| IVOD_ID |
167418 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167418 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T09:52:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T10:08:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:52:59 - 10:08:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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我們稍微看一下 到目前為止 |
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說實在的從2月15號行政院經貿談判公司發新聞稿說我們2月12號簽完ART然後1月15是簽投資MOU可是在立法院來講我是沒有收到正式的文書還沒有送對不對還沒有送 |
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所以說實在的站在我的立場其實我是肯定談判團隊的努力但是就是我實在是沒辦法省空氣所以可能還是要給我一些正式的像我們那個ART的文本還是從你們官方的鏈接而且你們附的時候應該還是要給我中英文 |
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然後這個MOU的協定內容是什麼我剛剛很期待的看這個附件這個叫重點摘要也不是正式的officially的文件所以我是覺得這一塊地方還是在請行政院看什麼時候可以再送給我們審議可以嗎 院長對依照我們的規定是談判團隊 |
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跟外國簽署一定的程度之後簽署達成之後一定的時間要送到行政院行政院就要核定之後會送到大院來做審議那現在這個時間還沒有到對吧 所以說因為現在很多人都說我們是不審啊或者是不同意啦然後或者是說這個但是我感覺就是我拿不到東西我就覺得就是黑箱啊 |
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談判這個議題上我們從來沒有說大院不審我們只是說不審的只是預算跟軍購特別條例好來下一頁這個目前依法論法依合約來論合約所以因為我常年在以前在外商工作過白紙黑字在美商很重要 |
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所以現在我們這樣子的一個基礎是有問題的也就是說它是被美國最高法院判定這是違法我們是架構在這個違法上面所談出來的ART我覺得框架可能是我們要努力的大致內容但是我覺得就白紙黑字是不是還是要做修正 |
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所以我再強調美方會把它的後續作為通知我方我們希望我們得到的通知是一個很正式的文本那那個部分我們來確認之後第一個確保我們已經談妥的包括232包括15%不疊加的關稅都在我們已經談好的最佳的待遇 |
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好 我為什麼這樣子問也就是說第一個要跟國人澄清這白紙黑字的合約內容是一定要調整 |
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因為我不可能簽一個違法的也不可能去審一個違法的利潤基礎的法例這在前面兩個委員都討論過這第一個第二個趁這個緩衝的時間是不是可以再談到更有利一點或者是我的投資金額再少一點這個是我們很好的那就是要重啟談判 |
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我覺得是你用appendix或者是怎麼樣子的附錄修改都可以啦這個再看你們怎麼去談我只是說努力嘛努力你有150天的緩衝就好好努力再我說實在的我們談了一年喔就是我們常在外面的媒體或新聞看到就是說我們談得很好尤其在新春那時候鄭副院長說的對不對15%不疊加可是過一個年就變天了嘛 |
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那這個時候來講就是談了一年我的天花板就變成是地板那這樣子來講的話在你們之後的經濟部召開的記者會當然你會說很多但是我假設就這150天裡頭我跟競爭國的對手來比較這150天我們還是有損傷的吧 |
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不是 報告委員現在競爭是百分之十是全世界都是百分之十加一我知道我知道因為現在你們的就是很多的媒體競選都是寫15%現在的話真正正式是10%然後川普這邊他什麼時候會改成15%這要等他officially的一個order裡頭才有辦法這個我知道所以呢基本上呢我大概也查了一下整個1月2條款的這些的美國的這個CPP的這樣子HTS US的表 |
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基本上來講我們很多就不在就如同部長說的這個是不在我們的豁免裡頭所以這個時候來講的話這個150天這樣子的一個產業的受到的衝擊我是覺得可能要去多方的做一些的配套的一個措施那再來的話呢在這個地方的話呢也就是說我現階段只能確定的就是絕對不是ART |
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我又起碼在這150天嘛我們當然希望它縮短一點在這150天來講絕對不是RT也不是232嘛大概就是122那122的話現在我也希望行政院去澄清就是要讓外界清楚知道因為有些人講15%有些人是講10%加正確的說法就是10%加上MFN那要等美國公告才15%的MFN那為什麼這樣講因為很多的廠商現在是搞不清楚 |
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他常常來找我他說現在到底是要多少那到底要多少的時候呢說實在的我也再去幫你們再查了其實這裡頭廠商很關心的問題是到底我們未來MOU232的優惠到底是什麼項目這邊考一下部長我們常常講半導體 |
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資鋒訊產業請問在我們的這個台美MOU我忘了問號的地方跟這個232條款到底是多少巴偉因為他現在232的調查還沒有結束還在進行對不對他是說有可能在一個月或兩個月以後會對外公佈那實際上的課稅那時候才會出來但是基本上按照如果我們跟他簽了MOU的這個這個協議的話 |
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基本上可以豁免,就是我們半導體去那邊投資豁免是零嗎?對,豁免是如果是在這個投資產生的產值的配額之內是零那配額是多少?配額外是優惠稅率15%那屆時如果他公布的低於15%我們MLU載民從其低 |
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所以我們爭取到的是半導體資通訊最惠待遇那有關已經制定稅率的汽車零組件是最惠待遇15%我為什麼這樣子問的原因就是說剛剛前面委員都說過了不管是農業或者是這些24%的受到衝擊的影響我覺得後續還是要去辦產業的說明我現在就半導體跟資通訊產業在現在這邊它並不是完全的 |
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豁免也不是完全的零所以呢基本上來講我是希望在你們未來台美的MOU或是232盡量去避免因為包含我們這裡頭的HS的CALL如果你去查一下的話8541 8542這大概沒什麼問題但是在後面的8532 8534以及現在目前的話很多122的條款裡頭像通訊設備路由器等等他寫的都是Aircraft |
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所以在這一段期間我們是希望說未來為什麼我剛剛一直講150天的這樣子的緩衝的期間你要去能夠把這樣子的談判能夠 |
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如果我們可以再往前進能夠再更豁免多一點的我們當然是需要努力吧報告委員我們現在後續的包括您剛才提232項目那邊跟美方之間還是在副院長的主持之下我們還是有跟他實際再視訊就是哪些具體項目真的放到您剛才提到的這些豁免清單裡面去那因為這個豁免清單要需要他的商務部我是覺得這個為什麼會這樣子問下一張投影片 |
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我就跟廠商講說來你如果要出口報價的話他說那我要從哪裡得知比較正確及時的資訊我說那你查經濟部囉對不對查財政部官報署看看喔 |
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可是我們上去查的時候沒有啊不是目前如果是屬於ITA項目的話目前報價就還是零啊關稅我現在講的是查詢啦查詢的話你的資料經濟部你的資料2月23號2月23號就已經判定違法了所以你2月23號的新聞稿他屬於232項目裡面他是232項目 |
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目前在行政院經貿辦公室都有部會的整合的資料那是不是容我一點點時間跟委員報告一下就是說因為這次判決對於232條款下的優惠是沒有影響的 |
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所以剛剛提到的幾個汽車零組件對 那是要在整個把ART裡頭牽往現在還沒有 所以現在可以確定的就是122沒有 資通訊半導體現在是零因為它232稅率還沒有公布如果232稅率的半導體稅率公布之後我們就會適用最惠待遇配額內零 配額外15%對 那個是半導體 我現在整個是回到廠商來 |
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我是希望說廠商要去查到即時資料的時候不要讓他一個一個部會查嘛我們有行政院整合的資訊窗口來源分散沒有即時更新嘛那個資料不要有錯啦我們一定會整合資訊提供給廠商要不然你說A1行動內閣會落差啦 |
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我的意思是這樣沒有啦 一定會進行資訊擴張我以後慢慢看而且最近也會展開系列的跟我們進出口同業者說明你講的我都相信你會做到好不好做不到的話我們就質詢的時候再看再來 |
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台積電設廠這高階晶片的關稅還不是零就剛剛你們講的配額目前因為他辦表局關稅還沒有真正制定所以目前是用ITA的項目基本上現在是零 |
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我知道但是我現在說假設因為你們常常號稱嘛投資的協定嘛ART是你最大的亮點我現在如果放到你的MOU裡頭所講的基本上就是你的配額內的晶片的課稅是0額度外的是15% |
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綜會待遇如果未來屆時公佈稅率低於15就要重啟低所以我們確保了就是好沒關係反正配額內免稅配額外就走綜會國待遇這個都清楚我幫你算了一下就是說整個如果以台積電的一個製程 |
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大概全球產業2024年是129億顆小美我假設做七成的話大概是差不多是90億所以如果亞利桑那州的這個廠的話看起來每次大概是15億顆左右我初估然後的話呢如果按照它的配額這樣算下來大概就是37.5所以兩邊去把它扣下來之後我可能超過配額外的我可能還是要去扣水 |
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所以這個課稅的話呢大概我估是1300億到4800億左右當然你說我們半導體競爭很強啊這關稅也不是我付啊不是這樣算法我們直接出口到這個美國的半導體顆粒的部分不到10%基本上他是在其他地方裝上了這個AI Server以後才賣到美國去那是另外算的 |
