| IVOD_ID |
167431 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167431 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T16:18:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T16:34:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:18:41 - 16:34:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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好我們接下來請李坤辰委員請諮詢徐宇峥委員請準備好謝謝主席我們請我們卓院長還有鄭副院長麻煩再請卓院長鄭副院長備詢 |
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李委員好院長好 副院長好那今天是元宵節先祝福我們所有行政團隊元宵佳節愉快大家平安能夠團圓 |
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這個今天就教就是說講關稅的問題那不過我還除了關稅之外我還想講軍購也會提到說這個能源的問題這個鞏固台灣安全的三大關鍵基石第一個經濟的防線就是台美貿易跟關稅第二個國防的防線就是國家安全就包含軍購在內第三個是能源的防線是中東戰火下的供應鏈我先來請教一下這個我們院長 |
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那因為本來我們跟美國都談得很好了我們的這個ART我們15%不疊加然後有最惠國的待遇2072項我們豁免關稅然後MOU談得很好包含這個我們這個高科技的產品我們自動的產品半導體我們有最惠國的待遇但是因為現在美國的大法官判定了 |
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這個IEPA說它違憲那違憲呢但是呢這個他們行政部門工具箱裡面工具很多他馬上拿出來這個122條款那122條款目前是10%再疊加MFM那未來有可能到15% |
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我想請問一下現在也很多立委都很關心現在我們本來談定的ART跟MOU其實都比未來10%或15%加上疊加關稅都還要好 |
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但是我們也希望說未來在這段期間裡面我們的行政院的這個談判團隊持續再跟美方來做談判就是我們已經談好的這個ART跟MOU是不是能夠持續有效因為我想這對台灣來講各行各業百工百業都是最好的所以我請教一下院長那副院長可以再補充第一個我們需要多久時間來跟美方來確認 |
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我們所談好的這個ART跟MOU一樣有效其實這個談判團隊跟美方在 |
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美國最高法院判決之後到現在已經取得了密切的聯繫證明這種聯繫是持續在進行當中的那副院長也在這種聯繫當中持續一再的要求美方盡快能夠確認到雙方已經談定的這個協議內容要繼續有效但美方調整在國內的法律工具之後他必須出去一個讓我們可以注意證明繼續有效的一個很清楚的說法 |
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我們才能跟國會提出來那這樣的過程現在還在進行當中 |
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那會不會因為說這個IEPA無效之後影響到說我們已經談定的這個二三二絕對沒有影響我說這個我們的ART會不會受到影響ART現在有一些影響就是我們有一些不要說關稅15不疊加變成10疊加這個雖然數字降低了可是我們跟我們競爭國家之間的微妙變化是存在的另外有一些部分是他全球豁免本來單對 |
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單對我們豁免現在全球豁免我們的優勢也被吃掉了一些部分另外一部分是對我們有豁免的部分他現在取消了變成沒有部分變成10加MFN那這個部分如果調整到原來的ART內容的話我們就回到原來最有競爭力的模式裡面 |
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那有機會繼續維持住這個談判的成果嗎確認這個事情我們跟委員報告第一個232取得優惠不受影響不受影響那第二我們原來談到的ART的談判成果我們希望鞏固那所以我們跟美方聯繫的過程當中美方也告訴我們其實122是過渡性的這個措施那我們當然知道產業面對122現在時價還沒分未來會不會變動的確有不確定感我們是感同身受 |
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但是我們的確會在這個過渡措施過程當中跟美方緊密保持聯繫那未來要真正面對的是後續美方替代性的法律工具不論是301或其他的法律工具之下他取代原來的AEPA的這個法源基礎但是雙方我們仍然期待維繫ART的一個談判成果我想這是雙方的態度 |
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美方政府其實也對公開說明說他們現在會在未來他們既有的貿易法的基礎下實現跟各國的協議內容這是他最新的發言這是我們的優勢因為我們已經談好了我們已經談好ART譬如說2072項的豁免譬如說我們本來15不疊加我們所謂很重要不疊加是取得跟FTA國 |
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立足點相同的公平競爭也就是相對優勢的一個最佳待遇我們希望未來美方一二二之後過渡新的法律工具下依然給我們具相對優勢的最佳待遇這就是我溝通的目標所以我們正在緊密溝通中那美方目前為止釋放出來的訊息您覺得怎麼樣有沒有朝我們想要的目標來前進 |
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我想我這邊能夠說我身為台灣的台辦代表我全力以赴我也有信心來鞏固我們的台辦成果那現在就是說是不是要等美方那邊確定之後我們的這個不管是ART或是MOU再一起送到立法院來做審議 |
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是我想應該我們必須要跟美方進一步確認我們的關稅優惠待遇之後明確化之後我們就會進一步將這個ART以及MOU還有影響評估就是要等待跟美方在談完之後做完一些調整之後再送來嘛對不對因為他們這個關稅優惠的法律基礎發生了變化嘛所以他們也正在建立這個替代性的法律工具所以我們要進一步跟他確定這個未來的這個法律框架的安排 |
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以及我們當然是要確保我們取得的談判成果那所以就是說之前已經談妥的因為現在他們的法律依據已經有變化了只是根據法律依據的做變化我是個人推估他們後續的一二過渡之後後續的法律工具應該某種程度應該要反映原來的談判成果那至於沒有達成協議的國家他們可能後面後續面對301調查可能會面臨相對比較大的風險 |
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就是說我們的變數應該會比較小對 我們是一個有利基礎我們已經談定了所以我們變數應該會比較小但是要送來立法院審議的也是要跟美國新的在談判之後或是說內容在做調整之後聯繫溝通然後美方會建立替代性的法律依據那明確化之後我們就會送大院來審議所以這個不是重新談判不是重新談判 |
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這不是重新談判就是說我們就內容再去跟他們做確認我們取得的是上一階段談判取得是我們認為相對優勢的最佳待遇所以我們並不是所謂重新談判而是要在聯繫溝通中去確保我們取得的談判成果 |
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459.99 |
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那如果萬一這個在野黨他對於我們談完之後重新談完之後的這個不論是ART或是MOU他們有意見的話那會對台灣造成什麼樣的影響 |
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476.089 |
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476.43 |
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因為我們當初齁 這個 |
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ART跟MOU其實是綁在一起談的對 並談 對等232並談對啊 所以你今天不可能說我們只要MOU 232對我們半導體高科技產業好然後對於ART我們就覺得說這個談得有問題我們就不要 |
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531.655 |
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就不可能這樣子嘛所以我們當時台美就是對等跟232並談嘛對我們之前是一起談的嘛高科技傳統產業跟農業在國際競爭力的一個相對優勢那我想我們努力達到這個目標我們當然現在也是要鞏固這個我們各類產業都能夠 |
