| IVOD_ID |
167419 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167419 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T10:09:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T10:25:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/321e35c043cc325bf889d48b15c94c4f05351cf5c593b4e3a9f49adffb172e5f4e5686418a82e3265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:09:03 - 10:25:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是有請院長以及經濟部部長請卓院長還有部長 |
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蔡元豪好 院長好院長那我想這一次的整個台美的一個經貿的一個談判基本上是好多層的一個轉折啦從去年四月的時候當時川普他宣布的懲罰性關稅 |
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那也就是說從32%那再加上既有的就疊加所謂的NFN那到了8月的時候他暫時性的對等關稅就先把台灣的部分就變成20%再疊加NFN那後來在我們整個我們行政團隊跟我們由我們鄭麗君副院長率領的這個跟美方的談判 |
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那我們爭取到了台美對等貿易協定就是ARTART就是15%而且不疊加NFN那現在的狀況就是看起來說美國的最高法院去宣判了川普的這個IPA是有違法的一個狀況所以川普他就把它轉為說用他們過去既有的122條款然後再疊加NFN那在中間的這個轉折會讓我們大家 |
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現在的問號就是說好那我們完成了ARTART就是所謂15%的不疊加NFN那跟現在川普他宣告全國都是用所謂122加上NFN就是15%疊加NFN那這兩個之間是否有衝突還是說我們可以在這個的基礎之上用ART不疊加NFN就可以 |
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取代川普現在所謂的122加上NFN呢?報告委員目前來講暫時現在的官規是10%加上NFN目前就是報的這個稅率那現在我們還是希望就是說可以達成ART的最後的結果因為ART可以提供我們跟其他國家立足點的競爭平等雖然它是15疊加現在是10疊加 |
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所以我們還是努力爭取因為到時候這個暫時進程關稅一旦落幕以後美國找到法源以後基本上就會回到他原來美國跟其他的國家談判的一些結果 |
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所以該升的升 該降的降現在是大家一致性的一個暫時性現在都是大家還是一致嘛對不對但是我們的ART一旦生效一旦生效 其他國家的談判過去的談判結果也會同時生效也會同時生效嘛那就有可能就會落到說好就是15% |
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就是我們現在期待的一個最終的一個方向所以在這個大方向之下我們希望就是這一個ART的部分是要經過國會的審議然後盡速讓它生效這個是我們現在的一個目標那當然我要 我就是說在這要給我們這個談判團隊我們真的要按個大拇指 真的要按個讚 |
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因為我們爭取到的還包括2072項是豁免關稅嘛這2072項然後這中間是很多然後再加上我們另外跟美國簽署了這樣的一個NOU那這個NOU裡面就代表的就是說未來在232條款裡面我們有最惠國待遇也就是說未來台灣會處在一個說我們除了有所謂的15%不疊加 |
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那這個15%這個NFN當然現在是有一個還在爭議川普要怎麼決定是否疊加這件事不知道但是至少我們簽了ART之後我們從15%然後有2072項的是屬於豁免關稅就是所謂零關稅的部分再加上232爭取的這個NOU裡面是最惠國所以台灣基本上在這些品項上我們會處在 |
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相對於台灣一些產業科技產業最大的競爭可能來自韓國來自日本我們的立足點美蘇英這個院長這個是你們有信心的嗎是是是 沒有錯 |
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所以委員應該是支持政府現在趕快去確認跟確保我們在談判當中所獲得的最優惠的待遇那美方完成它內部的法律程序的調整跟途徑之後就會通知我們那我們一定要這個通知的時候能夠確認我們是維持已經談判得來的最優惠的待遇 |