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明白我現在是說如果你隨著產能的增加我現在是估一個最大量假設是因為半導體的生態系有它的複雜性晶片直接出口的比例是低的所以我們談的是一個半導體及其衍生品那尤其所謂配合的計算的基礎會希望的是這個我都清楚企業投資未來的投資計畫我現在只是說如果這個產能上去的時候這個產能上去的時候我的意思想要表達是說我整個生態量都過去了 |
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可能有爭取到全部就是零嘛因為我現在本來就是零啊你確定辦法裡面有整個生態鏈過去不是那個ITA項目裡面現在全世界都是零嘛對不對但是美國他以後二三個調查以後所有的ITA項目去那邊就不會是零好我最後還有一個問題啦反正你的配額A跟配額Y1.5N跟2.5N那個N是誰認定 |
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報告 我跟委員是不是補充兩點第一點 你先回答我 那個N誰認定 |
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美國廠的產能誰認定?是我們台灣認定?台積電認定?還是美國政府認定?我們的投資計畫是企業自主所以由企業決定它對美投資的計畫來來來,針對問題了吧你的MOU上面寫的1.5N、2.5N那個N誰認定?現在要跟委員報告每個國家有它本來的投審計畫我國也有我不要投審,我現在是講N啦美國產能的N是誰認定? |
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這個會跟商務部每個企業會他的投資計畫會跟商務部來這個協商那政府也會參與我希望會追這件事情我希望那個N的協定不是美國說的算我們現在目前會建立居土居的協商為什麼我跟委員再補充報告第二點這個協商除了取得優惠以外還有協商我們企業設廠營運它需要的原物料設備零組件要取得豁免 |
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所以我們要協商兩個表明所以我是覺得可能20兆的投資的金額這些東西可以再少一點這個是你一定要去努力的這個是不能這樣計算啦委員 這個不能這樣計算廠商自主它有它的需求廠商自主這個投資信保這個東西也是一個騙局啊2500億加上2500億的信保你們的投資都說只有2500億這事實上是超過的啊上限2500億融資MOU寫明 |
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不是嘛 我說整個投資金額絕對不是只有2500億嘛一定是7000多億嘛那有2500億是企業自主的投資不是政府的出資對 那個是企業自主投資好啦 我不用跟你吵數學我數學都寫在那邊了 好不好報告委員 我們的企業從美國來 最後喔 我想簡單 因為我只剩19秒我們呢 半導體的整個可能長遠要去防止它資金基礎人才的掏空 |
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再來最後一個就是這一個我覺得蠻嚴重的啦為什麼我在川普的眼中台灣是小偷要不要去抗議好好 謝謝 |
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謝謝洪委員,也謝謝卓院長 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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1 |
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有請卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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1 |
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洪委員好。 |
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0 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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1 |
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謝謝院長。 |
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0 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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我們稍微看了一下，到目前為止，從2月15號行政院經貿談判辦公室發新聞稿說2月12號簽完ART，然後1月15號是簽投資MOU，可是在立法院來講，我並沒有收到正式的文書。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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還沒有送。 |
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1 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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還沒有送嘛，對不對？ |
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0.5 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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說實在的，站在我的立場，其實我是肯定談判團隊的努力。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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1 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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但我實在是沒辦法審空氣，所以可能還是要給我一些正式的文件，像ART的文本還是從你們官方鏈結取得，而且你們附的時候應該還是要給我中英文版嘛！ |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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包括MOU的協定內容是什麼。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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我剛剛很期待地看了附件，但這個叫重點摘要，也不是正式的、officially的文件，所以我覺得這一塊還是請行政院看什麼時候可以再送給我們審議，院長，可以嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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依照我們的規定，談判團隊跟外國簽署達成之後，一定的時間內要送到行政院，行政院就要核定，核定之後會送到大院做審議，而這個時間還沒有到。對吧！ |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:54:47.378000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-03T09:54:51.160000+08:00 |
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因為現在很多人都說我們不審，或者是不同意啦！ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T09:54:51.160000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T09:54:53.181000+08:00 |
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沒有、沒有。 |
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0 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:54:53.181000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:54:55.983000+08:00 |
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但是我感覺就是我拿不到東西，我就覺得就是黑箱啊！ |
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1 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:54:55.983000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-03T09:54:56.983000+08:00 |
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我看不到內容，我沒辦法審。 |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-03T09:55:03.325000+08:00 |
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在談判這個議題上，我們從來沒有說大院不審，我們說不審的只是預算跟軍購特別條例而已。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:55:03.905000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:55:36.860000+08:00 |
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下一頁的簡報，目前依法論法，依合約來論合約，因為我以前長年在外商工作，白紙黑字在美商很重要，所以現在我們這樣子的一個基礎是有問題的，也就是它被美國最高法院判定是違法的，我們是架構在這一個違法的上面所談出來的ART，我覺得框架可能是我們要努力的，對不對？ |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-03T09:55:37.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-03T09:55:37.821000+08:00 |
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就是大致的內容。 |
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0.571 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-03T09:55:38.421000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:55:42.745000+08:00 |