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534.54 |
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549.001 |
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確定取得相對優勢的一個最佳待遇那232是最惠待遇那對成農產業跟農業我們取得的是逆差國中的一個最佳待遇尤其我們的原來取得的不疊加是讓我們米平了過去有 |
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549.722 |
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574.268 |
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跟美國FTA國家我們差距人家的一個MFN就像以前我們的從商產業在競爭的時候好像是腳上綁一個沙袋就是比人家高了一個MFN但是在原來的談判成果是不疊加以後這個的差異就消失了就有立足公平的一個競爭所以我們未來在不管他新的法律如何安排我們都希望能夠繼續鞏固我們原來所取得的一個相對優勢的一個最佳待遇 |
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574.508 |
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590.196 |
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所以我現在很擔心就是說在野黨有些人說要重新談判重新談判搞不好連已經談好的232我們有關這個高科技半導體的MOU都一起都會有影響一起受到這個連帶的一個影響我是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
591.337 |
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610.082 |
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如果這段期間能夠繼續在維持說我們這個跟美國談定的這個ART這個範圍裡面那當然是最好其實當初談出來的時候在野黨啊其實他們大部分也都認為說這已經談得很好了也都給我們這個行政院談判團隊都給肯定那今天不要為了說這個 |
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612.124 |
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627.183 |
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對這個ARTA認為說這個美國IEP有問題了那結果連帶的影響到我們已經談定了232有關於這個MOU的一些簽訂今天包括委員在內一早上到現在十多位各黨派的委員在這裡提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
628.001 |
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649.49 |
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我想會讓我們深具信心因為大家對232我們獲得的最優惠的待遇原來就已經知道這是很好的一個成果現在對ART所兼取到的15%不疊加這樣的一個過程今天早上到現在大家都持肯定的態度這個我會認為對未來我們將ART以及MOU並送國會的時候應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
651.809 |
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673.272 |
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前途一片光明才對但是我們現在努力的是趕快確保這個內容談判的內容美方跟我們繼續遵守確認他給我們一個很明確的說法我想有國會的支持你們在跟美方談的時候我想也會增加一些籌碼是委員講得對所以我們非常感謝這個委員對我們談判成果的一個肯認 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
673.905 |
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687.832 |
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好 那先 我們鄭副院長先請回接下來我請我們這個卓院長今天的這個程序委員會終於把這個行政院版的這個軍購特別條例至少在程序委員會有過關了那有機會在這個禮拜五就是複為審查 |
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689.242 |
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718.722 |
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但是現在國民黨他們的版本有很多種有3500億最低的那有可能要高到8000億左右那不管怎麼樣我認為國家安全是不能打折扣的那現在有兩個問題請教院長如果最後送來的國民黨的版本是鄭麗文的版本只有3500億那對於國家的安全會造成怎樣的傷害如果是有這樣的版本出現我一看到我會非常的遺憾因為在1.25兆的特別預算跟條例當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
719.178 |
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746.068 |
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我們清楚的告訴國人我們有三大目標一個就是台灣之盾那個整個台灣安全的很關鍵的力量設施另外一個就是用AI高科技導入一個擊殺鏈的一個整個新的新式武器第三個很重要的是國防相關聯的國防軍工產業那無論切到哪一塊都不是一個整套的國家安全體系所需要的有人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
747.969 |
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773.382 |
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國防安全體系這一塊要變做以後的年度預算但是我們認為國防安全體系可以讓我們的國內的產業急速的升級而且是有計畫的在8年內快速的朝向一個世界先進的國防產業裡面的升級如果變到年度預算當中又要產生其他的排擠作用所以還是要懇請大院依照行政院院版1.25兆的國防預算 |
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775.291 |
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794.926 |
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預算的這個特別條例跟特別預算內容能夠審查單裡面適當跟不適當予以合理的審查做若干合理的調整我們都能夠合理的來討論但是如果一切把它切好只剩下三分之一對我們整體的架構會產生非常大的影響我們看現在的這個戰爭的發展 |
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796.291 |
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810.848 |
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又要保護自己又要有適度的環境的能力同時當自主的國防沒有辦法實現的時候依靠外來的整個力量到時候會產生很大的斷層跟落差所以我希望這三點能夠同時達到 |
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812.325 |
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838.137 |
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因為從剛剛的這個關稅跟我現在問的這個軍購其實它有相同的背景就是說不論是軍購或是說這個關稅我們跟美方都已經有談定了那現在就是說如果我們跟美方已經有談定了那但是呢在野黨它有不同的意見然後要推翻這個我們跟美方不論是軍購或是說關稅都談得非常久然後就是說到了立法院之後呢在野黨不同意見把它推翻了 |
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839.144 |
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864.882 |
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那我相信對於台灣跟美國的關係也會受到影響當然所以我說國防不能夠打折扣的打三折 打三分之一那就不成原形所以我是認為1.25兆的國防預算合理的審查就內容我去要求國防部提出清楚的說明來據理力爭講到讓委員能夠來支持也讓美國可以及時的提供給我們這些先進的 |