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所以這件事情基本上就不衝突嘛就是說我們因為跟美國談到了現在的這個ART這樣的一個成績這個成績是國會審議過後那美方再去決定他們內部他們面對最高法院的判決他們最後要怎麼定調他們國內要如何剋稅這個是美方的問題跟我們現在跟他簽署的基本上這是兩條可以並行的線這沒問題嘛對 委員 |
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委員說的完全是目前的情勢就是122條款是一個美方已經有說是一個暫時性的措施目前是10加MFN當然川普總統有說可能會提高我們會關切但它是一個過渡性的暫時性措施最重要是後續他們會有安排新的法律工具的基礎那我們相信在這個法律工具基礎我們評估它安排出來的時候應該會反映原來跟各國談判的結果 |
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那我們也正在跟美方緊密的聯繫當中我想這是一個大方向那我方努力的目標就是的確是確保在後續法律途徑重新重建的過程當中持續爭取到我們已經鞏固爭取到我們已經爭取到的相對優勢的最佳待遇所以委員剛剛關心的是不是能夠鞏固我們的談判結果這就是我們努力的目標也是我們正在跟美方聯繫溝通當中我們也已經取得聯繫 |
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沒有不對啦,我嘗試說白話他現在美國內部的國內調整,所以他現在要用122所以這122訂出來之後,訂的是全球通用這減息的,因為他的法源的性質他就是可以直接沒有經過調查就先訂他是用既有的法律之下,他是一個階段性的安排 |
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剩餘一二二十四就是全球適用嘛全球適用的情況之下我們台灣已經清楚了這個ART然後這個ART裡面我剛講的2072項的一個零關稅而且一律用15%不疊加就是這個不疊加的就是逆差國中最佳待遇就是我們面對後續變動有利的基礎 |
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好,所以在這個基礎之下,我們趕快讓ART上路,縱使美國後面,我們最後有機會就是回到這個ART,回到ART我們就是15%不跌價,那甚至在232裡面有所謂的 |
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NOEU的一個最惠國待遇所以這就是現在對我們最有利的一個立場所以行政團隊爭取到的這樣的成績當然你現在希望立法院在審議的過程裡面應該要全力支持這樣的一個成績甚至應該是要捍衛這樣的成績沒有錯吧對委員都講更白話就是說雙方都現在都認為雙方談好的都算數第二個如果單方有一些內部的調整 |
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要向我們提出一個明確的說明跟保證原來談好的事都一樣都算數的那這個基礎存在送交國會 國會同意之後這個ART跟這個MOU就會一起生效所以現在就是ART跟MOU |
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這是現在我們立法院要審議的啦所以我站在一個立委的一個立場啦我真的覺得說呼籲這個朝野黨團啦尤其在野黨因為我看到在野黨的黨主席還說要重啟談判啦國民黨 |
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也說說 也講了說要重啟談判可是問題這個重啟談判有可能就是因為又會進入到川普現在說的說如果要重談的話之前的一些東西就都無效了就全部重來 沒錯沒錯他這個不確定性就增加這就是我們現在會歡樂的因為現在既然說有這個選擇這個選擇為什麼不讓他上路呢對 我們評估就是已經達成協議的國家面對後續美方重新安排法律工具是一個有利的基礎 |
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希望未來是會反映我們原來的談判結果那至於沒有達成協議的國家我們評估他們會面對後續新的法律工具下比較高的風險甚至可能會被課比較高的關稅所以我想我們已經談出來的一個談判結果是未來後續有利基礎我們努力目標就是爭取回鞏固我們得到的最佳待遇 |
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所以副院長你剛講的這個事實上就真的有前轍之鑑嘛韓國國會就沒有通過他們跟美國的貿易協定結果後來他們現在被課25%這件事是確定的嗎因為當時1222判決公布之前因為韓國一直遲遲沒有推進原來已經簽署的MOU所以當時美方就 |
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曾經提說要再提高關稅嘛 我想這很清楚那川普總統 當然我是臺灣臺灣代表我不一待美國發言不過我們都可以從媒體看到川普總統也表示還有他們美國貿易代表也表示希望維持這個協議嘛因為我們看到川普是在1月26在他的社群媒體他就說 川普總統有說重談的可能會更糟但是我想美方已經有表達希望維繫跟各國的貿易協定那我們也評估認為已經談到的最佳待遇是 |