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但是我覺得就白紙黑字，是不是還是要做修正？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-03T09:55:44.174000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:56:05.083000+08:00 |
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所以我再強調，美方會把他的後續作為通知我方，我們希望我們得到的通知是一個很正式的文本，那個部分經過我們的確認之後，第一個，確保我們已經談妥的部分，包括232條款、包括15%且不疊加的關稅，都在我們已經談好的最佳待遇、最優惠的待遇底下，如果在經過美國內部法律途徑的改變後，他告訴我們依然有效，那我們覺得這整個合約仍然有它的法律效力。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:56:05.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-03T09:56:06.049000+08:00 |
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好，為什麼我這樣子問？ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-03T09:56:06.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-03T09:56:33.101000+08:00 |
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第一個，要跟國人澄清，這個白紙黑字的合約內容是一定要調整，因為我不可能簽一個違法的，也不可能去審一個具違法立論基礎的法律，這在前面兩個委員都討論過，這是第一個。 |
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0.918 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-03T09:56:33.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-03T09:56:41.191000+08:00 |
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第二個，趁這個緩衝的時間，是不是可以再談得更有利一點，或者是我的投資金額再少一點？ |
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0.973 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:56:41.191000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-03T09:56:41.892000+08:00 |
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這個是我們很好的…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-03T09:56:41.992000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-03T09:56:42.693000+08:00 |
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那就是要重啟談判了，重啟談判是一個很大的挑戰。 |
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0.381 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:56:45.350000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:56:53.534000+08:00 |
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我覺得是你用appendix或者是怎麼樣子的附錄修改都可以，這個再看你們怎麼去談，我只是說努力嘛！努力！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-03T09:56:54.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-03T09:56:56.195000+08:00 |
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你有150天的緩衝就好好的努力。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-03T09:56:57.176000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:57:10.282000+08:00 |
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再來，說實在的，我們談了一年，且常常在外面的媒體或新聞看到我們談得很好，尤其在新春那時候鄭副院長說的，對不對？ |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-03T09:57:10.282000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-03T09:57:27.482000+08:00 |
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15%且不疊加，可是過一個年就變天了，談了一年，我的天花板就變成是地板，這樣子來講的話，在之後經濟部召開的記者會，當然你會說很多，但是我假設就這150天裡頭，跟競爭國的對手來比較，這150天我們還是有損傷的嘛！ |
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0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-03-03T09:57:33.973000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-03T09:57:38.076000+08:00 |
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不是，報告委員，現在是10%，是全世界都是10%+MFN |
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0.714 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-03T09:57:39.237000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:57:39.797000+08:00 |
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我知道、我知道。對、對。 |
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0.75 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-03T09:57:40.378000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:57:46.902000+08:00 |
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因為現在就是很多媒體新聞都寫15%，現在真正、正式是10%。是。對…… |
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0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:57:47.182000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:57:52.206000+08:00 |
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川普這邊什麼時候會改成15%，這要等他officially的一個order裡頭才有辦法…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-03-03T09:57:52.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-03T09:57:53.226000+08:00 |
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是的、是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-03T09:57:53.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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2026-03-03T09:57:53.526000+08:00 |
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這個我知道。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:57:54.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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2026-03-03T09:58:19.738000+08:00 |
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所以基本上我大概也查了一下，整個122條款美國CBP的HTSUS表，基本上，就如同部長說的，很多是不在我們的豁免裡頭，所以這時候來講，這150天產業所受到的衝擊，我是覺得可能要多方的做一些配套措施。是。 |
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0.942 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:58:21.479000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:58:49.860000+08:00 |
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再來，現階段我只能確定的就是，絕對不是ART，起碼在這150天，我們當然希望他縮短一點，在這150天來講，絕對不是ART，也不是232條款，大概就是122條款，就122條款來講，現在我也希望行政院去澄清，就是要讓外界很清楚知道，因為有些人講15%，有些人是講10%加……正確的說法就是10%加上MFN。對。是。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:58:50.800000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:58:53.242000+08:00 |