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866.358 |
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881.913 |
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AI設計的這個武器讓我們能夠除了自保我們更有能力發展自己的國防軍工產業好那剩下最後一點時間我問一下因為現在就是說美國打伊朗那如果按照這個美國總統川普的說法可能會延續到四週 |
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882.694 |
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907.503 |
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那大家就很關心說我們的這個能源問題因為我們現在如果按照這個台灣基金研究院的估算石油庫存大概可以支撐120天那天然氣比較少天然氣大概僅大概11天左右那如果是在這種情況之下因為我們有60%的石油跟超過1%33%左右的天然氣需要經過現在有可能會被伊朗封鎖的這個荷姆斯的海峽 |
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908.323 |
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924.925 |
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那我想請問一下行政院有沒有短期跟長期的這個規劃跟替代方案那還有三月底會召開這個電價會議會不會受到影響電價會不會受到影響我們就最近一個月當中的所有的LNG的這個提供運送我們做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
925.54 |
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952.585 |
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比較周延的一個規劃3月份不會受到影響我們現在以這個目標往後當然要持續馬上進行加序了要確保4月以後的這個對電價會不會有影響電價當然要加入電價審議委員會因為4月的時候到現在整個變化還在好 謝謝李坤城委員資訊謝謝主委長 相關部會首長貝勳 謝謝 |
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955.7 |
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959.877 |
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接下來徐一貞委員質詢完畢之後王定宇委員改書面質詢 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:18:44.203000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:18:45.504000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，請卓院長還有鄭副院長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-03T16:18:45.504000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:18:45.964000+08:00 |
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麻煩再請卓院長、鄭副院長備詢。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-03T16:19:18.284000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:19:18.564000+08:00 |
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李委員好。 |
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1 |
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李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-03T16:19:19.826000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:19:20.707000+08:00 |
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院長好，副院長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-03T16:19:21.627000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:19:27.173000+08:00 |
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今天是元宵節，先祝福所有行政團隊元宵佳節愉快！ |
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1 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:19:27.594000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:19:28.274000+08:00 |
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大家平安，能夠團圓。謝謝。 |
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0.8 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:19:30.941000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:19:53.881000+08:00 |
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今天要講關稅的問題，不過除了關稅之外，我還想講軍購，也會提到能源的問題，鞏固臺灣安全的三大關鍵基石：第一個是經濟的防線，就是臺美貿易跟關稅；第二個是國防的防線，就是國家安全，就包含軍購在內；第三個是能源的防線，也就是中東戰火下的供應鏈。 |
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0.953 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:19:53.881000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:20:17.440000+08:00 |
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我先請教一下院長，本來我們跟美國都談得很好了，ART我們15%不疊加，有最惠國待遇、2,072項豁免關稅，然後MOU又談得很好，包含我們高科技的產品，資通產品、半導體有最惠國待遇。 |
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0.947 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:20:18.320000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:20:35.581000+08:00 |
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但是現在美國的大法官判定IEEPA違憲，不過他們行政部門的工具箱裡面工具很多，他馬上拿出122條款，122條款目前是10%再疊加MFN嘛！ |
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0.895 |
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李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-03T16:20:36.783000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:20:37.423000+08:00 |
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未來有可能到15%。 |
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1 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:20:39.145000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:20:49.415000+08:00 |
