| IVOD_ID |
167421 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167421 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T10:53:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T11:09:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/321e35c043cc325bb7036a995224208105351cf5c593b4e367addb1cb79b23471128cb8e9f3039315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉書彬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:53:44 - 11:09:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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好 謝謝主席那請卓院長上台好 請卓院長備詢劉文豪 |
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好 卓院長早安我們看到的是在美國是我們最近長期的話是個十大的前三大的貿易出口國去年的時候還變成的是第一大的貿易出口國那他的關稅政策當然對我們就影響的很大請問院長截止到目前為止經歷過十個月的讓台美的關稅談判如果滿分是100分的話你怎麼對你的團辦團隊打分數 |
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在委員之前的剛剛的數位委員諮詢當中都對我們的ART的成果表示政府應該極力爭取委員都這麼支持我覺得這個成果讓委員剛剛的表達來打分數最準確不以由我自己來講但是我很肯定的是我們除了爭取ART內容之外我們也證實我們的談判團隊是專業的談判團隊好 這樣看起來的話你應該是給他高分 是吧 |
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是委員剛剛的肯定讓我覺得非常的謝謝好 但是我們也看到相關的問題尤其是在2月20號的時候就是因為在美國最高法院已經認定到因為IPR這個部分他已經是認為原因是失效的那2月24號的政府院長也提供了說我們會繼續的再談那是不是請 |
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總院長您簡單的說目前的談判要在目前談判的目標跟原則是什麼我們已經跟美方就美國最高法院判決之後的變動 |
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跟美方取得密切的聯繫希望能夠維持我們在談判包括ARTA以及MOU當中我們取得的最佳的待遇那美國也說他完成後續的一些法律途徑的工具等等之後他會通知包括我國在內的所有跟他已經達成協議的國家那現在這個程度就是剛剛陶傑委員所問的政府在努力什麼 |
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我也希望委員能夠支持政府繼續確認美方的做法確保我方的最佳的待遇好 謝謝 我們繼續再看可是我們現在再繼續想要再去問的一個部分就是說你能夠承諾 因為你在過年之前的時候你就是對於ART裡面的成果就是大肆的宣揚 我們也看到了 |
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但是對於有部分的人就在說在MOU的部分對於他的附帶條件當中卻沒有好好的說明那想請問院長你能不能承諾說截至目前為止台美關稅談判的所有細節都已經完整的告知到我們的全體民眾了沒有外界所說的黑箱作業可以承諾嗎第一個談判沒有黑箱作業但基於國際談判的這個重要的默契大家在一開始到進行當中有些部分是不能在談判桌外面來 |
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是任何人來宣布的但我們在一定的程度之後都會向國人來做報告ART也好 MOU也好我們都透過記者會的方式公開向國人說明那未來只要跟美方的後續法律途徑確定之後我們會經由行政院內部的程序送交大院來做審議好 我們非常期待我們繼續往下看 |
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我想要說的是在MOU當中關於說對美的投資是2500億至少2500億那承擔是2500億美元的信保那這個部分我們看到的是說等於是說間接的要求納稅人去承擔的風險因為這個2500億的信用擔保算起來的話是台幣7.8兆大概是等於8兆的情況 |
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鄭麗君院長曾經表示我們的2500億美元的信用代保其實是政府跟公股銀行只要打算付出62.5億到100億美元就好了這個地方難道是要透過其他的財務槓桿來進行嗎 |
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我想要提醒的是 院長你不要忘記了1997年的金融海嘯最主要就是因為金融機構過度的去使用了財務槓桿以比較少的資本來介入到巨額資金而來進行到高風險的投資才造成的那你能夠保證這麼做呢不會再出現到有下一波的金融海嘯嗎所以這個是我們的上限他就不是無止限的同時我們經過他的 |