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未來的有利基礎希望去鞏固這樣的一個談判成果那我們也評估沒有達成協議的國家未來面對新的法律工具他們的風險相對是比較高的 |
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當然所以我們今天已經談到了而且這個成績普遍上國人是覺得談得很好我想不管是商種或是現在的一些工業的一些團體甚至來自我們農業的我們農業縣的我現在聽起來大家都普遍認為說在這一次的談判中有守住對農業基本上的一些保護我們是有守住的 |
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所以這個談判這樣說起來比較不情緯所有大概國人一致的認為談得很成功現在唯一的不確定性就是美國的內部的政策的調整對 但是至少這個談得成功的這個前提之下就是我們要捍衛的啊市委員講得對現在是美國內部程序法律基礎工具正在重新安排那我們要面對的是說在這個過程當中持續去溝通聯繫確保我們取得的成果 |
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那我們已經取得聯繫也正在聯繫其實過去這幾天我們跟商務部視訊我們也跟這個貿易代表署都有建立聯繫管道也在取得聯繫所以我的工作責任就是持續溝通聯繫在後續變動中鞏固我們談判最佳成果好 副院長這件事真的要跟你說辛苦了你辛苦了而且這樣好的一個成績 |
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這樣的一個成績我們未來在國會上我們希望可以加速審議然後加速讓它生效這是郵中的一個期盼畢竟我來自農業縣所以我認為說有一些問題農業上的問題我還是想在這個機會 |
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那跟院長這邊來稍微再請教一下就是說因為這次的談判基本上對於台灣消美那至少在農業的部分有261項的農產品會降到0%就是剛剛說的豁免關稅農業261項其中包括蝴蝶蘭包括茶葉包括咖啡包括紅藍鬚甚至雙眼甚至這個這個 |
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芭樂啦 芋頭啦還有鳳梨跟委員報告一個好消息因為目前美國正在進行檢疫程序已經完成要準備草案公告那我上次去簽署ART的時候也有向美方反映說希望這個鳳梨檢疫的程序早日完成所以他們也會加速進行所以看起來就是說我們這個不錯 |
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因為台灣這些都是我們大宗的作物至少在水稻的部分沒有增加配額部分其實有一些東南亞國家像印尼、柬埔寨他們是有開放稻米的那像稻米在內的27項我們都維持維持在既有的配額以下像蚵仔也是一樣分蚵仔也一樣蚵仔不變 |
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然後你就想說我們銷售最大的水產品包括鱸魚啦包括三馬仔啦包括台灣鯛啦虱目魚 鬼頭刀有相對優勢對 這有優勢因為以前是20 現在是15所以這也是有優勢所以農業的部分看起來跟對美才是OK就是院長有指示糧食安全我們全力爭取到糧食安全的防線對 這都很好但是我現在要說的就是我們農業是讓它 |
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注意到一點就是說這個出口替代的問題就是說因為中國他現在美國他現在美國要在阿達阿達的他現在說四十幾%四十幾%也許現在的狀況不知道可是中國的產品第一個他們那些都便宜一點很便宜的啦他們那些就是所以他可能會低價請銷那過去他們比如說啦我說母島啦母島他們以前是 |
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會消去美國 現在他們開始要走日本日本是我們70%的出口所以這部分我們就會被中國衝擊到就是跟談判沒關是中國的問題可是中國的一旦他的低價產品開始流竄到其他國家的時候這個對我們會衝擊 |
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我跟委員報告我們在處理台美關稅之間的因應的部分不是只有對美國市場我們也同時看這個產品對於其他的國家像其他國的母島的部分日本的部分我們也會回訪去增強它的一個利基 |
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不然我的時間不夠 我現在一個重點就是說我們現在就是農業部編列所謂特別預算190億那在幾個禮拜前我們院長也有宣布要用300億的農業的一個農安基金農業安定基金那我現在要認為說這個都需要因為農業它的變化是很多國家一起競爭所以但是在農業的部分我們要知道 |
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對農民來講有些基礎設施是不可或缺的就是說對農民來講這些基礎設施包括說應該水路的改善所以這些特別基金跟特別預算我們認為說在傳統的這些水路農水路上應該也要編列因為這部分對農民來講他要怎麼讓他的生產是穩定的這個來自他們要有更強的抗旱 抗災的能力這個就是傳統的一些建設所以這部分 |
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謝謝蔡委員 |