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我想請問一下，現在也有很多立委都很關心，我們本來談定的ART跟MOU其實都比未來10%或15%加上疊加關稅都還要好嘛！ |
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0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:20:55.720000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-03T16:21:11.408000+08:00 |
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但是我們也希望未來這段期間，我們行政院的談判團隊持續跟美方談判，就是我們已經談好的ART跟MOU是不是能夠持續有效？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:21:11.828000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:21:15.070000+08:00 |
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因為我想這對於臺灣來講，對各行各業、百工百業都是最好的。 |
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0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:21:15.750000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:21:27.076000+08:00 |
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所以我請教一下院長，副院長可以再補充，第一個，我們需要多久的時間跟美方確認我們所談好的ART跟MOU一樣有效？ |
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0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:21:27.096000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:21:53.692000+08:00 |
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其實談判團隊跟美方，自美國最高法院判決之後到現在已經取得了密切的聯繫，這種聯繫是持續在進行當中的，而副院長也在這種聯繫當中持續、一再地要求美方，儘快確認雙方已經談定的這個協議內容要繼續有效。 |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:21:54.212000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:07.106000+08:00 |
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但美方調整它國內的法律工具之後，它必須出具一個讓我們可以……足以證明繼續有效的一個很清楚的說法，我們才能跟國會提出來，這樣的過程現在還在進行當中。 |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:07.926000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:14.648000+08:00 |
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那會不會因為IEEPA無效之後，影響到我們已經談定的這個ART？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:15.348000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:16.549000+08:00 |
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232絕對沒有影響。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:16.549000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:17.549000+08:00 |
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對，232沒有影響。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:17.549000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:18.549000+08:00 |
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沒有影響。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:16.549000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:18.369000+08:00 |
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我是說我們的ART會不會受到影響？ |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:18.369000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:30.453000+08:00 |
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ART現在……影響，就是我們有一些……比方關稅，15%不疊加，變成10%疊加，雖然數字降低了，可是我們跟競爭國家之間的微妙變化是存在的。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:30.753000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:50.781000+08:00 |
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另外有一些部分是它全球豁免，本來單對我們豁免，現在全球豁免，我們的優勢也被吃掉了一些部分；另外一部分是，對我們有豁免的部分它現在取消了，變成沒有，變成10%加MFN，這個部分如果調整到原來ART的內容的話，我們就回到原來最有競爭力的模式裡面。 |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:50.861000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:55.803000+08:00 |
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那有機會繼續維持住本來的談判結果嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:55.803000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:55.923000+08:00 |
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爭取確認這個事情。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:55.923000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:56.923000+08:00 |
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請副院長再說明。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:22:56.303000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:00.665000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，第一個，232取得優惠不受影響。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:00.665000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:01.485000+08:00 |
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不受影響。對。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:01.805000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:05.306000+08:00 |