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這個貸款的額度信用貸款的額度以及他的保證的倍數來算62.5億左右是目前我們核算的出來的這個階段 |
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其實我剛才應該問在上面一個問題是在於說因為剛才看到IPI的這部分的時候看到的是說因為它失效所以這個美國跟全部的人美國跟全部的國家有關稅來往的就已經增了5.5兆的稅金那何時會退稅啊這部分到底台灣企業出了多少的稅金到底有沒有什麼時候會取回那政府要不要幫忙這個是不是請院長回答一下 |
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這個現在因為最終的數字還沒有定下來到底是10%是15%疊不疊加的問題都還沒定下來但已經發生的已經發生的部分美方也說過美方政府說那就請企業主動向美方的相關的單位來提出各種的訴訟的要求那如果我們的企業有這樣的 |
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已經付出的稅金需要在未來就訴訟的話我們當然會協助但現在我們是不是有這個經濟的事來因為現在經濟部他近期也會召開說明會會邀請熟悉美國國內法律程序的專家向我們企業來說明因為這個退稅涉及國內法律的訴訟所以經濟部已經在做這個相關資訊的準備也會向業界來說明不過大部分我們 |
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出口到美國的大部分是美國的進口商他們報稅的所以是他們去提告是他們去提告所以那多久大概兩個禮拜能夠得到一個結果嗎這要跟美國的律師跟他們的進口商做協商因為美國的進口商他們的來訴訟 |
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還要用新的訴訟啊對啊 要訴訟啊在美國戰決以及美國政府第一時間的說明有說明他們涉及國內法律訴訟多由進口商提起訴訟那剛剛鞏牧長有說雖然是美國國內法律程序不過我們業者希望了解那所以他們近期會跟我們業者來說明請專家來說明相關可能未來的法律程序好 那這樣看起來是曠日廢時了吧 |
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我們是讓廠商了解你的進口商如果產生訴訟的話可能可以跟進口商爭取一些權益因為當初這個稅比如說課了20%暫時性關稅可能大家是對半分那如果他訴訟成功的話拿回來是不是也有可能可以 |
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分配給我們一點當然就是有這個基礎也就是說在美國的國內法律程序下我國產業如何確保他們的權益好 我看到政府應該積極的再去知道這整個程序那也會願意像有需要的話去協助廠商把這個錢要回來對不對好 謝謝那我們現在回到剛才的這個問題就是2500億的美元的這樣子的一個信用彈簿我們看到的是在 |
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我們看到的是在金鴻的這個部分其實公股銀行就是也受到財政部的邀請就談到說就算是只會到100億的美金這個美金的話也會對國內的銀行造成很大的負擔因為在台灣的八大的公股銀行當中其中只有兩家在台灣銀行跟兆豐金他們在他去年的資本市主率才 |
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才有達到所謂的這個要求但是其他的六個銀行都低於本國的銀行的市足率的情況那就是他講說如果巴拿空股銀行你想了如果再加上這一百億的話這麼大的金額空股銀行恐怕難以成立負擔或衝擊到業務成長那這邊就想問說當空股銀行都沒有辦法承擔的時候那為何政府 |
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我們談判團隊敢跟美國簽署這樣子的一個MOU我跟委員報告我們有跟公股、航庫大概有談過對於這100億或者是62.5億美元的這個部分的融資保證這個部分來講的話他們覺得在假如說我們用分期來提撥的話其實對他們的BIS的影響其實是很小的同時就是說我們今年五年嗎? |
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所謂分期是指信用保證專款對 是信用保證專款62.5億的信用保證專款分五期來循序漸進成立 |
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那你們這個一分擔機制尤其是分擔機制大概多久會出來 |
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我們還在跟公股銀行一起民營銀行你們的演繹其實都還沒有出來你們就繼續跟人家說有在談判過程其實我們也有跟這個我以為哪個銀行哪個公股銀行跟你說沒有辦法你可以告訴我我們其實民營銀行也有財政委員會我會來財政委員會我會再了解哪個公股銀行跟你說沒有辦法我會了解 |
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有什麼困難我們幫他解決那現在包括你說的公股銀行跟民營銀行都有這個問題嘛就是說那民營銀行他們有意願參與那民營銀行這邊因為他影響到他的營運的部分他們有意願參與因為我們都有跟他談過那個BIS所以對於他們來講那BIS他們其實是可以的 |