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要等美國公告，才是15%的MFN。 |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-03T09:58:54.242000+08:00 |
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2026-03-03T09:59:01.345000+08:00 |
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為什麼這樣講，因為很多廠商現在搞不清楚，他們常常來找我，並詢問現在到底是要多少。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-03T09:59:02.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-03T09:59:03.185000+08:00 |
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到底要多少？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-03T09:59:04.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-03T09:59:15.149000+08:00 |
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說實在的，我也再去幫你們查了，其實這裡頭廠商很關心的問題是，到底我們未來MOU、232條款優惠的是什麼項目？ |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-03T09:59:15.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-03T09:59:30.035000+08:00 |
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這邊考一下部長，我們常常講半導體、資通訊產業，請問在我們的臺美MOU，我放「問號」的地方，跟這個232條款到底是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-03T09:59:32.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-03T09:59:35.356000+08:00 |
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報告委員，因為他現在232條款的調查還沒有結束…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-03T09:59:35.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-03T09:59:36.956000+08:00 |
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還在進行，對不對？對。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-03T09:59:36.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-03T09:59:52.227000+08:00 |
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他是說有可能在一個月或兩個月以後會對外公布，實際上的課稅，那時候才會出來，但是如果按照我們跟他簽的MOU協議，基本上可以豁免，就是我們半導體去那邊投資…… |
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0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-03-03T09:59:52.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-03T09:59:53.868000+08:00 |
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豁免至零嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-03T09:59:53.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:00.050000+08:00 |
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對，如果是在投資產值的配額之內是零。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:01.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:01.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
配額是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:01.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:02.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
報告委員，補充…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:02.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:03.930000+08:00 |
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現在就是還沒有最後確定。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:03.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:04.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
配額內…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:04.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:05.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
好，這個等一下我會問你。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:02.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:05.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
配額外是優惠稅率15%，屆時如果他公布的低於15%，我們MOU載明從其低。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:13.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:20.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
所以我們爭取到的是半導體、資通訊最惠待遇；而有關已經制定稅率的汽車零組件，是最惠待遇15%；航空零組件裡面的鋼鋁銅是豁免。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:20.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:24.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
好，我為什麼這樣子問的原因，剛剛前面很多委員都說過了，不管是農漁業或者是這些24%的，受到的衝擊影響，我覺得後續還是要去辦產業的說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:24.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-03T10:00:42.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我現在就半導體跟資通訊產業，現在在這邊它並不是完全的豁免，也不是完全的零。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-03T10:00:43.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-03T10:01:06.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
基本上來講，我是希望在你們未來臺美的MOU或是232儘量去避免，因為包含我們這裡頭的HS-code，如果你去查一下的話，8541、8542這大概沒什麼問題，但是後面的8532、8534，以及目前很多122條款裡頭像通訊設備、路由器等等，它寫的都是aircraft。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-03T10:01:08.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-03T10:01:23.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
所以在這一段期間，我們是希望未來……為什麼我剛剛一直講150天這樣子緩衝的期間，你要能夠把這樣子的談判，如果我們可以再往前進，能夠再更豁免、多一點的，我們當然就是要努力嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-03T10:01:23.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-03T10:01:38.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
對，報告委員，現在後續包括您剛才提232項目，我們跟美方之間在副院長主持之下，還是有跟他持續在視訊，針對哪些具體項目真的放到您剛才提到的這些豁免清單裡面。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-03T10:01:39.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-03T10:01:42.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
因為這個豁免清單要需要他的商務部審核以後公布，才會談。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
洪委員毓祥：為什麼我會這樣子問？我就跟廠商講 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-03T10:01:48.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-03T10:01:51.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
「來，你如果要出口報價的話。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