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第二，我們原來談到的ART談判成果，我們希望鞏固。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-03T16:23:06.367000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:25.353000+08:00 |
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我們跟美方聯繫的過程當中，美方也告訴我們，其實122是過渡性措施，那我們當然知道產業面對122、現在10%加MFN，未來會不會變動，的確有不確定感，我們是感同身受，但是我們會在這個過渡措施的過程當中跟美方緊密保持聯繫。 |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:25.914000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:41.878000+08:00 |
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未來真正要面對的是後續美方替代性的法律工具，不論是301或其他的法律工具之下，取代原來IEEPA的這個法源基礎，但是我們雙方仍然期待維繫ART的談判成果，我想這是雙方的態度。 |
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0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-03T16:23:42.518000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:52.623000+08:00 |
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美方政府其實也公開說明，他們未來會在他們既有貿易法的基礎之下實現跟各國的協議內容，這是他最新的發言。 |
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0.936 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:52.903000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:53.703000+08:00 |
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所以這是我們的優勢。 |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:53.703000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:54.703000+08:00 |
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這是我們的一個……對。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:53.703000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:54.864000+08:00 |
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因為我們已經談好了，對不對？ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-03T16:23:55.024000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:23:57.305000+08:00 |
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我們已經談好ART，譬如2,072項豁免。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-03T16:23:57.825000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:24:08.492000+08:00 |
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譬如我們本來15%不疊加，我們所謂的很重要、不疊加，是取得跟FTA國立足點相同的公平競爭，也就是相對優勢的最佳待遇。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.961 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:24:08.893000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:24:18.922000+08:00 |
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我們希望未來美方122之後、過渡新的法律工具之下，依然給我們具相對優勢的最佳待遇，這就是我溝通的目標，所以我們正在緊密溝通中，包含這期間，上個禮拜有…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.831 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-03T16:24:20.463000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:24:25.268000+08:00 |
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美方目前為止釋放出來的訊息，您覺得怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-03T16:24:25.268000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:24:26.589000+08:00 |
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有沒有朝我們想要的目標前進？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-03T16:24:27.570000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:24:34.374000+08:00 |
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我想我在這邊能夠說出我身為臺灣的談判代表，我全力以赴，我也有信心鞏固我們的談判成果。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-03T16:24:36.416000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:24:47.063000+08:00 |
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現在是不是要等美方那邊確定之後，我們的ART或MOU再一起送到立法院審議？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-03T16:24:48.464000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:24:59.170000+08:00 |
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我想我們必須跟美方進一步確認我們的關稅優惠待遇之後、明確化之後，我們就會進一步將ART以及MOU還有影響評估一併送到國會審議。 |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-03T16:24:59.551000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:25:04.934000+08:00 |
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就是要等再跟美方談完之後、做完一些調整之後再送來，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-03T16:25:04.934000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:25:17.922000+08:00 |
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因為他們關稅優惠的法律基礎發生了變化，所以他們也正在建立替代性的法律工具，因此我們要進一步跟他們確定未來法律框架的安排，以及我們當然是要確保我們取得的談判成果，然後併送…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-03T16:25:18.242000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:25:21.884000+08:00 |