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你也能夠承諾他們不會去抽我們這樣子在國內的銀根企業的銀根因為我們在規劃的過程當中我們會尊重公民銀行庫的意願我們不會強迫他們說你一定要來參加或怎樣因為在這個信保的機制信保專款是設計在國發會國家融資保證機制裡面 |
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那另外跟中小企業信保是完全不會排擠的那當然院長我們也會強再持續增加對中小企業信保的支持那所謂的2500億融資是上限的概念那企業也會有它的受信原則這個我們都跟美方說明會在企業有投資有融資需求然後經過銀行受信之後並且政府以這個信保專款還要審查 |
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之後才會成立這個融資以及信保的這個成做所以我想這個都依照台灣過去我們運作多年的所謂台灣模式成功的要素之一來進行那在這個過程當中副院長因為我聽過了我知道了解了就是財政部跟政府已經有做這樣的相關的準備就對了這就好那我繼續再問下去一個很重要的問題 |
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台積電他要赴美去投資那這部分呢我們看到的是他設計的是半導體的一個技術是國家核心關鍵技術那涉及到國安的問題那國科會呢他在去年告訴大家會堅持的是N-2的原則也就是落後兩代的這樣的一個技術才能出海那左院長你能夠承諾呢不管在美國的如何的威脅利誘的話呢我們的先進半導體製程外都能夠遵守這個N-2的這個立場可以嗎 |
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企業到國外做全球的佈局那是企業基於自己的全球的衡量沒有任何的逼迫那跟留台灣是政府跟企業當中最重要的一個原則所以跟留台灣的這個項目我們一定要求企業做到讓台灣的關鍵力量要維持在國內所以盧議長你就是承諾了嘛 對吧對 報告委員 因為我們 |
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廠商的對外投資基本上是要經過投審會的我們就會經過審查那會基於第一個它是不是涉及到國家安全的問題第二個是不是維護了整體產業的利益第三個它在國內相對投資的狀況它在國內有沒有相對投資最先進的技術一定的這個生產量跟創造更大的就業這個我們都會來考慮我重點知道說政府我提醒有做到這些部分就承諾就好因為大家都全部的都在看這樣的直播 |
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另外我們想要看到的是說在半導體的這個部分整個產業是往東到美國去投資那有包括是說半導體上面的人才的不只是外遊還包括是說因為我們已經承諾是要幫美國去形成所謂的這樣子的一個形成產業的群聚效應 |
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會帶動其他的台灣的產業到出走去包括是可能律師、會計師、餐飲服務生都可能會去在兩岸關係比較不穩定的情況之下相信也有國人他們是嚮往到美國上面去做工作這部分期待在美國落地生根我們甚至已經看到前一週的新聞已經出現到台積電已經先拼出了300位台積電的寶寶這樣的情況 |
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台灣的人才甚至跟缺工的潮都已經浮上檯面的時候那有沒有對行政院對這一波技術的外移跟人才的外移有沒有做過必必的評估呢包委員事實上人才他通常有一些循環性台積電也很多優秀的員工都是資產他們派到國外去階段性的時候他也可能會回到台灣來 |
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會形成一個循環比如剛開始的時候因為包括建廠、設廠、build up的情況之下稍微會派多一點的人工出去但是後來上了軌道以後他們又會回到台灣來那我希望是台灣關係能夠穩定因為台灣的投資額更大 |
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我現在看到我們台灣去到美國投資是好事但是美國也在這個MOU當中也提到美國他也要他投資台灣大概台灣的五大信貸產業包括半導體跟AI這部分那請問一下對在MOU裡面那美國有承諾都投資了還有大概投資的一個時程嗎 |
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而美國事實上過去對台灣投資也非常多比如說我單單舉一個除了我們講說像Google啦這個雲端產業之外那個本來他都沒有承諾嘛你現在說有沒有一個金額這部分還是因為我們台灣條件不夠好有沒有什麼計畫就是說要吸引國外的外資到這邊來等比如像美光他都已經在台灣投資他都把這個力積電的這個廠買下來了 |
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簡單買這個空格子廠就已經花了18億美金他後面還有很多的這個機器投資設備會投資下去報告委員我們所爭取到的例如MOU的雙向投資台灣是非常獨特的地我在其他國家並沒有爭取到這樣的條文所以我想我們爭取到雙向投資也呈現一個未來雙方合作的一個代表好謝謝劉委員 |
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好 謝謝劉委員下一位我們請陳冠廷 |