洪委員毓祥：為什麼我會這樣子問？我就跟廠商講 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-03T10:01:51.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-03T10:01:55.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
」他說：「我要從哪裡得知比較正確即時的資訊？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
洪委員毓祥：為什麼我會這樣子問？我就跟廠商講 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-03T10:01:55.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-03T10:01:58.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
」我說：「那你查經濟部囉，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
洪委員毓祥：為什麼我會這樣子問？我就跟廠商講 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-03T10:01:58.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-03T10:01:59.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
查財政部關務署看看！」 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-03T10:01:59.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:01.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
沒有，目前來講…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:01.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:03.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
可是我們上去查卻沒有喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:03.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:10.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
不是，目前如果是屬於ITA項目的話，目前報價就還是零關稅，目前是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:10.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:11.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
所以要等到…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:10.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:20.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
對嘛，我現在講的是查詢啦，在2月23號經濟部的資料……在2月20號就已經判定違法啦，所以你2月23號的新聞稿…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:20.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:21.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
沒有，沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:21.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:22.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
那不一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:21.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:21.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
它屬於232項目裡面，它是232的項目。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:21.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:26.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
所以我說這個資料內容要更新一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:26.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:31.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
目前在行政院經貿辦公室都有部會整合的資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:31.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:32.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
對，經貿辦公室都有。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:31.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:34.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
是不是容我用一點點時間跟委員報告一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:34.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:42.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
因為這次判決對於232條款下的優惠是沒有影響的，所以剛剛提到的幾個汽車零組件…… |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:42.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:47.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
那是要在整個把ART裡頭簽完，但現在還沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:47.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:48.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
資通訊現在是零。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:47.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-03T10:02:49.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
所以現在可以確定的就是122。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-03T10:02:50.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:02.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
沒有，資通訊、半導體現在是零，因為232稅率還沒有公布，如果232半導體稅率公布之後，我們就會適用最惠待遇：配額內零；配額外15%，以及…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:02.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:05.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
對，那個是半導體，我現在整個回到廠商來…… |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:05.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:06.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
不是，報告委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:05.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:10.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
我是希望廠商要查即時資料的時候，不要讓它一個一個部會查嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:12.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:14.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
對，委員提到的，我們有行政院整合的資訊窗口。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:14.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:15.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
這在行政院OTN的網站裡面有完整的資訊。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:15.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:19.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
對，所以我的意思是說來源分散，沒有即時更新嘛，那個資料不要有錯啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.69 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:20.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:21.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