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所以就是說，之前已經談妥的，因為現在他們的法律依據已經有變化了…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-03T16:25:21.904000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:25:38.616000+08:00 |
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只是根據法律依據做變化，我個人是推估，他們在122條款過渡之後，後續的法律工具某種程度應該要反映原來的談判成果，至於沒有達成協議的國家，他們後續面對301調查可能會面臨相對比較大的風險，可能必須要承受…… |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-03T16:25:39.516000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:25:41.477000+08:00 |
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就是說我們的變數應該會比較小嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-03T16:25:42.338000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:25:43.759000+08:00 |
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對，我們這是一個有利基礎。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-03T16:25:43.759000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-03T16:25:45.980000+08:00 |
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我們已經談定了嘛，所以我們的變數應該會比較小。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:25:46.280000+08:00 |
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但是要送來立法院審議的也是要在跟美國進行新的談判之後，或是說內容再做調整之後？ |
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鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:25:54.185000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:00.908000+08:00 |
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它應該是一個聯繫、溝通，然後美方會建立替代性的法律依據，明確化之後我們就會送大院審議，審議之後才會生效。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:02.029000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:02.609000+08:00 |
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這個不是重新談判嘛！不是。 |
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鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:03.150000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:03.910000+08:00 |
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它不是重新談判。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:05.992000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:10.037000+08:00 |
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這不是重新談判，就是說我們就內容再去跟他們做……確認。 |
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鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:10.037000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:20.370000+08:00 |
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因為我們上階段談判取得的是我們認為相對優勢的最佳待遇，所以我們並不是所謂重新談判，而是要在聯繫、溝通中去確保我們取得的談判成果。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:20.990000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:35.149000+08:00 |
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那如果、萬一，在野黨對於我們重新談完之後的不論是ART或是MOU有意見的話，會對臺灣造成什麼樣的影響？ |
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1 |
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鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:35.149000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:37.089000+08:00 |
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今天我看很多位委員，包括各個黨派的委員，其實都認為這個ART裡面15%、不疊加的相對優勢其實是臺灣傳統產業、農業可以取得的提升競爭力的一個好的結果，所以我相信只要鞏固了這樣的談判結果，送交大院，我們是非常期待大院能夠通過並予以生效。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:26:37.089000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:03.315000+08:00 |
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因為我們當初這個ART跟MOU其實是綁在一起談的嘛！ |
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鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:04.956000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:05.456000+08:00 |
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對，併談，對等和232併談。對啊！ |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:05.596000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:18.664000+08:00 |
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所以你今天不可能說我們只要MOU、232，對我們的半導體、高科技產業好，然後對於這個ART覺得談得有問題，我們就不要，不可能這樣子嘛！ |
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| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:19.144000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:22.187000+08:00 |
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對，我們當時臺美就是對等和232併談……對啊！ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:22.187000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:23.368000+08:00 |
