800000+08:00 |
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所以我才會說，這次談判中我的感受就是世界看好臺灣、需要臺灣，這是我們的成就…… |
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0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-03-03T17:05:36.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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2026-03-03T17:05:39.481000+08:00 |
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沒有錯，所以絕對…… |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:39.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:40.481000+08:00 |
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也是我們的自信。 |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-03-03T17:05:39.481000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:43.002000+08:00 |
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針對川普總統的假訊息，我們真的是該澄清的一定要澄清。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-03-03T17:05:43.643000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:05:56.642000+08:00 |
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另外，我剩下一點點時間，有關於之前一直在講，包含賴總統說希望國會趕快審，就是我們立法院趕快審，但是我們審什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-03-03T17:05:56.782000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T17:06:00.106000+08:00 |
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因為到現在沒有進來，根本連送都沒有送進來。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:00.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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2026-03-03T17:06:17.635000+08:00 |
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另外，全世界我也去查了，其實各國除了像日本它的審查是比較快的，但是包含歐盟，歐盟還在審，歐盟現在是暫停審查，因為它也是說不曉得現在到底是怎麼樣，韓國也還在審。 |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:17.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:22.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
好，那我要講的是…… |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:22.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:27.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
委員，他們審的標的是不一樣的，他們有的是審關稅減讓，有的是審投資的法源，所以各國審的不一樣，不過我們的目標是很清楚的。 |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.283 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-03-03T17:06:27.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:32.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
我趕快偷渡一下，因為我沒想到時間到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.059 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:32.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:37.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
還是謝謝委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:37.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:40.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
另外一個就是，我們該開公聽會的一定要開公聽會，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:40.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:41.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
都跟產業座談，隨時都有…… |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:41.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:43.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
一定要開公聽會。 |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:43.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:44.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
一定的、一定會…… |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:44.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:45.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
都加快…… |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:44.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:47.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
ECFA開1,000場公聽會。 |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:47.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:48.524333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
我們已經舉辦了非常多場的座談。 |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:48.524333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:49.822667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:49.822667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:51.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
謝謝委員支持，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:51.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:56.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
好，謝謝王鴻薇委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、鄭副院長備詢，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:56.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-03-03T17:06:58.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
接下來邱志偉委員質詢結束之後，我們將會休息10分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.364 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-03-03T17:06:58.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-03-03T17:07:01.739143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
我們請邱志偉委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0 |