委員關心是正確的，我們一定會整合資訊提供給廠商。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:21.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:22.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
我們會即時。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:21.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:26.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
不然你說AI行動內閣會掉漆啦，我的意思是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:26.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:28.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
不會啦，一定有整合的資訊給廠商。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.357 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:28.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:30.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
你說的喔，好，我以後慢慢看！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:30.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:36.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
而且最近也會展開系列的，跟我們進出口同業公會以及產業的說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:36.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:39.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
好，沒關係，因為我是念資工的，所以OK，你講的我都相信你會做到，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:39.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:40.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:39.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:41.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
做不到的話，我們就等質詢的時候再看。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:41.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:42.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:41.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:50.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
再來，台積電設廠，這個高階晶片的關稅還不是零嘛，就剛剛你們講的配額，是吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:50.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:51.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
我幫你…… |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:50.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:54.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
目前，因為半導體關稅還沒有真正制定…… |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:54.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:55.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
現在還是零。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:54.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:57.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
所以目前適用ITA的項目，基本上現在是零。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:57.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-03-03T10:03:58.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
對，現在適用ITA的項目是零。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-03T10:03:58.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-03T10:04:15.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
我知道，但是我現在是假設，因為你們常常號稱投資的協定ART是你最大的亮點，我現在如果放到你的MOU裡頭，所講的基本上就是你配額內晶片的課稅是零，額度外的是15%嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-03T10:04:17.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-03T10:04:22.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
最惠待遇，如果未來屆時公布的稅率低於15%就要從其低，所以我們確保的就是配額內零、配額外最惠待遇。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.558 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-03T10:04:22.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-03-03T10:04:26.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
好，沒關係，反正配額內免稅、配額外就走最惠國待遇，這個都清楚。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-03-03T10:04:27.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-03-03T10:04:53.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
我幫你算了一下，整個如果以台積電的製程，大概全球產能2024年是129億顆，輸美假設七成的話，大概差不多是90億，所以如果以亞利桑那州這個廠的話，看起來美製大概是15億顆左右，我粗估是這樣，然後如果按照它的配額算下來，大概就是37.5。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-03-03T10:04:53.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:10.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
所以兩邊扣下來之後，可能超過配額外的還是要去課稅，所以我大概估這個課稅是1,300億到4,800億左右，當然你說我們半導體競爭很強啊，所以關稅也不是我付…… |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-03-03T10:05:10.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:11.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
報告委員，不是這樣算法！ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-03-03T10:05:11.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:21.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
我們直接出口到美國半導體顆粒的部分不到10%，基本上它是在其他地方裝上AI server之後才賣到美國，那是另外算的。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-03-03T10:05:21.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:27.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
明白，我現在是說如果你隨著產能的增加，我現在是估一個最大量，假設是以這樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-03-03T10:05:27.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:42.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
報告委員，因為半導體的生態系有它的複雜性，晶片直接出口的比例是低的，所以我們談的是一個半導體及其衍生品，尤其所謂配額計算的基礎，會希望的是企業投資未來的投資計畫…… |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-03-03T10:05:42.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:45.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
這個我都清楚，我現在只是說如果這個產能上去的時候…… |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-03-03T10:05:45.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:46.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