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我們就是一起談的嘛！ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:23.848000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:37.643000+08:00 |
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我們一併爭取的是高科技、傳統產業跟農業在國際競爭力的相對優勢，我們努力達到這個目標，現在當然也是要鞏固我們各類產業都能夠確定取得相對優勢的最佳待遇。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:27:38.564000+08:00 |
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232是最惠待遇，對傳統產業跟農業，我們取得的是逆差國中的最佳待遇，尤其我們原來取得的不疊加是讓我們弭平了過去跟美國有簽FTA的國家、我們差距人家的一個MFN，就像以前我們的傳統產業在競爭的時候好像腳上綁了一個沙袋，也就是比人家高了一個MFN，但是在原來的談判成果是不疊加以後，這個差異就消失了，就有立足公平的競爭，未來不管他們新的法律如何安排，我們都希望能夠繼續鞏固我們原來所取得的相對優勢的最佳待遇。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:28:15.508000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:28:39.979000+08:00 |
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所以我現在很擔心，因為在野黨有些人說要重新談判，重新談判搞不好連已經談好的232有關高科技、半導體的MOU都會一起受到連帶的影響，我是希望，如果這段期間能夠繼續維持在我們跟美國談定的ART這個範圍裡面，那當然是最好。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:28:40.759000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:28:49.581000+08:00 |
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其實當初談出來的時候，在野黨大部分的人也都認為這已經談得很好了，也都給予行政院談判團隊肯定……謝謝。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:28:50.222000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:29:02.235000+08:00 |
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今天不要因為對於這個ART，認為美國IEEPA有問題了，結果連帶影響到我們已經談定的232有關MOU的一些簽訂。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:29:02.235000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:29:43.660000+08:00 |
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今天包括委員在內，從早上到現在，十多位各黨派委員在這裡提出的，我想會讓我們深具信心，因為大家對232我們獲得的最優惠待遇，原來就已經知道這是很好的成果，現在對於ART所爭取到的15%、不疊加這樣的一個過程，從今天早上到現在，大家都持肯定的態度，因此我會認為未來我們將ART以及MOU併送國會的時候，應該是前途一片光明才對，但是我們現在努力的是趕快確保這個談判的內容，美方跟我們繼續遵守，確認它給我們一個很明確的說法。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:29:44.021000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:29:48.526000+08:00 |
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我想，有國會的支持，你們跟美方談的時候也會增加一些籌碼啦！ |
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| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
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2026-03-03T16:29:48.526000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:29:54.272000+08:00 |
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是，委員講得對，所以我們非常感謝委員對於我們談判成果的肯認。 |
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| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:29:54.905000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:30:00.067000+08:00 |
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好，鄭副院長先請回，接下來我請我們卓院長。 |
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| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:30:00.067000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:30:20.749000+08:00 |
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今天的程序委員會終於把行政院版的軍購特別條例……至少在程序委員會有過關，有機會在這個禮拜五付委審查，但是現在國民黨的版本有很多種，有3,500億最低的，也有可能要高到8,000億左右，不管怎麼樣，我認為國家安全是不能打折扣的。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:30:21.390000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:30:31.656000+08:00 |
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現在有兩個問題請教院長，如果最後送來的國民黨版本是鄭麗文的版本，只有3,500億，對於國家的安全會造成怎樣的傷害？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-03T16:30:32.497000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:31:06.648000+08:00 |
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如果是有這樣的版本出現，我看到我會非常的遺憾，因為在1.25兆的特別預算跟條例當中，我們清楚的告訴國人我們有三大目標：一個就是臺灣之盾，整個臺灣安全很關鍵的設施；另外一個就是用AI高科技導入擊殺鏈的整個新式武器；第三個，很重要的是國防相關聯的國防軍工產業，無論切到哪一塊，都不是一個整套的國家安全體系所需要的。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:31:06.948000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:31:29.800000+08:00 |
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有人說國防安全體系這一塊要編做以後的年度預算，但是我們認為國防安全體系可以讓我們的國內產業急速升級，而且是有計畫的在8年內快速朝向一個世界先進的國防產業升級，如果編到年度預算當中，又要產生其他的排擠作用。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:31:30.380000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:31:54.865000+08:00 |
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所以還是要懇請大院能夠依照行政院院版1.25兆國防預算特別條例跟特別預算內容審查裡面的適當跟不適當，予以合理的審查，做若干合理的調整，我們都能夠合理的討論，但是如果一切把它切到只剩下三分之一，對我們整體的架構會產生非常大的影響。 |