現在這個產能的投資計畫，並不是用產能來計算…… |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-03-03T10:05:45.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:53.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
這個產能上去的時候，我的意思、想要表達是說整個生態鏈過去了，可不可以爭取到全部都是零，因為現在本來就是零啊！沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.863 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-03-03T10:05:53.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:56.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
沒有整個生態鏈，沒有，你講的是…… |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-03-03T10:05:56.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-03-03T10:05:59.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
你確定半導體沒有整個生態鏈過去？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:00.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:07.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
不是，ITA項目裡面，現在全世界都是零嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:07.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:13.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
但是美國232調查以後，所有的ITA項目去那邊就不會是零嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:13.198000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:17.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
好，最後還有一個問題，反正你的配額內跟配額外，1.5N跟2.5N，那個「N」是誰認定？ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君：報告委員，跟委員補充兩點 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:21.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:22.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
第一點，我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:22.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:23.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
你先回答我那個「N」是誰認定？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:25.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:26.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
美國廠的產能，誰認定？ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:27.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:28.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
臺灣認定？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:29.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:29.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
台積電認定？ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:29.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:30.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
還是美國政府認定？ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:31.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:37.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
我們的投資計畫是企業自主，所以由企業決定它對美投資的計畫…… |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:37.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:37.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
來、來，針對問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:37.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:38.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
委員，每一個國家…… |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:38.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:41.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
你們上面寫的1.5N、2.5N，那個N是誰認定？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:42.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:48.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
現在要跟委員報告，每個國家有他本來的投審計畫，我國也有…… |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:48.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-03-03T10:06:51.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
我們不要投審，我現在是講N，美國產能的N是誰認定？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-03-03T10:06:53.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:00.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
這個會跟商務部，每個企業的投資計畫是跟商務部來協商，政府也會參與協商的機制…… |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:00.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:05.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
好，我當然會追這件事情，我希望那個N的協定不是美國說了算。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:05.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:08.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
政府也會參與，所以我們目前會建立G to G的協商，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.52 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:08.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:12.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
我跟委員再補充報告第二點，這個協商除了取得優惠以外…… |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:12.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:13.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
沒關係，我時間來不及了…… |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:12.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:13.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
還要協商我們企業設廠營運…… |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:13.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:14.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
20兆的投資，我是覺得還可以再去降低一點…… |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:13.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:21.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
它需要的原物料、設備、零組件要取得豁免，所以我們要協商兩個標的…… |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:22.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:29.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
所以我覺得可能20兆的投資金額，這些東西可以再少一點，這個是你們要去努力的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:30.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:31.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
委員，不能這樣計算。 |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:31.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:33.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
廠商自主，他有他的需求、有定額…… |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:34.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:39.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
廠商自主，這個投資信保也是一個騙局，加上2,500億的信保，你們的投資都說只有2,500億，但事實上是超過的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:39.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:40.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
上限2,500億融資，在MOU寫明是…… |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:40.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:47.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
報告委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:47.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:52.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
不是嘛，我說整個投資金額絕對不是只有2,500億，一定是七千多億嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:52.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:55.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
2,500億是企業自主的投資，不是政府的出資。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:55.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:56.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
對，那個是企業自主投資…… |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:56.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:57.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
好啦，我不是跟你吵數學，數學我都寫在那邊了，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:57.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:58.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
數學公式好好去看一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:57.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:58.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
報告委員，我們的企業從美國一年的…… |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:58.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-03-03T10:07:59.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
來，最後我想簡單問，因為我只剩19秒。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-03-03T10:07:59.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:16.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
我們半導體整個長遠可能要去防止它的資金、技術、人才被掏空，再來最後一個就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:16.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:17.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
不會啦，您是產業專家…… |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:17.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:23.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
這個我覺得蠻嚴重的，為什麼在川普眼中臺灣是小偷，要不要去抗議？ |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:23.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:25.905700+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
臺灣不是小偷，不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:25.905700+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:28.154400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
那你沒有去抗議啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:28.154400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:30.403100+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
這是我們的共識，我有對外說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:30.403100+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:32.651800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
我們談判中都有向美方說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:32.651800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:34.900500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
我們是產業非常努力的自主研發發展…… |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:34.900500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:37.149200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
發發新聞稿，去跟美國抗議啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
鄭副院長麗君 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:37.149200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:39.397900+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
我們已經都跟美方溝通…… |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:39.397900+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:41.646600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
就去紐時、去CNN登廣告啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:41.646600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:43.895300+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
我希望委員跟我們一起來支持產業，臺灣產業的自主研發發展是很重要的，一定會根留臺灣。 |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:43.895300+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:46.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
這是我們的共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:46.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:47.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
謝謝洪委員，也謝謝卓院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-03-03T10:08:48.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-03-03T10:08:51.060429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
下一位請蔡易餘委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0 |