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| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:31:54.865000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:32:11.828000+08:00 |
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我們看現在的戰爭發展，又要保護自己，又要有適度的還擊能力，同時，當自主的國防沒有辦法實現的時候，依靠外來的整個力量，到時候會產生很大的斷層跟落差，所以我希望這三點能夠同時達到。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:32:14.506000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:32:44.547000+08:00 |
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從剛剛的關稅跟我現在問的軍購，其實它有相同的背景，不論是軍購或是關稅，我們跟美方都已經有談定了，如果我們跟美方已經有談定了，但是在野黨有不同的意見要推翻，我們跟美方不論是軍購或是關稅都談了非常久，到了立法院之後，在野黨有不同意見而把它推翻了，那麼我相信對於臺灣跟美國的關係也會受到影響。當然。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:32:45.288000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:33:13.444000+08:00 |
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所以我說國防不能夠打折扣的，你打三折、打三分之一，那就不成原形，所以我是認為1.25兆的國防預算合理的審查，就內容我要求國防部提出清楚的說明據理力爭，講到讓委員能夠支持，也讓美國可以即時的提供給我們這些先進的AI設計武器，讓我們能夠除了自保，我們更有能力發展自己的國防軍工產業。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:33:13.444000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:33:54.510000+08:00 |
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好，剩下最後一點時間，我問一下，現在美國打伊朗，如果按照美國總統川普的說法可能會延續到4週，大家就很關心我們能源的問題，如果按照臺灣經濟研究院的估算，石油庫存大概可以支撐120天，天然氣比較少，天然氣大概僅11天左右，如果是在這種情況之下，因為我們有60%的石油跟超過三分之一、約33%左右的天然氣需要經過現在有可能會被伊朗封鎖的荷姆茲海峽，我想請問一下，行政院有沒有短期跟長期的規劃跟替代方案？ |
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李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-03T16:33:55.611000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:33:59.937000+08:00 |
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還有3月底召開的電價會議會不會受到影響？ |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:33:59.937000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:00.357000+08:00 |
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電價會不會受到影響？ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:00.357000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:07.920000+08:00 |
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我們就最近一個月當中所有LNG的提供、運送做了比較周延的一個規劃…… |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:07.920000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:09.621000+08:00 |
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3月份不會受到影響？ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:09.621000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:15.422000+08:00 |
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我們現在以這個目標，往後當然要持續，馬上進行下去了，要確保4月以後的供應…… |
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0.875 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:16.862000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:18.042000+08:00 |
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對電價會不會有影響？ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:18.042000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:22.923000+08:00 |
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電價當然要交由電價審議委員會，因為從現在到4月的整個變化還在持續發展當中，我們認為以安定、穩定民生為最大的優先。 |
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0.431 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:22.923000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:27.163500+08:00 |
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好，謝謝院長、謝謝部長。 |
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0.111 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:27.163500+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:31.404000+08:00 |
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謝謝李委員。 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:31.404000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:33.585000+08:00 |
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謝謝李坤城委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。 |
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0.75 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:36.700000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:40.877000+08:00 |
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接下來許宇甄委員質詢完畢之後，王定宇委員改書面質詢，我們要請王鴻薇委員準備。 |
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0.6 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:41.377000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T16:34:44.519857+08:00 |
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現在請許宇甄委員，請質詢。 |
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